Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Haul Channel
How about this: A road with a private frequency of 154.635 and a squelch tone of 156.7 Frequency= 154.635 MHz Frequency:squelch= 156.7 Hz A road with that uses CB channel 5 Frequency= 27.015 MHz Frequency:channel: CB 5 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Haul Channel
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:01 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/03/2015 7:57 PM, Steve Doerr wrote: On 12/03/2015 05:49, Warin wrote: On 11/03/2015 4:06 AM, Sam Dyck wrote: In Canada, privately licensed frequencies, not CB Humm Why call it a 'channel'? And not 'frequency? Might reduce confusion with CB radio channels? And why 'haul'? I'm actually having no success finding examples of the phrase 'haul channel' in actual use via Google. Is it short for 'long-haul channel' or something? Think it comes from the term 'haul road' . a road built to haul stuff a long to a job site. Is there a better term than 'haul' that is used to describe such roads? Winter roads. Surprisingly common in the American and Canadian arctic, though I have no doubt it has significance in other Arctic circle countries as well, and probably a rare example of where a road might be on a body of water without any sort of bridge or ford at all on the map. Also rather amusing to be following such a road on the map up a river and discover that the photo was taken during the summer as evidenced by a power boat towing a water ski (still that just *had* to be cold! We are talking a waterway that drains to the Arctic ocean after all!) down it! ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Haul Channel
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: The problem with frequency=XXX.XXX MHz is that many people known only the channels (e.g 9). And it's not just frequency, it's encoding (GMRS/CB/etc) Well, AM/FM/USB/LSB/CW... a CB with FM capability and a tuner that'll wind up into it can do GMRS. FRS overlaps 7 channels on GMRS. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Haul Channel
The problem with frequency=XXX.XXX MHz is that many people known only the channels (e.g 9). And it's not just frequency, it's encoding (GMRS/CB/etc) On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Sam Dyck samueld...@gmail.com wrote: Could the road be given property tags; tag haul_road=yes frequency= as per http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:frequency ? or a single property tag; frequency:haul_road= then use the same value system as key:frequency? That may make the meaning clear? As duplexing is not used you don't need to stipulate it. Haul channel is just the term I've heard used, the channel 9 I reference on the wiki is used on an actual road where it refers to 154.635 MHz. I'm not sure about the term haul_road. Given the ambiguity of the term (Isn't every road with truck traffic a haul road?) would it make more sense to just use frequency=XXX.XXX MHz on any road where applicable? This would eleminate the need for new tags. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Haul Channel
Could the road be given property tags; tag haul_road=yes frequency= as per http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:frequency ? or a single property tag; frequency:haul_road= then use the same value system as key:frequency? That may make the meaning clear? As duplexing is not used you don't need to stipulate it. Haul channel is just the term I've heard used, the channel 9 I reference on the wiki is used on an actual road where it refers to 154.635 MHz. I'm not sure about the term haul_road. Given the ambiguity of the term (Isn't every road with truck traffic a haul road?) would it make more sense to just use frequency=XXX.XXX MHz on any road where applicable? This would eleminate the need for new tags. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Haul Channel
On 12/03/2015 05:49, Warin wrote: On 11/03/2015 4:06 AM, Sam Dyck wrote: In Canada, privately licensed frequencies, not CB Humm Why call it a 'channel'? And not 'frequency? Might reduce confusion with CB radio channels? And why 'haul'? I'm actually having no success finding examples of the phrase 'haul channel' in actual use via Google. Is it short for 'long-haul channel' or something? -- Steve --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Haul Channel
On 12/03/2015 7:57 PM, Steve Doerr wrote: On 12/03/2015 05:49, Warin wrote: On 11/03/2015 4:06 AM, Sam Dyck wrote: In Canada, privately licensed frequencies, not CB Humm Why call it a 'channel'? And not 'frequency? Might reduce confusion with CB radio channels? And why 'haul'? I'm actually having no success finding examples of the phrase 'haul channel' in actual use via Google. Is it short for 'long-haul channel' or something? Think it comes from the term 'haul road' . a road built to haul stuff a long to a job site. Is there a better term than 'haul' that is used to describe such roads? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Haul Channel
On 12/03/2015 7:57 PM, Steve Doerr wrote: On 12/03/2015 05:49, Warin wrote: On 11/03/2015 4:06 AM, Sam Dyck wrote: In Canada, privately licensed frequencies, not CB Humm Why call it a 'channel'? And not 'frequency? Might reduce confusion with CB radio channels? And why 'haul'? I'm actually having no success finding examples of the phrase 'haul channel' in actual use via Google. Is it short for 'long-haul channel' or something? Could the road be given property tags; tag haul_road=yes frequency= as per http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:frequency ? or a single property tag; frequency:haul_road= then use the same value system as key:frequency? That may make the meaning clear? As duplexing is not used you don't need to stipulate it. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Haul Channel
On 11/03/2015 4:06 AM, Sam Dyck wrote: In Canada, privately licensed frequencies, not CB are used that have to be programmed into the scanner. There may or may not be repeaters, but since you only need to communicate with the traffic nearby it doesn't matter (there's no point in know that there is a truck moving 20km up the road. The system does not excuse bad driving, nor does it replace a satellite phone. What I assume Warin is talking about is extremely remote tracks with extremely low traffic, but the roads I'm referring to are logging or winter roads, which are remote, narrow and have heavy equipment moving down them at times (but at other times are empty) In my part of Canada such roads are open to the public and often accommodate different groups of people with different vehicles (everything from tractor trailers to long distance runners) Ok.. so the tagging would be usefull for visitors to listen in to any transmissions (probably only the large transports using it). Using a scanner means they cannot transmit back. So the communication is receive only for the public. It would not provide emergency contact for the public unless a vehicle equipped with a transceiver happens along. I don't think this is in use in Australia .. 'we' tend to use the CB radio as that allows most people to not only listen but respond also. The CB radios tend to be cheaper, less restrictive/costly licensing. They are used for local traffic details .. you don't want to be cresting a sand dune with on coming traffic! For remote locations, Australia has the 'Royal Flying Doctor Service' radio ... those can be hired (or purchased) and used in remote areas, they don't provide road information but are for emergency contact, most people are changing over to satellite phone for direct contact rather than through the RFDS. What other parts of the world do you think might use this Canadian method? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Haul Channel
On 11/03/2015 4:06 AM, Sam Dyck wrote: In Canada, privately licensed frequencies, not CB Humm Why call it a 'channel'? And not 'frequency? Might reduce confusion with CB radio channels? thus haul_frequency=* haul_frequency:transmit=* haul_frequency:receive=* Channel 9 is a CB radio thing ... used for conversations There is a list of them here http://www.exploroz.com/Vehicle/Accessories/UHFRadio.aspx I'd think the trucking companies there would have CB radios fitted .. so they can contact people on the road .. not just their own trucks. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Haul Channel
In Canada, privately licensed frequencies, not CB are used that have to be programmed into the scanner. There may or may not be repeaters, but since you only need to communicate with the traffic nearby it doesn't matter (there's no point in know that there is a truck moving 20km up the road. The system does not excuse bad driving, nor does it replace a satellite phone. What I assume Warin is talking about is extremely remote tracks with extremely low traffic, but the roads I'm referring to are logging or winter roads, which are remote, narrow and have heavy equipment moving down them at times (but at other times are empty) In my part of Canada such roads are open to the public and often accommodate different groups of people with different vehicles (everything from tractor trailers to long distance runners) Here is an example of a sign in BC that mercifully gives the frequency: http://valchev.net/peter/trips/bugaboos2013/.slide_20130725-130610.jpg This one, put up by the same agency has no indication of what frequency and just assumes you know what you're doing: http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd145/tamlog/20071009MatthewCreek/PA097831.jpg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Haul Channel
Not sure what problem this is trying to solve. US CB usage doesn't do offsets for transmit and receive typically (some radios can do it but it's not within the US spec), and local company specific usage is typically well-signposted in an obvious location as necessary, with the de facto running channels being generally 19, or if it's a high traffic area like a major city, 17 for north/south and 19 for east/west; whatever's noisiest is probably the local's channel if it's not 4 or 6 (which tend to often get used to shoot skip when conditions are right). On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 11:07 PM, Sam Dyck samueld...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings This is an RFC for my proposal, which can be found at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Haul_Channel Thanks Sam ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Haul Channel
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: It's not clear to me which object you are tagging: the highway (osm-way) or an area or a node where the frequency is mentioned on a sign or ... The proposal says tagging a way .. so along the road. missed that, sorry. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Haul Channel
Hallo Sam, It's not clear to me which object you are tagging: the highway (osm-way) or an area or a node where the frequency is mentioned on a sign or ... regards m On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 5:07 AM, Sam Dyck samueld...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings This is an RFC for my proposal, which can be found at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Haul_Channel Thanks Sam ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Haul Channel
On 10/03/2015 3:21 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: Hallo Sam, It's not clear to me which object you are tagging: the highway (osm-way) or an area or a node where the frequency is mentioned on a sign or ... The proposal says tagging a way .. so along the road. regards m Here in Australia .. the frequency is not normally stated .. they use a channel number .. That is normally what the CB units indicate on here controls, not frequency? there is a protocol here .. http://www.southaustralia.com/media/documents/regions/tracks_and_repeater_1910_4wd_A4_web.pdf Most of the commercial maps simply place the repeater towers on the map. Note that deaths have occurred, and will continue to occur on Australian 'outback' roads. Depending on a simple CB radio is not enough.. http://www.lakeeyreyc.com/coroner.html Get an EPIRB/PLB for emergency use if you traverse remote areas. On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 5:07 AM, Sam Dyck samueld...@gmail.com mailto:samueld...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings This is an RFC for my proposal, which can be found at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Haul_Channel Thanks Sam ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Haul Channel
Greetings This is an RFC for my proposal, which can be found at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Haul_Channel Thanks Sam ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
