Re: [GTALUG] How do you send out email?
On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 9:30 PM Slackrat via talk wrote: > > > On 02/05/2021 08:28 AM, Peter King via talk wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 04, 2021 at 03:20:37PM +, William Park via talk wrote: > > >The solution that worked for Fetchmail is not working for Sendmail. I >guess, it's time for upgrade to Postfix. But, I suspect, I'll have the >same problem. >So, bigger question for you guys... >- How do you send out email? via Postfix/Sendmail? Or, via >Thunderbird? > > My Mail is currently sent out via Thunderbird. > > After using Emacs/GNUS for many years I have finally had to abandon it for > mail unfortunately because at 81 years my eyes cannot handle the tiny print > on the menu bars. Claws I tried but although it will automatically bring in > GNUS mails I abandoned > it for several reasons. I, for one, would be interested in knowing why you did not continue with Claws. TIA --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] How do you send out email?
On 02/05/2021 08:28 AM, Peter King via talk wrote: On Thu, Feb 04, 2021 at 03:20:37PM +, William Park via talk wrote: The solution that worked for Fetchmail is not working for Sendmail. I guess, it's time for upgrade to Postfix. But, I suspect, I'll have the same problem. So, bigger question for you guys... - How do you send out email? via Postfix/Sendmail? Or, via Thunderbird? My Mail is currently sent out via Thunderbird. After using Emacs/GNUS for many years I have finally had to abandon it for mail unfortunately because at 81 years my eyes cannot handle the tiny print on the menu bars. Claws I tried but although it will automatically bring in GNUS mails I abandoned it for several reasons. - How do you read your emails? via Fetchmail/Mutt? Or, via Thunderbird? Mail currently is read on Thunderbird but I was using Fetchmail/Sendmail with GNUS I use getmail (a great step up from fetchmail), msmtp, and mutt. That combination works with Rogers and even with the University's hopeless MS Outlook mail management system. Sendmail weighs a ton, and Postfix isn't small either; msmtp = minimal smtp is enough for my needs. All my mail is sent via Thunderbird using SMTP2GO. Smtp is an application beloved of the Spammers. It gets the mail out, no Ifs, Ands or Buts. And if your output is less than 1K a month, it is completely free. Fetchmail and Sendmail served me well for many years with GNUS. The following is anecdotal, but might be of use to someone: I use version 45 of Thunderbird because the Menu Bars are legible to me. Gmail is a problem because V45 Thunderbird will not handle Authorization with Gmail so I had to Kluge it by setting my Gmail account to enable POP and selecting "delete" mails on the Gmail server. Thunderbird V45 rejects a standard account setup as it will not handle the OAuth 2.0 protocol so it's necessary to Kludge and select "Advanced" setup and select NTML as the Authorization Method which permits the addition of the Gmail account to the Thunderbird listing. A filter on whatever account you set Gmail to forward to puts the mail in the Gmail account on Thunderbird and permits the handling of Gmails normally. If there's a better way, I would certainly like to know. -- Slackrat 9HS5203 on HamSphere radio (HS4 on 2Meters is favourite) --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] How do you send out email?
On Thu, Feb 04, 2021 at 03:20:37PM +, William Park via talk wrote: >The solution that worked for Fetchmail is not working for Sendmail. I >guess, it's time for upgrade to Postfix. But, I suspect, I'll have the >same problem. >So, bigger question for you guys... >- How do you send out email? via Postfix/Sendmail? Or, via >Thunderbird? >- How do you read your emails? via Fetchmail/Mutt? Or, via >Thunderbird? I use getmail (a great step up from fetchmail), msmtp, and mutt. That combination works with Rogers and even with the University's hopeless MS Outlook mail management system. Sendmail weighs a ton, and Postfix isn't small either; msmtp = minimal smtp is enough for my needs. YMMV. -- Peter King peter.k...@utoronto.ca Department of Philosophy 170 St. George Street #521 The University of Toronto (416)-946-3170 ofc Toronto, ON M5R 2M8 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ = GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 signature.asc Description: PGP signature --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
[GTALUG] How do you send out email?
It turns out upgrading to Postfix is not as easy as I thought. I have to upgrade/install shit load of libraries... might as well upgrade the distro. I tried Thunderbird, and it does work. But, it's not much different from using web! --William --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] How do you send out email?
On 02/04/2021 08:42 AM, Alvin Starr via talk wrote: Nearly all mail providers require a login. That is often username/password but it can be things like username/auth-key. So your mail sender will require the ability to do SMTP-Auth. After that most providers limit the email sent to be from the email address you used to login. I recently moved about 20 email accounts to various providers and that was all I needed to do to make sure I could send mail. All the work I did was using Postfix but I am sure you could get the same result with any other mainstream mail package. Just sign up with SMTP2GO Your troubles will be over Slackrat --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] How do you send out email?
On Thu, Feb 04, 2021 at 03:20:37PM +, William Park via talk wrote: > Hi all, > pop.mail.yahoo.ca was rejecting my login while back, but I was able to > generate "password" at Yahoo site, and got Fetchmail working again. Now, > smtp.mail.yahoo.ca, which I've been using as my outgoing server (SMART_HOST > in Sendmail speak), is also rejecting my connection: > > - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - > > (reason: 554 Email rejected) > > - Transcript of session follows - > ... while talking to smtp.mail.yahoo.ca: > >>> MAIL From: SIZE=865 AUTH=<> > <<< 554 Email rejected > 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable > > The solution that worked for Fetchmail is not working for Sendmail. I guess, > it's time for upgrade to Postfix. But, I suspect, I'll have the same problem. > So, bigger question for you guys... > - How do you send out email? via Postfix/Sendmail? Or, via Thunderbird? > - How do you read your emails? via Fetchmail/Mutt? Or, via Thunderbird? Are you using these settings: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/pop-access-settings-instructions-yahoo-mail-sln4724.html So definitely using authentication and ssl or tls. -- Len Sorensen --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] How do you send out email?
Nearly all mail providers require a login. That is often username/password but it can be things like username/auth-key. So your mail sender will require the ability to do SMTP-Auth. After that most providers limit the email sent to be from the email address you used to login. I recently moved about 20 email accounts to various providers and that was all I needed to do to make sure I could send mail. All the work I did was using Postfix but I am sure you could get the same result with any other mainstream mail package. On 2/4/21 10:20 AM, William Park via talk wrote: Hi all, pop.mail.yahoo.ca was rejecting my login while back, but I was able to generate "password" at Yahoo site, and got Fetchmail working again. Now, smtp.mail.yahoo.ca, which I've been using as my outgoing server (SMART_HOST in Sendmail speak), is also rejecting my connection: - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - (reason: 554 Email rejected) - Transcript of session follows - ... while talking to smtp.mail.yahoo.ca: >>> MAIL From: SIZE=865 AUTH=<> <<< 554 Email rejected 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable The solution that worked for Fetchmail is not working for Sendmail. I guess, it's time for upgrade to Postfix. But, I suspect, I'll have the same problem. So, bigger question for you guys... - How do you send out email? via Postfix/Sendmail? Or, via Thunderbird? - How do you read your emails? via Fetchmail/Mutt? Or, via Thunderbird? --William Park --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk -- Alvin Starr || land: (647)478-6285 Netvel Inc. || Cell: (416)806-0133 al...@netvel.net || --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
[GTALUG] How do you send out email?
Hi all, pop.mail.yahoo.ca was rejecting my login while back, but I was able to generate "password" at Yahoo site, and got Fetchmail working again. Now, smtp.mail.yahoo.ca, which I've been using as my outgoing server (SMART_HOST in Sendmail speak), is also rejecting my connection: - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - (reason: 554 Email rejected) - Transcript of session follows - ... while talking to smtp.mail.yahoo.ca: >>> MAIL From: SIZE=865 AUTH=<> <<< 554 Email rejected 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable The solution that worked for Fetchmail is not working for Sendmail. I guess, it's time for upgrade to Postfix. But, I suspect, I'll have the same problem. So, bigger question for you guys... - How do you send out email? via Postfix/Sendmail? Or, via Thunderbird? - How do you read your emails? via Fetchmail/Mutt? Or, via Thunderbird? --William Park --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
