Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Am So., 20. Dez. 2020 um 17:13 Uhr schrieb Volker Schmidt :

> Martin, the former ones (
> http://www.valsassinanews.com/image/original/12663.jpg )  are "tables" (
> traffic_calming=table)  in OSM-speak - see
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:traffic_calming.
> 
>
> I was referring to the latter ones as sausage-shaped.
>


right. Do you agree there are suspiciously often missing sections at
positions where it is convenient for all 2-wheeled vehicles that they are
missing? Do you think they are missing from the beginning, or someone
removes them after they have been put?

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

[Paul Allen]

On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 16:11, Peter Neale via Tagging <
tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> I agree. To be called a "pillow", it would have to be soft and not rigid.
> IIRC there are traffic calming "pillows" that are filled with air and
> deflate, if you drive over them slowly, but remain inflated, if you drive
> over at speed.  I regret that I cannot find a reference to them at the
> moment.
>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_bump#Dynamic_speed_bumps

Not what you were thinking of, but achieving the same end (the effect
depends on the speed of the vehicle):
https://www.matfoundrygroup.com/News%20and%20Blog/The_Future_of_Roads_Liquid_Speed_Bumps

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

[Volker Schmidt]

Martin, the former ones (
http://www.valsassinanews.com/image/original/12663.jpg )  are "tables" (
traffic_calming=table)  in OSM-speak - see
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:traffic_calming.


I was referring to the latter ones as sausage-shaped.

On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 17:02, Martin Koppenhoefer 
wrote:

> Am So., 20. Dez. 2020 um 16:11 Uhr schrieb Niels Elgaard Larsen <
> elga...@agol.dk>:
>
>> Martin Koppenhoefer:
>> > I thought they would make people drive slower, while retaining a
>> possibility for
>> > bicycles to pass in between.
>>
>> That is what the proposal says. But there is no way a bicycle could pass
>> between
>> those seen on the proposal page at anything near normal bicycling speed.
>
>
>
>
> in Italy common bumps are like these:
> http://www.valsassinanews.com/image/original/12663.jpg
> which do not pose a problem to cyclists at bicycle speed.
>
> and there are variations of these:
>
> http://www.terminalmilazzo.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/dosso-artificiale-300x169.jpg
> where quite often you can be lucky and one segment, to pass through by
> bike, is missing for reason or the other.
>
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

[Peter Neale via Tagging]

I agree. To be called a "pillow", it would have to be soft and not rigid.  IIRC 
there are traffic calming "pillows" that are filled with air and deflate, if 
you drive over them slowly, but remain inflated, if you drive over at speed.  I 
regret that I cannot find a reference to them at the moment.
That is not what these seem to be.
"Deceleration Dots" / "Traffic Calming Dots" ??? 
Having said all that, someone seems to think that "speed cushions" can be made 
of concrete, despite "cushions" in normal GB English being just as soft as 
"pillows"  (Cushions on the sofa; pillows on the bed)
https://www.trafficchoices.co.uk/traffic-schemes/speed-cushions.shtml

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>On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 14:55, <80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru> wrote:

>> traffic calming device often used in *Czech republic*
>>
>> I found this;
>> https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zpomalovac%C3%AD_pr%C3%A1h
>>
>> ><https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zpomalovac%C3%AD_pr%C3%A1h#/media/Soubor:Zpomalovac%C3%AD_pol%C5%A1t%C3%A1%C5%99e.jpg>
>>
>> Zpomalovací polštáře, = english, Deceleration pillows
>>

>"Pillow" in English would not be associated with that shape and
>rigidity.  This is a pillow:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Average_White_Pillow.jpg

>I doubt any English speaker would look at one of those devices and
>describe it as a pillow.

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Am So., 20. Dez. 2020 um 16:11 Uhr schrieb Niels Elgaard Larsen <
elga...@agol.dk>:

> Martin Koppenhoefer:
> > I thought they would make people drive slower, while retaining a
> possibility for
> > bicycles to pass in between.
>
> That is what the proposal says. But there is no way a bicycle could pass
> between
> those seen on the proposal page at anything near normal bicycling speed.




in Italy common bumps are like these:
http://www.valsassinanews.com/image/original/12663.jpg
which do not pose a problem to cyclists at bicycle speed.

and there are variations of these:
http://www.terminalmilazzo.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/dosso-artificiale-300x169.jpg
where quite often you can be lucky and one segment, to pass through by
bike, is missing for reason or the other.

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

[Volker Schmidt]

These objects need a new tag, not  a sub-tag of traffic_calming=bump (220k
uses), for the simple reason that it has a different effect on the road
users.
I have myself tagged many such sausage-shaped bumps with
traffic_calming=bump and no sub-tag. They slow down every vehicle, but are
not as particularly nasty to cyclists and, probably, motor cyclists as the
ones in the sample pictures.
If you were to create a sub-tag for the new ones, we would need to add a
dìfferent sub-tag to all the existing occurrences of .

Concerning the tagging:
If they are used only in a few countries, then we may want to use the term
used in one of these country, if  there is no British English term
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

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On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 10:11, Niels Elgaard Larsen  wrote:

> Martin Koppenhoefer:
> >
> >
> > sent from a phone
> >
> >> On 19. Dec 2020, at 23:27, Brian M. Sperlongano 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I understand that the purpose of them is simply to make noise when a
> car drives
> >> over them, as they don't slow you down in any appreciable way like a
> speed bump/hump.
> >
> >
> > I thought they would make people drive slower, while retaining a
> possibility for
> > bicycles to pass in between.
>
> That is what the proposal says. But there is no way a bicycle could pass
> between
> those seen on the proposal page at anything near normal bicycling speed.
>
> If you want to allow bicycle
>
> In Denmark we have a larger version of round speed bumps. Usually only 2
> or three in
> each direction.
>
>
> https://aarhus.lokalavisen.dk/aarhus_midt/2dzeno-Carsten-Hedegaard-Simonsen-kigger-ned-p%C3%A5-vejbump/alternates/LANDSCAPE_640/Carsten%20Hedegaard%20Simonsen%20kigger%20ned%20p%C3%A5%20vejbump
>
> They are named "pukkelbump" which translates as hump bumps.
>
> More informally they are called turtle bumps.
>
> So maybe we should call them hedgehog bumps and turtle bumps.
>
Maybe something a bit less 'literary' such as "=dome_array" or
"=rumble_domes" for the small ones and "=dome_bumps" for the larger
depending on whether you would expect them to alert the driver by vibration
or an abrupt bounce?

>
> > I guess these would be counted in?
> > https://www.durabump.com/ 
> >
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

[Tomáš Hurýn]

Thank you for the example. This could be another specific calming device - I 
really want the be notified by navigation when I ride motorbike 

20. prosince 2020 16:08:35 SEČ, Niels Elgaard Larsen  napsal:
>Martin Koppenhoefer:
>> 
>> 
>> sent from a phone
>> 
>>> On 19. Dec 2020, at 23:27, Brian M. Sperlongano
> wrote:
>>>
>>> I understand that the purpose of them is simply to make noise when a
>car drives 
>>> over them, as they don't slow you down in any appreciable way like a
>speed bump/hump.
>> 
>> 
>> I thought they would make people drive slower, while retaining a
>possibility for 
>> bicycles to pass in between.
>
>That is what the proposal says. But there is no way a bicycle could
>pass between 
>those seen on the proposal page at anything near normal bicycling
>speed.
>
>If you want to allow bicycle
>
>In Denmark we have a larger version of round speed bumps. Usually only
>2 or three in 
>each direction.
>
>https://aarhus.lokalavisen.dk/aarhus_midt/2dzeno-Carsten-Hedegaard-Simonsen-kigger-ned-p%C3%A5-vejbump/alternates/LANDSCAPE_640/Carsten%20Hedegaard%20Simonsen%20kigger%20ned%20p%C3%A5%20vejbump
>
>They are named "pukkelbump" which translates as hump bumps.
>
>More informally they are called turtle bumps.
>
>So maybe we should call them hedgehog bumps and turtle bumps.
>
>> I guess these would be counted in?
>> https://www.durabump.com/ 
>> 
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

[Paul Allen]

On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 14:55, <80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru> wrote:

> traffic calming device often used in *Czech republic*
>
> I found this;
> https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zpomalovac%C3%AD_pr%C3%A1h
>
> 
>
> Zpomalovací polštáře, = english, Deceleration pillows
>

"Pillow" in English would not be associated with that shape and
rigidity.  This is a pillow:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Average_White_Pillow.jpg

I doubt any English speaker would look at one of those devices and
describe it as a pillow.

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

[Niels Elgaard Larsen]

Martin Koppenhoefer:



sent from a phone


On 19. Dec 2020, at 23:27, Brian M. Sperlongano  wrote:

I understand that the purpose of them is simply to make noise when a car drives 
over them, as they don't slow you down in any appreciable way like a speed bump/hump.



I thought they would make people drive slower, while retaining a possibility for 
bicycles to pass in between.


That is what the proposal says. But there is no way a bicycle could pass between 
those seen on the proposal page at anything near normal bicycling speed.


If you want to allow bicycle

In Denmark we have a larger version of round speed bumps. Usually only 2 or three in 
each direction.


https://aarhus.lokalavisen.dk/aarhus_midt/2dzeno-Carsten-Hedegaard-Simonsen-kigger-ned-p%C3%A5-vejbump/alternates/LANDSCAPE_640/Carsten%20Hedegaard%20Simonsen%20kigger%20ned%20p%C3%A5%20vejbump

They are named "pukkelbump" which translates as hump bumps.

More informally they are called turtle bumps.

So maybe we should call them hedgehog bumps and turtle bumps.


I guess these would be counted in?
https://www.durabump.com/ 

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

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traffic calming device often used in  Czech republic
 
I found this;
https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zpomalovac%C3%AD_pr%C3%A1h
 
https://www.google.com/search?client=opera=Zpomalovací+polštáře=opera=UTF-8=UTF-8
 
https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zpomalovací_práh#/media/Soubor:Zpomalovací_polštáře.jpg
 
Zpomalovací polštáře, = english,  Deceleration pillows   
>Sunday, December 20, 2020 6:48 AM -06:00 from Paul Allen :
> 
>On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 12:32, Brian M. Sperlongano < zelonew...@gmail.com > 
>wrote:
>>  
>>>"Hillock" is quite common in British English
>> 
>>To describe a traffic control device?
>> 
>It is not the first word that came to my mind when I saw a picture of them.
>Not the second, either.  Maybe the 49th.
> 
>The first word was "molehills."  The second was "mounds."  The third was
>"dalek."  And I'm no longer sure that "mounds" is suitable.
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

[ael via Tagging]

On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 07:30:26AM -0500, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote:
> > "Hillock" is quite common in British English
> 
> 
> To describe a traffic control device?

No.

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

[Paul Allen]

On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 12:32, Brian M. Sperlongano 
wrote:

>
> "Hillock" is quite common in British English
>
>
> To describe a traffic control device?
>
> It is not the first word that came to my mind when I saw a picture of them.
Not the second, either.  Maybe the 49th.

The first word was "molehills."  The second was "mounds."  The third was
"dalek."  And I'm no longer sure that "mounds" is suitable.

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

[Brian M. Sperlongano]

> "Hillock" is quite common in British English


To describe a traffic control device?
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

[Paul Allen]

On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 11:52, Peter Elderson  wrote:

> I'd say they are small mounds.
>

Talk to an archaeologist and mounds can be quite large.  Talk to
a baseball player and mounds are smaller than archaeological
mounds but still quite a bit larger than these speed bumps.

>
> Hillock sounds too, er, hilly.
>

Indeed.  Hillocks are small hills.  Bigger than mounds.

Sadly, the manufacturers and purveyors of these things haven't
come up with a name for this particular type of speed bump,
other than proprietary, trademarked names like "Dura-bump,"
and we can't use trademarked names when they are
available from more than one manufacturer under
different trademarked names.

Even if we decide that "hillock" is a suitable description
the tag should be "hillocks" not "hillocky."  A noun, not an
adjective.  Plural because it takes more than one of them to
constitute a traffic calming measure.

They still look about the size and shape of molehills to me.
I suspect that "molehill" will enter the vernacular as a
way of referring to them - if they look like molehills...

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

[Peter Elderson]

I'd say they are small mounds.

Hillock sounds too, er, hilly.

Peter Elderson


Op zo 20 dec. 2020 om 11:39 schreef ael via Tagging <
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> > I'm uncomfortable with hillock/hillocky as a value.
>
> "Hillock" is quite common in British English, not that I am comfortable
> using it as a tag.
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

[Yves via Tagging]

Maybe it's time to create a sub-category of traffic_calming=bump with another 
tag for the peace of mind of data consumer and not bridle too much (though I 
think it is not possible) the creativity of traffic calming features creators?
Yves 

Le 20 décembre 2020 11:42:56 GMT+01:00, "Tomáš Hurýn"  a 
écrit :
>ok, so we can call value fo this tag: circle_humps. What do you all think of 
>it?
>
>Dne neděle 20. prosince 2020 0:31:07 CET, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging 
>napsal(a):
>> Round Circle Speed Humps
>> 
>> >Saturday, December 19, 2020 5:29 PM -06:00 from Paul Allen
>> >: 
>> >
>> >On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 23:19, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging < 
>tagging@openstreetmap.org > wrote:
>> >>https://streetsolutionsuk.co.uk/collections/speed-ramps/products/round-yel
>> >>low-circle-speed-humps-50mm?variant=19772633645113>
>> > 
>> >That didn't take me where you intended.  I had to navigate from where I
>> >ended up to those things.  Ended up at the URL you gave, but couldn't get
>> >there directly.  It calls them speed bumps.  Which doesn't answer my
>> >original question of whether the word "bumb" in the proposal was a typo or
>> >yet another kind of traffic calming device.
>> > 
>> >It also doesn't directly answer if these function in the same way as
>> >rumble strips or as speed bumps, but from the name I'd guess
>> >they're not an alternative to rumble strips.
>> > 
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

[Tomáš Hurýn]

ok, so we can call value fo this tag: circle_humps. What do you all think of it?

Dne neděle 20. prosince 2020 0:31:07 CET, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging napsal(a):
> Round Circle Speed Humps
> 
> >Saturday, December 19, 2020 5:29 PM -06:00 from Paul Allen
> >: 
> >
> >On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 23:19, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging < 
tagging@openstreetmap.org > wrote:
> >>https://streetsolutionsuk.co.uk/collections/speed-ramps/products/round-yel
> >>low-circle-speed-humps-50mm?variant=19772633645113>
> > 
> >That didn't take me where you intended.  I had to navigate from where I
> >ended up to those things.  Ended up at the URL you gave, but couldn't get
> >there directly.  It calls them speed bumps.  Which doesn't answer my
> >original question of whether the word "bumb" in the proposal was a typo or
> >yet another kind of traffic calming device.
> > 
> >It also doesn't directly answer if these function in the same way as
> >rumble strips or as speed bumps, but from the name I'd guess
> >they're not an alternative to rumble strips.
> > 
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

[Tomáš Hurýn]

I was thinking a lot about it. But bump is not so appropriate fot this kind of 
device bacuase it has specific qualities.

Dne neděle 20. prosince 2020 1:06:33 CET, Graeme Fitzpatrick napsal(a):
> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 09:32, Paul Allen  wrote:
> > It calls them speed bumps.
> 
> Yep, it seems like these are just a variety of speed bump
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:traffic_calming & =bump.
> 
> The existing definition is more or less OK in that it includes
> 
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

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> I'm uncomfortable with hillock/hillocky as a value.

"Hillock" is quite common in British English, not that I am comfortable
using it as a tag.

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

[Tomáš Hurýn]

That is definitelly not rumble_strip, a car has to slow down to pass this 
device. It's not just 
about the noice.

Dne sobota 19. prosince 2020 23:24:58 CET, Brian M. Sperlongano napsal(a):
> I've seen these in the US also, but I never knew what they were called.  I
> understand that the purpose of them is simply to make noise when a car
> drives over them, as they don't slow you down in any appreciable way like a
> speed bump/hump.
> 
> We already have a tag for "a traffic calming device that makes noise when a
> car drives over it", which is a rumble strip
> (see: traffic_calming=rumble_strip).  Note, I am talking about the kind
> that go all the way across the road, and not the kind in the shoulder of
> the road that make noise when you veer out of your lane.
> 
> I usually think of rumble strips as grooves in the road, but it strikes me
> that these micro-speed-bump things are essentially the same thing -- they
> make noise when a car goes over it to alert the driver of something.
> 
> I'm uncomfortable with hillock/hillocky as a value.  Cursory searches seem
> to indicate that this isn't a term in use, in any flavor of English.
> 
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 5:08 PM Martin Koppenhoefer 
> wrote:
> > sent from a phone
> > 
> > > On 19. Dec 2020, at 22:53, Jeremy Harris  wrote:
> > > 
> > > traffic_calming=multi_bump  ?
> > 
> > or
> > traffic_calming=mini_bumps ?
> > 
> > when they come up with something smaller that could still be micro_bumps
> > ;-)
> > 
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

[Tomáš Hurýn]

Thank you, the description is more appropriate now.

Dne sobota 19. prosince 2020 20:43:00 CET, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging 
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> Thanks for documenting this new value!
> 
> I edited page in attempt to provide more specific definition
> (based on photos).
> 
> To author of a proposal: feel free to revert my edit or change it
> or do something else with it
> 
> I wonder whatever there is even a British English name for that
> (or is hillocky an UK name?)
> 
> Dec 19, 2020, 19:23 by thur...@gmail.com:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > 
> >   I would like introduce traffic calming device not present in the list of
> > devices.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Definition: A traffic calming device with specific qualities
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:traffic_calming%
> > 3Dhillocky>  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,
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> > 
> > Tomas Huryn


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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

[Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging]

Dec 20, 2020, 01:18 by pla16...@gmail.com:

> On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 23:58, <> 80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru> > wrote:
>
>> it had the word bump in it.
>>
>
> Yes, it had the word "bump" in it.  "Bump" is an English word.  There
> are traffic-calming devices with the word "bump" in their name.
>
> The proposal talks of "bumbs."  "Bumb" is not an English word.  I
> cannot find any traffic-calming device with "bumb" in their name.
>
> It's bumP versus bumB.  One is a word.  The other is not a word
> but is in the proposal.  Twice.
>
I assumed that it is typo and changed bumb to bump

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

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I don't think they can be categorized with the ones designed to make noise.
It looks like they are intended to work as bumps, but cheaper and easier to 
install.
Yves 

Le 19 décembre 2020 23:47:29 GMT+01:00, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> a écrit :
>On 20/12/20 9:24 am, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote:
>> I've seen these in the US also, but I never knew what they were 
>> called.  I understand that the purpose of them is simply to make noise 
>> when a car drives over them, as they don't slow you down in any 
>> appreciable way like a speed bump/hump.
>>
>> We already have a tag for "a traffic calming device that makes noise 
>> when a car drives over it", which is a rumble strip 
>> (see: traffic_calming=rumble_strip).  Note, I am talking about the 
>> kind that go all the way across the road, and not the kind in the 
>> shoulder of the road that make noise when you veer out of your lane.
>>
>> I usually think of rumble strips as grooves in the road, but it 
>> strikes me that these micro-speed-bump things are essentially the same 
>> thing -- they make noise when a car goes over it to alert the driver 
>> of something.
>>
>> I'm uncomfortable with hillock/hillocky as a value. Cursory searches 
>> seem to indicate that this isn't a term in use, in any flavor of English.
>
>
>Rumble strips I am familiar with. They not only cause a noise but a 
>vibration too, felt by the people inside the vehicle but not a large 
>vehicle deflection.
>
>Are the simply a new kind of rumble strip? So 
>traffic_calming=rumble_strip, rumble_strip:structure=circle, 
>rumble_strip:orientation=transverse
>
>Alternatively perhaps a better name would be rumble circles?
>
>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 5:08 PM Martin Koppenhoefer 
>> mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> sent from a phone
>>
>> > On 19. Dec 2020, at 22:53, Jeremy Harris > > wrote:
>> >
>> > traffic_calming=multi_bump  ?
>>
>>
>> or
>> traffic_calming=mini_bumps ?
>>
>> when they come up with something smaller that could still be
>> micro_bumps ;-)
>>
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

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https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:traffic_calming%3Dhillocky
 
there is traffic calming device often used in Czech republic
 
https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zpomalovací_práh
 
Zpomalovací polštáře, =  Deceleration pillows
 
  
>Saturday, December 19, 2020 6:18 PM -06:00 from Paul Allen 
>:
> 
>On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 23:58, < 80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru > wrote:
>>it had the word bump in it.
> 
>Yes, it had the word "bump" in it.  "Bump" is an English word.  There
>are traffic-calming devices with the word "bump" in their name.
> 
>The proposal talks of "bumbs."  "Bumb" is not an English word.  I
>cannot find any traffic-calming device with "bumb" in their name.
> 
>It's bumP versus bumB.  One is a word.  The other is not a word
>but is in the proposal.  Twice.
> 
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

[Paul Allen]

On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 23:58, <80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru> wrote:

> it had the word bump in it.
>

Yes, it had the word "bump" in it.  "Bump" is an English word.  There
are traffic-calming devices with the word "bump" in their name.

The proposal talks of "bumbs."  "Bumb" is not an English word.  I
cannot find any traffic-calming device with "bumb" in their name.

It's bumP versus bumB.  One is a word.  The other is not a word
but is in the proposal.  Twice.

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 09:32, Paul Allen  wrote:

> It calls them speed bumps.
>

Yep, it seems like these are just a variety of speed bump
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:traffic_calming & =bump.

The existing definition is more or less OK in that it includes

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

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it had the word bump in it.

  
>Saturday, December 19, 2020 5:56 PM -06:00 from Paul Allen 
>:
> 
>On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 23:45, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging < 
>tagging@openstreetmap.org > wrote:
>>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:traffic_calming%3Ddynamic_bump
> 
>It's not a "hillocky."  The proposal doesn't contain the word "bumb."  It's not
>a rumble strip.
> 
>Was there any reason for posting that?
> 
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

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On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 23:45, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging <
tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:traffic_calming%3Ddynamic_bump
>

It's not a "hillocky."  The proposal doesn't contain the word "bumb."  It's
not
a rumble strip.

Was there any reason for posting that?

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https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:traffic_calming%3Ddynamic_bump
 
 
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On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 23:31, <80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru> wrote:

> Round Circle Speed Humps
> 
>

Indeed.  But you responded with that information to a post of mine which
was solely about the word "bumb" in the proposal.  Your response here
 was a non sequitur.

In a different post somebody suggested these things might act as
rumble strips.  Your response would have been appropriate there.
Assuming they were not misnamed by somebody who couldn't
think up a better name for them.

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

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Round Circle Speed Humps
>Saturday, December 19, 2020 5:29 PM -06:00 from Paul Allen 
>:
> 
>On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 23:19, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging < 
>tagging@openstreetmap.org > wrote:
>>https://streetsolutionsuk.co.uk/collections/speed-ramps/products/round-yellow-circle-speed-humps-50mm?variant=19772633645113
> 
>That didn't take me where you intended.  I had to navigate from where I ended
>up to those things.  Ended up at the URL you gave, but couldn't get there
>directly.  It calls them speed bumps.  Which doesn't answer my original
>question of whether the word "bumb" in the proposal was a typo or yet
>another kind of traffic calming device.
> 
>It also doesn't directly answer if these function in the same way as
>rumble strips or as speed bumps, but from the name I'd guess
>they're not an alternative to rumble strips.
> 
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On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 23:19, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging <
tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

>
> https://streetsolutionsuk.co.uk/collections/speed-ramps/products/round-yellow-circle-speed-humps-50mm?variant=19772633645113
> 
>

That didn't take me where you intended.  I had to navigate from where I
ended
up to those things.  Ended up at the URL you gave, but couldn't get there
directly.  It calls them speed bumps.  Which doesn't answer my original
question of whether the word "bumb" in the proposal was a typo or yet
another kind of traffic calming device.

It also doesn't directly answer if these function in the same way as
rumble strips or as speed bumps, but from the name I'd guess
they're not an alternative to rumble strips.

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https://streetsolutionsuk.co.uk/collections/speed-ramps/products/round-yellow-circle-speed-humps-50mm?variant=19772633645113
  
>Saturday, December 19, 2020 3:33 PM -06:00 from Paul Allen 
>:
> 
>On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 18:25, Tomáš Hurýn < thur...@gmail.com > wrote:
>> 
>>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:traffic_calming%3Dhillocky
> 
>Are the two mentions of "bumbs" meant to be "bumps" or are bumbs yet
>another undocumented calming device?
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On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 22:45, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging <
tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> https://roadsafetygb.org.uk/news/is-the-uk-ready-to-rumble/
>

I am not convinced that article pertains to "hillockys."  It is about
rumble strips and does not show these things.  Somebody else
gave a link to dura-bumps which look similar and have the claimed
advantage of low noise.

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

[Warin]

On 20/12/20 9:24 am, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote:
I've seen these in the US also, but I never knew what they were 
called.  I understand that the purpose of them is simply to make noise 
when a car drives over them, as they don't slow you down in any 
appreciable way like a speed bump/hump.


We already have a tag for "a traffic calming device that makes noise 
when a car drives over it", which is a rumble strip 
(see: traffic_calming=rumble_strip).  Note, I am talking about the 
kind that go all the way across the road, and not the kind in the 
shoulder of the road that make noise when you veer out of your lane.


I usually think of rumble strips as grooves in the road, but it 
strikes me that these micro-speed-bump things are essentially the same 
thing -- they make noise when a car goes over it to alert the driver 
of something.


I'm uncomfortable with hillock/hillocky as a value. Cursory searches 
seem to indicate that this isn't a term in use, in any flavor of English.



Rumble strips I am familiar with. They not only cause a noise but a 
vibration too, felt by the people inside the vehicle but not a large 
vehicle deflection.


Are the simply a new kind of rumble strip? So 
traffic_calming=rumble_strip, rumble_strip:structure=circle, 
rumble_strip:orientation=transverse


Alternatively perhaps a better name would be rumble circles?




On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 5:08 PM Martin Koppenhoefer 
mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> wrote:




sent from a phone

> On 19. Dec 2020, at 22:53, Jeremy Harris mailto:j...@wizmail.org>> wrote:
>
> traffic_calming=multi_bump  ?


or
traffic_calming=mini_bumps ?

when they come up with something smaller that could still be
micro_bumps ;-)


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https://roadsafetygb.org.uk/news/is-the-uk-ready-to-rumble/

Saturday, December 19, 2020 3:43 PM -06:00 from Paul Allen :
 
On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 19:45, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging 
 
>I wonder whatever there is even a British English name for that
>(or is hillocky an UK name?)
 
As far as I can tell we don't use these in the UK.  If we did, though,
we wouldn't call them "hillocky" but we might call them "hillocks."
Calling them "hillocky" would be like calling other calming
measures "bumpy" and "humpy."  "Hillocky" is an
adjective.
 
"Hillocks" (plural) would be correct here as a single
traffic-calming object would be composed of several
hillocks.  Correct English grammar, not necessarily
what we'd actually call them if they were introduced
here.  They might end up being called molehills or
mounds.  Hillock implies something larger than these
are.
 
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[Florimond Berthoux]

Hi,

It's seems "speed bumps" is the way it's called :

http://speedbumps.co.za/Our-Products/
https://www.dreamstime.com/speed-bumps-wenceslas-square-some-yellow-prague-rain-image104614297
https://www.ebay.co.uk/c/2293575914
speed humps here
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Round-Circle-Speed-Humps-75mm-Traffic-Calming-Bumps-BLACK-OR-YELLOW-/113999252188


Le sam. 19 déc. 2020 à 23:27, Brian M. Sperlongano  a
écrit :

> I've seen these in the US also, but I never knew what they were called.  I
> understand that the purpose of them is simply to make noise when a car
> drives over them, as they don't slow you down in any appreciable way like a
> speed bump/hump.
>
> We already have a tag for "a traffic calming device that makes noise when
> a car drives over it", which is a rumble strip
> (see: traffic_calming=rumble_strip).  Note, I am talking about the kind
> that go all the way across the road, and not the kind in the shoulder of
> the road that make noise when you veer out of your lane.
>
> I usually think of rumble strips as grooves in the road, but it strikes me
> that these micro-speed-bump things are essentially the same thing -- they
> make noise when a car goes over it to alert the driver of something.
>
> I'm uncomfortable with hillock/hillocky as a value.  Cursory searches seem
> to indicate that this isn't a term in use, in any flavor of English.
>
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 5:08 PM Martin Koppenhoefer <
> dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> sent from a phone
>>
>> > On 19. Dec 2020, at 22:53, Jeremy Harris  wrote:
>> >
>> > traffic_calming=multi_bump  ?
>>
>>
>> or
>> traffic_calming=mini_bumps ?
>>
>> when they come up with something smaller that could still be micro_bumps
>> ;-)
>>
>>
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sent from a phone

> On 19. Dec 2020, at 23:27, Brian M. Sperlongano  wrote:
> 
> I understand that the purpose of them is simply to make noise when a car 
> drives over them, as they don't slow you down in any appreciable way like a 
> speed bump/hump.


I thought they would make people drive slower, while retaining a possibility 
for bicycles to pass in between.
I guess these would be counted in?
https://www.durabump.com/

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[Brian M. Sperlongano]

I've seen these in the US also, but I never knew what they were called.  I
understand that the purpose of them is simply to make noise when a car
drives over them, as they don't slow you down in any appreciable way like a
speed bump/hump.

We already have a tag for "a traffic calming device that makes noise when a
car drives over it", which is a rumble strip
(see: traffic_calming=rumble_strip).  Note, I am talking about the kind
that go all the way across the road, and not the kind in the shoulder of
the road that make noise when you veer out of your lane.

I usually think of rumble strips as grooves in the road, but it strikes me
that these micro-speed-bump things are essentially the same thing -- they
make noise when a car goes over it to alert the driver of something.

I'm uncomfortable with hillock/hillocky as a value.  Cursory searches seem
to indicate that this isn't a term in use, in any flavor of English.

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 5:08 PM Martin Koppenhoefer 
wrote:

>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> > On 19. Dec 2020, at 22:53, Jeremy Harris  wrote:
> >
> > traffic_calming=multi_bump  ?
>
>
> or
> traffic_calming=mini_bumps ?
>
> when they come up with something smaller that could still be micro_bumps
> ;-)
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sent from a phone

> On 19. Dec 2020, at 22:53, Jeremy Harris  wrote:
> 
> traffic_calming=multi_bump  ?


or
traffic_calming=mini_bumps ?

when they come up with something smaller that could still be micro_bumps ;-)


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On 19/12/2020 21:41, Paul Allen wrote:

On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 19:45, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging

I wonder whatever there is even a British English name for that
(or is hillocky an UK name?)



 They might end up being called molehills or
mounds.


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On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 19:45, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging

>
> I wonder whatever there is even a British English name for that
> (or is hillocky an UK name?)
>

As far as I can tell we don't use these in the UK.  If we did, though,
we wouldn't call them "hillocky" but we might call them "hillocks."
Calling them "hillocky" would be like calling other calming
measures "bumpy" and "humpy."  "Hillocky" is an
adjective.

"Hillocks" (plural) would be correct here as a single
traffic-calming object would be composed of several
hillocks.  Correct English grammar, not necessarily
what we'd actually call them if they were introduced
here.  They might end up being called molehills or
mounds.  Hillock implies something larger than these
are.

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On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 18:25, Tomáš Hurýn  wrote:

>
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:traffic_calming%3Dhillocky
>

Are the two mentions of "bumbs" meant to be "bumps" or are bumbs yet
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[Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging]

Thanks for documenting this new value!

I edited page in attempt to provide more specific definition
(based on photos).

To author of a proposal: feel free to revert my edit or change it
or do something else with it

I wonder whatever there is even a British English name for that
(or is hillocky an UK name?)
Dec 19, 2020, 19:23 by thur...@gmail.com:

>
> Hi,
>
>
>   I would like introduce traffic calming device not present in the list of 
> devices.
>
>
>
> Definition: A traffic calming device with specific qualities
>
>
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:traffic_calming%3Dhillocky>
>   
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Tomas Huryn
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[Tomáš Hurýn]

Hi,
  I would like introduce traffic calming device not present in the list 
of devices.

Definition: A traffic calming device with specific qualities 

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/
Tag:traffic_calming%3Dhillocky[1] 


Regards,
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[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/
Tag:traffic_calming%3Dhillocky
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