Re: [Tagging] château
Am 11/dic/2012 um 11:19 schrieb Pieren pier...@gmail.com: If you don't like historic then use building if you like but avoid localized tags if the english equivalent exists. building and historic describe orthogonal properties, they are not exclusive, and you could well have both of them attached. It could also be that there are several types of château (in the real world) and in OSM we will have several different main tags for them rather than the same. In order to decide about this I would make a description of what are the characteristics of these châteaux that you want to tag (what do they have in common) to see if they all belong to the same class of object. Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] château
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 2:38 AM, A.Pirard.Papou a.pirard.pa...@gmail.comwrote: historic:castle castle_type=château: would have been nice if something else that historic had been chosen, because those châteaux' history is very very short. Your opinion... very short is always relative. In US, everything older than 50..75 years is historic ;) I second others answers : historic=manor or mansion would be good enough. If you don't like historic then use building if you like but avoid localized tags if the english equivalent exists. Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] château
On 2012-12-11 11:19, Pieren wrote : On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 2:38 AM, A.Pirard.Papou a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: historic:castle castle_type=château: would have been nice if something else that historic had been chosen, because those châteaux' history is very very short. Your opinion... very short is always relative. In US, everything older than 50..75 years is historic ;) OK. And historic=castle castle_type=château presents the option alongside the other ones vs standalone. I may propose that after all. I second others answers : historic=manor or mansion would be good enough. If you don't like historic then use building if you like but avoid localized tags if the english equivalent exists. I think that we should use en:château if it exists in the English dictionaries for exactly what we are about. Go to a wine shop and ask for a Mansion Lafitte ;-) *Before my proposition, please +1/-1 your opinion by updating this : * http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/building:château http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/building:ch%C3%A2teau BTW, can several type tags like this one and tourism=hotel coexist? Or will the renderer loop? (OK, we don't tag for the renderer ;-)) Thank you. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] château
I have no opinion on whether the proposed value should exist or not, but I do prefer that we avoid diacritics like that circumflex on top of the 'a' for enumerated values like building=* or historic=*. On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 11:53 PM, A.Pirard.Papou a.pirard.pa...@gmail.comwrote: On 2012-12-11 11:19, Pieren wrote : On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 2:38 AM, A.Pirard.Papou a.pirard.pa...@gmail.comwrote: historic:castle castle_type=château: would have been nice if something else that historic had been chosen, because those châteaux' history is very very short. Your opinion... very short is always relative. In US, everything older than 50..75 years is historic ;) OK. And historic=castle castle_type=château presents the option alongside the other ones vs standalone. I may propose that after all. I second others answers : historic=manor or mansion would be good enough. If you don't like historic then use building if you like but avoid localized tags if the english equivalent exists. I think that we should use en:château if it exists in the English dictionaries for exactly what we are about. Go to a wine shop and ask for a Mansion Lafitte ;-) *Before my proposition, please +1/-1 your opinion by updating this : * http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/building:château BTW, can several type tags like this one and tourism=hotel coexist? Or will the renderer loop? (OK, we don't tag for the renderer ;-)) Thank you. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] château
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 3:53 PM, A.Pirard.Papou a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: Go to a wine shop and ask for a Mansion Lafitte ;-) You can use Château in the tag name. But we are talking here about a common tag for the building or its compound, no ? If you don't like mansion or manor, you still have options like vineyard_estate or domain. I don't like castle here because it has really nothing to do with a castle, a fortress or even a defensive dwelling. In the same way, a water tower is called in French Château d'eau. But we don't tag it with amenity=castle + castle_type=water_tower... Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] château
On 2012-12-08 21:22, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote : 2012/12/8 A.Pirard.Papou a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com I have to tag a number of what we call château(x) in French. The best translation I could find is château: A country estate, especially a fine one, in France or elsewhere on the Continent. (unfortunately and ambiguously, an fr:château can also be a castle)Hence, inescapably building=château but that doesn't seem to exist. (and the explanation for building=house is empty of any variant). If you use building=chateau or château please also define in the wiki (or make a proposal) what kind of building type this is intended for. Fortunately there is not a single one in the current db according to taginfo, so you are free to do what you want ;-) OK, I've played the game and I RFC Proposed_features/building:château castle_type=stately does not fit. According to Wikipedia: British Isles, huge, abbeys, 16th century, etc and the photo is from Sweden, same as Russian, Polish and Czech !!! historic:castle castle_type=château: would have been nice if something else that "historic" had been chosen, because those châteaux' history is very very short. Your opinion... Cheers, André. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] château
Hi, I have to tag a number of what we call château(x) in French. The best translation I could find is château: /A country estate, especially a fine one, in France or elsewhere on the Continent./ (unfortunately and ambiguously, an fr:château can also be a castle) That is, a normal, but very large, dwelling. Old style, but nothing historical and even less castle (fortress, defense). Also related to wine names Château XXX. Hence, inescapably building=château but that doesn't seem to exist. (and the explanation for building=house is empty of any variant). Do I go ahead or did I miss an entrance? Cheers, André. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] château
The French chateaux could be described by the tag historic=manor: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dmanor I use it for Venetian villas in northern Italy. Volker (Padova, Italy) On 8 December 2012 20:50, A.Pirard.Papou a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have to tag a number of what we call château(x) in French. The best translation I could find is château: *A country estate, especially a fine one, in France or elsewhere on the Continent.* (unfortunately and ambiguously, an fr:château can also be a castle) That is, a normal, but very large, dwelling. Old style, but nothing historical and even less castle (fortress, defense). Also related to wine names Château XXX. Hence, inescapably building=château but that doesn't seem to exist. (and the explanation for building=house is empty of any variant). Do I go ahead or did I miss an entrance? Cheers, André. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] château
2012/12/8 A.Pirard.Papou a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com I have to tag a number of what we call château(x) in French. The best translation I could find is château: *A country estate, especially a fine one, in France or elsewhere on the Continent.* (unfortunately and ambiguously, an fr:château can also be a castle) I think castle and also stately home/mansion and maybe also château could all be fine for these ;-). Use what you think is OK, and what is closest to the official name/title. We mostly don't have very detailed building typology tagging yet, but the more general it is, the less useful it is also. Probably your biggest problem will be, that not all châteaux are the same building type, there are defensive castles from the middleages but also recent houses in the countryside which make vine etc. As a sidenote looking at château vs. palais (castle/palace) the difference is the situation (countryside vs. town/city). Even though wikipedia:en defines castle as defensive structure, I am not sure if this is true for all instances, see for example this one: http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/mull/torosaycastle/index.html Hence, inescapably building=château but that doesn't seem to exist. (and the explanation for building=house is empty of any variant). I'd not use house, even if it might linguistically fit, because then you loose them in the db (all those houses that are already there are mostly small detached houses similar to this: http://www.nowhouseproject.com/images/photos/imgDemoHouse.jpg ). If you use building=chateau or château please also define in the wiki (or make a proposal) what kind of building type this is intended for. Fortunately there is not a single one in the current db according to taginfo, so you are free to do what you want ;-) Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
