Re: [Tails-dev] dconf-editor dropped, gedit-plugins, systemd, w32codecs

[Austin English]

On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 9:36 PM,  <maddonkeyk...@safe-mail.net> wrote:
>  Original Message 
> From: Austin English <austinengl...@gmail.com>
> Apparently from: tails-dev-boun...@boum.org
> To: The Tails public development discussion list <tails-dev@boum.org>
> Subject: Re: [Tails-dev] dconf-editor dropped, gedit-plugins, 
> systemd,w32codecs
> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 20:44:40 -0600
>
>> TL;DR: I think we should ship as many codecs as we can, to allow as
>> wide of access to media as possible.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 4:38 AM, intrigeri <intrig...@boum.org> wrote:
>> > Austin English wrote (07 Mar 2016 03:05:46 GMT) :
>> >> That said, including win32 codecs is probably worthwhile.
>
> RE: win32 codecs - I agree. So let's say we have win32 codecs installed. Can 
> Totem handle these codecs, or do we need to install another video player?

It can, totem uses gstreamer.

> Now regardless of video player, there are a few different browser plugins 
> available in the repos to directly handle these codecs. The problem is, you 
> probably don't want these to load into Tor Browser.
>
> So what could be used instead? The unsafe browser or a separate profile or 
> browser with the codecs and plugin capability?

I think wma encoded videos embedded online are probably quite rare,
and are a separate use case from supporting them with totem.

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Re: [Tails-dev] dconf-editor dropped, gedit-plugins, systemd, w32codecs

[maddonkeykong]

 Original Message 
From: Austin English <austinengl...@gmail.com>
Apparently from: tails-dev-boun...@boum.org
To: The Tails public development discussion list <tails-dev@boum.org>
Subject: Re: [Tails-dev] dconf-editor dropped, gedit-plugins, systemd,w32codecs
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 20:44:40 -0600

> TL;DR: I think we should ship as many codecs as we can, to allow as
> wide of access to media as possible.
> 
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 4:38 AM, intrigeri <intrig...@boum.org> wrote:
> > Austin English wrote (07 Mar 2016 03:05:46 GMT) :
> >> That said, including win32 codecs is probably worthwhile.

RE: win32 codecs - I agree. So let's say we have win32 codecs installed. Can 
Totem handle these codecs, or do we need to install another video player?

Now regardless of video player, there are a few different browser plugins 
available in the repos to directly handle these codecs. The problem is, you 
probably don't want these to load into Tor Browser.

So what could be used instead? The unsafe browser or a separate profile or 
browser with the codecs and plugin capability?
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Re: [Tails-dev] dconf-editor dropped, gedit-plugins, systemd, w32codecs

[maddonkeykong]

minor correction from the mail I just sent:

the opening line of my research page should read:

dconf-editor mysterious disappearance in 2.0.1 solved! dconf-tools is missing!

and not:

dconf-tools mysterious disappearance in 2.0.1 solved! dconf-tools is missing!
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Re: [Tails-dev] dconf-editor dropped, gedit-plugins, systemd, w32codecs

[maddonkeykong]

 Original Message 
From: intrigeri <intrig...@boum.org>
Apparently from: tails-dev-boun...@boum.org
To: Anonymous <anonym...@hoi-polloi.org>
Cc: tails-dev@boum.org
Subject: Re: [Tails-dev] dconf-editor dropped, gedit-plugins, systemd,w32codecs
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2016 11:38:27 +0100

> Hi,
> 
> Anonymous wrote (07 Mar 2016 01:17:01 GMT) :
> > 1. Why was dconf-editor dropped from Tails?
> 
> According to our Git history, we've never shipped it in Tails.
[SNIP]

I did some research on this and yes the 'dconf-editor' program was installed, 
but not directly. The package which did install it has been removed in 2.0.1. I 
have not yet tried 2.2 but I assume the situation is the same.

Here's what I found:

###
dconf-tools mysterious disappearance in 2.0.1 solved! dconf-tools is missing!

(A) Let's look in Tails 1.8.1
(B) Let's look in Tails 2.0.1
(C) Let's look at Debian's site
(D) In closing
###

(A) Let's look in Tails 1.8.1:

$ cat /etc/*release
TAILS_PRODUCT_NAME="Tails"
TAILS_VERSION_ID="1.8.1"

##

$ dpkg -l | grep dconf-tools
ii  dconf-tools 0.12.1-3 i386 simple configuration storage system - utilities

##

Synaptic -> Settings -> Preferences -> Appearance -> Show package properties in 
the main window

##

selected package: dconf-tools
clicked on the Installed Files tab
one of the binaries is called, "dconf-editor"

##

dconf-editor is listed in Applications->System Tools as "dconf Editor"

##

$ whereis dconf-editor
dconf-editor: /usr/bin/dconf-editor /usr/bin/X11/dconf-editor 
/usr/share/dconf-editor

###

(B) Let's look in Tails 2.0.1:

$ cat /etc/*release
TAILS_PRODUCT_NAME="Tails"
TAILS_VERSION_ID="2.0.1"

##

$ dpkg -l | grep dconf
ii  dconf-cli0.22.0-1   
  i386 simple configuration storage system - utilities
ii  dconf-gsettings-backend:i386 0.22.0-1   
  i386 simple configuration storage system - GSettings back-end
ii  dconf-service0.22.0-1   
  i386 simple configuration storage system - D-Bus service
ii  libdconf1:i386

- None of the above packages contain the dconf-editor program.
- The package 'dconf-tools' is missing in Tails 2.0.1 but available in 1.8.1

###

(C) Let's look at Debian's site:

https://packages.debian.org/jessie/dconf-tools

Package: dconf-tools (0.22.0-1) 
transitional dummy package
DConf is a low-level key/value database designed for storing desktop 
environment settings. 
This package is a transitional package installing dconf-cli and dconf-editor, 
it can safely be removed

Other Packages Related to dconf-tools
dep: dconf-cli 
dep: dconf-editor 

###

(D) In closing, a few of the most recent but older versions had 'dconf-tools' 
installed,
which supplied the dconf-editor program.

I'd like to request 'dconf-tools' to return again, so we can use 'dconf-editor'.

Thank you for your support.
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Re: [Tails-dev] dconf-editor dropped, gedit-plugins, systemd, w32codecs

[Austin English]

Well, as emmapeel said when libdvdcss originally was discussed:
"I think access to culture is a very important right for people, and I
would be happy that Tails helps to make access to restricted/corporate
culture more easy, providing a framework to criticize it and create
their own."

https://mailman.boum.org/pipermail/tails-dev/2015-August/009320.html

I remember years ago reading on vlc's forum about some camcorders that
recorded by default to wmv format, but I can't seem to find a link.
Regardless, I highly suspect some non-zero number of devices records
video in proprietary formats by default and may be unaccessible to
activists using Tails. Furthermore, even if they don't directly come
from freshly made video, there is plenty of wmv video out there that
would be made accessible.

TL;DR: I think we should ship as many codecs as we can, to allow as
wide of access to media as possible.

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 4:38 AM, intrigeri  wrote:
> Austin English wrote (07 Mar 2016 03:05:46 GMT) :
>> That said, including win32 codecs is probably worthwhile.
>
> Don't hesitate elaborating if you think it's worth it :)
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Re: [Tails-dev] dconf-editor dropped, gedit-plugins, systemd, w32codecs

[intrigeri]

Hi,

Anonymous wrote (07 Mar 2016 01:17:01 GMT) :
> 1. Why was dconf-editor dropped from Tails?

According to our Git history, we've never shipped it in Tails.

> 2. gedit-plugins

> This is a good package to have installed.

Please start there:

https://tails.boum.org/doc/advanced_topics/additional_software/

"Can my favourite software be included in Tails?" in our FAQ:
https://tails.boum.org/support/faq/

> 3. Systemd private directories in /tmp

> Why are there so many "systemd-private-" directories in /tmp

I guess it has to do with systemd's PrivateTmp= security feature.
If you're more curious than that, I suggest checking in the systemd
source code.

Cheers,
-- 
intrigeri
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Re: [Tails-dev] dconf-editor dropped, gedit-plugins, systemd, w32codecs

[Austin English]

On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Anonymous  wrote:
> 1. Why was dconf-editor dropped from Tails?
>
> I found it very useful in previous versions of Tails.
> Please reintroduce it in the next version of Tails.
>
> 2. gedit-plugins
>
> This is a good package to have installed.
>
> 3. Systemd private directories in /tmp
>
> Why are there so many "systemd-private-" directories in /tmp
> There's systemd-private(long string of numbers and letters) with
> the following:
>
> -colord.service-
> -htpdate.service-
> -tails-reconfigure-kexec.service-
> -tails-sdmem-on-media-removal.service-
> -tor-controlport-filter.service-
> -tor@default.service-
>
> 4. win32 codecs
>
> If you're shipping libdvdcss2, why haven't you included
> the win32 codecs like the official MPlayer website has on
> their download page?

That was for https://labs.riseup.net/code/issues/7674, which
specifically requested. win32 codecs aren't needed for dvd playback.

That said, including win32 codecs is probably worthwhile.

-- 
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