Re: [Tagging] care services
Hello, I created a wiki page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:office%3Dpersonal_service with some suggestions of subtags. Any feedback, suggestion, correction is most welcome. Thanks. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] care services
Thanks everybody for the feedback and suggestions. As noted by Minh Nguyen, personal services can include any professional practice, including school assistance, accounting, law or going with grand'ma to the market. In order to go ahead, I am going back to my friends on the local community to propose office=personal_service with personal_service=* Thanks again. Le 19/11/2022 à 23:26, stevea a écrit : Once again, we bump up against the reality of a worldwide project, with many different cultures, attempting to squeeze particular meaning into a single tag. Look at Minh's "around here" clarification (true, I'm near him). And once again, we find that English can distinctly lack in its ability to convey to all what is sometimes only adequate for some. I agree with Graeme that craft=* is good for specific craft artists / professionals, but its overlap with what attempts to be tagged in this thread is poor. It might work to clarify in some edge cases (I might imagine something like craft=tailor_on_call if you need such personal services), but in general it seems an unhelpful overlapping tag. Phil is correct that personal services and care are not the same thing. For the purpose that Georges asks about, I agree that amenity=personal_service is likely better "migrated" to something like office=personal_service, as amenity is a heavily-loaded, perhaps even over-loaded tag. You could supplement office=personal_service with a craft=* tag, like craft=tailor or craft=gardening, though this does seem a bit odd to me, as these seem more "established for the longer term" rather than the "once for today only" that such a "personal_service" office might provide. But what do I know? In your culture, it may be that people only want a gardener or a tailor for a day, and then are done. On the other hand, perhaps the office establishes long(er)-term professional relationships with craftspeople and their clients who need professional services (whether short-term or long-term), and that is the purpose of the personal service office. I hope the replies in this thread are helpful, Georges. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] care services
On Sun, 20 Nov 2022 at 12:36, Matija Nalis < mnalis-openstreetmapl...@voyager.hr> wrote: > > > My question is for a unique company providing different services for > > assistance at home, but the goal is not healthcare. Probably > > office=home_aide could be good, I am questionning english native > > speakers for the right word. In french we call that "service à la > > personne", and I found for translation "home care". > > Interesting, yes. office=* would probaby be good. But not being a native > English speaker, I have no idea what would be a good value either. > Hmmm? office=home_services perhaps,or possibly office=multi-services? I take it it would be similar to: https://jims.net/? Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] care services
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 13:12:09 +0100, Georges Dutreix via Tagging wrote: > I don't think that this liste is good. These tags are primary tags. When > a restaurant offers different "cuisines" you won't map different POI's > with restaurant=chinese and restaurant=japanese, ... You will have only > one amenity=restaurant with a subtag cuisine. Ah, I was confused then. I though each of those were separate. We're more specialized here in Croatia, it it is about cleaning services it would only offer cleaning services, it wouldn't have gardening services, and it surely wouldn't provide assistence for children/elders (which require separate licensing, extra schools etc.!) > My question is for a unique company providing different services for > assistance at home, but the goal is not healthcare. Probably > office=home_aide could be good, I am questionning english native > speakers for the right word. In french we call that "service à la > personne", and I found for translation "home care". Interesting, yes. office=* would probaby be good. But not being a native English speaker, I have no idea what would be a good value either. -- Opinions above are GNU-copylefted. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] care services
Once again, we bump up against the reality of a worldwide project, with many different cultures, attempting to squeeze particular meaning into a single tag. Look at Minh's "around here" clarification (true, I'm near him). And once again, we find that English can distinctly lack in its ability to convey to all what is sometimes only adequate for some. I agree with Graeme that craft=* is good for specific craft artists / professionals, but its overlap with what attempts to be tagged in this thread is poor. It might work to clarify in some edge cases (I might imagine something like craft=tailor_on_call if you need such personal services), but in general it seems an unhelpful overlapping tag. Phil is correct that personal services and care are not the same thing. For the purpose that Georges asks about, I agree that amenity=personal_service is likely better "migrated" to something like office=personal_service, as amenity is a heavily-loaded, perhaps even over-loaded tag. You could supplement office=personal_service with a craft=* tag, like craft=tailor or craft=gardening, though this does seem a bit odd to me, as these seem more "established for the longer term" rather than the "once for today only" that such a "personal_service" office might provide. But what do I know? In your culture, it may be that people only want a gardener or a tailor for a day, and then are done. On the other hand, perhaps the office establishes long(er)-term professional relationships with craftspeople and their clients who need professional services (whether short-term or long-term), and that is the purpose of the personal service office. I hope the replies in this thread are helpful, Georges. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] care services
Vào lúc 04:12 2022-11-19, Georges Dutreix via Tagging đã viết: My question is for a unique company providing different services for assistance at home, but the goal is not healthcare. Probably office=home_aide could be good, I am questionning english native speakers for the right word. In french we call that "service à la personne", and I found for translation "home care". Ah, that explains the confusion. Around here, "home care" would typically refer to in-home supportive services for the ill, elderly, or those with disabilities, although it isn't strictly about healthcare. Judging from [1], I think English has analogous terms for the economic sector as a whole (personal services) and for individual occupations within that sector (nanny, handyman, tutor, personal assistant), but I'm unsure if there's a set phrase for a business that offers a wide variety of these services at large. "Personal services" has several definitions, some of them quite broad. It can mean beauty salons, tattoo artists, and the like. Alternatively, it can include any professional practice, including accounting and law. [2] [1] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Services_à_la_personne_en_France [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_service_corporation -- m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] care services
The problem with using the various craft= tags, is that a lot of these sort of home-assistance organisations, don't provide services to the general public, only to those people who qualify for home-care assistance. I was meaning a company selling services to anybody. It's for people who need somedy to take care of a child after school once a week, or a gardener once every two months, or just to repair the door of the cupboard or the computer, etcetera. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] care services
I don't think that this liste is good. These tags are primary tags. When a restaurant offers different "cuisines" you won't map different POI's with restaurant=chinese and restaurant=japanese, ... You will have only one amenity=restaurant with a subtag cuisine. My question is for a unique company providing different services for assistance at home, but the goal is not healthcare. Probably office=home_aide could be good, I am questionning english native speakers for the right word. In french we call that "service à la personne", and I found for translation "home care". Le 18/11/2022 à 23:43, Matija Nalis a écrit : On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 18:39:07 +0100, Georges Dutreix via Tagging wrote: How would you tag the office of a company providing personnal services or care services at home, like gardener, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:craft=gardener cleaning, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:craft=cleaning assistance for children, elders or disabled, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity=social_facility small repairs https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:craft=repair ? The tag office=employment_agency is sometimes used, but looks for me not really adequate. The goal is not to provide jobs but to sell services. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:fee=yes ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] care services
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 at 08:45, Matija Nalis < mnalis-openstreetmapl...@voyager.hr> wrote: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:craft=gardener > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:craft=cleaning The problem with using the various craft= tags, is that a lot of these sort of home-assistance organisations, don't provide services to the general public, only to those people who qualify for home-care assistance. Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] care services
On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 18:39:07 +0100, Georges Dutreix via Tagging wrote: > How would you tag the office of a company providing personnal services > or care services at home, > like gardener, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:craft=gardener > cleaning, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:craft=cleaning > assistance for children, elders or disabled, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity=social_facility > small repairs https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:craft=repair ? > The tag office=employment_agency is sometimes used, but looks for me not > really adequate. The goal is not to provide jobs but to sell services. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:fee=yes ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] care services
On 11/18/2022 5:07 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 at 05:58, Jmapb wrote:
I think office=home_aide might be good.
("home_care" sounds like it's the home that's being cared for.)
How about =home_assistance?
Hey, that's not bad!
J
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 at 05:58, Jmapb wrote:
> I think office=home_aide might be good.
> ("home_care" sounds like it's the home that's being cared for.)
How about =home_assistance?
Thanks
Graeme
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Re: [Tagging] care services
On 11/17/2022 2:23 PM, Minh Nguyen wrote:
Vào lúc 10:51 2022-11-17, Philip Barnes đã viết:
On Thu, 2022-11-17 at 19:21 +0100, Georges Dutreix wrote:
Le 17/11/2022 à 18:52, Philip Barnes a écrit :
I have used office=home_care for a care company.
I found as well amenity=personal_service used 110 times
Would be "amenity" better than "office" for this case ?
Personal services and Care are not really the same thing.
Care could probably fit into heathcare.
I've mapped the office of a home care provider (just a desk) as
healthcare=home_care, but something in office=* would make sense too.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8710988857
I've been using amenity=social_facility +
social_facility=ambulatory_care for so-called "home health agencies",
based on the wiki pages
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dsocial_facility and
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:social_facility%3Dambulatory_care
, but I've never really grooved to that tag. From the page history, I
see that J Eisenberg asked us to "consider office=* instead" in 2020,
with no value specified. I think office=home_aide might be good.
("home_care" sounds like it's the home that's being cared for.) Could
also go under the healthcare tag.
J
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Re: [Tagging] care services
Vào lúc 10:51 2022-11-17, Philip Barnes đã viết: On Thu, 2022-11-17 at 19:21 +0100, Georges Dutreix wrote: Le 17/11/2022 à 18:52, Philip Barnes a écrit : I have used office=home_care for a care company. I found as well amenity=personal_service used 110 times Would be "amenity" better than "office" for this case ? Personal services and Care are not really the same thing. Care could probably fit into heathcare. I've mapped the office of a home care provider (just a desk) as healthcare=home_care, but something in office=* would make sense too. https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8710988857 -- m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
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On Thu, 2022-11-17 at 19:21 +0100, Georges Dutreix wrote: > > Le 17/11/2022 à 18:52, Philip Barnes a écrit : > > I have used office=home_care for a care company. > > I found as well amenity=personal_service used 110 times > Would be "amenity" better than "office" for this case ? Personal services and Care are not really the same thing. Care could probably fit into heathcare. Phil (trigpoint) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] care services
On Thu, 2022-11-17 at 18:39 +0100, Georges Dutreix via Tagging wrote: > Hello, > How would you tag the office of a company providing personnal > services > or care services at home, like gardener, cleaning, assistance for > children, elders or disabled, small repairs, etcetera ? > > The tag office=employment_agency is sometimes used, but looks for me > not > really adequate. The goal is not to provide jobs but to sell > services. > > I would favor office=home_care (used 56 times), with home_care=* > (gardener;cleaning...) but I will appreciate your feedbacks. > Thanks > I have used office=home_care for a care company. Gardening and cleaning seem to be odd tags to combine with care however. Phil (trigpoint) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] care services
Hello, How would you tag the office of a company providing personnal services or care services at home, like gardener, cleaning, assistance for children, elders or disabled, small repairs, etcetera ? The tag office=employment_agency is sometimes used, but looks for me not really adequate. The goal is not to provide jobs but to sell services. I would favor office=home_care (used 56 times), with home_care=* (gardener;cleaning...) but I will appreciate your feedbacks. Thanks Georges ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
