Re: [Tagging] highway=services/rest_area
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > What's the correct tag for something like this, on a surface road and > operated by a private company (chain)? > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/99634310 I don't think there's a single tag that covers a truck stop, though I wouldn't be opposed to highway=services for this, since they almost always include exactly the same amenities as a concessions plaza anyway; they're just not on public land. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] highway=services/rest_area
On Apr 20, 2012 7:18 AM, "John F. Eldredge" wrote:
> In the USA, you have the same distinction between service areas and rest
areas. In addition, there will sometimes be "parking areas", meaning that
there will be a parking lot but no restrooms or other amenities.
Fortunately, "parking areas" are rare.
Oklahoma seems to use "picnic area" and "rest area" interchangeably, though
picnic areas always only have picnic tables and trash cans. You're often
miles from a toilet (located at the next concessions plaza ("services")),
and it seems like as often as not, shade.
___
Tagging mailing list
Tagging@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] highway=services/rest_area
What's the correct tag for something like this, on a surface road and operated by a private company (chain)? http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/99634310 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] highway=services/rest_area
Am 20. April 2012 16:18 schrieb John F. Eldredge : > n addition, there will sometimes be "parking areas", meaning that there will > be a parking lot but no restrooms or other amenities. Fortunately, "parking > areas" are rare. we also have these, I'd include them in rest_areas. Basically you can rest there, even if there is no toilet. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] highway=services/rest_area
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am 20. April 2012 14:21 schrieb Philip Barnes : > > I think Wikipedia is very wrong on that one, and we really should > not > > follow it. > > > +1, we might even think of correcting it in WP. > > > > To give the impression that you will get fuel, food or drink at a > rest > > area is misleading. A rest area is a place to stop (to rest), that > may > > have a WC, picnic tables, somewhere maybe to set up a barbeque but > no > > 'services' are available. > > > > At a service area you can also get fuel, there will be a shop and > > cafeteria/restaurants. > > > +1, it is the same situation in Germany, Italy and probably mostly > anywhere. > > Cheers, > Martin > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging In the USA, you have the same distinction between service areas and rest areas. In addition, there will sometimes be "parking areas", meaning that there will be a parking lot but no restrooms or other amenities. Fortunately, "parking areas" are rare. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] highway=services/rest_area
Am 20. April 2012 14:21 schrieb Philip Barnes : > I think Wikipedia is very wrong on that one, and we really should not > follow it. +1, we might even think of correcting it in WP. > To give the impression that you will get fuel, food or drink at a rest > area is misleading. A rest area is a place to stop (to rest), that may > have a WC, picnic tables, somewhere maybe to set up a barbeque but no > 'services' are available. > > At a service area you can also get fuel, there will be a shop and > cafeteria/restaurants. +1, it is the same situation in Germany, Italy and probably mostly anywhere. Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] highway=services/rest_area
On Fri, 2012-04-20 at 06:43 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On 4/20/2012 5:50 AM, Georg Feddern wrote: > > Am 20.04.2012 10:46, schrieb Nathan Edgars II: > >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dservices says that it > >> (usually) has fuel and food, but it links to Wikipedia:rest area. > > > >> Should the Wikipedia link be removed (and added to > >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Drest_area)? > > > > Uhmm, difficult, because the linked wikipedia article refers to rest > > area _and_ service area. > > Wikipedia:service area redirects to rest area, so I'm going to change it > to that. At least it won't give the wrong impression to someone skimming > the description. I think Wikipedia is very wrong on that one, and we really should not follow it. To give the impression that you will get fuel, food or drink at a rest area is misleading. A rest area is a place to stop (to rest), that may have a WC, picnic tables, somewhere maybe to set up a barbeque but no 'services' are available. At a service area you can also get fuel, there will be a shop and cafeteria/restaurants. Phil ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] highway=services/rest_area
On 4/20/2012 5:50 AM, Georg Feddern wrote: Am 20.04.2012 10:46, schrieb Nathan Edgars II: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dservices says that it (usually) has fuel and food, but it links to Wikipedia:rest area. Should the Wikipedia link be removed (and added to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Drest_area)? Uhmm, difficult, because the linked wikipedia article refers to rest area _and_ service area. Wikipedia:service area redirects to rest area, so I'm going to change it to that. At least it won't give the wrong impression to someone skimming the description. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] highway=services/rest_area
Nathan Edgars II wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dservices says that it (usually) has fuel and food, but it links to Wikipedia:rest area. Should the Wikipedia link be removed (and added to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Drest_area)? Should the word 'usually' be removed? As I read it, Wikipedia:rest_area encompasses both highway=services and highway=rest_area. The highway=rest_area page was created by an Australian, and I suspect it reflects the situation in (Eastern) Australia*. It links to "Wikipedia:rest area#Australia. There are similar non-service rest areas in other countries of course - lots in the US, and there's at least one in the UK. I'd say the wikipedia links are about right as thet are Cheers, Andy * I don't remember seeing one in a few thousand km of driving in Western Australia last year. Bottle-shops, plenty... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] highway=services/rest_area
Am 20.04.2012 10:46, schrieb Nathan Edgars II: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dservices says that it (usually) has fuel and food, but it links to Wikipedia:rest area. Should the Wikipedia link be removed (and added to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Drest_area)? Uhmm, difficult, because the linked wikipedia article refers to rest area _and_ service area. I would differ between highway=rest_area as rest area (min. parking and rest rooms, may be a picnic area or a very small kiosk, but no further service) and highway=services as service area. (min. any 'full' service like refuel, restaurant, accomodation) Should the word 'usually' be removed? Possibly, at least I am expecting a fuel service at highway=services - but that may be a result of my german / european practice. I do not know of service areas with accomodation only, just of fuel and optional restaurant, optional accomodation. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] highway=services/rest_area
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dservices says that it (usually) has fuel and food, but it links to Wikipedia:rest area. Should the Wikipedia link be removed (and added to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Drest_area)? Should the word 'usually' be removed? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
