Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

[John Willis via Tagging]

Thank you for this clarification. I will try to repair the lots I have tagged. 

Javbw

> On Jan 14, 2020, at 5:02 AM, Markus  wrote:
> 
> In order that data understand your example and before we've found a
> solution for parkings for multiple vehicle classes, i would recommend
> to tag it as follows:
> 
> amenity=parking
> access=no
> bus=customers
> hgv=customers
> 
> Regards
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Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

[John Willis via Tagging]

To me, there are a few requirements of “designated” parking lots: 

1)  it is signed as such: "Cars go here and HGV go there” , “cars, right” and 
“HGV, left”, directing you to different lots. Lots are labeled on signage 
telling which vehicle types to go where (cars/HGV/motorcycle/ + disabled).

2) it is designed with the vehicle in mind: Spaces are painted for the size of 
expected vehicle. The lanes are wider and turning radius of the turns are meant 
for larger vehicles in HGV lots. This is easily visible on imagery. 

3) It offers Amenities for the specific Vehicles: Very large wheel-stops for 
HGV, or parking spaces where backing out is not necessary for HGV. There might 
also be amenities for bus passengers (since the buses often have to park 
further away from the location), such as additional Toilets & vending machines 
far away from the main location, but adjacent to the bus parking area.

4) It is human enforced: When there is a large amount of traffic, people 
directing traffic enforce these rules. While they may choose to break their own 
rules to manage the spaces in an efficient way, it is not up to the driver to 
do so. People direct the cars & HGVs to the correct lots during busy days. This 
might also mean gate or cone barriers that are moved by employees when they are 
needed (common with disabled & bus lots in busy places in Japan).

5) People are advised to follow thew rules with additional signs & notices 
around the location you are visiting: there are signs saying not to park your 
car in the HGV spaces (or in the disabled spaces or the loading zones). 
Official signage (seen in restrooms and posters all over the service area) from 
the Tollway operator NEXCO regarding parking in the bus parking: 
https://www.driveplaza.com/special/mannerty/library/img/img_001_016.gif 

Of course, this is represented by the “Rude Shark” and the “Mannerty the 
manatee” in the “Heartful Highway” signage all over the tollway here. 
https://www.driveplaza.com/special/mannerty/library/index.html 

check them out, you don’t need to read Japanese to enjoy them. 

6) police enforcement / Legal enforcement: I am not aware of anyone getting 
their car towed or getting a parking ticket in anywhere in Japan *ever*, 
because there is little to no such police enforcement anywhere in Japan for 
parking rules/laws via towing/citations (unlike America). Expecting this to be 
tow-enforced / ticketed is not a reasonable threshold, because there is 
basically no tow-enforcement / ticketing for almost any parking laws anywhere 
in Japan. 

My lots meet 5 of these “requirements", but I would say if you meet the first 2 
(signed + painted for the vehicle type), it is "designated". This is the 
threshold for motorcycle parking and disabled parking as well most everywhere 
else.

Javbw.

> On Jan 6, 2020, at 2:39 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer  
> wrote:
> 
> is “designated” implying that other vehicles cannot (legally or physically?) 
> use the parking, or that there are specific measures so that the designated 
> vehicles fit perfectly into the fixtures?
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Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

[Markus]

Hi John

On Thu, 9 Jan 2020 at 22:37, John Willis via Tagging
 wrote:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/36.31737/139.61884
>
> Here is a good example of the kind of situations I have in my area:
>
> - a service area with two different lots, car and HGV (bus/lorry) adjacent to 
> each other, with a satellite bathroom for the busses.
> - service area is segregated by motorway direction, and labeled as such. This 
> makes duplicates of everything.  They are usually not adjacent, but are in 
> this case.
> - dedicated separated handicap parking
> - separate “permissive” lots for people outside the toll system to park and 
> enter on foot.
> - loading zones for deliveries (untagged).

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/758265853

amenity=parking
access=customers
bus=designated
hgv=designated
motorcar=no
parking=surface
ref=
surface=asphalt

As amenity=parking currently is defined as a car park, data users
would assume that this is a car park for customers (they likely don't
evaluate motorcar=no).

Even if amenity=parking weren't exclusive for cars, but for any
vehicles, your tagging doesn't mean what you likely had in mind (i.e.
a customer parking for buses and HGVs), but a designated parking
facility for buses and HGVs (not only for customers) that other
vehicles except cars (e.g. tourist buses or motorcycles) can use if
they are customers.

In order that data understand your example and before we've found a
solution for parkings for multiple vehicle classes, i would recommend
to tag it as follows:

amenity=parking
access=no
bus=customers
hgv=customers

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Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

[John Willis via Tagging]

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/36.31737/139.61884

Here is a good example of the kind of situations I have in my area:

- a service area with two different lots, car and HGV (bus/lorry) adjacent to 
each other, with a satellite bathroom for the busses. 
- service area is segregated by motorway direction, and labeled as such. This 
makes duplicates of everything.  They are usually not adjacent, but are in this 
case.
- dedicated separated handicap parking
- separate “permissive” lots for people outside the toll system to park and 
enter on foot. 
- loading zones for deliveries (untagged). 

This one also has a motel with a separate parking lot and a single (separate) 
disabled space. 

I don’t need to worry about nested parking lots - they are easily tagged as 
separate objects (and are signed/painted as such). 

Javbw

> On Jan 9, 2020, at 8:38 AM, Volker Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> 
> It is not unusual to have one parking area with one name with dedicated areas 
> for different vehicle categories. I cannot use amenity=parking for both the 
> entire parking area and the vehicle-type-specific "sub"-areas, at least JOSM 
> does complain when you do that. We could ignore that and use nested 
> amenity=parking tags. 
> 
> .
> 
> 
>> On Wed, 8 Jan 2020, 15:52 John Willis via Tagging, 
>>  wrote:
>> If I have a sign that says all cars go here, and all HGV goes over there, 
>> and one is painted for 1000 car spots and one has 50 giant bus spots, those 
>> are designated lots. 
>> 
>> I have used parking_space when I have found A lone disabled space - but a 
>> group of 50 spots for busses is a bus lot. 
>> 
>> At least being able to say “this is the lot for busses” as an attribute of 
>> amenity=parking should be doable (with a subtag). 
>> 
>> Javbw
>> 
 On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:18 PM, Volker Schmidt  wrote:
 
>>> make use of the fact that amenity=parking_space can be used for this.
>>> Make separate parking space areas for different vehicle types.
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Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

[Volker Schmidt]

It is not unusual to have one parking area with one name with dedicated
areas for different vehicle categories. I cannot use amenity=parking for
both the entire parking area and the vehicle-type-specific "sub"-areas, at
least JOSM does complain when you do that. We could ignore that and use
nested amenity=parking tags.

.


On Wed, 8 Jan 2020, 15:52 John Willis via Tagging, <
tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> If I have a sign that says all cars go here, and all HGV goes over there,
> and one is painted for 1000 car spots and one has 50 giant bus spots, those
> are designated lots.
>
> I have used parking_space when I have found A lone disabled space - but a
> group of 50 spots for busses is a bus lot.
>
> At least being able to say “this is the lot for busses” as an attribute of
> amenity=parking should be doable (with a subtag).
>
> Javbw
>
> On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:18 PM, Volker Schmidt  wrote:
>
> make use of the fact that amenity=parking_space
>  can be
> used for this.
> Make separate parking space areas for different vehicle types.
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Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

[John Willis via Tagging]

If I have a sign that says all cars go here, and all HGV goes over there, and 
one is painted for 1000 car spots and one has 50 giant bus spots, those are 
designated lots. 

I have used parking_space when I have found A lone disabled space - but a group 
of 50 spots for busses is a bus lot. 

At least being able to say “this is the lot for busses” as an attribute of 
amenity=parking should be doable (with a subtag). 

Javbw

> On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:18 PM, Volker Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> make use of the fact that amenity=parking_space can be used for this.
> Make separate parking space areas for different vehicle types.
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Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

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> On Jan 7, 2020, at 3:37 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer  
> wrote:
> 
> For a municipal tourist bus parking, who is "customers" referring to? 
> Customers of what?

Tollway service area  lots inside the toll area are “customers” of nexco, the 
operators. There are “permissive” lots outside the toll area at service areas 
as well for anyone to access the services (locals going to the shops there, for 
example), but the lots inside the toll are considered access=customers. 

The “road station” network on the regular trunk roads are “permissive” as 
anyone can drive up and use it whenever. 

Sorry if O am using [vehecle]=designated incorrectly, but it seems to fit for 
busses. 

But all the lots are just parking lots, and the ones designed for busses or 
other HGV should be tagged, and instead of making a whole new amenity, I think 
a subtag is a  better solution. 

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Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

[Andy Townsend]

On 08/01/2020 10:14, Volker Schmidt wrote:
What about going back to the wiki and make use of the fact that 
amenity=parking_space 
 can 
be used for this.
Make separate parking space areas for different vehicle types. Add 
parking entrances 
 
(at present restricted fto underground and multi-level car parks, but 
I acan see no reason ot to us ita lso for surface parking). Tie it 
together with a relation 
. 




... and if anyone wants to look at the usage of that around the world, 
try here:


https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Pyw

(move the map to where you're interested in and hit "run").

Best Regards,

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Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

[Volker Schmidt]

What about going back to the wiki and make use of the fact that
amenity=parking_space
 can be
used for this.
Make separate parking space areas for different vehicle types. Add parking
entrances
 (at
present restricted fto underground and multi-level car parks, but I acan
see no reason ot to us ita lso for surface parking). Tie it together with a
relation
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Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 7. Jan 2020, at 23:10, Phake Nick  wrote:
> 
> amenity=parking
> parking=bus
> bus=tourist_bus


a tourist_bus is not a subtype of a “bus” in OpenStreetMap. 

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Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

[marc marc]

Le 06.01.20 à 03:24, John Willis via Tagging a écrit :
> parking=tourism
> parking=disabled
> parking=loading_dock
> parking=taxi
> parking=waiting_lot

that conflit with the current meaning :
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:parking
parking=surface/underground/roof top would have looked better in the
location tag, but changing that is... too late, it's past Christmas :)
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Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

[Phake Nick]

With all those different types of parking facilities, wouldn't it be easier
to create some tag combinations like the following?
amenity=parking
parking=bus
bus=tourist_bus
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Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

[Volker Schmidt]

With access tags we "tag the law" (I like your experssion). Access tags are
about legal access (unfortunately with some prominent exeptions, like
wheelchair=yes|no).


On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 22:28, Florimond Berthoux <
florimond.berth...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry I don't understand the point of the questions.
> Legally a cargo bike is a bicycle (or a tricycle which is the same) in
> France.
> But road laws (Code de la route) only apply on roads open to public
> traffic in France so the diversity can be wider than the law.
> And we don't tag the law in OSM.
>
> Le lun. 6 janv. 2020 à 00:05, Martin Koppenhoefer
>  a écrit :
> > > On 5. Jan 2020, at 23:22, Volker Schmidt  wrote:
> > >
> > > x=designated means access only for x and and there is a sign, ore
> something equivalent, stating this
> > > x=designated AND y=designated means access only for x and for y and
> there is a sign, ore something equivalent, stating this
> >
> >
> > sure, the reason why I was asking these questions is that people told me
> that cargo bike wasn’t a defined vehicle class in the French jurisdiction.
> > If you see a sign motor_vehicle=designated you know that a motorcycle
> and a motorcar are both permitted on the way.
> > IIRR the thread about cargo bicycle parking went dead without providing
> answers about implications or legalities, that’s why I was asking again.
> >
> > Cheers Martin
>
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Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

[Florimond Berthoux]

Sorry I don't understand the point of the questions.
Legally a cargo bike is a bicycle (or a tricycle which is the same) in France.
But road laws (Code de la route) only apply on roads open to public
traffic in France so the diversity can be wider than the law.
And we don't tag the law in OSM.

Le lun. 6 janv. 2020 à 00:05, Martin Koppenhoefer
 a écrit :
> > On 5. Jan 2020, at 23:22, Volker Schmidt  wrote:
> >
> > x=designated means access only for x and and there is a sign, ore something 
> > equivalent, stating this
> > x=designated AND y=designated means access only for x and for y and there 
> > is a sign, ore something equivalent, stating this
>
>
> sure, the reason why I was asking these questions is that people told me that 
> cargo bike wasn’t a defined vehicle class in the French jurisdiction.
> If you see a sign motor_vehicle=designated you know that a motorcycle and a 
> motorcar are both permitted on the way.
> IIRR the thread about cargo bicycle parking went dead without providing 
> answers about implications or legalities, that’s why I was asking again.
>
> Cheers Martin

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Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Am Mo., 6. Jan. 2020 um 03:25 Uhr schrieb John Willis via Tagging <
tagging@openstreetmap.org>:

>
>
> On Jan 6, 2020, at 1:27 AM, Florimond Berthoux <
> florimond.berth...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have just detected the wiki page "amenity=tourist_bus_parking"
>
>
> Why is this it’s own amenity, instead of
>
> amenity=parking
> bus=designated
> access=customers
>


"bus" is about a bus acting as public service vehicle. *=designated does
not exclude other means of transport:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Ddesignated
"The value designated is not meant to imply that OpenStreetMap access
=* permissions have been
automatically "designated" *only* to that transport mode! If an element is
meant *only* to be used by specific designated transport methods
(overriding whatever defaults may exist for that way), use access
=no
 in addition of the *
=designated value."

For a municipal tourist bus parking, who is "customers" referring to?
Customers of what?

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Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

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> On Jan 6, 2020, at 1:27 AM, Florimond Berthoux  
> wrote:
> 
>> I have just detected the wiki page "amenity=tourist_bus_parking"

Why is this it’s own amenity, instead of 

amenity=parking
bus=designated
access=customers

?

Many Service areas in Japan has an HGV/BUS parking lot with amenities for tour 
buses - should all those parking lots be retagged?

I really want to be able to tag specific uses and types of parking lots, but I 
think it is better left to a subkey (parking=*) to define them better, rather 
than having to make up new amenities for the same thing.

parking=tourism
parking=disabled
parking=loading_dock
parking=taxi
parking=waiting_lot
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Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> On 5. Jan 2020, at 23:22, Volker Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> x=designated means access only for x and and there is a sign, ore something 
> equivalent, stating this 
> x=designated AND y=designated means access only for x and for y and there is 
> a sign, ore something equivalent, stating this


sure, the reason why I was asking these questions is that people told me that 
cargo bike wasn’t a defined vehicle class in the French jurisdiction. 
If you see a sign motor_vehicle=designated you know that a motorcycle and a 
motorcar are both permitted on the way.
IIRR the thread about cargo bicycle parking went dead without providing answers 
about implications or legalities, that’s why I was asking again.

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Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

[Volker Schmidt]

We had this discussion recently regardng parking spaces. The cargobike vs
bike is the same as the car vs motorcycle access when it comes to parking
spaces.

My approach in my foot-bicycle-vehicle-motor_vehicle world is:
x=yes means x is allowed and nothing is said about other means of
transportation.
x=yes AND y=yes means x and y are allowed and nothing is said about other
means of transportation.
x=designated means access only for x and and there is a sign, ore something
equivalent, stating this
x=designated AND y=designated means access only for x and for y and there
is a sign, ore something equivalent, stating this

Volker


On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 20:37, Martin Koppenhoefer 
wrote:

>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> > On 5. Jan 2020, at 20:18, Florimond Berthoux <
> florimond.berth...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> is “designated” implying that other vehicles cannot (legally or
> physically?) use the parking, or that there are specific measures so that
> the designated vehicles fit perfectly into the fixtures?
> >
> > No, that would depend on the other access keys, I think the wiki is
> > clear https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Ddesignated
> > "The value designated is not meant to imply that OpenStreetMap
> > access=* permissions have been automatically "designated" only to that
> > transport mode!"
>
>
> can you explain the difference of cargo_bike=yes and
> cargo_bike=designated? Can these occur together with bicycle=no? Are there
> cases of the other way round (bicycle=yes with cargo_bike=no)?
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Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

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> On 5. Jan 2020, at 20:18, Florimond Berthoux  
> wrote:
> 
>> is “designated” implying that other vehicles cannot (legally or physically?) 
>> use the parking, or that there are specific measures so that the designated 
>> vehicles fit perfectly into the fixtures?
> 
> No, that would depend on the other access keys, I think the wiki is
> clear https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Ddesignated
> "The value designated is not meant to imply that OpenStreetMap
> access=* permissions have been automatically "designated" only to that
> transport mode!"


can you explain the difference of cargo_bike=yes and cargo_bike=designated? Can 
these occur together with bicycle=no? Are there cases of the other way round 
(bicycle=yes with cargo_bike=no)?

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Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

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On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 17:29, Florimond Berthoux
 wrote:
>
> Using access tags is the good way to go, so we can use
> [vehicle]=yes/no/designated.
> Designated is to explicitly say that the place is specifically made for them.

How would you tag a designated car park for customers only? designated
seems to be orthogonal to yes/no/private/customers/visitors

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Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

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On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 at 22:12, Volker Schmidt  wrote:
>
> In particular I would like some tagging scheme that allows you to identify a 
> parking facility, and within that same facility (which carries the name) the 
> parking sub-facilities for cars,  buses, HGVs, motorcycles, ...That would 
> make more sense.

I agree that the current tagging scheme doesn't work well with
mixed-type parking facilities.

However, a new tagging scheme would likely mean that we need a new tag
for parking facilities as i don't think that an automated edit (e.g.
changing access=* to motorcar=*) on over 3 million amenity=parking
would be accepted.

As for the areas within a parking facility, we could use something
similar to building:part: for example amenity=parking_facility:part if
the parking facility is tagged amenity=parking_facility.

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Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

[Florimond Berthoux]

Le dim. 5 janv. 2020 à 18:41, Martin Koppenhoefer
 a écrit :
>
> is “designated” implying that other vehicles cannot (legally or physically?) 
> use the parking, or that there are specific measures so that the designated 
> vehicles fit perfectly into the fixtures?

No, that would depend on the other access keys, I think the wiki is
clear https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Ddesignated
"The value designated is not meant to imply that OpenStreetMap
access=* permissions have been automatically "designated" only to that
transport mode!"

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Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

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is “designated” implying that other vehicles cannot (legally or physically?) 
use the parking, or that there are specific measures so that the designated 
vehicles fit perfectly into the fixtures?

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Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

[Florimond Berthoux]

Hi,

Real case in Paris, we have : bicycle parking, motorcycle parking,
bicycle-motorcycle parking mixed, free floating (dock less)
scooter-bicycle parking, and cargo bike parking.
How can I map that with only motorcycle_parking and bicycle_parking
tags ??? I can't properly.
Using access tags is the good way to go, so we can use
[vehicle]=yes/no/designated.
Designated is to explicitly say that the place is specifically made for them.

In the point of view of a data consumer, adding tags just for each
(sub) use case is a maintenance nightmare, and most will not update
there software for each case.
If you render a map for instance, the first step would be to render
every parking area the same way, then may be you'd go into detail and
render each type of them.

Le sam. 4 janv. 2020 à 22:12, Volker Schmidt  a écrit :
>
> I have just detected the wiki page "amenity=tourist_bus_parking"
> It has so far only 16 uses (including one by myself a few minutes ago)
> I am not happy with this new tag. Agreed, we have the tags 
> amenity=bicycle_parking and amenity=motorcycle_parking, but they have been 
> with OSM for years, whereas the tourist_bus parking is new (from Feb 2019) 
> and has so far very few uses.
>
> My feeling is that we should not add more humanities along that line, like 
> RV_parking, hgv_parking, snowmobile_parking, cargo_bike_parking and so on, 
> but try to think,of something better.
> In particular I would like some tagging scheme that allows you to identify a 
> parking facility, and within that same facility (which carries the name) the 
> parking sub-facilities for cars,  buses, HGVs, motorcycles, ...That would 
> make more sense.The parking I have just inserted has two separate areas and 
> separate entrances for cars and tourist buses, but it has only one name. 
> Another frequent situation are motorway stations where parking is usually 
> split into cars, busses, and HGVs.
> Hopefully it's just my ignorance and someone else has already implemented the 
> prefect tagging scheme somewhere.
>
> Volker
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Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 4. Jan 2020, at 22:12, Volker Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> My feeling is that we should not add more humanities along that line, like 
> RV_parking, hgv_parking, snowmobile_parking, cargo_bike_parking and so on, 
> but try to think,of something better.
> In particular I would like some tagging scheme that allows you to identify a 
> parking facility, and within that same facility (which carries the name) the 
> parking sub-facilities for cars,  buses, HGVs, motorcycles, ...That would 
> make more sense.


it depends. When a parking has dedicated subareas (parking lot/s / groups of 
them) it doesn’t seem perfect to tag them as tI don’t see a problem with RV 
parking (apart the abbreviation, but it’s generally introduced in OpenStreetMap 
as in real life), if they exist (as RV only parking), and I don’t see a benefit 
if we’d tag all parkings the same and shift meaningful principal distinctions 
to a second level.


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Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

[Tom Pfeifer]

I agree, I had the problem on motorway service areas, where parking is segregated between HGVs and 
cars. I solved it with access tags for the respective vehicle class.


On 04.01.2020 22:10, Volker Schmidt wrote:

I have just detected the wiki page "amenity=tourist_bus_parking"
It has so far only 16 uses (including one by myself a few minutes ago)
I am not happy with this new tag. Agreed, we have the tags amenity=bicycle_parking and 
amenity=motorcycle_parking, but they have been with OSM for years, whereas the tourist_bus parking 
is new (from Feb 2019) and has so far very few uses.


My feeling is that we should not add more humanities along that line, like RV_parking, hgv_parking, 
snowmobile_parking, cargo_bike_parking and so on, but try to think,of something better.
In particular I would like some tagging scheme that allows you to identify a parking facility, and 
within that same facility (which carries the name) the parking sub-facilities for cars,  buses, 
HGVs, motorcycles, ...That would make more sense.The parking I have just inserted has two separate 
areas and separate entrances for cars and tourist buses, but it has only one name. Another frequent 
situation are motorway stations where parking is usually split into cars, busses, and HGVs.
Hopefully it's just my ignorance and someone else has already implemented the prefect tagging scheme 
somewhere.



tom

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[Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

[Volker Schmidt]

I have just detected the wiki page "amenity=tourist_bus_parking"
It has so far only 16 uses (including one by myself a few minutes ago)
I am not happy with this new tag. Agreed, we have the tags
amenity=bicycle_parking and amenity=motorcycle_parking, but they have been
with OSM for years, whereas the tourist_bus parking is new (from Feb 2019)
and has so far very few uses.

My feeling is that we should not add more humanities along that line, like
RV_parking, hgv_parking, snowmobile_parking, cargo_bike_parking and so on,
but try to think,of something better.
In particular I would like some tagging scheme that allows you to identify
a parking facility, and within that same facility (which carries the name)
the parking sub-facilities for cars,  buses, HGVs, motorcycles, ...That
would make more sense.The parking I have just inserted has two separate
areas and separate entrances for cars and tourist buses, but it has only
one name. Another frequent situation are motorway stations where parking is
usually split into cars, busses, and HGVs.
Hopefully it's just my ignorance and someone else has already implemented
the prefect tagging scheme somewhere.

Volker
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