Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=trailhead

[Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging]

Feb 24, 2023, 09:25 by 61sundow...@gmail.com:

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> On 23/2/23 21:18, Peter Elderson wrote:
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>> I would like to change the status of thisestablished tag to 
>> approved. I have altered the previous >> proposal 
>> >>  to 
>> match the establishedpractice.
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> No, it has not been 'approved' so it would be misleading to claim  it is 
> 'approved'. (Approval is given by voting on a proposal these  days.)
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> The status might be 'de-facto'. 
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And I changed it to "de-facto".

Personally, I would consider vote just to change status to "approved" seems 
pointless.
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=trailhead

[Peter Elderson]

Martin Koppenhoefer :

> I believe setting up voting to approve a tag with "de-facto"-status is a
> waste of time, particularly if you do not intend to refine the definition,
> and an approval will only "downgrade" the tag from "de-facto" to
> "approved". People have already voted on the tag by using it thousands of
> times.
>

I sort of agree...I let myself get sucked into it, while I only wanted to
upgrade from "in use" by simply polling opinion.
On the other hand, it feels unfinished to skip the end vote.

I would like to see it through now, but I probably won't do it again! I do
think my action has led to some attention and improvement, though.

You wouldn't vote "no" because of this, I hope?
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=trailhead

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

I believe setting up voting to approve a tag with "de-facto"-status is a
waste of time, particularly if you do not intend to refine the definition,
and an approval will only "downgrade" the tag from "de-facto" to
"approved". People have already voted on the tag by using it thousands of
times.
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=trailhead

[Marc_marc]

Le 24.02.23 à 11:47, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit :
If it fails, will it change the tag status from "de-facto" to what? 


it'll not change the status of the tag :)


voting is about a proposal, not about "tags"


the proposals endorse tags, this is playing with words.
It has the merit of saying that several people have collectively
thought about the choice of tag and that it seemed coherent to them,
at at the end we document this with an approved status on the tag page.
it is on average of better quality than a tag that became defacto 
because the automatic autocompletion of an editor encouraged the use

of the first occurrence of the tag without anyone having a critical look.

so for me if the person makes an RFC to have an opinion on the proposal, 
I have nothing against his request, on the contrary, take care about 
quality is always positive




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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=trailhead

[Peter Elderson]

Voting is about formal acceptance of the de facto usage.
I do not expect any no's, but maybe someone was against the tag al these
years and now finally gets the chance to say no.
A fail will not change anything to the de facto usage.

If a bunch of no votes appear, I will simply cancel my proposal. But I
trust it'll pass. So far, no criticism on the mapping itself has been
posted.

(If I had tried the same with landcover=trees|grass don't worry, I
won't)

Peter Elderson


Op vr 24 feb. 2023 om 11:51 schreef Martin Koppenhoefer <
dieterdre...@gmail.com>:

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> Am Fr., 24. Feb. 2023 um 10:49 Uhr schrieb Peter Elderson <
> pelder...@gmail.com>:
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>> Sorry, I wasn't clear. The current status of the tag is de facto (was: in
>> use, but someone, not me, amended that).  The proposal intends to alter
>> that from de facto to approved, by voting.
>>
>> Fr gr Peter Elderson
>>
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>
> are you going to change the definition with the vote? Let's imagine you
> start a voting for the exact same text as is now on the tag definition
> page.
> If it wins it will change the tag status from "de-facto" to "approved". If
> it fails, will it change the tag status from "de-facto" to what? Strictly,
> voting is about a proposal, not about "tags" (it is about the
> definition/meaning that should be associated to the tags).
>
> Cheers,
> Martin
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=trailhead

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Am Fr., 24. Feb. 2023 um 10:49 Uhr schrieb Peter Elderson <
pelder...@gmail.com>:

> Sorry, I wasn't clear. The current status of the tag is de facto (was: in
> use, but someone, not me, amended that).  The proposal intends to alter
> that from de facto to approved, by voting.
>
> Fr gr Peter Elderson
>


are you going to change the definition with the vote? Let's imagine you
start a voting for the exact same text as is now on the tag definition
page.
If it wins it will change the tag status from "de-facto" to "approved". If
it fails, will it change the tag status from "de-facto" to what? Strictly,
voting is about a proposal, not about "tags" (it is about the
definition/meaning that should be associated to the tags).

Cheers,
Martin
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=trailhead

[Peter Elderson]

Sorry, I wasn't clear. The current status of the tag is de facto (was: in
use, but someone, not me, amended that).  The proposal intends to alter
that from de facto to approved, by voting.

Fr gr Peter Elderson


Op vr 24 feb. 2023 om 09:24 schreef Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>:

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> On 23/2/23 21:18, Peter Elderson wrote:
>
> I would like to change the status of this established tag to approved. I
> have altered the previous proposal
>  to
> match the established practice.
>
>
> No, it has not been 'approved' so it would be misleading to claim it is
> 'approved'. (Approval is given by voting on a proposal these days.)
>
> The status might be 'de-facto'.
>
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=trailhead

[Warin]

On 23/2/23 21:18, Peter Elderson wrote:
I would like to change the status of this established tag to approved. 
I have altered the previous proposal 
 to 
match the established practice.



No, it has not been 'approved' so it would be misleading to claim it is 
'approved'. (Approval is given by voting on a proposal these days.)


The status might be 'de-facto'.

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=trailhead

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Am Do., 23. Feb. 2023 um 11:24 Uhr schrieb Peter Elderson <
pelder...@gmail.com>:

> I would like to change the status of this established tag to approved. I
> have altered the previous proposal
>  to
> match the established practice.
>
> Any comments are welcome, but please note that I am not proposing changes
> in mapping.
> I have added one rendering suggestion. The original rendering suggestion
> was a hiker symbol, but trailhead nodes can indicate starting points of
> other recreational routes as well: bicycle/mtb, canoo, horse.
> I have posted this RFC to the new forum
> 
> as well.
>



would there be opposition to change it to "de-facto"?
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