Re: [GTALUG] help moving a hard drive into a different computer?

2023-09-25 Thread Don Tai via talk
How different is your old computer from your new computer? How old is your
old computer?

On Mon, 25 Sept 2023 at 19:09, Karen Lewellen via talk 
wrote:

> Hi folks,
> Sorry rather behind.
> request is simple, as  my short term computer solution is starting to
> fail.
> while a new one is being built for me, I have no  idea  of that timeline.
> between  the landline issue and my cell phone having someone accessing
> its sim code to dial it remotely, my computers are my  contact with the
> outside world.
> Task will be simple for  a knowledgeable person.
> Any ideas?
> Freecycle cafe used to be terrific for such small tasks, no idea of a good
> door now however.
> Thanks,
> Karen
>
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Re: [GTALUG] help moving a hard drive into a different computer?

2023-09-25 Thread BCLUG via talk

Karen Lewellen via talk wrote on 2023-09-25 16:09:

I'm afraid I'm a bit far away to be able to assist with installing a 
hard drive in person, but this caught my eye:



my cell phone having someone accessing its sim code to dial it remotely


I'm going to guess your phone number is showing up in the call display 
on other phones?


If that's accurate, it's just spoofing of the call display system. As 
far as I know, it's extremely unlikely someone's accessed you SIM card 
remotely.


That would require you to be a target of a nation-state level adversary, 
and even then might be unlikely.



But spoofing call display info is trivial for robo-callers, spammers, 
and scammers.



So, unless anyone points out errors in my understanding, you can 
probably rest assured that your mobile device is safe.




Best of luck with the hard drive,

Ron (rb)

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[GTALUG] help moving a hard drive into a different computer?

2023-09-25 Thread Karen Lewellen via talk

Hi folks,
Sorry rather behind.
request is simple, as  my short term computer solution is starting to 
fail.

while a new one is being built for me, I have no  idea  of that timeline.
between  the landline issue and my cell phone having someone accessing 
its sim code to dial it remotely, my computers are my  contact with the 
outside world.

Task will be simple for  a knowledgeable person.
Any ideas?
Freecycle cafe used to be terrific for such small tasks, no idea of a good 
door now however.

Thanks,
Karen

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Re: [GTALUG] why I like shared libraries -- no longer a popular position

2023-09-25 Thread Scott Allen via talk
Many years ago, I used Gentoo Linux as my primary O/S. I often wonder
if I should try it again. It's a source based, rolling release
distribution. Packages are compiled locally and usually dynamically
linked to shared libraries. If a package isn't compatible with the
latest release of a given library, it can be linked to an earlier
version.

The problem I had with Gentoo was that a fair amount of work was
required to maintain the system, both by the user and with the time
needed for compiles (especially if a change triggered the need to
recompile a majority of the packages). If something broke, either
during compiling or when running, it could sometimes be frustrating
hunting down the fix or waiting for someone to solve the problem.
Having not used it for some time, I'm not sure if things have gotten
better in this respect.

It can also take some effort deciding and fiddling with how you want
to tailor it to your liking.

However, I found it was quite a nice system to use when things were
working properly.

https://www.gentoo.org/

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Scott
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Re: [GTALUG] why I like shared libraries -- no longer a popular position

2023-09-25 Thread Dave Collier-Brown via talk

On 9/25/23 10:19, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:


| From: David Collier-Brown via talk 

In this case, a simple bug needs to be fixed.  No interface change.  The
number of packages to update is the number with copies of this buggy code.
Copies count, references (shred libraries) are free.


The workaround for the hard problem was to use static linking, which
makes distributing bug-fixes painfully difficult. That was one of the
major motivations for shared libraries in the first place.


I guess that I've been spoiled by C's maturity.  The core libraries tend
to mutate slowly and the Committee has as a base that revisions should not
break programs (but they may break implementations).


At Sun, we committed a 5-person team under a founder (David J. Brown) to
beating immature changes into the ground.  It was too dangerous to leave
to a volunteer community, although numerous volunteer efforts helped us
greatly.

--dave

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Re: [GTALUG] why I like shared libraries -- no longer a popular position

2023-09-25 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
| From: David Collier-Brown via talk 

In this case, a simple bug needs to be fixed.  No interface change.  The 
number of packages to update is the number with copies of this buggy code.  
Copies count, references (shred libraries) are free.

Not as easy when interface changes (not additions) are desired or 
required.

| People discovered that there was an NP-complete problem with competing
| versions of library functions, but instead of addressing it, they kluged
| around it with static linking, snaps and flatpacks. And ended up with a
| different problem, as Hugh noted.

I guess that I've been spoiled by C's maturity.  The core libraries tend 
to mutate slowly and the Committee has as a base that revisions should not 
break programs (but they may break implementations).

(I think that they failed badly in this when the negated the promise of 
int max_t.  They refused to break ABIs so they broke programs.  Better to 
have eliminated intmax_t (a noisy change) than break it (a silent 
change).)

Languages like Rust and Go have libraries that have evolved and must 
evolve relatively quickly.  Even the core libraries.

In Linux, we see how major versions of GTK have stranded a variety of 
programs.  The switch from X11 to Wayland has also been difficult.

As time goes on, more of our work is adjusting to change rather than 
building change.  We don't write programs, we assemble them.  Then we have 
to shepherd the assembly through time.  A different skill set, one that I 
haven't developed well.

So: anything that makes this easier to do safely would be good.
Avoiding a problem (not just putting it off) is great.
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