[Tagging] Fwd: tag for cel phone credit selling places?
Hi, Coming from mapping in Mongolia in Downtown Ulaanbaatar. There a lot of convenient stores sometimes also sell cellphone credits on scratch-off cards. In other countries it is sold by brand staff in the streets (through scratch-off or by running a USSD from their phone) but here it is a permanent, physical location. Sincerely, Severin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] tag for co-working spaces
Hi, Seems this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coworking does not exist yet. Here is the taginfo situation http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=working_space#values What about a office=co_working_space or office=co-working_space? Sincerely, Severin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Tag for archbishopric?
Hi, Is there a tag for archbishopric or archbishop's palace? And beyond, for any tag related to religious administrative offices? Sincerely, Severin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC 2 - Gambling
Hi, I confirm shop that sell lottery tickets are very common in some countries, eg in Haiti. I uploaded one of my personal photo: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Lottery_haiti_bolet.JPG I put as a caption: This picture shows a lottery shop in Haiti, called bolet. This kind of shop only proposes lottery. Even if some of them have a Bank mention (like this one), they are not banks, only lotteries. Sincerely, Severin Message: 6 Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 14:39:02 + From: Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC 2 - Gambling Message-ID: cad940mqd4hp296jj-bdva4rgsxsrgv7od-c_yzrhaxg-saw...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yes, I agree. The images I linked to are not under an open license of course, but I will ask the Spanish community if someone could take a picture. Would any of the Germans on this list perhaps be able to make a picture of a Lottoladen, prefarable a picture that both shows that it is called 'Lotto' and that it does sell a lot of things beside lottery tickets? -- Matthijs On 1 December 2013 14:20, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote: Thanks for these examples. Probably something like that should be added to the proosal for documentation and further classification. The proposal is very verbose with text, but hasn't much examples and images for clarifications. Adding something like the Images you linked to would be a benefit for the mappers later, but adding counter examples would be, too (like a German Lottoladen with a matching tagging that differs from shop=lottery). regards Peter Am 01.12.2013 14:06, schrieb Matthijs Melissen: On 1 December 2013 09:47, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: The only thing a little strange might be shop=lottery for shops whose main purpose is selling lottery tickets. Maybe I simply have never lived in an area where those exist, but really, I cannot recall of having ever seen a shop like this. IMHO this would better be an attribute (for shops and similar that sell, beside other stuff, also lottery tickets). The tag shop=lottery is currently mainly used in Spain and Latin America, so I suppose these are the regions where such shops exist. They look like this: Brazil: http://allexmoreira.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/grande-inauduracao-da-loterica-trevo-da.html Spain: http://www.azarplus.com/fotos/noticias_fotocabecera_1713.jpg Argentina: http://www.diarioepoca.com/notix2/multimedia/imagenes/fotos/2012-09-26/710194.jpg As you can see, they are very different from German 'Lottoladen'. -- Matthijs ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Fitness centers
Hi, Just discovering how fitness is an incosistent messaccording to this wikipage: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Fitness_centre Quite surprising considering fitness centers are really easy to identify amenities, becoming more and more frequent all around the world. Sincerely, Severin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Tag for livestocks pens
Am 01.09.2014 12:20, schrieb Severin Menard: How should we map the livestock pens in farmyards? barrier = fence And (IMHO): it should be a permanet installation and no temporary thing... Thanks for your answer. Sure for barrier=fence, but it does not say what is inside the fence. The houses have a fence for the people and those ones are for the animals. When it deals with potential epizootics, it is not the same thing. What about pen=yes or run=yes? (I do not find any occurrence in taginfo, though). livestocks=* would serve to mention the kind of penned animals. Regarding the temporary aspect, it is permanent as anything can be permanent there when the houses are made of traditional materials (straw, mud or non heated bricks) and last only a few years, when they are not regularly wiped out when flooding (I am mapping in flood prone areas). Sincerely, Severin -- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 10:50:17 -0400 From: Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] include smoothness=* in JOSM presets? Message-ID: 5fa26a84-0a46-4d89-906b-06de69ec6...@7thposition.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 So I have some thoughts on smoothness… It’s not a terrible tag. I think if we just replace “usable by” with “suitable for” on the wiki, it would be a bit better. We all know that it’s certainly *possible* to take a road bike or inline skates down a pile of rocks, (I do it myself too). That doesn’t mean the map should suggest a person actually try it just because we insist on sticking to a very *literal* definition of “usable by. Try to think of people with wheelchairs, strollers, little kids on a bike with training wheels, etc. The text descriptions make sense to me. The pictures can be improved, and I’m happy to help with that — I have good pictures of all the different smoothness types. How should I proceed with this, just make the change? Thanks, Bryan On Sep 1, 2014, at 8:51 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: First, most of the people using presets (JOSM or ID) don't read the wiki. Tags have to be self-explanatory as much as possible. And even if you explain that smoothness=excellent is for roller blade, I know skaters that could use smoothness=good ways easily. And I'm still waiting some clarifications between very_bad and horrible... We also had long discussions about reducing/simplifying the list of values... I would also like to see at least one application using it, if any. I am not really happy about it, but I was unable to invent something better and it not as bad as say maxspeed:practical. Do we have to choose between bad and worse ? As already mentionned, the skater, biker or car driver will have a totally different idea/view of what a good or bad smoothness is for his means of transport. Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2014 22:27:43 +0200 From: fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] separator for addr:housenumber=* Message-ID: 5404d6bf.8070...@googlemail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Am 24.08.2014 17:10, schrieb Friedrich Volkmann: On 24.08.2014 13:31, Christian Quest wrote: In that case, how should application resolve housenumbers ? What tagging do you propose to allow it ? I wrote down some thoughts here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Features/Multiple_addresses ...although I do now prefer addr2:* instead of addr[2]:*, because the former is more widely used and easier to understand. The easiest way for me still seems to place two nodes each with one address with in the building polygon (or on its perimeter with entrance=*) Concerning number ranges, I think that they should be mapped as they are (i.e. ranges), because that's how they are used in the real world (number plates, addresses in letters, etc.). Well, I had a closer look at my city and found all combinations: 1. two separate buildings with one entrance in common. 2. one housenumber as range (probably former two buildings/lots) 3. one housenumber as range on bigger polygons with single buildings with simple housenumber inside 4. one housenumber as range for multiple single housenumbers I'm working on the BANO project who aims to create a nationwide address database, using in part OSM data. I already have to deal with this kind of addr:housenumber=* For the moment, 265-269 is transformed into 265 and 269 only, but having some tag based clue that we have an odd number range meaning that 267 is located at the same place would be a real benefit
[Tagging] Tag for livestocks pens
Hi, Thanks for providing these links. My comments inline below. Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 14:00:00 +0200 From: Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] Tag for livestocks pens Message-ID: CAKjckOn Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 2:00 PM, cakjckypeq0dtrr-ydwb5hxve44pwmbznk4jy7rp7rwmekwk...@mail.gmail.com tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Re: Tag for livestocks pens (Martin Vonwald) Am 01.09.2014 12:20, schrieb Severin Menard: How should we map the livestock pens in farmyards? barrier = fence And (IMHO): it should be a permanet installation and no temporary thing... Thanks for your answer. Sure for barrier=fence, but it does not say what is inside the fence. The houses have a fence for the people and those ones are for the animals. When it deals with potential epizootics, it is not the same thing. What about pen=yes or run=yes? (I do not find any occurrence in taginfo, though). livestocks=* would serve to mention the kind of penned animals. This should help: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=animal_keeping https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Danimal_keeping Best regards, Martin Actually we have used a landuse=livestocks so far and the issue is we cannot always draw their extent as they can be small (but mapping them remains important), what would lead to just put a node, but this is incompatible with the landuse key. And I do not feel logical to draw a polygon that does not represent the reality. I am wondering if for a node we could not use the combination of: animal_keeping=yes (or animal_keeping=pigs, goats, etc. as suggested animal_keeping:type=* as also suggested and if a polygon is doable: barrier=fence landuse=animal_keeping animal_keeping=pigs, goats, etc. as suggested animal_keeping:type=* as also suggested What do you think? Sincerely, Severin -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20140907/01ebf5d3/attachment-0001.html -- Subject: Digest Footer ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- End of Tagging Digest, Vol 60, Issue 18 *** ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Shop for watches
HI, I did not find anything on the Map Features regarding shop selling watches, what is quite common both in Europe and South America (at least). Most of them arenot shop=watch does not have a high occurrence in Taginfo: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=watch#values Did I miss something? Sincerely, Severin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Buildings blocks
Hi, I would like to know if putting building blocks in OSM should be avoided in all cases. I am currently teaching GIS students in Dakar that have ben required to digitize only building blocks on their area of study. Could this been done on OSM (and in that case how to tag it, as for landuse=residential encompass all the areas covered by building blocks and streets?) or always avoided? I did not find the answer in the wiki. Sincerely, Severin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Money transfer amenities
Hi, In Africa, a frequent amenity in icties and towns focus on money transfer. It can be banks abut also specific amenities (called multi-services in Senegal). THe number of money transfer services is often high, as you see on this picture https://www.flickr.com/photos/14958385@N06/17124979686/in/set-72157651973478205, on the right side of the door (Western Union, Moneygram, Orange, Wari, Ria, Money Express, Joni Joni). There is a proposed tag amenity=money_transfer that is not used a lot (162 occurrences) that IMHO perfectly fits. Related tags could be: money_transfer:western_union=yes money_transfer:moneygram=yes etc. Thoughts? Sincerely, Severin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Amenities for kids parties
Hi, Downtown cities in Brazil often provide places taht can be rent to organize parties for kids with different games. Here are a few sites providing pictures to give you an idea: http://www.playland.com.br/atracoes/ or http://www.clubedacrianca.com.br/?a=Diversao Would leisure=kids_parties fit? Sincerely, Severin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Buildings mixing residential and commercial use
Hi, Is there a way to tag properly buildings mixing residential and commercial uses (typically shops on the basement opening on the street)? Building=commercial is defined as A building where non-specific commercial activities take place, that does not describe what are the other activities taking place. This specific type of building is mixing commercial and residential activities is very common and would thus really deserve to be clearly mapped. ANy siggestion? Sincerely, Severin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Places for rent for personal events
Hi, is there a tag for places that are specifically for rent to organize social events, private or public (parties, birthdays, etc.)? In Brazil they have a name (ex Casa do Sol) with an indication for their use (casa de eventos, literally house of events). Sincerely, Severin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Places for rent for personal events
Hi, It seems indeed to fit perfectly, thanks! Unfortunately, it is not listed neither in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:amenity nor in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features and shows up only at 20th place if "events" if searched on the wiki (with event it is beyond the first page of answers). I am wondering how many tags may be hidden this way. Sincerely, Severin Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 07:21:20 +0900 > From: John Willis> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Places for rent for personal events > Message-ID: <66a7d71a-c128-4384-8104-63bc2fb79...@mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > > On Feb 15, 2017, at 4:56 AM, Marc Gemis wrote: > > > > see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Devents_venue > > +1 > > I think that is the tag created just for that situation. > > > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Creation of the tagging-fr list
Hi, This email to inform you about the creation of the tagging-fr OSM mailing list for the discussions about tagging between French speaking people, facilitating the exchanges on that topic for all those that are more French than English speaker and allowing, at last, the contribution from the mappers that are not much or not at all English speakers (or rather writers). Of course, these discussions about tagging in French will be about OSM tags in English. And once a discussion will come to what seems a meaningful proposition, it will be brought to the broader tagging list. It aims at providing a better contribution regarding the OSM tagging from French speakers, about the various, specific French contexts in the world but also about the generic tags. Surprisingly, it seems this is the first tagging list dedicated to a specific language community. We will see if others are keen on following the same path. Severin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] shop=fashion
Hi, IMHO, I would drop shop=boutique because it is one of the most confusing tag, especially in French-speaking contexts. Basically in French from France, boutique is a generic word meaning shop. More than what it sells, it designates the place, generally not very large ("magasin" would then more used). A French butcher tells to his/her family after the breakfast: "Have a good day everyonem, I will open the boutique now". We have an expression for "boutique de" (literally shop of) something, that can be used for clothes from which I guess derivates the shop=boutique concept. Is it only in the Anglo-sphere that the word boutique means this or also in other cultural contexts? Eg in Brazil as far as I know people do not use boutique, while they are quite fond of French words (like maison meaning house) for shops that want to be considered as "chique". In French-speaking African countries, this generic word is massively used for the most generic shop by far: a small convenience store, selling food and non food items all over the walls, up to the ceiling, where you ask at a desk what you want. This makes it a kind of kiosk, even if many are not separate shops but taking one part of the basement of a building. And they are not chic at all. And they are very, very numerous: in a large city you find one every 50 or 100 meters. For sure there are more African boutiques in the world than the boutiques of hand-made fashion clothes. Of course, new African contributors in these countries logically use shop=boutique for their own cultural reality so some streets in Africa are full of false-cognates. So IMHO I would tag these fashionable shop the most generic way as possible, not reflecting only one specific cultural context and avoiding using boutique. I think a subtag to differentiate ready-to-wear and hand-made would fit. What do you think? Sincerely, Severin Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 14:42:38 +1000 > From: Graeme Fitzpatrick> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > > Subject: Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion > Message-ID: > x...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi > > Just consulted with an authority in these matters - my wife! :-) > > Her take: > > shop=clothes is chain stores (ie same shop in multiple shopping centres / > towns) aimed at lower-middle end of the market > > shop=fashion is middle - higher end, but still chain stores > > shop=boutique is "one-off" shops eg selling hand-made rather than > mass-produced clothes; niche / speciality items etc > > Hope that helps? > > > Thanks > > Graeme > > > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3
> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 12:48:25 +0200 > From: Jean-Marc Liotier> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > > Subject: Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique > Message-ID: <20170901124825.76716...@manantali.encara.local.ads> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > I still don't understand the need for anything other than shop=clothes > used with assorted modifiers. Fashion is subjective and I do not see > why exclusive distribution channels should be tagged differently as > they are essentially clothes shop with no price tags and an attitude. > > shop=car covers both the average Volskwagen dealership and the workshop > that sells handmade locally built overpriced exotics with golden urinal > that you never heard of. Why should it be different for clothes ? > +1 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] shop=fashion
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 05:35:14 +0200 > From: Marc Gemis> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > > Subject: Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion > Message-ID: >