Re: [Tagging] Resorts
>buffers), I think a landuse= value is appropriate. It isn't >residential, industrial, or retail. Probably the same landuse tag is >appropriate for a big resort as for a regular hotel. In the beginning it took a while to realize, that the osm tagging system as-it-was-at-the-start omits some tags when some other tag "logically normally" implies something not mentioned anywhere: leisure=park could imply landuse=leisure leisure=resort could imply landuse=leisure leisure=pitch should (often) be inside an implied landuse=leisure and so on. Why is it so, then, I hear you ask; the answer is that for "simple" mapmaking the depicted leisure element is more important/will be rendered instead of some generic landuse=leisure tag, which tells us very little about the physical contents. Likewise most don't tag the area with amenity=university with any landuse tag - some do use landuse=civil. -- Alv ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Resorts
2013/2/2 Greg Troxel : > I think amenity=hotel belongs on the building, and something like > landuse=tourism on the entire property. don't like landuse=tourism, as this is confusing (would be tagged to churches, disneyland, archaeologic sites, hotels, ...) amenity=hotel should be on the whole hotel site (IMHO). Otherwise you would get several hotels if they have several buildings. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Resorts
My standard plea: we are building a taxonomy of the world, and our tagging scheme should be jointly exhaustive and mutually exclusive, when that makes sense. For marking the area of land used by the resort area (including buffers), I think a landuse= value is appropriate. It isn't residential, industrial, or retail. Probably the same landuse tag is appropriate for a big resort as for a regular hotel. It seems that there are some amenity= tags listed on the landuse page, and I think this is an unfortunate situation. For example, I think amenity=hotel belongs on the building, and something like landuse=tourism on the entire property. pgpzqL6C9Prgd.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Resorts
2013/2/1 Steve Bennett > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:14 PM, Дмитрий Киселев > wrote: > > > I didn't like leisure=resort because in such case we will have > > leisure inside leisure in case of swimmingpools or pitch inside > > resort. > > IMHO, that is of absolutely no concern. There's no rule against > key=tag1 being inside key=tag2. There are plenty of examples already, > like amenity=parking inside amenity=school, landuse=cemetery inside > landuse=residential etc. Don't use landuse=* to make that point. Landuses should never overlap. A cemetery is not residential. Ciao, Simone ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Resorts
I talk about places like thhis http://www.antalyaresorts.com/listingview.php?listingID=163 or this http://www.koronasd.co.rs/letovanje_smestaj?id=1455 (http://osm.org.ru/#layer=M&zoom=17&lat=42.286183&lon=18.84707) beach_resort sounds almost close just before you read wiki description. Description from wiki says that its a beach with some other facilities, manageable_beach != resort In such territories beach is not actualy main part. M.b. I just interpret wiki description too narrowly? 2013/2/1 Martin Koppenhoefer : > 2013/2/1 Дмитрий Киселев : >>> if your resort is not at the beach I'd suggest to use a different tag >>> (maybe propose something like leisure=winter_sports_resort, >>> health_resort, ...) >> >> Sometimes I can't chouse one from that list >> health_ >> winter_sports_ >> horse_riding_ >> alpine_ >> some_other_increadible_inposible_type_of_ >> >> Why not generic resort and if resort type known + resort=ski;health ? > > > First because there is already since long an established tag > (beach_resort) for a particular kind of resort. Changing the approach > now would cause some confusion and overlap. > > Second I'm not sure if all kind of objects named "resort" belong into > the same classification system. Some kind of "resort" might already > have an alternative tagging in OSM (e.g. leisure=spa instead of health > resort), some resort facilities might be more appropriately > categorized under a medical tag (health) than under tourism. Can you > provide a description of the particular object you want to tag so we > can have a look if there is already a common way of mapping this kind > of place? > > cheers, > Martin > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- С уважением, Дмитрий Киселев dmitry.v.kise...@gmail.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Resorts
2013/2/1 Дмитрий Киселев : >> if your resort is not at the beach I'd suggest to use a different tag >> (maybe propose something like leisure=winter_sports_resort, >> health_resort, ...) > > Sometimes I can't chouse one from that list > health_ > winter_sports_ > horse_riding_ > alpine_ > some_other_increadible_inposible_type_of_ > > Why not generic resort and if resort type known + resort=ski;health ? First because there is already since long an established tag (beach_resort) for a particular kind of resort. Changing the approach now would cause some confusion and overlap. Second I'm not sure if all kind of objects named "resort" belong into the same classification system. Some kind of "resort" might already have an alternative tagging in OSM (e.g. leisure=spa instead of health resort), some resort facilities might be more appropriately categorized under a medical tag (health) than under tourism. Can you provide a description of the particular object you want to tag so we can have a look if there is already a common way of mapping this kind of place? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Resorts
tourism=resorts sounds good. 2013/2/1 Дмитрий Киселев : >> There is a tag leisure=beach_resort >> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/leisure=beach_resort > > In wiki beach resort described as manageable beach. But beach offtenly > takes a small part of whole resort territory. > >> if your resort is not at the beach I'd suggest to use a different tag >> (maybe propose something like leisure=winter_sports_resort, >> health_resort, ...) > > Sometimes I can't chouse one from that list > health_ > winter_sports_ > horse_riding_ > alpine_ > some_other_increadible_inposible_type_of_ > > Why not generic resort and if resort type known + resort=ski;health ? > >> I don't like landuse=resort very much, IMHO it would be better to have >> a more generic value for landuse (maybe landuse=tourism? >> landuse=recreation?) > > I'am afraid that landuse=recreation will be conflicts with > landuse=recreation_ground (as I can understand > landuse=recreation_ground is totaly different thing) > landuse=tourism -- m.b. > > 2013/2/1 Martin Koppenhoefer : >> 2013/2/1 Дмитрий Киселев : >>> Hi all. >>> >>> How to map a resort territory. >>> Big resorts offtenly have their own territory with swimming pools, >>> parks, parkings, aquaparks, beach, sport-pitches and even more. >>> >>> How to tag such territories? >>> I like landuse=resort >>> >>> Why no tourism=hotel or leisure=resort >>> I didn't like leisure=resort because in such case we will have >>> leisure inside leisure in case of swimmingpools or pitch inside >>> resort. >>> >>> I didn't like tourism=hotel because >>> 1) sometime resorts have 2 or more hotels inside (it may 2 different >>> buildings new one and old and sometimes rooms in them sold separatly >>> like two different hotels with common territory) >>> 2) tourism=hotel already commonly used with different meaning. >>> >>> What do you says? >> >> >> There is a tag leisure=beach_resort >> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/leisure=beach_resort >> >> if your resort is not at the beach I'd suggest to use a different tag >> (maybe propose something like leisure=winter_sports_resort, >> health_resort, ...) >> >> tourism=hotel should be tagged additionally (on the hotel area) >> >> I don't like landuse=resort very much, IMHO it would be better to have >> a more generic value for landuse (maybe landuse=tourism? >> landuse=recreation?) >> >> cheers, >> Martin >> >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > > -- > С уважением, Дмитрий Киселев > dmitry.v.kise...@gmail.com -- С уважением, Дмитрий Киселев dmitry.v.kise...@gmail.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Resorts
> There is a tag leisure=beach_resort > http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/leisure=beach_resort In wiki beach resort described as manageable beach. But beach offtenly takes a small part of whole resort territory. > if your resort is not at the beach I'd suggest to use a different tag > (maybe propose something like leisure=winter_sports_resort, > health_resort, ...) Sometimes I can't chouse one from that list health_ winter_sports_ horse_riding_ alpine_ some_other_increadible_inposible_type_of_ Why not generic resort and if resort type known + resort=ski;health ? > I don't like landuse=resort very much, IMHO it would be better to have > a more generic value for landuse (maybe landuse=tourism? > landuse=recreation?) I'am afraid that landuse=recreation will be conflicts with landuse=recreation_ground (as I can understand landuse=recreation_ground is totaly different thing) landuse=tourism -- m.b. 2013/2/1 Martin Koppenhoefer : > 2013/2/1 Дмитрий Киселев : >> Hi all. >> >> How to map a resort territory. >> Big resorts offtenly have their own territory with swimming pools, >> parks, parkings, aquaparks, beach, sport-pitches and even more. >> >> How to tag such territories? >> I like landuse=resort >> >> Why no tourism=hotel or leisure=resort >> I didn't like leisure=resort because in such case we will have >> leisure inside leisure in case of swimmingpools or pitch inside >> resort. >> >> I didn't like tourism=hotel because >> 1) sometime resorts have 2 or more hotels inside (it may 2 different >> buildings new one and old and sometimes rooms in them sold separatly >> like two different hotels with common territory) >> 2) tourism=hotel already commonly used with different meaning. >> >> What do you says? > > > There is a tag leisure=beach_resort > http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/leisure=beach_resort > > if your resort is not at the beach I'd suggest to use a different tag > (maybe propose something like leisure=winter_sports_resort, > health_resort, ...) > > tourism=hotel should be tagged additionally (on the hotel area) > > I don't like landuse=resort very much, IMHO it would be better to have > a more generic value for landuse (maybe landuse=tourism? > landuse=recreation?) > > cheers, > Martin > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- С уважением, Дмитрий Киселев dmitry.v.kise...@gmail.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Resorts
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:14 PM, Дмитрий Киселев wrote: > I didn't like leisure=resort because in such case we will have > leisure inside leisure in case of swimmingpools or pitch inside > resort. IMHO, that is of absolutely no concern. There's no rule against key=tag1 being inside key=tag2. There are plenty of examples already, like amenity=parking inside amenity=school, landuse=cemetery inside landuse=residential etc. > I didn't like tourism=hotel because > 1) sometime resorts have 2 or more hotels inside (it may 2 different > buildings new one and old and sometimes rooms in them sold separatly > like two different hotels with common territory) > 2) tourism=hotel already commonly used with different meaning. Yeah, I think hotel is wrong. tourism=resort sounds ok, subject to taginfo checks etc. Steve ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Resorts
2013/2/1 Дмитрий Киселев : > Hi all. > > How to map a resort territory. > Big resorts offtenly have their own territory with swimming pools, > parks, parkings, aquaparks, beach, sport-pitches and even more. > > How to tag such territories? > I like landuse=resort > > Why no tourism=hotel or leisure=resort > I didn't like leisure=resort because in such case we will have > leisure inside leisure in case of swimmingpools or pitch inside > resort. > > I didn't like tourism=hotel because > 1) sometime resorts have 2 or more hotels inside (it may 2 different > buildings new one and old and sometimes rooms in them sold separatly > like two different hotels with common territory) > 2) tourism=hotel already commonly used with different meaning. > > What do you says? There is a tag leisure=beach_resort http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/leisure=beach_resort if your resort is not at the beach I'd suggest to use a different tag (maybe propose something like leisure=winter_sports_resort, health_resort, ...) tourism=hotel should be tagged additionally (on the hotel area) I don't like landuse=resort very much, IMHO it would be better to have a more generic value for landuse (maybe landuse=tourism? landuse=recreation?) cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Resorts
Hi all. How to map a resort territory. Big resorts offtenly have their own territory with swimming pools, parks, parkings, aquaparks, beach, sport-pitches and even more. How to tag such territories? I like landuse=resort Why no tourism=hotel or leisure=resort I didn't like leisure=resort because in such case we will have leisure inside leisure in case of swimmingpools or pitch inside resort. I didn't like tourism=hotel because 1) sometime resorts have 2 or more hotels inside (it may 2 different buildings new one and old and sometimes rooms in them sold separatly like two different hotels with common territory) 2) tourism=hotel already commonly used with different meaning. What do you says? -- Best regard dmitry.v.kise...@gmail.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
