[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Fire Service Inlet

[Kyle Hensel]

Hi, voting has started for Fire Service Inlet

https://wiki.osm.org/Proposal_features/Building_inlet



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Re: [Tagging] drones

[stevea]

There are also perhaps-related endeavors like ODM on mapscaping.com [1], at 
least one related video [2], a software repository [3], a cloud-based 
imagery-processing app [4], Site Scan for ArcGIS [5] and more, including people 
who have created businesses to provide "drone services" like flyovers for video 
advertisements by real estate agents, for example.

So, it's a "happening domain" in the mapping world.  Maybe OSM wants to guide 
some sane tagging in our data, maybe, as I suggested in my previous post, there 
are "other aeronautical charts" (which exist today or might be created in a 
near-future) which are better sources (than OSM) for these data.

Again, I'll say this isn't a small nor simple endeavor; I'd say it'd be a fair 
bit of effort to get a lot of heads nodding together in a year or two, but it 
seems to me it could be done.  Interesting question to toss out here, 
Anne-Karoline.

[1] https://mapscaping.com/podcast/open-drone-map
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So3oE8ACbNY
[3] https://github.com/OpenDroneMap
[4] https://www.opendronemap.org/cloudodm
[5] https://www.esri.com/site-scan/arcgis
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Re: [Tagging] drones

[stevea]

I'm not saying a key like drone=* (as a "verb," like "to drone here, whether or 
not...?") is or isn't a good fit for OSM.  I am wondering if it is a good fit, 
I honestly don't know.  The number of 
fuzzy-hanging-off-into-infinity-of-details-ever-changing-laws-and-rules-regarding-weight-and-one-million-other-little-things
 boggles my mind, but I could imagine something gets shoehorned into an OSM tag 
(-ging scheme), if one was really insistent upon doing this.

It is an "odd" fit, though.  There are places you are not allowed to 
hang-glide, paraglide or pilot other aircraft, but (as a pilot of such craft) 
it is up to me to know how, where and whether I might fly in any given 
location.  Same with drones.  I wouldn't expect OSM to tell me definitively one 
way or another whether I should or shouldn't, it simply doesn't seem like the 
correct database in which I'd reach as the first place to look for such 
guidance.  But, I don't want to stand in the way of "progress," if that's what 
someone wants to do.  Good luck.  It seems complicated, but I suppose "if you 
build it they will come."  A good match (key, tagging scheme) for OSM?  I don't 
know.
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Re: [Tagging] drones

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Here are the Australian rules:
https://www.casa.gov.au/knowyourdrone/drone-rules

They're more a matter of saying No, you can't, rather than Yes, you can!

I don't think that it would work in OSM?

Thanks

Graeme


On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 at 04:10, Craig Wallace  wrote:

> On 2023-02-10 11:43, Anne-Karoline Distel wrote:
>
> What do people think about a key like drone? I'm thinking of heritage
> sites/ tourist attractions, of course. I noticed on a Welsh heritage site
> that they had an icon for all the amenities and permissions, and they had
> one for "Drones not allowed". Obviously, we could add drone=no to every
> airport as well, but that's not my main concern.
>
> In Ireland, drones are not allowed over Office of Public Works sites,
> unless you're the photographer for the National Monuments Service. Or maybe
> an archaeologist with special license for a dig. But as a drone pilot, you
> might not know whether a site is OPW or not.
>
> I don't have a drone myself, I'm just not sure if this would be useful or
> not. There are 9 uses so far
> .
>
> Note the rules for drones may depend on whether you are taking
> off/landing, or just flying it over.
> eg in the UK, the landowner could ban you from using a drone while on
> their land. But you could stand outside their land, and fly it above
> (assuming you follow the other rules for line of sight, and keeping away
> from people etc).
>
> Whereas airports have specific laws, which ban you from flying above them.
> Or within 5km of the airport.
>
> And may also depend on the type/size of drone. eg less restrictions if it
> weighs less than 250g.
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Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - landcover proposal V2

[Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging]

Or to be more specific solved problems, if any, are much smaller than size 
of change of longstanding tagging practices.

Deprecation of old-style multipolygons was also change of
"longstanding tagging practices" but much smaller in scope and with much 
greater benefits.

I listed some obvious issues at the talk page, but in general to start process 
of 
replacing natural=water you would need really good arguments.


Feb 10, 2023, 19:16 by zelonew...@gmail.com:

> This is a change to longstanding tagging practices and is therefore dead on 
> arrival.
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2023, 11:33 AM Cartographer10 via Tagging <> 
> tagging@openstreetmap.org> > wrote:
>
>> Tjuro and I started a proposal to formalize the usage of `landcover=*`. The 
>> proposal is now open for feedback 
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landcover_proposal_V2
>>
>> Please discuss this proposal on its Wiki Talk page.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> VIncent
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Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - landcover proposal V2

[Brian M. Sperlongano]

This is a change to longstanding tagging practices and is therefore dead on
arrival.

On Fri, Feb 10, 2023, 11:33 AM Cartographer10 via Tagging <
tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> Tjuro and I started a proposal to formalize the usage of `landcover=*`.
> The proposal is now open for feedback
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landcover_proposal_V2
>
> Please discuss this proposal on its Wiki Talk page.
>
> Kind regards,
> VIncent
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Re: [Tagging] drones

[Craig Wallace]

On 2023-02-10 11:43, Anne-Karoline Distel wrote:


What do people think about a key like drone? I'm thinking of heritage 
sites/ tourist attractions, of course. I noticed on a Welsh heritage 
site that they had an icon for all the amenities and permissions, and 
they had one for "Drones not allowed". Obviously, we could add 
drone=no to every airport as well, but that's not my main concern.


In Ireland, drones are not allowed over Office of Public Works sites, 
unless you're the photographer for the National Monuments Service. Or 
maybe an archaeologist with special license for a dig. But as a drone 
pilot, you might not know whether a site is OPW or not.


I don't have a drone myself, I'm just not sure if this would be useful 
or not. There are 9 uses so far 
.


Note the rules for drones may depend on whether you are taking 
off/landing, or just flying it over.
eg in the UK, the landowner could ban you from using a drone while on 
their land. But you could stand outside their land, and fly it above 
(assuming you follow the other rules for line of sight, and keeping away 
from people etc).


Whereas airports have specific laws, which ban you from flying above 
them. Or within 5km of the airport.


And may also depend on the type/size of drone. eg less restrictions if 
it weighs less than 250g.
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[Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - landcover proposal V2

[Cartographer10 via Tagging]

Tjuro and I started a proposal to formalize the usage of `landcover=*`. The 
proposal is now open for feedback 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landcover_proposal_V2

Please discuss this proposal on its Wiki Talk page.

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Re: [Tagging] drones

[Lukas-458]

Hmm, well, I don't know, I guess there will be specific laws in each country about where you are allowed and aren't allowed to fly drones, right?

 


Well, if it is explicitly signposted as not allowed, you could of course map it, but only where it really says so on site, I think.

 

-- Lukas

 

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What do people think about a key like drone? I'm thinking of heritage sites/ tourist attractions, of course. I noticed on a Welsh heritage site that they had an icon for all the amenities and permissions, and they had one for "Drones not allowed". Obviously, we could add drone=no to every airport as well, but that's not my main concern.

In Ireland, drones are not allowed over Office of Public Works sites, unless you're the photographer for the National Monuments Service. Or maybe an archaeologist with special license for a dig. But as a drone pilot, you might not know whether a site is OPW or not.

I don't have a drone myself, I'm just not sure if this would be useful or not. There are 9 uses so far.

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[Tagging] drones

[Anne-Karoline Distel]

What do people think about a key like drone? I'm thinking of heritage
sites/ tourist attractions, of course. I noticed on a Welsh heritage
site that they had an icon for all the amenities and permissions, and
they had one for "Drones not allowed". Obviously, we could add drone=no
to every airport as well, but that's not my main concern.

In Ireland, drones are not allowed over Office of Public Works sites,
unless you're the photographer for the National Monuments Service. Or
maybe an archaeologist with special license for a dig. But as a drone
pilot, you might not know whether a site is OPW or not.

I don't have a drone myself, I'm just not sure if this would be useful
or not. There are 9 uses so far
.

Anne
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[Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - showground (2)

[Alexander Kane]

The proposal for a new tag `amenity=showground` is now open for comments:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/showground_(2)

This proposal attempts to fill a void for facilities which are essentially
an open field to host event (typically with tents, temporary attractions,
etc) This was inspired by a conversation on the forums:
https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/how-to-tag-fairgrounds/8539
I look forward to your comments.

Have a nice day,
Alex (popball)
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