Re: [GTALUG] Canadian hosting?
Microsoft owned an Irish firm, and the US government made MS provide data from there, over Ireland's objections. If MS hadn't owned it, the US would have had to ask the Irish government to seize it, which apparently is more work that telling MS to surrender it. --dave On 4/14/23 06:54, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 1:01 AM Kevin Cozens via talk wrote: On 2023-04-11 09:13, Stewart Russell via talk wrote: US ownership is fine: There was a big fuss some years ago about the US government being able to force ISPs to provide access to users accounts, or something like that. I don't remember the specifics but it was enough that I went with a Canadian owned company. The situation may have changed since then and they may not have as easy access to peoples data as they did back then. -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest dave.collier-br...@indexexchange.com | -- Mark Twain CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE AND DISCLAIMER : This telecommunication, including any and all attachments, contains confidential information intended only for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any dissemination, distribution, copying or disclosure is strictly prohibited and is not a waiver of confidentiality. If you have received this telecommunication in error, please notify the sender immediately by return electronic mail and delete the message from your inbox and deleted items folders. This telecommunication does not constitute an express or implied agreement to conduct transactions by electronic means, nor does it constitute a contract offer, a contract amendment or an acceptance of a contract offer. Contract terms contained in this telecommunication are subject to legal review and the completion of formal documentation and are not binding until same is confirmed in writing and has been signed by an authorized signatory. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Canadian hosting?
On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 1:01 AM Kevin Cozens via talk wrote: > > On 2023-04-11 09:13, Stewart Russell via talk wrote: > > US ownership is fine: > > There was a big fuss some years ago about the US government being able to > force ISPs to provide access to users accounts, or something like that. I > don't remember the specifics but it was enough that I went with a Canadian > owned company. The situation may have changed since then and they may not > have as easy access to peoples data as they did back then. > > AFAIK nothing has changed. IIRC part of the bruha was due to the IRS pushing its nose into 'everyone's' business. A US company is subject to US regulations so if their authorities say cough up - - - -well most companies find it far easier to just cough up. Doesn't matter that you are in Canuckistan and so is your company - - - - your data/website/whatever is NOT - - - - so you are now also subject to American regulations. IMO its bad enough trying to placate the powers that be here - - - - trying to keep a second set happy without that being a deliberate choice (actual physical export of product) - - - - my question would be why. So I would suggest that using an ISP based here is a good idea. (One never knows when some bureaucratic entity decides to go on a rampage - - - and its even harder to follow when its now not even part of one's national information system - - - - if you think I'm full of it - - - - look into the trucking industry and California and there is LOTS of freight moving to and from there from here.) Regards --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Canadian hosting?
On 2023-04-11 09:13, Stewart Russell via talk wrote: US ownership is fine: There was a big fuss some years ago about the US government being able to force ISPs to provide access to users accounts, or something like that. I don't remember the specifics but it was enough that I went with a Canadian owned company. The situation may have changed since then and they may not have as easy access to peoples data as they did back then. -- Cheers! Kevin. https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | "Nerds make the shiny things that | distract the mouth-breathers, and Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | that's why we're powerful" #include | --Chris Hardwick --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Canadian hosting?
On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 08:15:30PM -0400, Stewart Russell via talk wrote: > On Tue., Apr. 11, 2023, 19:59 Znoteer via talk, wrote: > > > > > > > baremetal.ca > > > Thanks. They don't seem to offer servers, though. We also are settled on > Digital Ocean. Ah, sorry about that. Looks like they've evolved since 1997. Servers used to be their thing. Glad you found something that works. -- Znoteer znot...@mailbox.org --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Canadian hosting?
Znoteer via talk wrote on 2023-04-11 16:58: baremetal.ca They're in BC. Cool - I hadn't heard of them. Oh, looks like they do "web hosting" but I don't see VPSs listed. Also, I just cannot do business with companies that think including emoji / smiley faces in official company documents is something one does. I may have an unpopular opinion on that matter, but it's not an incorrect opinion. Who's with me? There's room atop this hill for us all to die upon. rb --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Canadian hosting?
On Tue., Apr. 11, 2023, 19:59 Znoteer via talk, wrote: > > > baremetal.ca Thanks. They don't seem to offer servers, though. We also are settled on Digital Ocean. Stewart > > --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Canadian hosting?
On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 03:14:06PM -0400, Stewart C. Russell via talk wrote: > I know that Akamai Cloud (formerly Linode) has dedicated root Linux servers > in Toronto, but is there anyone else non-terrible*? There's a potential > client who absolutely must have all data and processing hosted in Canada. I > realize there's probably a 3x (or more) premium for in-country hosting. > > Any suggestions/caveats greatly appreciated. baremetal.ca They're in BC. The founder/owner was a member of VLUG back in 97ish. That's how I know of them. Never used their services, but am likely going to transfer some domains names to them when they get close to expiring. -- Znoteer znot...@mailbox.org --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Canadian hosting?
On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 8:40 AM Giles Orr via talk wrote: > On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 at 15:16, Alex Kink via talk wrote: > > > > Digital Ocean, ... > > I second the Digital Ocean suggestion > Thanks, all! Looks like Digital Ocean has exactly what we need at a price we can work with. US ownership is fine: the only ownership problem a very few of our clients have is China. They provide services in turn to the US government, so if they want to be xenophobic, that's their problem. It's been fun times engineering out US-disapproved products. We were just about to roll out an ESP32-based controller, but that got noped out by a client. A shame, because what you can do with a $2 ESP32 used to take a small server. (None of them are big enough to run Linux, tho) cheers, Stewart --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Canadian hosting?
On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 at 15:16, Alex Kink via talk wrote: > > Digital Ocean, Vultr, OVHcloud have data centres in Toronto or Montreal. > > > On Apr 10, 2023, at 15:14, Stewart C. Russell via talk > > wrote: > > > > I know that Akamai Cloud (formerly Linode) has dedicated root Linux servers > > in Toronto, but is there anyone else non-terrible*? There's a potential > > client who absolutely must have all data and processing hosted in Canada. I > > realize there's probably a 3x (or more) premium for in-country hosting. > > > > Any suggestions/caveats greatly appreciated. I second the Digital Ocean suggestion: I use them heavily both at work and personally (gilesorr.com mentioned in my email signature is hosted there), with all machines in their Toronto data centre. We've used them for approximately seven years (the Toronto presence is only about five years old), and they've been excellent. I think we should point out one caveat: D.O. is American-owned. Although if you were considering Akamai/Linode, I guess that's okay. -- Giles https://www.gilesorr.com/ giles...@gmail.com --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Canadian hosting?
On 2023-04-10 15:14, Stewart C. Russell via talk wrote: I know that Akamai Cloud (formerly Linode) has dedicated root Linux servers in Toronto, but is there anyone else non-terrible*? There's a potential client who absolutely must have all data and processing hosted in Canada. I realize there's probably a 3x (or more) premium for in-country hosting. I use Canadian Web Hosting to host my web pages but I haven't used them for a dedicated servers. For dedicated servers I currently admin a machine that is provided by Linode. In the past I have used cari.net for dedicated servers. IIRC, cari.net prices were (and may still be) higher than other hosting companies. -- Cheers! Kevin. https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | "Nerds make the shiny things that | distract the mouth-breathers, and Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | that's why we're powerful" #include | --Chris Hardwick --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Canadian hosting?
On 4/10/23 15:14, Stewart C. Russell via talk wrote: I know that Akamai Cloud (formerly Linode) has dedicated root Linux servers in Toronto, but is there anyone else non-terrible*? There's a potential client who absolutely must have all data and processing hosted in Canada. I realize there's probably a 3x (or more) premium for in-country hosting. Any suggestions/caveats greatly appreciated. I have a few clients who also have requirements to have data hosted in Canada. AWS, Azure and DigitalOcean have Canadian based data centers. Not sure but I would bet that IBM's cloud offering also has the ability of hosting in Canada. Estrxture(https://www.estruxture.com/) is what use to be Peer1 also claims to have a cloud offering and have data centers in Toronto. -- Alvin Starr || land: (647)478-6285 Netvel Inc. || Cell: (416)806-0133 al...@netvel.net || --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Canadian hosting?
Stewart C. Russell via talk wrote on 2023-04-10 12:14: I know that Akamai Cloud (formerly Linode) has dedicated root Linux servers in Toronto, but is there anyone else non-terrible*? There's a potential client who absolutely must have all data and processing hosted in Canada. I realize there's probably a 3x (or more) premium for in-country hosting. Any suggestions/caveats greatly appreciated. Promos abound for Linode via various Linux / OSS podcasts, i.e.: https://latenightlinux.com/ > Go to https://linode.com/latenightlinux and get started with $100 > credit. There's also Canadian Web Hosting - not just located in Canada but Canadian-owned, from $7 CDN / month: https://www.canadianwebhosting.com/vps https://www.canadianwebhosting.com/hosting/compare_our_products/ I can only endorse the LNL podcast, no personal experience with any of these hosting providers... rb --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Canadian hosting?
not many options: planethoster out of MTL https://www.planethoster.com/en/The-Company On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 at 15:14, Stewart C. Russell via talk wrote: > I know that Akamai Cloud (formerly Linode) has dedicated root Linux > servers in Toronto, but is there anyone else non-terrible*? There's a > potential client who absolutely must have all data and processing hosted > in Canada. I realize there's probably a 3x (or more) premium for > in-country hosting. > > Any suggestions/caveats greatly appreciated. > > Best Wishes, > Stewart > > *: your definition is fine. I don't know enough to have an opinion > --- > Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org > Unsubscribe from this mailing list > https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Canadian hosting?
Digital Ocean, Vultr, OVHcloud have data centres in Toronto or Montreal. > On Apr 10, 2023, at 15:14, Stewart C. Russell via talk > wrote: > > I know that Akamai Cloud (formerly Linode) has dedicated root Linux servers > in Toronto, but is there anyone else non-terrible*? There's a potential > client who absolutely must have all data and processing hosted in Canada. I > realize there's probably a 3x (or more) premium for in-country hosting. > > Any suggestions/caveats greatly appreciated. > > Best Wishes, > Stewart > > *: your definition is fine. I don't know enough to have an opinion > --- > Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org > Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
[GTALUG] Canadian hosting?
I know that Akamai Cloud (formerly Linode) has dedicated root Linux servers in Toronto, but is there anyone else non-terrible*? There's a potential client who absolutely must have all data and processing hosted in Canada. I realize there's probably a 3x (or more) premium for in-country hosting. Any suggestions/caveats greatly appreciated. Best Wishes, Stewart *: your definition is fine. I don't know enough to have an opinion --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
