Re: Reciprocal Idea

Mon, 12 Jun 2017 07:57:14 -0700

You've made a good point here. In WE it was quite easy to use the mouse move by clip commands to find the graphics to label yourself. It also has a feature to pass the mouse over graphics to pop up tool tips to auto label those graphics. You can label graphics in Jaws but I have no clue how to go about doing it. Since VFO now owns WE it would be nice to think that they would look at it carefully to find some of the good Ideas that went into WE. However as of now there seems to be no evidence that this might happen. It seems that in the FS world that only good ideas come from inside the bubble. Over time I'd love to be proven wrong. I'm not holding my breath. There's really nothing reciprocal about this situation.
It's up to us to figure things out. I've found that Jaws and Thunderbird don't work well for me. I have tried to adjust some Jaws settings to make it work better without success. I'd like to figure out what I need to do to use Jaws with TB. WE crashes TB on my system while NVDA seems to work like a champ. Try NVDA with WLM and see if you can get it to work more to your liking. For me it's easier to work with all three screen readers than it is to figure out some things in Jaws. We all need to do what we have to do because it's really up to us to get what we want done. 
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On 6/11/2017 8:45 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
I just wish all of the graphics in windows live mail were labled. Jaws doesn't say things like: read, replied to, forwarded etc. when arrowing up and down the windows live mail message list. 

-----Original Message----- From: Brenda via Talk
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 12:53 PM
To: brice Mijares via Talk
Subject: Re: Reciprocal Idea

I think many of us are in the same boat.  I will use Window-eyes as long
as possible but am trying to learn jaws and not finding it very easy to do.

I'm glad this list is here so I can ask people who think in Window-eyes
how to do jaws stuff.

for instance, on the internet I hit N in Window-eyes to move down the
page.  Not sure why I like it better than arrow keys, but I seem to find
it efficient.  What is the jaws equivalent to this?

Brenda

On 6/10/2017 3:36 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
You got that right! Like they say, it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks. Smiles from another old buzzard! 

On 6/10/2017 12:25 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:
When I learned Window Eyes, I had been a sighted user of Windows and the keyboard commands were more logical than JAWS. Now I am older and it's harder to remember all the new commands in JAWS. It seems to take more commands in JAWS than Window Eyes to do the same thing. I have installed JAWS and am trying it gradually to get use to it, but will still use WE as long as it works. 
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Dennis Long via Talk
   To: 'Pamela Dominguez' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
   Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 1:41 PM
   Subject: RE: Reciprocal Idea
Why it's true people need to realize that. You had to learn new keyboard 
   commands when you bought window eyes.

   -----Original Message-----
From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] 
   On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
   Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 1:12 PM
   To: Neville; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Subject: Re: Reciprocal Idea

   You really didn't need to send this message.  Pam.

   -----Original Message-----
   From: Neville via Talk
   Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 9:34 PM
   To: Matthew Chao via Talk
   Subject: Re: Reciprocal Idea

   Hi,
   Window-eyes is dead so just get on with life and learn Jaws or NVDA.

   Neville


   On 9/06/2017 10:22 PM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote:
> Hi, Folks. Remember how Window-Eyes had a special keyboard layout for 
   > JAWS defectors?  Why couldn't the folks at VFO do the same for us?
   > Besides, we had to go to JAWS somewhat kicking and screaming; it
   > wasn't our choice.  So, how about it, folks?  What do you
   > think?--Matthew Chao
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