Re: [Tagging] Tagging GB railway stations and track
On 7 November 2012 13:27, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.comwrote: Source? Most of these things are owned by Network Rail, and it's not clear whether they are publicly available without strings. I'd love this to be available (speaking as someone who made maps of delay in a former life...). The data was released a few months ago in conjunction with their real-time datafeeds platform (http://datafeeds.networkrail.co.uk/ if anyone is interested). That is covered under the TCs at http://www.networkrail.co.uk/data-feeds/terms-and-conditions/, but separately I've also asked for explicit clarification that the static data is under this licence and they're happy for the data to be put in to OSM. I've also asked if they can provide a vector-based version of the INSPIRE data they've published - FOI request is at http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/map_of_the_railway_network. I imagine this will be really useful to validate track layouts and fill in any gaps. Peter ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging GB railway stations and track
On 7 November 2012 13:16, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: Megagronk has already been adding station codes. He has a list provided by the ATOC and permission to use it in OSM. He has not been using your scheme AFAIK. Thanks - I'll get in touch with him and bounce some ideas around. Peter ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging GB railway stations and track
On 7 November 2012 13:13, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: Wouldn't the route code be better in a relation? I'm sure there will be some bits of the network which are part of multiple routes. Apologies, I meant relation. One or more running lines are grouped together in to a route - it's entirely possible for lines that run parallel (e.g. the line from Watford Junction - Camden Junction runs parallel to the line from Rugby to Euston) to be in completely separate routes, or for a line to change from one route to another mid-way. I'll mull over how to model a change between line names. Why include the word code in the tag name for CRS (and nr_route_code) and not for TIPLOC and STANOX? TIPLOC stands for Timing Point LOcation Code, so adding 'code' to the end is technically unnecessary. STANOX stands for Station Number, so isn't a code per se. However, for clarity, I'm happy to make them tiploc_code, stanox_code and crs_code, or perhaps prefix them with something else. Peter ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging GB railway stations and track
Peter Hicks wrote: I'm part of a group of people who are working to get a richer set of metadata attached to the railway network in Great Britain, specifically: [...] This is a terrific idea. I've long thought that OSM would be a natural home for a sort of Open Quail and am delighted to see it happening. One comment: I've started using three tags - ref:crs_code, ref:stanox and ref:tiploc for locations, and ref:nr_route_code for route codes - they're attached to St Albans Abbey station and stations toward Watford Junction as an example. A few principles of OSM tagging: * KISS * Reusable is good * Memorable is good So ref:timing_point would be more reusable than ref:tiploc, given that (I presume) other railways have timing points. But better still: keep it _really_ simple. ref:crs_code should just be ref on stations (and I believe this is already standard practice). ref:nr_route_code should just be ref on lines. By analogy, we don't tag roads with ref:dft_classified_road_network_code. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Tagging-GB-railway-stations-and-track-tp5734638p5735100.html Sent from the Tagging mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Tagging GB railway stations and track
All, I'm part of a group of people who are working to get a richer set of metadata attached to the railway network in Great Britain, specifically: - Tagging railway stations with the three-letter CRS (computer reservation system) codes, which is widely used by train companies and the public to refer to stations, plus TIPLOC (TIming Point LOCation) codes - used in timetable planning - to relevant parts of stations, and STANOX (Station Number) codes used for train reporting - Adding junctions as nodes or closed ways (depending on their structure) to existing railway lines, along with their TIPLOC and STANOX codes - Adding Network Rail route codes to logical groups of routes and tidying up line names I've started using three tags - ref:crs_code, ref:stanox and ref:tiploc for locations, and ref:nr_route_code for route codes - they're attached to St Albans Abbey station and stations toward Watford Junction as an example. Does anyone have thoughts or comments on the above? I've set up a Wiki page at http://wiki.openraildata.info/index.php/AddingJunctionsAndSidingsToOsm and there's a mailing list at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/openraildata-talk if you want to get involved. Peter ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging GB railway stations and track
Wouldn't the route code be better in a relation? I'm sure there will be some bits of the network which are part of multiple routes. Why include the word code in the tag name for CRS (and nr_route_code) and not for TIPLOC and STANOX? Colin All, I'm part of a group of people who are working to get a richer set of metadata attached to the railway network in Great Britain, specifically: - Tagging railway stations with the three-letter CRS (computer reservation system) codes, which is widely used by train companies and the public to refer to stations, plus TIPLOC (TIming Point LOCation) codes - used in timetable planning - to relevant parts of stations, and STANOX (Station Number) codes used for train reporting - Adding junctions as nodes or closed ways (depending on their structure) to existing railway lines, along with their TIPLOC and STANOX codes - Adding Network Rail route codes to logical groups of routes and tidying up line names I've started using three tags - ref:crs_code, ref:stanox and ref:tiploc for locations, and ref:nr_route_code for route codes - they're attached to St Albans Abbey station and stations toward Watford Junction as an example. Does anyone have thoughts or comments on the above? I've set up a Wiki page at http://wiki.openraildata.info/index.php/AddingJunctionsAndSidingsToOsm and there's a mailing list at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/openraildata-talk if you want to get involved. Peter ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging GB railway stations and track
On 07/11/12 13:03, Peter Hicks wrote: All, I'm part of a group of people who are working to get a richer set of metadata attached to the railway network in Great Britain, specifically: - Tagging railway stations with the three-letter CRS (computer reservation system) codes, which is widely used by train companies and the public to refer to stations, plus TIPLOC (TIming Point LOCation) codes - used in timetable planning - to relevant parts of stations, and STANOX (Station Number) codes used for train reporting - Adding junctions as nodes or closed ways (depending on their structure) to existing railway lines, along with their TIPLOC and STANOX codes - Adding Network Rail route codes to logical groups of routes and tidying up line names I've started using three tags - ref:crs_code, ref:stanox and ref:tiploc for locations, and ref:nr_route_code for route codes - they're attached to St Albans Abbey station and stations toward Watford Junction as an example. Does anyone have thoughts or comments on the above? I've set up a Wiki page at http://wiki.openraildata.info/index.php/AddingJunctionsAndSidingsToOsm and there's a mailing list at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/openraildata-talk https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21forum/openraildata-talk if you want to get involved. Megagronk has already been adding station codes. He has a list provided by the ATOC and permission to use it in OSM. He has not been using your scheme AFAIK. -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging GB railway stations and track
Source? Most of these things are owned by Network Rail, and it's not clear whether they are publically available without strings. I'd love this to be available (speaking as someone who made maps of delay in a former life...). Richard On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Peter Hicks peter.hi...@poggs.co.uk wrote: All, I'm part of a group of people who are working to get a richer set of metadata attached to the railway network in Great Britain, specifically: - Tagging railway stations with the three-letter CRS (computer reservation system) codes, which is widely used by train companies and the public to refer to stations, plus TIPLOC (TIming Point LOCation) codes - used in timetable planning - to relevant parts of stations, and STANOX (Station Number) codes used for train reporting - Adding junctions as nodes or closed ways (depending on their structure) to existing railway lines, along with their TIPLOC and STANOX codes - Adding Network Rail route codes to logical groups of routes and tidying up line names I've started using three tags - ref:crs_code, ref:stanox and ref:tiploc for locations, and ref:nr_route_code for route codes - they're attached to St Albans Abbey station and stations toward Watford Junction as an example. Does anyone have thoughts or comments on the above? I've set up a Wiki page at http://wiki.openraildata.info/index.php/AddingJunctionsAndSidingsToOsm and there's a mailing list at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/openraildata-talk if you want to get involved. Peter ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
