Re: Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has A Serious Problem

[Tony C via Talk]

I have had Macffee let two virsus in on two different PC's. Once was 
serveral years ago on an XP Pc and the other was just a couple months ago on 
a brand new Del. The only reason I had Mcaffee on it to begin with is it cam 
with the PC and I got a one year free subscription to it. I only used it 1 
1/2 months before I got virus on my PC. I had the paid version ofr AVG on my 
Win 8 PC, so I went ahead ans sprung for AVG for the Win 10 pc and now mo 
jproblems.


-Original Message- 
From: Charles Short via Talk

Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 4:33 PM
To: 'Smith, Veronica' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has A Serious Problem

The best virus protecter imho\ is Mcafee. ...works very well with 
Window-Eyes.



Charlie Short

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On Behalf Of Smith, Veronica via Talk

Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:22 AM
To: Bob Tinney ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 


Subject: RE: Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has A Serious Problem

Oh and I have windows 7. , so am trying to find out what is the best virus 
protector.  I have Norton and it is messing with my stuff. V


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From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+veronica.smith=aps@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Bob Tinney via Talk

Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 8:05 AM
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has A Serious Problem

Russ,

I don't know where all of the windows 10 bashing got started, but go ahead 
and upgrade to windows 10.  Its free until July of this year and unless you 
have some really old peripherals, they should work just fine in Windows 10. 
I'm running Windows 10 on all of our computers and I do not regret 
upgrading!


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 5/5/2016 9:25 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:

Does anyone know anything about the following article?
I wonder if I’ll be stuck with using windows 10?
I have a Asus computer.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/05/04/microsoft-warns-windows-7-boot-up-problem/#e18758f395e5


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RE: virus protector

[Michael Massey via Talk]

I'm not Brian.  But, the answer to your question regarding Windows Defender
is yes, it works well with Window-eyes.  Windows Defender took the place of
Microsoft Security Essentials beginning with the release of Windows 8.  I am
now using it with Windows 10.  Just because a computer comes with a specific
antivirus software, you don't have to use it.  Windows Defender is free,
runs in the background, and is unobtrusive.  

Mike M. 

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+massey52=q@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Charles Short via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 3:35 PM
To: 'Bryan Peterson' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion
List' 
Subject: RE: virus protector

Some come with Mcafee, some with ess Smart, nod 32, and Norton. ...I've
never heard of Windows Defender. ...does it work well with WE?
Charlie Short

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On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 8:20 AM
To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: virus protector

What does Windows 10 come with anyway?

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 5, 2016, at 5:42 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk
 wrote:
> 
> Hi Veronica,
> 
> If you're on Windows 10 then the antivirus which comes with it is 
> sufficient.
> 
> Hth,
> 
> Rod
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Veronica Smith via Talk
> Sent: May 5, 2016 12:28 AM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> Subject: virus protector
> 
> So recently I found out that my Norton Virus protector could be the 
> cause of all my problems with Window Eyes.  If that is true, then what 
> is a good choice for me?
> 
> Veronica
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RE: virus protector

[Charles Short via Talk]

Some come with Mcafee, some with ess Smart, nod 32, and Norton. ...I've
never heard of Windows Defender. ...does it work well with WE?
Charlie Short

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On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 8:20 AM
To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: virus protector

What does Windows 10 come with anyway?

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 5, 2016, at 5:42 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk
 wrote:
> 
> Hi Veronica,
> 
> If you're on Windows 10 then the antivirus which comes with it is 
> sufficient.
> 
> Hth,
> 
> Rod
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Veronica Smith via Talk
> Sent: May 5, 2016 12:28 AM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> Subject: virus protector
> 
> So recently I found out that my Norton Virus protector could be the 
> cause of all my problems with Window Eyes.  If that is true, then what 
> is a good choice for me?
> 
> Veronica
> 
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RE: Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has A Serious Problem

[Charles Short via Talk]

The best virus protecter imho\ is Mcafee. ...works very well with Window-Eyes.


Charlie Short

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+clshort=verizon@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Smith, Veronica via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:22 AM
To: Bob Tinney ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: RE: Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has A Serious Problem

Oh and I have windows 7. , so am trying to find out what is the best virus 
protector.  I have Norton and it is messing with my stuff. V

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+veronica.smith=aps@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Bob Tinney via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 8:05 AM
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has A Serious Problem

Russ,

I don't know where all of the windows 10 bashing got started, but go ahead and 
upgrade to windows 10.  Its free until July of this year and unless you have 
some really old peripherals, they should work just fine in Windows 10.  I'm 
running Windows 10 on all of our computers and I do not regret upgrading!

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 5/5/2016 9:25 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
> Does anyone know anything about the following article?
> I wonder if I’ll be stuck with using windows 10?
> I have a Asus computer.
> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/05/04/microsoft-warns-windows-7-boot-up-problem/#e18758f395e5
>
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RE: regarding ETI elequence.

[Charles Short via Talk]

I know that if you install Kurzweil 1000, there's something called speech
works international, that has the eti eloquence sapi 5.


Charlie Short

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On Behalf Of Ravi Paswan via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 12:36 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: regarding ETI elequence.

hello gang any one can provide me elequence sapi 5 for 64 bit windows.
urgent need for me.


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Re: cost of upgrade

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Yes, I liked 98, too.  I didn't get xp until it was almost time to get 
vista.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen via Talk

Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 12:10 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Subject: RE: cost of upgrade

Well, if 98 had good usb support, I'd still be running 98 with 4dos.  I
may dig out my 2 e one of these days.  Got my first computer in March of
1983.
73
Butch
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Re: Question About Key Describer

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Insert key 1. It is a toggle.

On 5/5/2016 3:52 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:

I have key Describer turned on. How do I turn it off?




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Question About Key Describer

[Robert Ringwald via Talk]

I have key Describer turned on. How do I turn it off?




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Re: possible Thunderbird and/or WE problem

[Rick Jarvis via Talk]

alt plus the letter t.

On 5/5/2016 1:56 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

Sorry, but what is the key stroke to go to tools? And do I arrow down to
get to account settings?


On 5/4/2016 1:36 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:

Hi,
Go to tools/account settings
In the tree select composition addressing.  Tab through and uncheck
the compose in html option.


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Subject: possible Thunderbird and/or WE problem



I have noticed these things since I have installed the newest version of
Thunderbird.

First, when reading a certain email, a kind of minicatalog, WE is very
slow to respond when I arrow down through the message. This does not
happen with shorter messages.

Second, when I am writing a message in Thunderbird, the backspace
doesn't always work when I want to correct a mistake; when I press it, I
get the Windows sound.

O, I almost forgot. I have WE 9.4.

Thank you.


Peace.

Linette



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Re: possible Thunderbird and/or WE problem

[Rick Jarvis via Talk]

alt plus the letter t.

On 5/5/2016 1:56 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

Sorry, but what is the key stroke to go to tools? And do I arrow down to
get to account settings?


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Hi,
Go to tools/account settings
In the tree select composition addressing.  Tab through and uncheck
the compose in html option.


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On Behalf Of Linette Sukup via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2016 11:22 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: possible Thunderbird and/or WE problem



I have noticed these things since I have installed the newest version of
Thunderbird.

First, when reading a certain email, a kind of minicatalog, WE is very
slow to respond when I arrow down through the message. This does not
happen with shorter messages.

Second, when I am writing a message in Thunderbird, the backspace
doesn't always work when I want to correct a mistake; when I press it, I
get the Windows sound.

O, I almost forgot. I have WE 9.4.

Thank you.


Peace.

Linette



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Re: Forbes article on windows 7

[Evan Reese via Talk]

Okay, here's the text of the article. Don't know whether the links in the 
article will come through, but you'll at least be able to read the text. And 
I haven't edited out the ads, so you'll just need to arrow down through them 
and pick up the thread on the other side.


Earlier this year
Microsoft
MSFT +0.15%
warned users that
Windows 7 has serious problems
. I dismissed its claims as a desperate attempt to shift copies of Windows 
10 (and
I still do), but now Microsoft has warned of a new serious Windows 7 problem 
that

is very real – even though it makes
no sense whatsoever…
In short: Microsoft has made a seemingly small yet completely bizarre tweak 
to Windows

Update on Windows 7 and confirmed it is crippling many users’ PCs.
The tweak? It switched the status of Windows 7 update KB3133977 from 
‘Optional’ to
‘Recommended’. The bizarre part? Despite acknowledging the problems, 
Microsoft knew

they would occur in advance and it has no plans to do anything about it.
Windows 7 users are being pushed to upgrade to Windows 10. Image credit: 
Gordon Kelly
Windows 7 users are being pushed to upgrade to Windows 10. Image credit: 
Gordon Kelly

Ok, let’s put some meat on these bones.
PCs That Suddenly Won’t Start
It all centres around Asus motherboards.
Now 27 years old, Asus is one of the largest PC component makers and 
supplies motherboards

to many of the world’s biggest PC makers. Recently it enabled Secure Boot in
UEFI
on all its motherboards. This wasn’t a problem for older PCs because Windows 
7 didn’t
support Secure Boot, that is until KB3133977 came along in March and enabled 
it.

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Initially the fallout was small. Asus
confirmed
the problem, Microsoft
confirmed
the problem.  But the best news was KB3133977 was an optional Windows 7 
update so
it had to be manually installed to take effect. The solution was simple: 
just steer

clear of KB3133977 (aka do nothing) and you’d be fine.
Then last month – for some bizarre reason – Microsoft made KB3133977 a 
‘Recommended’
update. The result was every user running Windows 7 and default Windows 
Update settings

(the vast majority) would find the update now installed automatically.
And then everyone with an Asus motherboard was hit.
Read more – Windows 10 ‘Anniversary Update’ Has Great Secret Features
A Global Problem
As InfoWorld’s Windows expert Woody Leonhard
notes
“I’m now seeing problems reported from all over the globe about Windows 7 
machines
that suddenly won’t boot”. Affected machines simply show a red box which 
says:
The Windows 7 warning screen hitting PC owners with Asus motherboards who 
install

update KB3133977. Image credit: Asus
The Windows 7 warning screen hitting PC owners with Asus motherboards who 
install

update KB3133977. Image credit: Asus
All of which does nothing to pinpoint the problem or solve it for those 
without a

second secured boot device. In short: you’d be screwed.
The Good News And Staying Safe
The good news is Asus has now
issued a workaround
to get PCs booting up again. Furthermore Asus must take some of the blame 
for not
reacting faster when KB3133977 presented a potential landmine and issuing 
new updates

to its motherboards.
How do you know if you have an Asus motherboard in your Windows 7 PC? Go to:
All Programs > Accessories > System Tools
and select System Information
. This will list your PC’s components, including the motherboard.
One downside: some major PC makers like
Dell
and HP rebrand the motherboard as the computer’s model number. In which case 
you

should do a web search on your model or call the manufacturer directly.
The Bad News And What Comes Next
As for the bad news? It’s Microsoft’s reaction.
On the plus side, Microsoft did update
the support document
for KB3133977 with a warning which states: “After you install update 3133977 
on
a Windows 7 x64-based system that includes an Asus-based main board, the 
system does

not start”.
But Microsoft also uses the document an opportunity to promote upgrades to 
Windows

10:
Microsoft's KB3133977 support page now advises users to install Windows 10 
to fix

their problems. Image credit: Microsoft
Microsoft’s KB3133977 support page now advises users to install Windows 10 
to fix

their problems. Image credit: Microsoft
Microsoft has also done nothing to modify KB3133977 or release a new patch 
so users
with Asus motherboards don’t run into this problem in the first place. 
Furthermore,
at the time of publishing, KB3133977 remains a ‘Recommended’ in Windows 
Update for

Windows 7.
Needless to say, conspiracy theorists will have a ball seeing it as yet 

Re: Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has A Serious Problem (the article)

[Evan Reese via Talk]

Very interesting, and pretty much par for the course for Microsoft. But that 
is not the Forbes article I read, the one about the Important update that is 
checked by default, and, if you have a certain motherboard, and you install 
that update, your system won't boot. That's the scary one, especially since 
Microsoft knew about it and didn't fix it..

Evan

-Original Message- 
From: Mike Rogers via Talk

Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 4:05 PM
To: Grant Metcalf ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has A Serious Problem (the article)

Thanks.  I have a friend who helps me with my computer.  He's a trouble 
shooter for a large industrial complex and keeps the computers running. 
They are staying with Windows 7.




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On Thu, 5 May 2016 12:59:17 -0700
Grant Metcalf via Talk  wrote:


Hello there.

The Forbes article was hidden behind some "Welcome" script that wouldn't 
remove itself unless I allowed its site to save cookies on my machine, 
which I did not do.  But, I did end up finding a text feed of the article. 
What follows below (which describes Microsoft's new "strong-arm" tactic) 
is that article.  Hope this helps.



Jan 2, 2016 @ 05:30 PM
Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has Serious Problems
Gordon Kelly , Contributor

Speaking to Windows Weekly, Microsoft Marketing chief Chris Capossela 
explained that users who choose Windows 7 do so “at your own risk, at your 
own peril” and he revealed Microsoft has concerns about its future 
software and hardware compatibility, security and more.


“We do worry when people are running an operating system that’s 10 years 
old that the next printer they buy isn’t going to work well, or they buy a 
new game, they buy Fallout 4, a very popular game, and it doesn’t work on 
a bunch of older machines,” Capossela stated. “And so, as we are pushing 
our ISV [Independent Software Vendor] and hardware partners to build great 
new stuff that takes advantage of Windows 10 that obviously makes the old 
stuff really bad and not to mention viruses and security problems.”


He also stressed it is “so incredibly important to try to end the 
fragmentation of the Windows install base” and to get users to a “safer 
place”.


There’s only one problem with Capossela’s statements: they are complete 
rubbish.


Windows 7 is no less secure than Windows 10 (it will be supported until 
2020) and no less compatible with new hardware and software. In fact its 
far greater market share means it is developers’ priority and has greater 
compatibility with legacy programmes and peripherals. If Fallout 4 won’t 
run on your Windows 7 computer, it will be upgrading your components not 
installing Windows 10 which fixes that.


As for fragmentation, the only issue that creates is for Microsoft and its 
target of getting one billion devices running Windows 10 within 2-3 years 
of release. And this is where the true motivation for Capossela’s 
statements become clear:


“We think every machine that is capable of running Windows 10 we should be 
doing everything we possibly can to get people to move to Windows 10…We 
are going to try to find that right balance, but we just know there’s a 
lot of people out there who constantly kick the can down the street 
without a little bit more of a, frankly, a push.  And so, there’s no doubt 
with a base as big as ours, it is hard to move anyone to a new model 
without angering some people. We don’t want to anger anybody, but we do 
feel a responsibility to get people to a much better place, and Windows 10 
is a much better place than Windows 7. We will always give you a way out, 
but we’re trying to find the right threat balance.”


This phrase – “threat balance” – is telling. Microsoft has been cranking 
up the pressure on Windows 7 and Windows 8 users to upgrade and, in my 
opinion, the ‘balance’ was replaced by ‘threat’ a long time ago due to 
mandatory Windows 10 downloads, automatic upgrade attempts and now 
Capossela’s claims which add up to nothing more than deliberate 
misinformation designed to unsettle users.



As I’ve written before, at its core Windows 10 is a very capable operating 
system with immense promise but it is also overly controlling and I can 
respect those Windows 7 and Windows 8 users who choose to stay where they 
are. And this is the part Microsoft has forgotten: technically it keeps 
giving users a choice, but by enforcing nagging pop-ups, cutting opt-out 
options and spreading groundless fear for the average user it appears 
there is no choice at all…




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Re: Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has A Serious Problem (the article)

[Evan Reese via Talk]

I admit, I'm a little behind on my updates on this Dell laptop. So I checked 
my Important updates, and that KB3133977 is in there, and it's checked. I 
have no idea as to whether I have an Asus motherboard in here, so I 
unchecked the update, just to be on the safe side. I can't find anything 
about my motherboard in my System Information. I can find my processor, hard 
drive numbers, Ram and all that, but nothing about a motherboard. I'm sure 
not gonna take the chance of installing that update.!

Evan

-Original Message- 
From: Grant Metcalf via Talk

Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 3:59 PM
To: Via Talk
Subject: Fw: Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has A Serious Problem (the article)

Hello there.

The Forbes article was hidden behind some "Welcome" script that wouldn't 
remove itself unless I allowed its site to save cookies on my machine, which 
I did not do.  But, I did end up finding a text feed of the article.  What 
follows below (which describes Microsoft's new "strong-arm" tactic) is that 
article.  Hope this helps.



Jan 2, 2016 @ 05:30 PM
Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has Serious Problems
Gordon Kelly , Contributor

Speaking to Windows Weekly, Microsoft Marketing chief Chris Capossela 
explained that users who choose Windows 7 do so “at your own risk, at your 
own peril” and he revealed Microsoft has concerns about its future software 
and hardware compatibility, security and more.


“We do worry when people are running an operating system that’s 10 years old 
that the next printer they buy isn’t going to work well, or they buy a new 
game, they buy Fallout 4, a very popular game, and it doesn’t work on a 
bunch of older machines,” Capossela stated. “And so, as we are pushing our 
ISV [Independent Software Vendor] and hardware partners to build great new 
stuff that takes advantage of Windows 10 that obviously makes the old stuff 
really bad and not to mention viruses and security problems.”


He also stressed it is “so incredibly important to try to end the 
fragmentation of the Windows install base” and to get users to a “safer 
place”.


There’s only one problem with Capossela’s statements: they are complete 
rubbish.


Windows 7 is no less secure than Windows 10 (it will be supported until 
2020) and no less compatible with new hardware and software. In fact its far 
greater market share means it is developers’ priority and has greater 
compatibility with legacy programmes and peripherals. If Fallout 4 won’t run 
on your Windows 7 computer, it will be upgrading your components not 
installing Windows 10 which fixes that.


As for fragmentation, the only issue that creates is for Microsoft and its 
target of getting one billion devices running Windows 10 within 2-3 years of 
release. And this is where the true motivation for Capossela’s statements 
become clear:


“We think every machine that is capable of running Windows 10 we should be 
doing everything we possibly can to get people to move to Windows 10…We are 
going to try to find that right balance, but we just know there’s a lot of 
people out there who constantly kick the can down the street without a 
little bit more of a, frankly, a push.  And so, there’s no doubt with a base 
as big as ours, it is hard to move anyone to a new model without angering 
some people. We don’t want to anger anybody, but we do feel a responsibility 
to get people to a much better place, and Windows 10 is a much better place 
than Windows 7. We will always give you a way out, but we’re trying to find 
the right threat balance.”


This phrase – “threat balance” – is telling. Microsoft has been cranking up 
the pressure on Windows 7 and Windows 8 users to upgrade and, in my opinion, 
the ‘balance’ was replaced by ‘threat’ a long time ago due to mandatory 
Windows 10 downloads, automatic upgrade attempts and now Capossela’s claims 
which add up to nothing more than deliberate misinformation designed to 
unsettle users.



As I’ve written before, at its core Windows 10 is a very capable operating 
system with immense promise but it is also overly controlling and I can 
respect those Windows 7 and Windows 8 users who choose to stay where they 
are. And this is the part Microsoft has forgotten: technically it keeps 
giving users a choice, but by enforcing nagging pop-ups, cutting opt-out 
options and spreading groundless fear for the average user it appears there 
is no choice at all…




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Re: Forbes article on windows 7

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

I'm still not sure what the article said cause I couldn't really access 
it.  Something about a bootup problem or some such?

can someone  give us a short version of what it says?



On 5/5/2016 3:14 PM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote:

It got me there, and it was interesting.

-Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 12:23 PM
To: Van Lant, Robin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Forbes article on windows 7

Just to make sure that you go directly to the article, here is the link
as I copied it from the IE address bar. I hope it gets you there. It
looks like it might be a bit broken up in this message, so you might
have to do a bit of work to piece it together.

When you get there, try typing in "earlier this year," without the
quotes, and you should get to the beginning of the text.

HTH,

Larry

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/05/04/microsoft-warns-windows-7-boot-up-problem/#35e8a3e0395e 



On 5/5/2016 11:59 AM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:
Glad to hear I'm not the only one having a hard time reading this web 
page. I've tried it in Firefox and IE 11 with very little success.  
Next option is on my phone with Safari.  What am I missing on how to 
navigate this page?





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From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Mike Rogers via Talk

Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 8:42 AM
To: Window Eyes List
Subject: Forbes article on windows 7

So.. I went to the site three times and couldn't get to the article. 
Could somebody summarize it?  I'm using Windows 7 and really like it, 
with 9.4 w.e.




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Re: Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has A Serious Problem (the article)

[Mike Rogers via Talk]

Thanks.  I have a friend who helps me with my computer.  He's a trouble shooter 
for a large industrial complex and keeps the computers running.  They are 
staying with Windows 7.



www.harmonicaworkshops.com
www.woodeneyemusic.com


On Thu, 5 May 2016 12:59:17 -0700
Grant Metcalf via Talk  wrote:

> Hello there.
> 
> The Forbes article was hidden behind some "Welcome" script that wouldn't 
> remove itself unless I allowed its site to save cookies on my machine, which 
> I did not do.  But, I did end up finding a text feed of the article.  What 
> follows below (which describes Microsoft's new "strong-arm" tactic) is that 
> article.  Hope this helps.
> 
> 
> Jan 2, 2016 @ 05:30 PM
> Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has Serious Problems
> Gordon Kelly , Contributor
> 
> Speaking to Windows Weekly, Microsoft Marketing chief Chris Capossela 
> explained that users who choose Windows 7 do so “at your own risk, at your 
> own peril” and he revealed Microsoft has concerns about its future software 
> and hardware compatibility, security and more.
> 
> “We do worry when people are running an operating system that’s 10 years old 
> that the next printer they buy isn’t going to work well, or they buy a new 
> game, they buy Fallout 4, a very popular game, and it doesn’t work on a bunch 
> of older machines,” Capossela stated. “And so, as we are pushing our ISV 
> [Independent Software Vendor] and hardware partners to build great new stuff 
> that takes advantage of Windows 10 that obviously makes the old stuff really 
> bad and not to mention viruses and security problems.”
> 
> He also stressed it is “so incredibly important to try to end the 
> fragmentation of the Windows install base” and to get users to a “safer 
> place”.
> 
> There’s only one problem with Capossela’s statements: they are complete 
> rubbish.
> 
> Windows 7 is no less secure than Windows 10 (it will be supported until 2020) 
> and no less compatible with new hardware and software. In fact its far 
> greater market share means it is developers’ priority and has greater 
> compatibility with legacy programmes and peripherals. If Fallout 4 won’t run 
> on your Windows 7 computer, it will be upgrading your components not 
> installing Windows 10 which fixes that.
> 
> As for fragmentation, the only issue that creates is for Microsoft and its 
> target of getting one billion devices running Windows 10 within 2-3 years of 
> release. And this is where the true motivation for Capossela’s statements 
> become clear:
> 
> “We think every machine that is capable of running Windows 10 we should be 
> doing everything we possibly can to get people to move to Windows 10…We are 
> going to try to find that right balance, but we just know there’s a lot of 
> people out there who constantly kick the can down the street without a little 
> bit more of a, frankly, a push.  And so, there’s no doubt with a base as big 
> as ours, it is hard to move anyone to a new model without angering some 
> people. We don’t want to anger anybody, but we do feel a responsibility to 
> get people to a much better place, and Windows 10 is a much better place than 
> Windows 7. We will always give you a way out, but we’re trying to find the 
> right threat balance.”
> 
> This phrase – “threat balance” – is telling. Microsoft has been cranking up 
> the pressure on Windows 7 and Windows 8 users to upgrade and, in my opinion, 
> the ‘balance’ was replaced by ‘threat’ a long time ago due to mandatory 
> Windows 10 downloads, automatic upgrade attempts and now Capossela’s claims 
> which add up to nothing more than deliberate misinformation designed to 
> unsettle users.
> 
> 
> As I’ve written before, at its core Windows 10 is a very capable operating 
> system with immense promise but it is also overly controlling and I can 
> respect those Windows 7 and Windows 8 users who choose to stay where they 
> are. And this is the part Microsoft has forgotten: technically it keeps 
> giving users a choice, but by enforcing nagging pop-ups, cutting opt-out 
> options and spreading groundless fear for the average user it appears there 
> is no choice at all…
> 
> 
> 
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Fw: Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has A Serious Problem (the article)

[Grant Metcalf via Talk]

Hello there.

The Forbes article was hidden behind some "Welcome" script that wouldn't remove 
itself unless I allowed its site to save cookies on my machine, which I did not 
do.  But, I did end up finding a text feed of the article.  What follows below 
(which describes Microsoft's new "strong-arm" tactic) is that article.  Hope 
this helps.


Jan 2, 2016 @ 05:30 PM
Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has Serious Problems
Gordon Kelly , Contributor

Speaking to Windows Weekly, Microsoft Marketing chief Chris Capossela explained 
that users who choose Windows 7 do so “at your own risk, at your own peril” and 
he revealed Microsoft has concerns about its future software and hardware 
compatibility, security and more.

“We do worry when people are running an operating system that’s 10 years old 
that the next printer they buy isn’t going to work well, or they buy a new 
game, they buy Fallout 4, a very popular game, and it doesn’t work on a bunch 
of older machines,” Capossela stated. “And so, as we are pushing our ISV 
[Independent Software Vendor] and hardware partners to build great new stuff 
that takes advantage of Windows 10 that obviously makes the old stuff really 
bad and not to mention viruses and security problems.”

He also stressed it is “so incredibly important to try to end the fragmentation 
of the Windows install base” and to get users to a “safer place”.

There’s only one problem with Capossela’s statements: they are complete rubbish.

Windows 7 is no less secure than Windows 10 (it will be supported until 2020) 
and no less compatible with new hardware and software. In fact its far greater 
market share means it is developers’ priority and has greater compatibility 
with legacy programmes and peripherals. If Fallout 4 won’t run on your Windows 
7 computer, it will be upgrading your components not installing Windows 10 
which fixes that.

As for fragmentation, the only issue that creates is for Microsoft and its 
target of getting one billion devices running Windows 10 within 2-3 years of 
release. And this is where the true motivation for Capossela’s statements 
become clear:

“We think every machine that is capable of running Windows 10 we should be 
doing everything we possibly can to get people to move to Windows 10…We are 
going to try to find that right balance, but we just know there’s a lot of 
people out there who constantly kick the can down the street without a little 
bit more of a, frankly, a push.  And so, there’s no doubt with a base as big as 
ours, it is hard to move anyone to a new model without angering some people. We 
don’t want to anger anybody, but we do feel a responsibility to get people to a 
much better place, and Windows 10 is a much better place than Windows 7. We 
will always give you a way out, but we’re trying to find the right threat 
balance.”

This phrase – “threat balance” – is telling. Microsoft has been cranking up the 
pressure on Windows 7 and Windows 8 users to upgrade and, in my opinion, the 
‘balance’ was replaced by ‘threat’ a long time ago due to mandatory Windows 10 
downloads, automatic upgrade attempts and now Capossela’s claims which add up 
to nothing more than deliberate misinformation designed to unsettle users.


As I’ve written before, at its core Windows 10 is a very capable operating 
system with immense promise but it is also overly controlling and I can respect 
those Windows 7 and Windows 8 users who choose to stay where they are. And this 
is the part Microsoft has forgotten: technically it keeps giving users a 
choice, but by enforcing nagging pop-ups, cutting opt-out options and spreading 
groundless fear for the average user it appears there is no choice at all…



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Re: Forbes article on windows 7

[Evan Reese via Talk]

Yup, got it. Doesn't surprise me at all.
Evan

-Original Message- 
From: Larry Higgins via Talk

Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 1:23 PM
To: Van Lant, Robin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Forbes article on windows 7

Just to make sure that you go directly to the article, here is the link
as I copied it from the IE address bar. I hope it gets you there. It
looks like it might be a bit broken up in this message, so you might
have to do a bit of work to piece it together.

When you get there, try typing in "earlier this year," without the
quotes, and you should get to the beginning of the text.

HTH,

Larry

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/05/04/microsoft-warns-windows-7-boot-up-problem/#35e8a3e0395e

On 5/5/2016 11:59 AM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:
Glad to hear I'm not the only one having a hard time reading this web 
page. I've tried it in Firefox and IE 11 with very little success.  Next 
option is on my phone with Safari.  What am I missing on how to navigate 
this page?





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Subject: Forbes article on windows 7

So.. I went to the site three times and couldn't get to the article. 
Could somebody summarize it?  I'm using Windows 7 and really like it, with 
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Re: Forbes article on windows 7

[Tom Fairhurst via Talk]

It got me there, and it was interesting.

-Original Message- 
From: Larry Higgins via Talk

Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 12:23 PM
To: Van Lant, Robin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Forbes article on windows 7

Just to make sure that you go directly to the article, here is the link
as I copied it from the IE address bar. I hope it gets you there. It
looks like it might be a bit broken up in this message, so you might
have to do a bit of work to piece it together.

When you get there, try typing in "earlier this year," without the
quotes, and you should get to the beginning of the text.

HTH,

Larry

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/05/04/microsoft-warns-windows-7-boot-up-problem/#35e8a3e0395e

On 5/5/2016 11:59 AM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:
Glad to hear I'm not the only one having a hard time reading this web 
page. I've tried it in Firefox and IE 11 with very little success.  Next 
option is on my phone with Safari.  What am I missing on how to navigate 
this page?





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To: Window Eyes List
Subject: Forbes article on windows 7

So.. I went to the site three times and couldn't get to the article. 
Could somebody summarize it?  I'm using Windows 7 and really like it, with 
9.4 w.e.




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Re: regarding ETI elequence.

[Loy via Talk]

If you need it for Window Eyes, you can buy it from GWMicro (AISquared)
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ravi Paswan via Talk 
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  Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 12:36 PM
  Subject: regarding ETI elequence.


  hello gang any one can provide me elequence sapi 5 for 64 bit windows.
  urgent need for me.


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RE: regarding ETI elequence.

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

Hello,
You can get it from here:

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Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 12:36 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: regarding ETI elequence.

hello gang any one can provide me elequence sapi 5 for 64 bit windows.
urgent need for me.


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Re: regarding ETI elequence.

[christopher hallsworth via Talk]

Hope you are not after a crack as well as you will not get it from us .
> On 5 May 2016, at 17:36, Ravi Paswan via Talk  
> wrote:
> 
> hello gang any one can provide me elequence sapi 5 for 64 bit windows.
> urgent need for me.
> 
> 
> -- 
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> and follow in twitter:ravipaswan32
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Re: Forbes article on windows 7

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Ah yes, I meant that you should type what I suggested into your WE find 
box. I'm pretty sure you all knew that, but just for the sake of clarity 
...


On 5/5/2016 12:23 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Just to make sure that you go directly to the article, here is the link
as I copied it from the IE address bar. I hope it gets you there. It
looks like it might be a bit broken up in this message, so you might
have to do a bit of work to piece it together.

When you get there, try typing in "earlier this year," without the
quotes, and you should get to the beginning of the text.

HTH,

Larry

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/05/04/microsoft-warns-windows-7-boot-up-problem/#35e8a3e0395e


On 5/5/2016 11:59 AM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:

Glad to hear I'm not the only one having a hard time reading this web
page. I've tried it in Firefox and IE 11 with very little success.
Next option is on my phone with Safari.  What am I missing on how to
navigate this page?




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[mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Mike Rogers via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 8:42 AM
To: Window Eyes List
Subject: Forbes article on windows 7

So.. I went to the site three times and couldn't get to the article.
Could somebody summarize it?  I'm using Windows 7 and really like it,
with 9.4 w.e.



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Re: Forbes article on windows 7

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Just to make sure that you go directly to the article, here is the link 
as I copied it from the IE address bar. I hope it gets you there. It 
looks like it might be a bit broken up in this message, so you might 
have to do a bit of work to piece it together.


When you get there, try typing in "earlier this year," without the 
quotes, and you should get to the beginning of the text.


HTH,

Larry

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/05/04/microsoft-warns-windows-7-boot-up-problem/#35e8a3e0395e

On 5/5/2016 11:59 AM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:

Glad to hear I'm not the only one having a hard time reading this web page. 
I've tried it in Firefox and IE 11 with very little success.  Next option is on 
my phone with Safari.  What am I missing on how to navigate this page?




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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Mike Rogers via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 8:42 AM
To: Window Eyes List
Subject: Forbes article on windows 7

So.. I went to the site three times and couldn't get to the article.  Could 
somebody summarize it?  I'm using Windows 7 and really like it, with 9.4 w.e.



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RE: Forbes article on windows 7

[Van Lant, Robin via Talk]

Glad to hear I'm not the only one having a hard time reading this web page. 
I've tried it in Firefox and IE 11 with very little success.  Next option is on 
my phone with Safari.  What am I missing on how to navigate this page?




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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Mike Rogers via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 8:42 AM
To: Window Eyes List
Subject: Forbes article on windows 7

So.. I went to the site three times and couldn't get to the article.  Could 
somebody summarize it?  I'm using Windows 7 and really like it, with 9.4 w.e.



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regarding ETI elequence.

[Ravi Paswan via Talk]

hello gang any one can provide me elequence sapi 5 for 64 bit windows.
urgent need for me.


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Re: Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has A Serious Problem

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

Well, these days I really do believe it's safe to upgrade, now that 
Microsoft has ironed out a lot of issues in the initial releases of 
Windows 10.  But I also understand  that people don't want to be 
constantly reminded that they should upgrade something that's working 
for them just fine.  Since I'm getting a new pc I figured it was time to 
just go ahead and make the jump.






On 5/5/2016 11:59 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

Just hide the update I won't upgrade to win10 dispite the crap ms is trying to 
do to force it down our throats.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 10:43 AM
To: 'Russ Kiehne'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has A Serious Problem

Thanks so much, Russ. Smile

Rod

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: May 5, 2016 9:26 AM
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Subject: Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has A Serious Problem

Does anyone know anything about the following article?
I wonder if I’ll be stuck with using windows 10?
I have a Asus computer.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/05/04/microsoft-warns-windows-7-boot-up-problem/#e18758f395e5


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RE: cost of upgrade

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Well, if 98 had good usb support, I'd still be running 98 with 4dos.  I 
may dig out my 2 e one of these days.  Got my first computer in March of 
1983.

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RE: Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has A Serious Problem

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Just hide the update I won't upgrade to win10 dispite the crap ms is trying to 
do to force it down our throats.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 10:43 AM
To: 'Russ Kiehne'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has A Serious Problem

Thanks so much, Russ. Smile

Rod

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
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Sent: May 5, 2016 9:26 AM
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Subject: Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has A Serious Problem

Does anyone know anything about the following article?
I wonder if I’ll be stuck with using windows 10?
I have a Asus computer.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/05/04/microsoft-warns-windows-7-boot-up-problem/#e18758f395e5


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Re: Forbes article on windows 7

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Yes, I am also using Windows 7 because Dell told me I could not upgrade 
my six-year-old PC to Windows 10.  I am interested in the report also.


Carol


On 5/5/2016 10:42 AM, Mike Rogers via Talk wrote:

So.. I went to the site three times and couldn't get to the article.  Could 
somebody summarize it?  I'm using Windows 7 and really like it, with 9.4 w.e.



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Forbes article on windows 7

[Mike Rogers via Talk]

So.. I went to the site three times and couldn't get to the article.  Could 
somebody summarize it?  I'm using Windows 7 and really like it, with 9.4 w.e.



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Re: Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has A Serious Problem

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

I've ordered a new pc running Windows 10 and have no worries about the 
upgrade.  I was able to mess around with  my room mate's new laptop 
running Windows 10 and I had absolutely no issues finding my way 
around.  Sure, some things are different like the use of the ribbon in 
file explorer but that can be worked around.  I'm not very good at it 
but I can learn.






On 5/5/2016 10:23 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
Bob, I would whole heartedly agree with you concerning the upgrade to 
Windows 10. However this article serves to reminds me just how 
underhanded MicroSoft can be. When I read something like this, it 
makes me wonder just how far they would be willing to go to Bully 
people into upgrading, or to do anything else that they would find 
more to their convenience and liking. The convenience of MS I mean. 
Enough to resurrect one's paranoia, I'm afraid.


On 5/5/2016 9:04 AM, Bob Tinney via Talk wrote:

Russ,

I don't know where all of the windows 10 bashing got started, but go
ahead and upgrade to windows 10.  Its free until July of this year and
unless you have some really old peripherals, they should work just fine
in Windows 10.  I'm running Windows 10 on all of our computers and I do
not regret upgrading!

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 5/5/2016 9:25 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:

Does anyone know anything about the following article?
I wonder if I’ll be stuck with using windows 10?
I have a Asus computer.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/05/04/microsoft-warns-windows-7-boot-up-problem/#e18758f395e5 





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RE: Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has A Serious Problem

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Thanks so much, Russ. Smile

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: May 5, 2016 9:26 AM
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Subject: Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has A Serious Problem

Does anyone know anything about the following article?
I wonder if I’ll be stuck with using windows 10?
I have a Asus computer.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/05/04/microsoft-warns-windows-7-boot-up-problem/#e18758f395e5


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Re: Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has A Serious Problem

[kitty hevener via Talk]

veronica, I have windows 7 and office 2013.  I use microsoft security 
essentials as antivirus and malware bytes and have no problem with we.


-Original Message- 
From: Smith, Veronica via Talk

Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 10:21 AM
To: Bob Tinney ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has A Serious Problem

Oh and I have windows 7. , so am trying to find out what is the best virus 
protector.  I have Norton and it is messing with my stuff. V


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Of Bob Tinney via Talk

Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 8:05 AM
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Subject: Re: Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has A Serious Problem

Russ,

I don't know where all of the windows 10 bashing got started, but go ahead 
and upgrade to windows 10.  Its free until July of this year and unless you 
have some really old peripherals, they should work just fine in Windows 10. 
I'm running Windows 10 on all of our computers and I do not regret 
upgrading!


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 5/5/2016 9:25 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:

Does anyone know anything about the following article?
I wonder if I’ll be stuck with using windows 10?
I have a Asus computer.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/05/04/microsoft-warns-windows-7-boot-up-problem/#e18758f395e5


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Re: Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has A Serious Problem

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Bob, I would whole heartedly agree with you concerning the upgrade to 
Windows 10. However this article serves to reminds me just how 
underhanded MicroSoft can be. When I read something like this, it makes 
me wonder just how far they would be willing to go to Bully people into 
upgrading, or to do anything else that they would find more to their 
convenience and liking. The convenience of MS I mean. Enough to 
resurrect one's paranoia, I'm afraid.


On 5/5/2016 9:04 AM, Bob Tinney via Talk wrote:

Russ,

I don't know where all of the windows 10 bashing got started, but go
ahead and upgrade to windows 10.  Its free until July of this year and
unless you have some really old peripherals, they should work just fine
in Windows 10.  I'm running Windows 10 on all of our computers and I do
not regret upgrading!

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 5/5/2016 9:25 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:

Does anyone know anything about the following article?
I wonder if I’ll be stuck with using windows 10?
I have a Asus computer.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/05/04/microsoft-warns-windows-7-boot-up-problem/#e18758f395e5



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RE: Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has A Serious Problem

[Smith, Veronica via Talk]

Oh and I have windows 7. , so am trying to find out what is the best virus 
protector.  I have Norton and it is messing with my stuff. V

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+veronica.smith=aps@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Bob Tinney via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 8:05 AM
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has A Serious Problem

Russ,

I don't know where all of the windows 10 bashing got started, but go ahead and 
upgrade to windows 10.  Its free until July of this year and unless you have 
some really old peripherals, they should work just fine in Windows 10.  I'm 
running Windows 10 on all of our computers and I do not regret upgrading!

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 5/5/2016 9:25 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
> Does anyone know anything about the following article?
> I wonder if I’ll be stuck with using windows 10?
> I have a Asus computer.
> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/05/04/microsoft-warns-windows-7-boot-up-problem/#e18758f395e5
>
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RE: Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has A Serious Problem

[Smith, Veronica via Talk]

I don't have windows 10, I have Office 2010 and the latest version of WE. V

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+veronica.smith=aps@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 7:26 AM
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Subject: Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has A Serious Problem

Does anyone know anything about the following article?
I wonder if I’ll be stuck with using windows 10?
I have a Asus computer.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/05/04/microsoft-warns-windows-7-boot-up-problem/#e18758f395e5


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Re: Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has A Serious Problem

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Russ,

I don't know where all of the windows 10 bashing got started, but go ahead and 
upgrade to windows 10.  Its free until July of this year and unless you have 
some really old peripherals, they should work just fine in Windows 10.  I'm 
running Windows 10 on all of our computers and I do not regret upgrading!

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 5/5/2016 9:25 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:

Does anyone know anything about the following article?
I wonder if I’ll be stuck with using windows 10?
I have a Asus computer.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/05/04/microsoft-warns-windows-7-boot-up-problem/#e18758f395e5


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Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has A Serious Problem

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Does anyone know anything about the following article?
I wonder if I’ll be stuck with using windows 10?
I have a Asus computer.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/05/04/microsoft-warns-windows-7-boot-up-problem/#e18758f395e5


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Re: virus protector

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

What does Windows 10 come with anyway?

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> On May 5, 2016, at 5:42 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Veronica,
> 
> If you're on Windows 10 then the antivirus which comes with it is
> sufficient.
> 
> Hth,
> 
> Rod
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
> Of Veronica Smith via Talk
> Sent: May 5, 2016 12:28 AM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> Subject: virus protector
> 
> So recently I found out that my Norton Virus protector could be the cause of
> all my problems with Window Eyes.  If that is true, then what is a good
> choice for me?
> 
> Veronica
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RE: virus protector

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Veronica,

If you're on Windows 10 then the antivirus which comes with it is
sufficient.

Hth,

Rod

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[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
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Subject: virus protector

So recently I found out that my Norton Virus protector could be the cause of
all my problems with Window Eyes.  If that is true, then what is a good
choice for me?

Veronica


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Re: possible Thunderbird and/or WE problem

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Sorry, but what is the key stroke to go to tools? And do I arrow down to 
get to account settings?



On 5/4/2016 1:36 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:

Hi,
Go to tools/account settings
In the tree select composition addressing.  Tab through and uncheck the compose 
in html option.


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Subject: possible Thunderbird and/or WE problem



I have noticed these things since I have installed the newest version of
Thunderbird.

First, when reading a certain email, a kind of minicatalog, WE is very
slow to respond when I arrow down through the message. This does not
happen with shorter messages.

Second, when I am writing a message in Thunderbird, the backspace
doesn't always work when I want to correct a mistake; when I press it, I
get the Windows sound.

O, I almost forgot. I have WE 9.4.

Thank you.


Peace.

Linette



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