Re: [Tagging] Security Gate Post/Cabin
On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 00:55 -0600, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sunday, December 8, 2013, Jonathan wrote: It's the sort of building that houses the security guards or gatekeeper. They operate the gates to allow entrance to or exit from the site. May contain security guards who patrol the fences/area. May contain security equipment such as camera monitoring displays. Usually first point of call of any visitor or site operative. May handout health and safety equipment, such as hard hats etc. May collect names and details of all visitors. Pinkertons call this a Police Box, at least in the pacific northwestern US, and even prior to the recent Doctor Who fad. I would dispute both recent and fad. This police_box is real. The easter egg is thanks to google. https://maps.google.co.uk/?ll=51.492102,-0.192835spn=0.00092,0.002411t=mz=19layer=ccbll=51.492137,-0.192878panoid=c9UMhWP_MWm9U0L48xEjYwcbp=12,285.9,,0,3.4 Wonder why nobody has mapped it. Phil (trigpoint) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Security Gate Post/Cabin
Hi all, Just went to tag a building at the main entrance/exit to an industrial site and couldn't really find a well used or documented tag. It's the sort of building that houses the security guards or gatekeeper. They operate the gates to allow entrance to or exit from the site. May contain security guards who patrol the fences/area. May contain security equipment such as camera monitoring displays. Usually first point of call of any visitor or site operative. May handout health and safety equipment, such as hard hats etc. May collect names and details of all visitors. It's the building I want to describe but could be applied to a node as well. building=security_post has been used 3 times and seems to pretty well cover it but I'm surprised at its small use. This would not sit on a way, as that would the be a barrier, but is usually positioned near the barrier=gate etc, however, could be elsewhere on the site, particularly in the example of a Foreman's Office or Site Office in the construction industry. Any thoughts, is it worth a wiki page or subpage of building? Jonathan -- http://bigfatfrog67.me ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Security Gate Post/Cabin
On Sun, 2013-12-08 at 15:28 +, Jonathan wrote: Hi all, Just went to tag a building at the main entrance/exit to an industrial site and couldn't really find a well used or documented tag. It's the sort of building that houses the security guards or gatekeeper. They operate the gates to allow entrance to or exit from the site. May contain security guards who patrol the fences/area. May contain security equipment such as camera monitoring displays. Usually first point of call of any visitor or site operative. May handout health and safety equipment, such as hard hats etc. May collect names and details of all visitors. It's the building I want to describe but could be applied to a node as well. building=security_post has been used 3 times and seems to pretty well cover it but I'm surprised at its small use. This would not sit on a way, as that would the be a barrier, but is usually positioned near the barrier=gate etc, however, could be elsewhere on the site, particularly in the example of a Foreman's Office or Site Office in the construction industry. Any thoughts, is it worth a wiki page or subpage of building? Where I have worked, and industrial sites that I have visited over my long career, that building is always called 'the gate house'. I would suggest building=gatehouse, or gate_house, although neither had any previous useage :) Phil (trigpoint) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Security Gate Post/Cabin
On 12/8/13 10:39 AM, Philip Barnes wrote: Where I have worked, and industrial sites that I have visited over my long career, that building is always called 'the gate house'. I would suggest building=gatehouse, or gate_house, although neither had any previous useage :) same in the US. this seems non-controversial, i should think just start using it and add an entry for building in the wiki. i know a few gatehouses i've mapped that i can change from building=yes to building=gate_house right now. richard signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Security Gate Post/Cabin
Wikipedia suggests a gatehouse as a medieval construction: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatehouse building=gatehouse has been used 19 times, but in what context I don't know. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 08/12/2013 15:39, Philip Barnes wrote: On Sun, 2013-12-08 at 15:28 +, Jonathan wrote: Hi all, Just went to tag a building at the main entrance/exit to an industrial site and couldn't really find a well used or documented tag. It's the sort of building that houses the security guards or gatekeeper. They operate the gates to allow entrance to or exit from the site. May contain security guards who patrol the fences/area. May contain security equipment such as camera monitoring displays. Usually first point of call of any visitor or site operative. May handout health and safety equipment, such as hard hats etc. May collect names and details of all visitors. It's the building I want to describe but could be applied to a node as well. building=security_post has been used 3 times and seems to pretty well cover it but I'm surprised at its small use. This would not sit on a way, as that would the be a barrier, but is usually positioned near the barrier=gate etc, however, could be elsewhere on the site, particularly in the example of a Foreman's Office or Site Office in the construction industry. Any thoughts, is it worth a wiki page or subpage of building? Where I have worked, and industrial sites that I have visited over my long career, that building is always called 'the gate house'. I would suggest building=gatehouse, or gate_house, although neither had any previous useage :) Phil (trigpoint) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Security Gate Post/Cabin
On 12/8/13 11:14 AM, Jonathan wrote: Wikipedia suggests a gatehouse as a medieval construction: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatehouse building=gatehouse has been used 19 times, but in what context I don't know. wikipedia is sometimes slightly off the mark. gatehouse (or gate house) is in common usage today. if gatehouse w/o an _ is in use, i'm happy to go with that. richard signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Security Gate Post/Cabin
On Sun, Dec 08, 2013 at 04:14:33PM +, Jonathan wrote: Wikipedia suggests a gatehouse as a medieval construction: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatehouse building=gatehouse has been used 19 times, but in what context I don't know. +1. Agree that it is might be ambiguous. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Security Gate Post/Cabin
It has been a while since I worked in a facility with such a building. But I recall it being called a guard shack or guard house. Taginfo has only one guard_shack (and one guard_booth) but does have 100 guardhouse entries. The few building=guardhouse entries that I looked at via bing imagery do seem to be the type of facility being discussed. And the modern usage section on Wikipedia seems to fit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardhouse -Tod On Dec 8, 2013, at 8:35 AM, ael wrote: On Sun, Dec 08, 2013 at 04:14:33PM +, Jonathan wrote: Wikipedia suggests a gatehouse as a medieval construction: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatehouse building=gatehouse has been used 19 times, but in what context I don't know. +1. Agree that it is might be ambiguous. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Security Gate Post/Cabin
On Sun, 2013-12-08 at 08:51 -0800, Tod Fitch wrote: It has been a while since I worked in a facility with such a building. But I recall it being called a guard shack or guard house. Taginfo has only one guard_shack (and one guard_booth) but does have 100 guardhouse entries. The few building=guardhouse entries that I looked at via bing imagery do seem to be the type of facility being discussed. And the modern usage section on Wikipedia seems to fit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardhouse Guard house tends to be more on a military installation rather than a civilian factory. Shack is a very American word... Phil (trigpoint) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Security Gate Post/Cabin
2013/12/8 Jonathan bigfatfro...@gmail.com Wikipedia suggests a gatehouse as a medieval construction: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatehouse building=gatehouse has been used 19 times, but in what context I don't know. there's also another usage of the term in the context of dams: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatehouse_%28waterworks%29 cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Security Gate Post/Cabin
Btw, how would you call a small structure like this: https://maps.google.it/maps?q=romll=41.879601,12.496149spn=0.00167,0.003473safe=offhnear=Rom,+Latiumgl=itt=mz=19layer=ccbll=41.879677,12.496087panoid=48p0hYYLAJMPzfxFbg_W5Acbp=12,22.08,,2,4.41 These are used by the police to control traffic flow and I think they can also interfere with the traffic lights control on this crossing. These are put on many bigger crossings in the city, but not always there is someone in there. Capacity is I think 2 officers, they have got airconditioning. Not sure if this qualifies as a building in the stricter term, but for osm I'd say yes, as they don't move ;-) If it provided only weather protection I'd maybe call them police_shelter, but I think they also have infrastructure to interfere with the traffic lights, so maybe it is more a kind of control_room? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Security Gate Post/Cabin
On Sun, 2013-12-08 at 19:17 +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Btw, how would you call a small structure like this: https://maps.google.it/maps?q=romll=41.879601,12.496149spn=0.00167,0.003473safe=offhnear=Rom,+Latiumgl=itt=mz=19layer=ccbll=41.879677,12.496087panoid=48p0hYYLAJMPzfxFbg_W5Acbp=12,22.08,,2,4.41 These are used by the police to control traffic flow and I think they can also interfere with the traffic lights control on this crossing. These are put on many bigger crossings in the city, but not always there is someone in there. Capacity is I think 2 officers, they have got airconditioning. Not sure if this qualifies as a building in the stricter term, but for osm I'd say yes, as they don't move ;-) If it provided only weather protection I'd maybe call them police_shelter, but I think they also have infrastructure to interfere with the traffic lights, so maybe it is more a kind of control_room? The English term would be a police box (police_box). Phil (trigpoint) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Security Gate Post/Cabin
Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: On Sun, 2013-12-08 at 08:51 -0800, Tod Fitch wrote: It has been a while since I worked in a facility with such a building. But I recall it being called a guard shack or guard house. Taginfo has only one guard_shack (and one guard_booth) but does have 100 guardhouse entries. The few building=guardhouse entries that I looked at via bing imagery do seem to be the type of facility being discussed. And the modern usage section on Wikipedia seems to fit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardhouse Guard house tends to be more on a military installation rather than a civilian factory. Shack is a very American word... Phil (trigpoint) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging When I worked as a factory security guard in Nashville, TN, USA, in the 1980s, the guards tended to use the term guard shack in conversation, but we had to call it a guard house in our written reports, because our supervisor felt that guard shack sounded too informal. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Security Gate Post/Cabin
Am 08/dic/2013 um 19:36 schrieb Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk: The English term would be a police box (police_box). thank you. My suggestion is to use building for the structure. Maybe we can add more tags later regarding the capabilities (e.g. capacity(?) for the amount of people that have a place in it (rather than the number of those who fit in it for a chat), or tags regarding the function ((traffic) surveillance and/or control)). cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Security Gate Post/Cabin
I like building=gatehouse for those buildings that typically sit beside an access gate. There are numerous such buildings in Thailand where I do the bulk of my mapping. It seems every big corporate campus has them as do all gated_communities. To me, security_post implies soldiers rather than employees who regulate the flow of traffic in and out of either of those entities. Same with guard_house. But that's just me; I'm an American. We also referred to these places as guard shacks too. FWIW, a police_box in Thailand is a small, neighborhood police station. Such stations are usually one building but in some cases involve several. And each police_box has a name related to the district in which it resides. I'm all for adding to the building=* tag rather than creating something altogether new for this situation. Regards, Dave On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 5:20 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: Am 08/dic/2013 um 19:36 schrieb Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk: The English term would be a police box (police_box). thank you. My suggestion is to use building for the structure. Maybe we can add more tags later regarding the capabilities (e.g. capacity(?) for the amount of people that have a place in it (rather than the number of those who fit in it for a chat), or tags regarding the function ((traffic) surveillance and/or control)). cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Dave Swarthout Homer, Alaska Chiang Mai, Thailand Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Security Gate Post/Cabin
On Sunday, December 8, 2013, Jonathan wrote: It's the sort of building that houses the security guards or gatekeeper. They operate the gates to allow entrance to or exit from the site. May contain security guards who patrol the fences/area. May contain security equipment such as camera monitoring displays. Usually first point of call of any visitor or site operative. May handout health and safety equipment, such as hard hats etc. May collect names and details of all visitors. Pinkertons call this a Police Box, at least in the pacific northwestern US, and even prior to the recent Doctor Who fad. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Security Gate Post/Cabin
On 9 December 2013 15:55, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Pinkertons call this a Police Box, at least in the pacific northwestern US, and even prior to the recent Doctor Who fad. Recent? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Security Gate Post/Cabin
Recent in the sense that only public broadcasting nerds had access to 30+ year old reruns until about 5 years ago in the US; it wasn't exactly mainstream by any stretch. On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 1:24 AM, Andrew Errington erringt...@gmail.comwrote: On 9 December 2013 15:55, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Pinkertons call this a Police Box, at least in the pacific northwestern US, and even prior to the recent Doctor Who fad. Recent? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
