Re: [Tagging] day_on / day_off question

2012-05-07 Thread Jørgen Elgaard Larsen

Martijn van Exel wrote:

See my current try at this here:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/33973144


First of all, you should not use motor_vehicle=private. That does *not* 
mean private vehicles, but rather that motor vehicles are allowed Only 
with permission of the owner on an individual basis


Instead, I would suggest:

  motor_vehicle=no
  motorcar=yes
  goods=no
  tourist_bus=no
  psv=no

As for the date_off and date_on, you should use -MM-DD format. 
Otherwise, it will be impossible for a route planner to parse it. 
(Besides, not all non-USAnians know when Memorial Day is).


But note that date_on/date_off has the year in it, so it is not even 
meant to be used for periodic access. More like when a new road opens, 
or an old one is closed permanently.


day_on/day_off seems only to allow week days, not odd/even/federal_holiday·

There is an old proposed feature to use opening_hours syntax:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extended_conditions_for_access_tags
but it seems to have been abandoned.

Anyway, according to that scheme, it would be tagged as:
   motorcar:(PH 00:00-24:00;Jun 02-30/2 00:00-24:00;Jul 02-30/2 
00:00-24:00; Aug 02-30/2 00:00-24:00; Sep 02-24/2 00:00-24:00)=yes
   bicycle:(Oct-May 00:00-24:00;Jun 01-30/2 00:00-24:00; Jul 01-31/2 
00:00-24:00;Aug 01-30/2 00:00-24:00;Sep 01-30/2 00:00-24:00)=yes


I certainly hope that proposal is not approved in its current form!


As for the note_2: You should really combine the notes in one note tag.



Kind regards


- Elhaard

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Re: [Tagging] day_on / day_off question

2012-05-07 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi,

Thanks for providing your insights, Jørgen.

On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Jørgen Elgaard Larsen j...@elgaard.net wrote:
 Martijn van Exel wrote:

 See my current try at this here:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/33973144


 First of all, you should not use motor_vehicle=private. That does *not* mean
 private vehicles, but rather that motor vehicles are allowed Only with
 permission of the owner on an individual basis

Agreed, that's not the right choice then.

 Instead, I would suggest:

  motor_vehicle=no
  motorcar=yes
  goods=no
  tourist_bus=no
  psv=no

What would you do for the access= then? Nothing? And where does the
bicycle go? And why do you choose these types and not others whose
access is restricted?

 As for the date_off and date_on, you should use -MM-DD format.
 Otherwise, it will be impossible for a route planner to parse it. (Besides,
 not all non-USAnians know when Memorial Day is).

It's not on the same date every year, so that would make that impossible.
I guess anyone who would want to access this road would know, or be
prepared to find out, when Memorial Day is.
I believe it's the last Monday in May, btw.

 But note that date_on/date_off has the year in it, so it is not even meant
 to be used for periodic access. More like when a new road opens, or an old
 one is closed permanently.

 day_on/day_off seems only to allow week days, not odd/even/federal_holiday·

So this particular case could, as I understand it, not be covered by
the current temporal access restrictions scheme?

 There is an old proposed feature to use opening_hours syntax:

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extended_conditions_for_access_tags
 but it seems to have been abandoned.

 Anyway, according to that scheme, it would be tagged as:
   motorcar:(PH 00:00-24:00;Jun 02-30/2 00:00-24:00;Jul 02-30/2 00:00-24:00;
 Aug 02-30/2 00:00-24:00; Sep 02-24/2 00:00-24:00)=yes
   bicycle:(Oct-May 00:00-24:00;Jun 01-30/2 00:00-24:00; Jul 01-31/2
 00:00-24:00;Aug 01-30/2 00:00-24:00;Sep 01-30/2 00:00-24:00)=yes

 I certainly hope that proposal is not approved in its current form!

It looks horrible, and would require a JOSM plugin to be manageable
for the average mapper.

How about 
access:website=http://www.slcclassic.com/utilities/ud_citycreek_reservations.htm#anchor4
This would be unsuitable for routing but would at least give some info
for those who are really looking for it.


 As for the note_2: You should really combine the notes in one note tag.

Ah yes, someone put that in there before me.
Thanks,

-- 
martijn van exel
http://oegeo.wordpress.com

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