icons on desk top

[richard kurlander via Talk]

fixed the problem.

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putting icons in order on the desk top

[richard kurlander via Talk]

	how do you put the icons in order on the desk top? the icons are not 
reading in number order. forgot the keystrokes


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RE: Does anyone know?

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Rick,

I recommend calling them since this is what I did and got my email instantly 
containing the auth code required for activation.

Best,

Rod

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On Behalf Of Richard Jarvis via Talk
Sent: June 12, 2017 9:01 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Does anyone know?

Hello all, I went through the steps to migrate to jaws and got an email 
but there is no instructions on where to download or if there is a 
activation code.  What do I need to do to get jaws?  It has been almost 
a month since I gave my info and still no answer from whoever is 
responsible.  Thanks for any help.  Rick
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Re: Does anyone know?

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Did you try calling?

On 6/12/2017 9:00 PM, Richard Jarvis via Talk wrote:
> Hello all, I went through the steps to migrate to jaws and got an email
> but there is no instructions on where to download or if there is a
> activation code.  What do I need to do to get jaws?  It has been almost
> a month since I gave my info and still no answer from whoever is
> responsible.  Thanks for any help.  Rick
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Does anyone know?

[Richard Jarvis via Talk]

Hello all, I went through the steps to migrate to jaws and got an email 
but there is no instructions on where to download or if there is a 
activation code.  What do I need to do to get jaws?  It has been almost 
a month since I gave my info and still no answer from whoever is 
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Vipre

[Tom Fairhurst via Talk]

Is there a way to see the progres of a scan? I am using Windows 7 64-bit Pro 
with WE 9.5.4 with the latest trial version of Vipre. There is one tab that I 
can’t seem to reclass in order to read it. By the way, JAWS 18 won’t read it 
either. 
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Windows 10 insider bild

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi listers:

I’m about to download the Insider Preview build 16215 to see if WE still works 
with it.

I’ll get back when things settle down.

Here are a couple interesting things they’re doing with Narrator that some of 
you might want to watch out for:

Narrator Improvements:
• Scan Mode on By Default: The largest change that you will experience is that 
Scan Mode is now on by default. This means that:
• Up and Down Arrows to get through everything: You can simply use the up and 
down arrow keys to get through all of the content of your application.
• Press Space to Interact: To interact with simple controls (such as buttons, 
checkboxes, toggle buttons etc. you can press the space bar).
• Editbox Switching: If you navigate to an edit field using the up and down 
arrows, Narrator will automatically turn off Scan Mode so that you can type 
into the edit field. When you are ready to exit the edit field you can use the 
up and down arrows to exit the edit field and Narrator will turn scan mode back 
on.
• Turn off Scan Mode with Caps + Space: If you want to turn off scan mode, and 
want to get back to the old way of doing things, press Caps + Space. It will be 
turned off for that app and you will hear “Off”.
• Remembering the state of scan mode by application: If you explicitly turn off 
scan mode, by pressing Caps + Space in an application, this choice will be 
saved in an exceptions list so that when you reopen the application Scan Mode 
is off. To remove this application from the exceptions list you can press Caps 
+ Space again
• Left and Right Arrow to move by character: Left and right arrows will move 
you by character
• Since Scan Mode is now on by default, we’ve removed the popup dialog when 
first launching Narrator explaining how to start scan mode.
• Narrator Input learning: This will allow you to learn the keys on your 
device. Narrator will tell you the key that you have pressed, and the Narrator 
command associated with it. This mode can be turned on and off with Caps + 1.
• New and improved hotkeys: 
• To read from where you currently are through the rest of the application you 
can press Caps + R for Read.
• To jump to the beginning of an application you can now press Caps + Home and 
to jump to the end of an application you can press Caps + End.
• The read window command, Caps + W also had some improvements in this release. 
Caps + W will now read both the controls in the window and the text.
• Narrator Getting Started User Guide: There is now a button in the main 
Narrator UI to the Narrator User Guide located here, where you can find more 
information about scan mode and all of the Scan Mode commands.
Braille improvements: Narrator users can type and read using different braille 
translations, choose a blinking cursor representation, and choose the duration 
of “flash messages”. You can also now perform braille input for app shortcuts 
and modifier keys, which enables you to use your braille display for common 
tasks such as:
• Pressing the Tab key
• Pressing the Escape key
• Pressing the Windows key
• Pressing sequences like Win + U to open Ease of Access Settings
• Pressing sequences like Alt + F to open the file menu
• Pressing sequences like Ctrl + S to save
• Pressing sequences like Ctrl + Alt + N
• Using first letter navigation in lists
• And more!
For the app shortcuts, there are also new commands to perform that input. 
Here’s a list of example commands (Braille dots = Keyboard input):
• Space + dot4 + dot5 = Tab key (Tab key)
• Space + dot1 + dot2 = Shift + Tab key (Set skipping of blank braille windows 
on/off)
• Space + dot2 + dot3 + dot4 + dot5 = Alt + Tab key (Set track screen cursor 
on/off)
• Space + dot2 + dot4 + dot5 + dot6 = Windows key (Set sliding braille windows 
on/off)
• Space + dot1 + dot2 + dot3 + dot5 = Windows + Tab key (Set autorepeat on/off)
• Space + Routing Key 1 – 12 = F1 – F12 keys
• Dot7 = Backspace key
• Dot8 = Enter key
• Space + dot2 + dot6 = Escape key
• Space + dot3 = Cursor left key
• Space + dot6 = Cursor right key
• Space + dot1 = Cursor up key
• Space + dot4 = Cursor down key
• Space + dot2 + dot3 = Page up key
• Space + dot5 + dot6 = Page down key
• Space + dot2 = Home key
• Space + dot5 = End key
• Space + dot3 + dot5 = Insert key
• Space + dot2 + dot5 + dot6 = Delete key
Inject and hold one or more modifier keys followed by another letter or key:
• Space + dot8 + dot1 = Hold Windows key
• Space + dot8 + dot2 = Hold Alt key
• Space + dot8 + dot3 = Hold Ctrl key
• Space + dot8 + dot4 = Hold Shift key
• Space + dot8 + dot5 = Hold AltGr key
• Space + dot8 + dot6 = Hold Caps Lock key
• Space + dot8 + dot7 = Un-hold all modifiers

Just thought I’d throw that in.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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RE: Reciprocal Idea

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Marvin,

You're post influenced me to cite a post I found last week, which, to be 
honest, I've been reluctant to share, but which I really enjoyed finding, by 
accident.
It demonstrates the fluidity of life, in general, as well as that of the screen 
reader sphere, in particular.
I hope you and others on the list enjoy it as much as I do, each time I return 
to and read it.

http://www.digitaldarragh.com/tag/jaws/

In hope and trepidation (smile),

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Marvin Commerford via Talk
Sent: June 12, 2017 10:57 AM
To: Russ Kiehne via Talk 
Subject: Re: Reciprocal Idea

You've made a good point here.  In WE it was quite easy to use the mouse 
move by clip commands to find the graphics to label yourself.  It also 
has a feature to pass the mouse over graphics to pop up tool tips to 
auto label those graphics.  You can label graphics in Jaws but I have no 
clue how to go about doing it.  Since VFO now owns WE it would be nice 
to think that they would look at it carefully to find some of the good 
Ideas that went into WE.  However as of now there seems to be no 
evidence that this might happen.  It seems that in the FS world that 
only good ideas come from inside the bubble.  Over time I'd love to be 
proven wrong.  I'm not holding my breath.  There's really nothing 
reciprocal about this situation.

It's up to us to figure things out.  I've found that Jaws and 
Thunderbird don't work well for me.  I have tried to adjust some Jaws 
settings to make it work better without success.  I'd like to figure out 
what I need to do to use Jaws with TB.  WE crashes TB on my system while 
NVDA seems to work like a champ.  Try NVDA with WLM and see if you can 
get it to work more to your liking.  For me it's easier to work with all 
three screen readers than it is to figure out some things in Jaws.  We 
all need to do what we have to do because it's really up to us to get 
what we want done.
--

On 6/11/2017 8:45 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
> I just wish all of the graphics in windows live mail were labled.  Jaws 
> doesn't say things like: read, replied to, forwarded etc. when arrowing 
> up and down the windows live mail message list.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Brenda via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 12:53 PM
> To: brice Mijares via Talk
> Subject: Re: Reciprocal Idea
> 
> I think many of us are in the same boat.  I will use Window-eyes as long
> as possible but am trying to learn jaws and not finding it very easy to do.
> 
> I'm glad this list is here so I can ask people who think in Window-eyes
> how to do jaws stuff.
> 
> for instance, on the internet I hit N in Window-eyes to move down the
> page.  Not sure why I like it better than arrow keys, but I seem to find
> it efficient.  What is the jaws equivalent to this?
> 
> Brenda
> 
> On 6/10/2017 3:36 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
>> You got that right! Like they say, it's hard to teach an old dog new 
>> tricks. Smiles from another old buzzard!
>>
>> On 6/10/2017 12:25 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:
>>> When I learned Window Eyes, I had been a sighted user of Windows and 
>>> the keyboard commands were more logical than JAWS.  Now I am older 
>>> and it's harder to remember all the new commands in JAWS.  It seems 
>>> to take more commands in JAWS than Window Eyes to do the same thing. 
>>> I have installed JAWS and am trying it gradually to get use to it, 
>>> but will still use WE as long as it works.
>>>- Original Message -
>>>From: Dennis Long via Talk
>>>To: 'Pamela Dominguez' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>>Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 1:41 PM
>>>Subject: RE: Reciprocal Idea
>>>
>>>
>>>Why it's true people need to realize that.  You had to learn  new 
>>> keyboard
>>>commands when you bought window eyes.
>>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Talk 
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>>On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
>>>Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 1:12 PM
>>>To: Neville; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>Subject: Re: Reciprocal Idea
>>>
>>>You really didn't need to send this message.  Pam.
>>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Neville via Talk
>>>Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 9:34 PM
>>>To: Matthew Chao via Talk
>>>Subject: Re: Reciprocal Idea
>>>
>>>Hi,
>>>Window-eyes is dead so just get on with life and learn Jaws or NVDA.
>>>
>>>Neville
>>>
>>>
>>>On 9/06/2017 10:22 PM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote:
>>>> Hi, Folks.  Remember how Window-Eyes had a special keyboard 
>>> layout for
>>>> JAWS defectors?  Why couldn't the folks at VFO do the same for us?
>>>> Besides, we had to go to JAWS somewhat kicking and screaming; it
>>>> wasn't our choice.  So, how about it, folks?  What do you
>>>> think?--Matthew Chao
>>>>
>>>> 

RE: Reciprocal Idea

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello. It's time to move on for sure. I understand how difficult it is when
your accustomed to using a screen reader for a long time, you don't really
want to change. Fortunately, being a tech savvy person, learning any screen
reader is not difficult for me. For example, Anyone know what the future is
going to be for System Access, the one from Serotek in the future?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Marvin Commerford via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 7:57 AM
To: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Subject: Re: Reciprocal Idea

You've made a good point here.  In WE it was quite easy to use the mouse
move by clip commands to find the graphics to label yourself.  It also has a
feature to pass the mouse over graphics to pop up tool tips to auto label
those graphics.  You can label graphics in Jaws but I have no clue how to go
about doing it.  Since VFO now owns WE it would be nice to think that they
would look at it carefully to find some of the good Ideas that went into WE.
However as of now there seems to be no evidence that this might happen.  It
seems that in the FS world that only good ideas come from inside the bubble.
Over time I'd love to be proven wrong.  I'm not holding my breath.  There's
really nothing reciprocal about this situation.

It's up to us to figure things out.  I've found that Jaws and Thunderbird
don't work well for me.  I have tried to adjust some Jaws settings to make
it work better without success.  I'd like to figure out what I need to do to
use Jaws with TB.  WE crashes TB on my system while NVDA seems to work like
a champ.  Try NVDA with WLM and see if you can get it to work more to your
liking.  For me it's easier to work with all three screen readers than it is
to figure out some things in Jaws.  We all need to do what we have to do
because it's really up to us to get what we want done.
--

On 6/11/2017 8:45 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
> I just wish all of the graphics in windows live mail were labled.  
> Jaws doesn't say things like: read, replied to, forwarded etc. when 
> arrowing up and down the windows live mail message list.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Brenda via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 12:53 PM
> To: brice Mijares via Talk
> Subject: Re: Reciprocal Idea
> 
> I think many of us are in the same boat.  I will use Window-eyes as 
> long as possible but am trying to learn jaws and not finding it very easy
to do.
> 
> I'm glad this list is here so I can ask people who think in 
> Window-eyes how to do jaws stuff.
> 
> for instance, on the internet I hit N in Window-eyes to move down the 
> page.  Not sure why I like it better than arrow keys, but I seem to 
> find it efficient.  What is the jaws equivalent to this?
> 
> Brenda
> 
> On 6/10/2017 3:36 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
>> You got that right! Like they say, it's hard to teach an old dog new 
>> tricks. Smiles from another old buzzard!
>>
>> On 6/10/2017 12:25 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:
>>> When I learned Window Eyes, I had been a sighted user of Windows and 
>>> the keyboard commands were more logical than JAWS.  Now I am older 
>>> and it's harder to remember all the new commands in JAWS.  It seems 
>>> to take more commands in JAWS than Window Eyes to do the same thing.
>>> I have installed JAWS and am trying it gradually to get use to it, 
>>> but will still use WE as long as it works.
>>>- Original Message -
>>>From: Dennis Long via Talk
>>>To: 'Pamela Dominguez' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>>Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 1:41 PM
>>>Subject: RE: Reciprocal Idea
>>>
>>>
>>>Why it's true people need to realize that.  You had to learn  new 
>>> keyboard
>>>commands when you bought window eyes.
>>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>>On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
>>>Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 1:12 PM
>>>To: Neville; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>Subject: Re: Reciprocal Idea
>>>
>>>You really didn't need to send this message.  Pam.
>>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Neville via Talk
>>>Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 9:34 PM
>>>To: Matthew Chao via Talk
>>>Subject: Re: Reciprocal Idea
>>>
>>>Hi,
>>>Window-eyes is dead so just get on with life and learn Jaws or NVDA.
>>>
>>>Neville
>>>
>>>
>>>On 9/06/2017 10:22 PM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote:
>>>> Hi, Folks.  Remember how Window-Eyes had a special keyboard 
>>> layout for
>>>> JAWS defectors?  Why couldn't the folks at VFO do the same for us?
>>>> Besides, we had to go to JAWS somewhat kicking and screaming; it
>>>> wasn't our choice.  So, how about it, folks?  What do you
>>>> think?--Matthew Chao
>>>>
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>>> of the
>>>> 

Re: Reciprocal Idea

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

You've made a good point here.  In WE it was quite easy to use the mouse 
move by clip commands to find the graphics to label yourself.  It also 
has a feature to pass the mouse over graphics to pop up tool tips to 
auto label those graphics.  You can label graphics in Jaws but I have no 
clue how to go about doing it.  Since VFO now owns WE it would be nice 
to think that they would look at it carefully to find some of the good 
Ideas that went into WE.  However as of now there seems to be no 
evidence that this might happen.  It seems that in the FS world that 
only good ideas come from inside the bubble.  Over time I'd love to be 
proven wrong.  I'm not holding my breath.  There's really nothing 
reciprocal about this situation.


It's up to us to figure things out.  I've found that Jaws and 
Thunderbird don't work well for me.  I have tried to adjust some Jaws 
settings to make it work better without success.  I'd like to figure out 
what I need to do to use Jaws with TB.  WE crashes TB on my system while 
NVDA seems to work like a champ.  Try NVDA with WLM and see if you can 
get it to work more to your liking.  For me it's easier to work with all 
three screen readers than it is to figure out some things in Jaws.  We 
all need to do what we have to do because it's really up to us to get 
what we want done.

--

On 6/11/2017 8:45 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
I just wish all of the graphics in windows live mail were labled.  Jaws 
doesn't say things like: read, replied to, forwarded etc. when arrowing 
up and down the windows live mail message list.


-Original Message- From: Brenda via Talk
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 12:53 PM
To: brice Mijares via Talk
Subject: Re: Reciprocal Idea

I think many of us are in the same boat.  I will use Window-eyes as long
as possible but am trying to learn jaws and not finding it very easy to do.

I'm glad this list is here so I can ask people who think in Window-eyes
how to do jaws stuff.

for instance, on the internet I hit N in Window-eyes to move down the
page.  Not sure why I like it better than arrow keys, but I seem to find
it efficient.  What is the jaws equivalent to this?

Brenda

On 6/10/2017 3:36 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
You got that right! Like they say, it's hard to teach an old dog new 
tricks. Smiles from another old buzzard!


On 6/10/2017 12:25 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:
When I learned Window Eyes, I had been a sighted user of Windows and 
the keyboard commands were more logical than JAWS.  Now I am older 
and it's harder to remember all the new commands in JAWS.  It seems 
to take more commands in JAWS than Window Eyes to do the same thing. 
I have installed JAWS and am trying it gradually to get use to it, 
but will still use WE as long as it works.

   - Original Message -
   From: Dennis Long via Talk
   To: 'Pamela Dominguez' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
   Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 1:41 PM
   Subject: RE: Reciprocal Idea


   Why it's true people need to realize that.  You had to learn  new 
keyboard

   commands when you bought window eyes.

   -Original Message-
   From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]

   On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
   Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 1:12 PM
   To: Neville; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Subject: Re: Reciprocal Idea

   You really didn't need to send this message.  Pam.

   -Original Message-
   From: Neville via Talk
   Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 9:34 PM
   To: Matthew Chao via Talk
   Subject: Re: Reciprocal Idea

   Hi,
   Window-eyes is dead so just get on with life and learn Jaws or NVDA.

   Neville


   On 9/06/2017 10:22 PM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote:
   > Hi, Folks.  Remember how Window-Eyes had a special keyboard 
layout for

   > JAWS defectors?  Why couldn't the folks at VFO do the same for us?
   > Besides, we had to go to JAWS somewhat kicking and screaming; it
   > wasn't our choice.  So, how about it, folks?  What do you
   > think?--Matthew Chao
   >
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Re: windows Creator

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Speaking of the windows 10 creator update, I see Microsoft has come out wint 
a preview of the windows 10 creators fall update for the insiders..  Has 
anyone tried it with window eyes.


-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 10:15 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: windows Creator

My PC just went through the upgrade to windows creator. Now it seem that 
both Jaws and WE are slow to respond and just now working correctly. Has 
anyone else experienced this?

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RE: windows Creator

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

No, all working fine here.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: 11 June 2017 18:16
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: windows Creator

My PC just went through the upgrade to windows creator. Now it seem that
both Jaws and WE are slow to respond and just now working correctly. Has
anyone else experienced this?
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