Re: [Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground
Am 21.06.2013 22:11, schrieb Tod Fitch: I think that it would make sense to allow some of those tags to be used on the way that bounds the entire campground. For example camp_site:water=yes/no may be the same for all sites/pitches within a campground and tagging it in one place, if appropriate, assures consistency. (The campground I was looking at when I started this discussion has piping to various spots and up to about 20 years ago water was supplied. But with increasing strict water quality standards and decreasing manpower to maintain and test, the forest service simply turned off the water and now lists the campground as without water. Tagging the campground rather than the individual sites/pitches makes more sense to me in that type of situation.) Sure why not use the tags for the whole area if appropriate butas soon as you have differences between the pitches you will need to tag it per pitch. The Wiki page at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extend_camp_site has been marked as abandoned. The status was set automatically and just tells you that the proposal page was not changed was not I am new at this and am uncertain of the next step to follow. Try to contact the original author and ask him to allow you to take over and to modify the page. Should the page be altered to show renewed interest in the topic? +1 If so who should alter it? Or should a new page be added with a proposal along the lines of whatever this mail list thread settles into? see above, I rather would try to use the already created page than create a second one. How does voting work? Etc. You need to announce it on this list but we do not need voting at all. A nice documentation will lead to usage and once it is used it silently gets accepted. Cheers fly ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground
If I may summarize things to this point, two general proposals have been made: 1. Extend the normal street addressing to include lots, sites or pitches 2. Add a whole new set of tags specific to campsites. My camping experience has been mostly in the western United States and my views are affected by that. With that disclaimer out of the way, it appears that commercial campgrounds usually have traditional street addresses for the entire complex. For those a good case can be made that simply adding a addr:unit=* (or other equivalent) tag will work. Some private campground seem to have named their internal driveway system. So you could argue for those a traditional addr:street=*, addr:housenumber=* tag would work, except maybe if it obscures the official street address for the whole campground. Most of the public (state parks, USFS, NPS) campgrounds in my area do not have a street address. At least none posted and it seems inappropriate to me having a addr:unit tag with no addr:housenumber tag. In addition, I'm not even positive that there are posted road names for a number of these campgrounds. There may be a forest route number shown on a forest service map but it may not be signed in the field. A addr:unit with no addr:street seems even less appropriate. I assume uniform tagging is desired for all cases and it does not appear to me that anything with addr:whatever will work in all cases. So my inclination would be to follow Andrew Errington's suggestion and use tags specifically catering to campsites. He proposed the following: On Jun 17, 2013, at 7:01 AM, Andrew Errington wrote: Yes. Instead, I suggest that you use tourism=camp_site and put the name in name=* http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_site I would also suggest that addr:*=* is inappropriate for pitches on the site. addr:*=* would be for the campsite itself, probably the site office, but if there is no address (for the campsite) then you can't make one- just use name=* as above. How about making a set of tags for a pitch? (pitch is the area upon which the caravan or tent is situated). You can create a node or an area (probably a rectangle) and use ref=* for the pitch number. I don't know quite how to do the namespace, but something like: camp_site=pitch (this is a pitch for a tent or caravan or motorhome) camp_site:parking=yes/no (you can park next to your tent) camp_site:electric=yes/no (there is an electrical hookup for this pitch) camp_site:water=yes/no (there is a water tap for this pitch) camp_site:drain=yes/no (there is a grey water drain for this pitch) camp_site:type=tent;caravan;motorhome/static (the things we can put on this pitch) camp_site:surface=grass/gravel/concrete Best wishes, Andrew I think that it would make sense to allow some of those tags to be used on the way that bounds the entire campground. For example camp_site:water=yes/no may be the same for all sites/pitches within a campground and tagging it in one place, if appropriate, assures consistency. (The campground I was looking at when I started this discussion has piping to various spots and up to about 20 years ago water was supplied. But with increasing strict water quality standards and decreasing manpower to maintain and test, the forest service simply turned off the water and now lists the campground as without water. Tagging the campground rather than the individual sites/pitches makes more sense to me in that type of situation.) The Wiki page at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extend_camp_site has been marked as abandoned. I am new at this and am uncertain of the next step to follow. Should the page be altered to show renewed interest in the topic? If so who should alter it? Or should a new page be added with a proposal along the lines of whatever this mail list thread settles into? How does voting work? Etc. Thanks! Tod ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: For example *camp_site:water=yes/no* may be the same for all sites/pitches within a campground and tagging it in one place, if appropriate, assures consistency. (The campground I was looking at when I started this discussion has piping to various spots and up to about 20 years ago water was supplied. But with increasing strict water quality standards and decreasing manpower to maintain and test, the forest service simply turned off the water and now lists the campground as without water. Tagging the campground rather than the individual sites/pitches makes more sense to me in that type of situation.) The current preferred drinking water tap approach is a node with * amenity=drinking_water.* In some cases a non-specific *drinking_water=yes* is added to a larger feature like a toilet or building. For an RV campground with water hookups at each site, I'd suggest mapping the hookup then defining the type (e.g. electric/sewer/potable/non-potable) outside the drinking water scheme. An individual RV site hookup is not a general purpose drinking water site. - As for the tagging scheme: some buy-in from rendering and routing groups would really help strengthen either of the two major proposals. What works better for those efforts? While we don't tag to the rendering, we want to have renderable (and routable) tagging. This would involve making a contact on appopriate mailing lists, and getting feedback there. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground
On 18.06.2013 05:27, Paul Johnson wrote: I'm thinking it might be time to revive this proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extend_camp_site Interesting proposal In which, the space my 5th Wheel has been for the last half a year would be part of a site relation. The node or closed way representing my spot would be tagged... addr:housenumber=801 addr:street=North Mingo Road ... lot:number=252 caravan=designated tent=no lot:street and lot:number are analog to addr:* but if you tag each lot ref=* seems to me the right tag for the number. Please do not use addr:street and addr:housenumber but use a new tag if you need to use addr:* tags. Cheers fly ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground
I think this discussion seems a lot like the one on apartment numbers we had a while back. I couldn't find it though. On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 3:17 PM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: On 18.06.2013 05:27, Paul Johnson wrote: I'm thinking it might be time to revive this proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extend_camp_site Interesting proposal In which, the space my 5th Wheel has been for the last half a year would be part of a site relation. The node or closed way representing my spot would be tagged... addr:housenumber=801 addr:street=North Mingo Road ... lot:number=252 caravan=designated tent=no lot:street and lot:number are analog to addr:* but if you tag each lot ref=* seems to me the right tag for the number. Please do not use addr:street and addr:housenumber but use a new tag if you need to use addr:* tags. Cheers fly ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- /emj ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground
2013/6/20 Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com I think this discussion seems a lot like the one on apartment numbers we had a while back. I couldn't find it though. IMHO this is somehow different (you won't have named streets inside an apartment building, like you might have on a camp ground). Anyway, for apartments there is addr:door, addr:flats, addr:unit, addr:suite and maybe more (getting these from taginfo, but at least some are also documented in the wiki IIRR). I'd use either ref (seems natural) or addr:lot for the lots on a campsite. Don't use addr:housenumber if it's not an official address (i.e. if the camping has it's own address of street and housenumber, like it normally is). cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO this is somehow different (you won't have named streets inside an apartment building, like you might have on a camp ground). Anyway, for apartments there is addr:door, addr:flats, addr:unit, addr:suite and maybe more (getting these from taginfo, but at least some are also documented in the wiki IIRR). Err, not quite. Pretty much any large apartment community has named streets, with addresses on those streets, albeit with red signs (permissive streets) or black signs (restricted-access streets). I had one such apartment at Shadow Mountain...it had a street address and an apartment number, but it was a little redundant since my apartment was the only apartment with that house number. This definitely isn't a one-off situation, I'd almost call it the norm for large apartment complexes in the midwest. Larger caravan sites, especially those with larger, more permanent trailers in the mix (there's a bit of an overlap between RV parks and residential trailer parks in the midwest) also often have house numbers that differ from the lot number, though the street address only corresponds with a specific lot. Yes, it confuses us, too, sometimes... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground
On 20/giu/2013, at 17:03, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Err, not quite. Pretty much any large apartment community has named streets, with addresses on those streets, albeit with red signs (permissive streets) or black signs (restricted-access streets). fine, I was writing about the building. Obviously if we are talking about a whole area there will be named streets and you'll use those for the address. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO this is somehow different (you won't have named streets inside an apartment building, like you might have on a camp ground). The apartment proposals on the Wiki try to separate out those routes (which may be hallways) based on the notion that different doors give you access to different ranges of apartment numbers. There's also the 3D aspect: apartments are often stacked, unlike campgrounds. That said: The internal routes on either campgrounds or apartments may not have relevant names. Any tagging scheme needs to account for sites scattered along nameless roads. Short cuts in addressing abound, and any of the following should be enough to get you to the site: Site 53, Camp Hypothetical Room 53, Hypothetical Building Apartment 53, Hypothetical Arms Apartments Site 53, Camp Hypothetical, Road 10-L ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground
On 18/giu/2013, at 05:27, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: addr:housenumber=801 addr:street=North Mingo Road ... lot:number=252 what about addr:housenumber=801 addr:street=North Mingo Road addr:lot=252 ? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 1:29 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: What about addr:housenumber=801 addr:street=North Mingo Road addr:lot=252 Under current rendering, won't that create lots of little 801's all scattered on the map? Is it reasonable to expect the routing people to extend to lot numbers (e.g. find me lot 252 of Camp Mingo at 801 Mingo Road)? -- name=Camp Mingo tourism=camp_site addr:housenumber=*801* addr:street=North Mingo Road addr:city=Mingoville addr:postcode=X website=* addr:street=Camp Mingo addr:housenumber=*252* group_only=yes power_supply=cee_17_blue -- Camps are a bit like apartment buildings which have a single postal address on tax records, but multiple units. Perhaps some inspiration from apartment mapping would help? addr:flat and addr:door exist but are not widely used. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground
Am 18.06.2013 18:13, schrieb Bryce Nesbitt: On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 1:29 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: What about addr:housenumber=801 addr:street=North Mingo Road addr:lot=252 Under current rendering, won't that create lots of little 801's all scattered on the map? Yes, most likely. Is it reasonable to expect the routing people to extend to lot numbers (e.g. find me lot 252 of Camp Mingo at 801 Mingo Road)? Of course it is reasonable to like to use routing up to the lot number. If you ever have been at a camp site with hundrets of lots for tents, caravans and so on, some bigger than other villages, using street names internally as well as lot numbers, you would agree. Nevertheless: expecting routing engines to give turn instructions up to the lot: no, I would not expect it, but I don't expect (free) routing engines to use traffic statistics either, although it would be great sometimes (probably that's a feature I could think about paying for, if I had a car). But even if a routing engine does not navigate up to the target lot: Being able to look at a map (yes, probably a camp site map) and finding my way the old way (you know, when there were no electronic, satellite-based navigation systems) is a good start. regards Peter -- name=Camp Mingo tourism=camp_site addr:housenumber=*801* addr:street=North Mingo Road addr:city=Mingoville addr:postcode=X website=* addr:street=Camp Mingo addr:housenumber=*252* group_only=yes power_supply=cee_17_blue -- Camps are a bit like apartment buildings which have a single postal address on tax records, but multiple units. Perhaps some inspiration from apartment mapping would help? addr:flat and addr:door exist but are not widely used. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.comwrote: Is it reasonable to expect the routing people to extend to lot numbers (e.g. find me lot 252 of Camp Mingo at 801 Mingo Road)? Ever order a pizza in any but the tiniest apartment complexes, campgrounds or RV sites? This problem is common enough I just give the pizza guy a missile address and tell 'em it's the trailer in front of the Malibu parked at those coordinates. Reason being, RV's made in the last decade or so are all so identical (typically white, typically with bad marketing graphics if nobody's peeled 'em off) that trying to describe a trailer to someone trying to find it is like pointing for a cat. Also, turns out thanks to advances in technology, you can now address a pizza and an ICBM in the same manner... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground
With bit coin? — Elliott Plack Sent from Mailbox on iPhone 5 about.me/elliottp On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.comwrote: Is it reasonable to expect the routing people to extend to lot numbers (e.g. find me lot 252 of Camp Mingo at 801 Mingo Road)? Ever order a pizza in any but the tiniest apartment complexes, campgrounds or RV sites? This problem is common enough I just give the pizza guy a missile address and tell 'em it's the trailer in front of the Malibu parked at those coordinates. Reason being, RV's made in the last decade or so are all so identical (typically white, typically with bad marketing graphics if nobody's peeled 'em off) that trying to describe a trailer to someone trying to find it is like pointing for a cat. Also, turns out thanks to advances in technology, you can now address a pizza and an ICBM in the same manner...___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground
A campsite number seems a direct analog to a house number. Site 52, Evergreen Campground is a form of address that in olden days a mailman might actually have delivered to. I don't see this as a rendering hack... it seems pretty clean to me. But do place the node where the little number post is: that post is what you're actually mapping. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground
As someone who lives in a campground, that's a hack. My address is similar to how most American apartment complexes or office buildings handle addresses (house number, street, unit number). On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:18 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: A campsite number seems a direct analog to a house number. Site 52, Evergreen Campground is a form of address that in olden days a mailman might actually have delivered to. I don't see this as a rendering hack... it seems pretty clean to me. But do place the node where the little number post is: that post is what you're actually mapping. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground
In the case I am looking at now there is no street number for the campground. At least there is no sign indicating one nor have I seen a street number on an any map. So I guess that addr:housenumber might work. But I imagine that there are campgrounds that actually have an street number assigned to the whole complex, so overloading addr:housenumber would not work. For what it is worth, the practice in the area I an interested in for dispatching emergency services is to use the campground name and then the written reports, if for Forest Service, use the old township and range location. Other agencies might be using UTM grid nowadays. addr:unit seems like a reasonable choice for tagging the individual campsite. In the case where the whole campground has an street address, it seems like adding a unit number to the campground address is sufficient. But the Forest Service campgrounds in many of the areas I visit have no obvious street address and the service roads within the campground are usually unnamed too. So what, if anything, should be used for the addr:street tag? Any objections to using a addr:housename tag set to the campground name? Seems like that fits Bryce's old mailman analogy as an address that might have been deliverable. Paul: I assume that you've mapped your campground. Can you give me a location to look at so I can view your tagging? Thanks! -Tod On Jun 17, 2013, at 12:30 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: As someone who lives in a campground, that's a hack. My address is similar to how most American apartment complexes or office buildings handle addresses (house number, street, unit number). On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:18 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: A campsite number seems a direct analog to a house number. Site 52, Evergreen Campground is a form of address that in olden days a mailman might actually have delivered to. I don't see this as a rendering hack... it seems pretty clean to me. But do place the node where the little number post is: that post is what you're actually mapping. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground
On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 22:19:48 Tod Fitch wrote: In the case I am looking at now there is no street number for the campground. At least there is no sign indicating one nor have I seen a street number on an any map. So I guess that addr:housenumber might work. But I imagine that there are campgrounds that actually have an street number assigned to the whole complex, so overloading addr:housenumber would not work. For what it is worth, the practice in the area I an interested in for dispatching emergency services is to use the campground name and then the written reports, if for Forest Service, use the old township and range location. Other agencies might be using UTM grid nowadays. addr:unit seems like a reasonable choice for tagging the individual campsite. In the case where the whole campground has an street address, it seems like adding a unit number to the campground address is sufficient. But the Forest Service campgrounds in many of the areas I visit have no obvious street address and the service roads within the campground are usually unnamed too. So what, if anything, should be used for the addr:street tag? Any objections to using a addr:housename tag set to the campground name? Seems like that fits Bryce's old mailman analogy as an address that might have been deliverable. Yes. Instead, I suggest that you use tourism=camp_site and put the name in name=* http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_site I would also suggest that addr:*=* is inappropriate for pitches on the site. addr:*=* would be for the campsite itself, probably the site office, but if there is no address (for the campsite) then you can't make one- just use name=* as above. How about making a set of tags for a pitch? (pitch is the area upon which the caravan or tent is situated). You can create a node or an area (probably a rectangle) and use ref=* for the pitch number. I don't know quite how to do the namespace, but something like: camp_site=pitch (this is a pitch for a tent or caravan or motorhome) camp_site:parking=yes/no (you can park next to your tent) camp_site:electric=yes/no (there is an electrical hookup for this pitch) camp_site:water=yes/no (there is a water tap for this pitch) camp_site:drain=yes/no (there is a grey water drain for this pitch) camp_site:type=tent;caravan;motorhome/static (the things we can put on this pitch) camp_site:surface=grass/gravel/concrete Best wishes, Andrew ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground
Instead of duplicating the campground name: addr:street=CampgroundName addr:city=CampgroundName addr:housenumber=SiteNumber How about use of addr:street for the most specific subdivision available, usually the campground name: addr:housenumber=*53* addr:street=*Upper Pines Campground* addr:place=*Yosemite National Park* addr:district=*Mariposa County* addr:postcode=*95839* In the case of a house one finds the street, then the address. For a campground the road names are less important. You often find the campground, then find the number. See also http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features And http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 6:19 AM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: In the case I am looking at now there is no street number for the campground. At least there is no sign indicating one nor have I seen a street number on an any map. So I guess that addr:housenumber might work. But I imagine that there are campgrounds that actually have an street number assigned to the whole complex, so overloading addr:housenumber would not work. Common cases for campgrounds include: 1) The roads have names, but they exist only in a database somewhere, the actual roads are not signed or known by those names. 2) The roads developed over time and were never planned or named, and may in fact shift based on season. 3) All the roads are collectively known by some name (e.g. South fork campground loop). 4) The sites are walk-in, far from a road. --- I think the EMS/911 use case is just as good as the mailman analogy. If you wrote what you mapped on a slip of paper describing an emergency, could the EMS crew get there without confusion? I think rendering is the least important consideration: if there is sufficient mapping of any particular style, the rendering will follow starting with the maps most oriented towards camping (open cycle map, for example, might be an early adopter). -- But that said addr:housenumber has a certain elegance. You can imagine entering that into a generic OSM routing engine and getting a sensible result (directions to that particular campsite). You're not really overloading addr:housenumber in the case the campground has postal address. The camp itself exists on a road. The camp sites then relate to the camp: name=Camp Hypothetical addr:housenumber=153 addr:street=Hypothetical Street website=* addr:housenumber=153 addr:street=Camp Hypothetical group_only=yes Thus all campgrounds can use *addr:housenumber* for the space number. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.comwrote: How about use of addr:street for the most specific subdivision available, usually the campground name: addr:housenumber=*53* addr:street=*Upper Pines Campground* addr:place=*Yosemite National Park* addr:district=*Mariposa County* addr:postcode=*95839* In the case of a house one finds the street, then the address. For a campground the road names are less important. You often find the campground, then find the number. This would be tagging for the renderer in many cases. And still breaks situations where the campground has a house number (ie, pretty much everywhere in the US). ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground
I'm thinking it might be time to revive this proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extend_camp_site In which, the space my 5th Wheel has been for the last half a year would be part of a site relation. The node or closed way representing my spot would be tagged... addr:housenumber=801 addr:street=North Mingo Road ... lot:number=252 caravan=designated tent=no On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 6:06 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.orgwrote: This would be tagging for the renderer in many cases. And still breaks situations where the campground has a house number (ie, pretty much everywhere in the US). Could you illustrate so I understand? --- name=Camp Hypothetical addr:housenumber=153 addr:street=Hypothetical Street website=* addr:housenumber=153 addr:street=Camp Hypothetical group_only=yes --- My intent is to map to the router, not so much the renderer. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground
I started a discussion on this on the talk-us list but the best suggestion I've had, received off list, was to ask here on the tagging list. My original thread is at http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2013-June/011066.html Long story: While updating things in the Mt. Pinos area I found that some of the camp sites within a campground were tagged with amenity=parking and ref=SiteNumber. This seems wrong to me and clutters the typical rendering with parking icons where there is no real general purpose parking. See: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=34.81433lon=-119.1004zoom=17layers=M I've tweaked things slightly, adding some missing roads and marking everything as seasonal as it is closed in winter, etc. But, so far, have left the camp site tagging unchanged. Looking around, I found a discussion on the talk-ca list that proposed addr:street=CampgroundName, addr:city=CampgroundName, addr:housenumber=SiteNumber See: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ca/2010-August/003211.html with an example at: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5500386 This seems like tagging for the renderer as a campground is neither a street nor a city nor both. It does, however, show the casual map user where the individual sites are. Digging some more, it seems there was a page on the wiki regarding this but I don't see a consensus either on the page or in the associated discussion page and the page has been marked as abandoned. The tagging suggested there seemed a bit clunky too and not in keeping with other addressing conventions. See: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extend_camp_site#Tagging_of_lots There were a very limited number of campgrounds marked this way, see http://taginfo.openstreetmap.us/tags/camp_site=lot One example is at http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=56.06624lon=14.45492zoom=17layers=M (the standard renderers don't show these objects but you can browse the data to see the tagging. My current inclination would be to tag the individual campsites with addr:unit=SiteNumber and possibly addr:housename=CampgroundName but don't have any strong sense this is correct and am looking for guidance. Thanks! Tod ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
