Re: [Tagging] Center Turn Lane Tagging?
I'm at a loss to remember where I saw this, though, it looked like your standard American both-way left turn lane, though it had an additional token set of orange dots down the middle. Most drivers would cross over the nearest lane to the lane adjacent to oncoming traffic to be able to see their turn. It was a particularly wide boulevard. On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: On Jul 20, 2014, at 7:42 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: What if there's more than one lane that's both ways allowing left turns? I've actually seen this, and the centre_turn_lane thing breaks down in such a case. I don't recall seeing that and am having a hard time imagining how it would look on the ground. Is there a location I could see this either on a satellite view or street view? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Center Turn Lane Tagging?
Just tag it as the both_ways model; unless I'm missing something. NE2 is good at finding minutae, but often finds poor ways to tag things in a consistent manner (most glaringly, a mass retag of all US highways as trunk instead of primary, even when undivided). On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 8:15 PM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:centre_turn_lane ? This is what I've been using. -James -- Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 18:11:11 -0500 From: ba...@ursamundi.org To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] Center Turn Lane Tagging? lanes:both_ways=1 turn:lanes:both_ways=left On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: The only reference to a likely center turn lane tagging I can find is lanes:both_ways= , with a count of only 605 occurrences. Since there are over 22000 turn:lanes:forward , is the center turn lane generally untagged, or is there a better tag than lanes:both_ways? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Center Turn Lane Tagging?
Am 20.07.2014 01:11, schrieb Paul Johnson: On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net mailto:nice...@att.net wrote: The only reference to a likely center turn lane tagging I can find is lanes:both_ways= , with a count of only 605 occurrences. Since there are over 22000 turn:lanes:forward , is the center turn lane generally untagged, or is there a better tag than lanes:both_ways? lanes:both_ways=1 turn:lanes:both_ways=left Well, both_ways, was only a proposal and was even not included in style and preset for a long time. Both still do not support it completely. I have to say, that I did cheat a bit and did count forbidden middle lanes to one direction, so far, which might be another reason for low numbers. Reworking the preset is on my TODO list but I have difficulties to include all tags in a practical way without inflating it even further and it already does hardly fit on small screens. As I personally mostly use the style and only need the preset for auto completion, e.g. I am not familiar in terms of usability and would be happy about some comments and/or suggestions. Cheers fly ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Center Turn Lane Tagging?
I personally think that 'centre_turn_lane=yes' is a good tag. It cuts down on a ton of extra tags where that might be confusing to new and experienced users. Plus, this way you shouldn't need to add an extra 'lane' to the lane count, making routers think there's more lanes that aren't really 'used' that often unlike a dedicated turn lane for one direction at an intersection where it is important. Seriously, isn't this simpler, centre_turn_lane=yes lanes=2 than this for Center Turn Lanes? lanes=3 lanes:both_ways=1turn:lanes:both_ways=left Simpler, and to the point my example. All the routers would have to do is tell the user to enter the 'Center Turn Lane' to make their left (or right in England) turn when the way has that tag. Especially with highway signs all around calling it a 'Center Turn Lane'. It's just common sense here. I mean, if you really want to we could count the lane in the lane counts, but the 2nd example doesn't fully work since sometimes, you do need that lane to turn 'right' and get into the main lanes when coming out of a business if there is heavy traffic going the way you need to go. I know some states frown on doing that, but most understand that needs to be done sometimes. And another note here, I don't think you should really be attacking people here on-list when they can't defend themselves, Paul. It just isn't right and not fair. -James Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 01:13:18 -0500 From: ba...@ursamundi.org To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] Center Turn Lane Tagging? Just tag it as the both_ways model; unless I'm missing something. NE2 is good at finding minutae, but often finds poor ways to tag things in a consistent manner (most glaringly, a mass retag of all US highways as trunk instead of primary, even when undivided). On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 8:15 PM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:centre_turn_lane ? This is what I've been using. -James Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 18:11:11 -0500 From: ba...@ursamundi.org To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] Center Turn Lane Tagging? lanes:both_ways=1turn:lanes:both_ways=left On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: The only reference to a likely center turn lane tagging I can find is lanes:both_ways= , with a count of only 605 occurrences. Since there are over 22000 turn:lanes:forward , is the center turn lane generally untagged, or is there a better tag than lanes:both_ways? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Center Turn Lane Tagging?
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 9:22 PM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote: personally think that 'centre_turn_lane=yes' is a good tag. It cuts down on a ton of extra tags where that might be confusing to new and experienced users. Plus, this way you shouldn't need to add an extra 'lane' to the lane count, making routers think there's more lanes that aren't really 'used' that often unlike a dedicated turn lane for one direction at an intersection where it is important. Seriously, isn't this simpler, centre_turn_lane=yes lanes=2 than this for Center Turn Lanes? lanes=3 lanes:both_ways=1 turn:lanes:both_ways=left What if there's more than one lane that's both ways allowing left turns? I've actually seen this, and the centre_turn_lane thing breaks down in such a case. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Center Turn Lane Tagging?
On Jul 20, 2014, at 7:42 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: What if there's more than one lane that's both ways allowing left turns? I've actually seen this, and the centre_turn_lane thing breaks down in such a case. I don't recall seeing that and am having a hard time imagining how it would look on the ground. Is there a location I could see this either on a satellite view or street view? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Center Turn Lane Tagging?
The only reference to a likely center turn lane tagging I can find is lanes:both_ways= , with a count of only 605 occurrences. Since there are over 22000 turn:lanes:forward , is the center turn lane generally untagged, or is there a better tag than lanes:both_ways? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Center Turn Lane Tagging?
lanes:both_ways=1 turn:lanes:both_ways=left On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: The only reference to a likely center turn lane tagging I can find is lanes:both_ways= , with a count of only 605 occurrences. Since there are over 22000 turn:lanes:forward , is the center turn lane generally untagged, or is there a better tag than lanes:both_ways? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Center Turn Lane Tagging?
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:centre_turn_lane ? This is what I've been using. -James Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 18:11:11 -0500 From: ba...@ursamundi.org To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] Center Turn Lane Tagging? lanes:both_ways=1turn:lanes:both_ways=left On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: The only reference to a likely center turn lane tagging I can find is lanes:both_ways= , with a count of only 605 occurrences. Since there are over 22000 turn:lanes:forward , is the center turn lane generally untagged, or is there a better tag than lanes:both_ways? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
