Re: Help Needed to Restore Sub-folders in a Folder to theDefaultLayout

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Tom,

Thanks for trying to help. I am facing two problems now.

1. I tried your suggestions but, unfortunately, I couldn't make any changes. 
The check boxes remain checked and the unchecked boxes remain unchecked.


2. I am not quite sure exactly what I should uncheck to get rid of the 
extraneous info.  When I cursor up or down in my list view (which I like) I 
hear things like "Group" or "a-h_ or "i-p". What is it that I should try to 
uncheck?


Hope you have some other ideas for me to try. Thanks for being so patient.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst

Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 9:45 PM
To: peter Chin
Subject: Re: Help Needed to Restore Sub-folders in a Folder to 
theDefaultLayout


Remember, if you press Alt_V and arrow down the list, you will be told which
item is checked. You must press the Enter key to check an item, and only one
item can be checked at a time. If you press O,  only one of these items can
be checked at once, and you must press the Enter key to do so. If you press
Alt+V and then H, you can choose the details you wish displayed by arrowing
down the list and pressing the Spacebar to check as many as you like then
tab to the OK button and press Enter. I just remembered that one may be able
to make some adjustments on what is announced on the screen with the Windows
Enhanced app of Window-Eyes. I haven't done this for a while, so I'm not
sure how much it can help, but I believe it did help me.

-Original Message- 
From: peter Chin

Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 11:07 PM
To: Tom Fairhurst
Subject: Re: Help Needed to Restore Sub-folders in a Folder to
theDefaultLayout

Hello List,

Thanks to all of you who have tried to help me. I got sighted help and
managed to sort out most of my problems. I no longer get unnecessary date
announcements. However, when I cursor around in the folder, I still get
announcements of group headings and I can find no way to silence them. When
I do alt-v+o I find I can't check or uncheck any of the items there. Anymore
suggestions, please?

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst

Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 12:28 AM
To: peter Chin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Help Needed to Restore Sub-folders in a Folder to
theDefaultLayout

Try hitting Alt-V and then the letter O. You should be able to make
additional changes there. I do this for Windows 7.

-Original Message- 
From: peter Chin via Talk

Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 9:42 PM
To: fender...@sbcglobal.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Help Needed to Restore Sub-folders in a Folder to
theDefaultLayout

Hello,

Thanks for your reply. I had already tried to do what you suggested but I
found that I couldn't check or uncheck any of the menu items. By the way,
the "None" item was already checked as well as the "Date Created" and the
"Date modified" but I couldn't make any changes. Any other suggestions,
please.

-Original Message- 
From: via Talk

Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 6:55 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Help Needed to Restore Sub-folders in a Folder to the
DefaultLayout

Hi, Peter.

It sounds like your user folders are grouped by date. While in that folder
view, press Alt-V for view and down arrow to the group by menu option. Press
enter and a sub menu should open, giving you options like name, date, size,
and maybe some other options. I'll bet the date option is checked. All you
have to do is keep down arrowing to the none option and press Enter.

That should straighten things out.
Lou N.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+fenderwal=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of peter Chin via Talk
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 6:09 AM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Help Needed to Restore Sub-folders in a Folder to the Default
Layout

Hello List,

I tried to send this message to the list but it didn't appear to have
reached it so I am sending it again.

I would like some help from anyone who is still using Windows 8.1 and
Window-Eyes.
I was fooling around in one of my folders in my User folder and somehow I

changed the way the subfolders are readout by my Window-Eyes 9.5.4. I have

managed to get the supfolders back into list view as I like it but now

Window-Eyes reads extraneous info such as "earlier this year" or "Last

week". How do I stop W-E from reading that info?


I am using Windows 8.1 with the free version of W-E.

 Help would be much appreciated.
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Re: switching to JAWS

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Albert:

The Read To End command is insert+down arrow if you're keyboard is in
Desktop mode and capslock-down arrow if your keyboard is in laptop
mode.
The passthrough command is insert-3 if you're keyboard is in desktop
mode and capslock-3 if your keyboard is in laptop mode.  (Note that
this is the number 3 on the top row of the keyboard, not the number 3
on the number pad.

Kevin Huber
)

On 6/6/17, Albert Sanchez via Talk  wrote:
> I am in the process of switching from WE 9 to JAWS and would like to know
> what is the "READ-TO-END" command in JAWS, also, what is the JAWS
> "Pass-through" command?
> Thanks,
> Albert Sanchez
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Re: Reenabling the Thunderbird App

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

I haven't used the TB app in ages. But if I remember correctly, when 
using the app the set files are not supposed to be associated. They are 
loaded by the app. So if you associate them they will be loading twice.
If the app is shown in the App manager when TB is open it should be 
working correctly. And if the set files are in the Window-Eyes control 
panel title bar when in TB but not associated they're still loaded.

Regards,
Tom


On 6/27/2017 10:36 AM, Kevin Huber via Talk wrote:

Hi Matthew:
Here are the steps to associate that set file with Thunderbird
1. Run Thunderbird.
2. Go to the Window-eyes control pannel.
3. Arrow down to Associations.
4. Since it is a pullddown menu, press the Right Arrow key to open it.
5. Arrow down to Current Association.
6. Tab once to Current Association and type in the set file name, in
this case, the Thunderbird set file.
7. Tab again and you will get to a Radio button with three options,
right the default is None.  Choose the option you want.
8.  Tab to OK and press the Enter key.
I hope this helps.

Kevin Huber

On 6/26/17, Matthew Chao via Talk  wrote:

Hi, Folks.  Yes, there are some Window-Eyes holdouts, so here goes.  I
reinstalled the Enhanced Thunderbird app for WE.  Am using Version
9.5.4.  How do I get this app to associate with Mozilla Thunderbird?
Thanks in advance.--Matthew Chao

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Re: Reenabling the Thunderbird App

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Matthew:
Here are the steps to associate that set file with Thunderbird
1. Run Thunderbird.
2. Go to the Window-eyes control pannel.
3. Arrow down to Associations.
4. Since it is a pullddown menu, press the Right Arrow key to open it.
5. Arrow down to Current Association.
6. Tab once to Current Association and type in the set file name, in
this case, the Thunderbird set file.
7. Tab again and you will get to a Radio button with three options,
right the default is None.  Choose the option you want.
8.  Tab to OK and press the Enter key.
I hope this helps.

Kevin Huber

On 6/26/17, Matthew Chao via Talk  wrote:
> Hi, Folks.  Yes, there are some Window-Eyes holdouts, so here goes.  I
> reinstalled the Enhanced Thunderbird app for WE.  Am using Version
> 9.5.4.  How do I get this app to associate with Mozilla Thunderbird?
> Thanks in advance.--Matthew Chao
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Re: Getting keyboard settings to stick once and for all

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Jeff

,

Thanks for your kind advice, it is really appreciated, but you wont 
believe this


.
About a year and a half ago, I was having this same problem, and at the 
time, I discovered that it seemed to go haywire whenever I switched from 
any app back to Winamp. When I say app, I'm talking about the more 
modern use of the word, for programs, rather than WE scripts. It just so 
happened that the author of the Winamp script/app placed a line 
directing the turning off of the keyboard voice. I don't have any idea 
why this should be the case, but nevertheless he did.


About a year and a half ago, as I mentioned above, Rod Hutton offered to 
try figuring this out by checking out the script, and that is where he 
discovered the offending line. He corrected it for our purposes, and 
after installing the script, everything began to work like a charm.


As I was telling Rod, I can't believe I had forgotten that issue, and 
yet, I think I came ever so close to remembering this at about 3:00 this 
morning, but didn't totally put it together. Either too early, or 
getting too old or something I guess .


Anyway, those solutions should definitely work under normal conditions, 
but when the issue comes from a totally unsuspected source the way it 
did, only luck and a bit of genius can get to the bottom of something 
like this I'm afraid.


But sincerely, thanks for your efforts, they were definitely appreciated.

Take care,

Larry


On 6/27/2017 8:48 AM, Jeff Weiss wrote:

You may have tried this, but here is what works for me:
1.  make sure all other programs and windows are closed and then 
restart window-eyes.

2 press control-backslash to enter the we control panel.
3 arrow down to keyboard settings.
4 right arrow once to voice.
5 tab to make sure global is showing.
6 tab again to the eight choices--the one you want is the second 
choice--voice global on with characters.

7 tab to save settings and press enter.

This should work-- but like I mentioned before, you might need to do 
this with all three main setfiles--that is:

default.set
wineyes.set
and
explorer.set.

It should not be necessary to do this more than once, but I found it 
helped to repeat this process with each of these three main set files 
showing in the control panel title bar.


hth,
Jeff



-Original Message- From: Larry Higgins
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 8:29 PM
To: Jeff Weiss ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Getting keyboard settings to stick once and for all

Jeff, Sorry about the rather delayed response.


As for the layout, I am using the default. The only setting I am
interested in making on a global level is the speak characters setting,
and this setting will not stick, no matter how I go about saving it.


I know that I succeeded, all be it with a little help back when I
started using this PC, but after the hard drive crash, it has been, so
far at least, absolutely impossible to save this setting.


I have saved all three ways, namely, ctrl+s, by tabbing to the option in
the settings dialog box, and using the save option in the file menu, all
to no avail.


Now here goes my paranoia, hopefully there isn't possibly some sabotage
by the powers that be in order to make the Office version just that much
tougher to use over time. In other words, an attempt at acceleration of
the inevitable . OK, I think I'm kidding, but anything is
possible online these days.


But anyway, if you or anybody else can help with this little yet big
annoyance, it would really be very much appreciated.

Sincerely,

Larry

On 6/26/2017 10:58 AM, Jeff Weiss wrote:
I may have missed the beginning of this discussion, but I will give 
you some suggestions for saving settings in Window-eyes:
First of all, Make sure that in the keyboard settings that you have 
selected the layout that you want. I always use the Window-eyes 
default layout.
After selecting this, tab to apply layout and press it, and then tab 
to save settings and press enter.
Second, there appear to be at least three set files which are used 
when there is not a specific set file for a particular program.

They are
explorer.set,
wineyes.set,
and default.set.
Now when you are making global settings changes, as long as global is 
showing in the setting that you are tabbing through, when you tab to 
save settings and press enter, it should save those settings 
globally, but sometimes, I have had to make the change again for the 
other setfiles listed above.


If you have tried all of this, and still need help, give me a 
specific example of what the problem is?

What set file is loaded when saving settings?
Is Window-eyes default the layout you have chosen?
Which specific settings don't stick?

Jeff Weiss


-Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 9:46 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Getting keyboard settings to stick once and for all

I sure  hope that someone can refresh my memory on this one.


Let me just say at the outset 

Re: Getting keyboard settings to stick once and for all

[Jeff Weiss via Talk]

You may have tried this, but here is what works for me:
1.  make sure all other programs and windows are closed and then restart 
window-eyes.

2 press control-backslash to enter the we control panel.
3 arrow down to keyboard settings.
4 right arrow once to voice.
5 tab to make sure global is showing.
6 tab again to the eight choices--the one you want is the second 
choice--voice global on with characters.

7 tab to save settings and press enter.

This should work-- but like I mentioned before, you might need to do this 
with all three main setfiles--that is:

default.set
wineyes.set
and
explorer.set.

It should not be necessary to do this more than once, but I found it helped 
to repeat this process with each of these three main set files showing in 
the control panel title bar.


hth,
Jeff



-Original Message- 
From: Larry Higgins

Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 8:29 PM
To: Jeff Weiss ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Getting keyboard settings to stick once and for all

Jeff, Sorry about the rather delayed response.


As for the layout, I am using the default. The only setting I am
interested in making on a global level is the speak characters setting,
and this setting will not stick, no matter how I go about saving it.


I know that I succeeded, all be it with a little help back when I
started using this PC, but after the hard drive crash, it has been, so
far at least, absolutely impossible to save this setting.


I have saved all three ways, namely, ctrl+s, by tabbing to the option in
the settings dialog box, and using the save option in the file menu, all
to no avail.


Now here goes my paranoia, hopefully there isn't possibly some sabotage
by the powers that be in order to make the Office version just that much
tougher to use over time. In other words, an attempt at acceleration of
the inevitable . OK, I think I'm kidding, but anything is
possible online these days.


But anyway, if you or anybody else can help with this little yet big
annoyance, it would really be very much appreciated.

Sincerely,

Larry

On 6/26/2017 10:58 AM, Jeff Weiss wrote:
I may have missed the beginning of this discussion, but I will give you 
some suggestions for saving settings in Window-eyes:
First of all, Make sure that in the keyboard settings that you have 
selected the layout that you want. I always use the Window-eyes default 
layout.
After selecting this, tab to apply layout and press it, and then tab to 
save settings and press enter.
Second, there appear to be at least three set files which are used when 
there is not a specific set file for a particular program.

They are
explorer.set,
wineyes.set,
and default.set.
Now when you are making global settings changes, as long as global is 
showing in the setting that you are tabbing through, when you tab to save 
settings and press enter, it should save  those settings globally, but 
sometimes, I have had to make the change again for the other setfiles 
listed above.


If you have tried all of this, and still need help, give me a specific 
example of what the problem is?

What set file is loaded when saving settings?
Is Window-eyes default the layout you have chosen?
Which specific settings don't stick?

Jeff Weiss


-Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 9:46 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Getting keyboard settings to stick once and for all

I sure  hope that someone can refresh my memory on this one.


Let me just say at the outset that all of the usual suspects for saving
settings have been tried, at least to my knowledge. I even tried saving
settings to set files as I went along, but to know avail.


I believe that someone gave me a really great tip for making sure these
ssetting stuck once and for all, but it has been so long ago, and any
hope I might have for retrieving them from old email vanished with my
hard drive crash.


Needless to say, this is really driving me nuts, just one more headache
I don't need while trying to rebuild my computer environment.


If anybody could please, please help, it would be most gratefully
appreciated. Please don't suggest switching to JAWS, that ain't
happening any time too soon I'm afraid. A bit of a financial setback due
to my recent experience.


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RE: Getting keyboard settings to stick once and for all

[gosselin_louis via Talk]

And, when all else fails, try rebooting.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+gosselin_louis=myfairpoint@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 10:40 PM
To: Larry Higgins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Getting keyboard settings to stick once and for all

try opening the settings pull down and  shift tab into the list of files. w
e
may of changed to another folder where there is no set files.
if so shift tab again to the list of folders and find the default folder and

press enter on it. then tab back to the list to see if the set files are
there.
this has happened tome 2 times and i could not save my settings.
its worth a try.

-Original Message-
From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:29 PM
To: Jeff Weiss ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Getting keyboard settings to stick once and for all

Jeff, Sorry about the rather delayed response.


As for the layout, I am using the default. The only setting I am
interested in making on a global level is the speak characters setting,
and this setting will not stick, no matter how I go about saving it.


I know that I succeeded, all be it with a little help back when I
started using this PC, but after the hard drive crash, it has been, so
far at least, absolutely impossible to save this setting.


I have saved all three ways, namely, ctrl+s, by tabbing to the option in
the settings dialog box, and using the save option in the file menu, all
to no avail.


Now here goes my paranoia, hopefully there isn't possibly some sabotage
by the powers that be in order to make the Office version just that much
tougher to use over time. In other words, an attempt at acceleration of
the inevitable . OK, I think I'm kidding, but anything is
possible online these days.


But anyway, if you or anybody else can help with this little yet big
annoyance, it would really be very much appreciated.

Sincerely,

Larry

On 6/26/2017 10:58 AM, Jeff Weiss wrote:
> I may have missed the beginning of this discussion, but I will give you
some
> suggestions for saving settings in Window-eyes:
> First of all, Make sure that in the keyboard settings that you have
selected
> the layout that you want. I always use the Window-eyes default layout.
> After selecting this, tab to apply layout and press it, and then tab to
save
> settings and press enter.
> Second, there appear to be at least three set files which are used when
there
> is not a specific set file for a particular program.
> They are
> explorer.set,
> wineyes.set,
> and default.set.
> Now when you are making global settings changes, as long as global is
showing
> in the setting that you are tabbing through, when you tab to save settings

> and press enter, it should save  those settings globally, but sometimes, I

> have had to make the change again for the other setfiles listed above.
>
> If you have tried all of this, and still need help, give me a specific
> example of what the problem is?
> What set file is loaded when saving settings?
> Is Window-eyes default the layout you have chosen?
> Which specific settings don't stick?
>
> Jeff Weiss
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 9:46 AM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: Getting keyboard settings to stick once and for all
>
> I sure  hope that someone can refresh my memory on this one.
>
>
> Let me just say at the outset that all of the usual suspects for saving
> settings have been tried, at least to my knowledge. I even tried saving
> settings to set files as I went along, but to know avail.
>
>
> I believe that someone gave me a really great tip for making sure these
> ssetting stuck once and for all, but it has been so long ago, and any
> hope I might have for retrieving them from old email vanished with my
> hard drive crash.
>
>
> Needless to say, this is really driving me nuts, just one more headache
> I don't need while trying to rebuild my computer environment.
>
>
> If anybody could please, please help, it would be most gratefully
> appreciated. Please don't suggest switching to JAWS, that ain't
> happening any time too soon I'm afraid. A bit of a financial setback due
> to my recent experience.
>
>
> I will close for now before I become grumpy  is desperately needed.
>
>
> Larry
>
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Re: Progress indicator still does not work!

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Can you give some specifics? Obviously different people have different 
needs and wants, but sometimes I wonder if we like and dislike based on 
a sort of nit picking.

On 6/27/2017 2:36 AM, Dennis Long wrote:
> NVDA is no where close to jaws in my opinion.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 8:58 PM
> To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Progress indicator still does not work!
> 
> So if you don't use a screen reader for work how stable isNVDA for
> general internet and e-mail use?  Because I don't receive a lot of e-mails,
> I don't share with the list many of the issues most of you seem to have (ie
> multiple folders and address b.ooks).  I use Thunderbird - and IE & Firefox
> for web browsing.  I am planning on downloading (and
> learning) Windows-10 before trying to learn another screen reader.
> 
> On 6/26/2017 8:22 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
>> I am finding that NVDA is meeting my needs better than Jaws.I say
>> this having been a Window Eyes user for over 20 years.
>>
>> On 6/26/2017 6:20 PM, michaels mail via Talk wrote:
>>> I find with Jaws it does not always read the progress status all the
>>> time.
>>> We was very spoilt with window eyes that just did it for us.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Richard Jarvis via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 5:54 AM
>>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com cheers Michael.
>>> Subject: Progress indicator still does not work!
>>>
>>> Thank you Net bat for the info.  I went into the jaws control panel
>>> but was unable to get the progress indicator to work. It is set to
>>> give progress every 5 seconds.  Even though it is set to do so it won't
> work.
>>>Never had this problem with win-eyes.   Thanks Rick
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RE: Progress indicator still does not work!

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Again change how often it speaks.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of michaels mail via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 7:21 PM
To: Richard Jarvis; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Progress indicator still does not work!

I find with Jaws it does not always read the progress status all the time.
We was very spoilt with window eyes that just did it for us.


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From: Richard Jarvis via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 5:54 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com cheers Michael.
Subject: Progress indicator still does not work!

Thank you Net bat for the info.  I went into the jaws control panel but was
unable to get the progress indicator to work. It is set to give progress
every 5 seconds.  Even though it is set to do so it won't work.
  Never had this problem with win-eyes.   Thanks Rick
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RE: Progress indicator still does not work!

[Dennis Long via Talk]

NVDA is no where close to jaws in my opinion.

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On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 8:58 PM
To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Progress indicator still does not work!

So if you don't use a screen reader for work how stable is  NVDA for 
general internet and e-mail use?  Because I don't receive a lot of e-mails,
I don't share with the list many of the issues most of you seem to have (ie
multiple folders and address b.ooks).  I use Thunderbird - and IE & Firefox
for web browsing.  I am planning on downloading (and
learning) Windows-10 before trying to learn another screen reader.

On 6/26/2017 8:22 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
> I am finding that NVDA is meeting my needs better than Jaws.I say 
> this having been a Window Eyes user for over 20 years.
> 
> On 6/26/2017 6:20 PM, michaels mail via Talk wrote:
>> I find with Jaws it does not always read the progress status all the 
>> time.
>> We was very spoilt with window eyes that just did it for us.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Richard Jarvis via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 5:54 AM
>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com cheers Michael.
>> Subject: Progress indicator still does not work!
>>
>> Thank you Net bat for the info.  I went into the jaws control panel 
>> but was unable to get the progress indicator to work. It is set to 
>> give progress every 5 seconds.  Even though it is set to do so it won't
work.
>>   Never had this problem with win-eyes.   Thanks Rick
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