Re: One more question about KNFB Reader

2017-11-29 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk 
I wonder why it wouldn't optimize a scanned image just as well as a 
camera image. After all, an image is an image. I imagine it needs a 
particular format or formats. But I would think this would be expanded 
in the desktop version. Although be it that it requires Windows 10 I 
wouldn't be surprised if it weren't using the Windows OCR engine.
As for formatting of the document? I agree. I doubt it will do what the 
full blown OCR packages do.
Starting to read the text as soon as possible is an option that can be 
turned off. It's great for one off shots. I imagine turning batch mode 
on turns it off automatically. It wouldn't make sense to have it 
babbling away while you're trying to take the next shot.

Regards,
Tom


On 11/29/2017 11:18 PM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:

Larry and others,

Please understand that I have some exposure to the KNFB reader but don't
sell it and am not an expert.  I have not used it under Windows 10 yet.
According to someone else who responded on the KNFB Reader list, they have
used it with a scanner.  Two things to keep in mind though, are that it may
not optimize a scanner to the same degree it does a camera, and it may not
retain formatting to the degree that Open Book, Kurzweil 1000, FineReader or
OmniPage do, but it is less expensive.  Its strength is working through a
camera, and also to start reading the text quickly.  It is designed to start
reading text before an entire page has been completely processed by the OCR
engine.  Your best bet would be to get on the Reader-User's list and ask
questions there before you make a purchase.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Subject: One more question about KNFB Reader

Hello Listers,


I am just wondering if the KNFB Reader can be used as a substitute for
the Openbook program with Windows 10, which I am not in a hurry to
reinstall, and then upgrade.


The clearest way I guess I can ask the question is if one can use a
flatbed scanner with the software in the same way one can with Openbook,
or is it designed only to work with a camera.


Surely, the KNFB Reader would be a bit less expensive than OpenBook, right?



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RE: One more question about KNFB Reader

2017-11-29 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk 
Larry and others,

Please understand that I have some exposure to the KNFB reader but don't
sell it and am not an expert.  I have not used it under Windows 10 yet.
According to someone else who responded on the KNFB Reader list, they have
used it with a scanner.  Two things to keep in mind though, are that it may
not optimize a scanner to the same degree it does a camera, and it may not
retain formatting to the degree that Open Book, Kurzweil 1000, FineReader or
OmniPage do, but it is less expensive.  Its strength is working through a
camera, and also to start reading the text quickly.  It is designed to start
reading text before an entire page has been completely processed by the OCR
engine.  Your best bet would be to get on the Reader-User's list and ask
questions there before you make a purchase.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 9:55 PM
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Cc: Larry Higgins 
Subject: One more question about KNFB Reader

Hello Listers,


I am just wondering if the KNFB Reader can be used as a substitute for 
the Openbook program with Windows 10, which I am not in a hurry to 
reinstall, and then upgrade.


The clearest way I guess I can ask the question is if one can use a 
flatbed scanner with the software in the same way one can with Openbook, 
or is it designed only to work with a camera.


Surely, the KNFB Reader would be a bit less expensive than OpenBook, right?



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One more question about KNFB Reader

2017-11-29 Thread Larry Higgins via Talk 

Hello Listers,


I am just wondering if the KNFB Reader can be used as a substitute for 
the Openbook program with Windows 10, which I am not in a hurry to 
reinstall, and then upgrade.



The clearest way I guess I can ask the question is if one can use a 
flatbed scanner with the software in the same way one can with Openbook, 
or is it designed only to work with a camera.



Surely, the KNFB Reader would be a bit less expensive than OpenBook, right?



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Re: Help with JAWS spell checking in Outlook and Word

2017-11-29 Thread Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk 
JAWS also has Alt-Shift-L, which acts somewhat like the Window-Eyes 
Alt-semicolon hotkey does.




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-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 1:12 PM
To: Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Help with JAWS spell checking in Outlook and Word

Robin,
I don't know about JAWS as I've barely gotten beyond wrestling with it
for a bit here and there. But Word itself has a keyboard shortcut to
jump to the next spelling or grammatical error: Alt+F7.
Here's a link to a page with all the keyboard shortcuts.
http://www.keyxl.com/aaa2cd7/445/Microsoft-Word-2010-keyboard-shortcuts.htm
Hth,
Tom


On 11/29/2017 12:40 PM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:

All,
I'm struggling with the transition to JAWS as it relates to spell checking 
a Word document or Outlook email.  I absolutely loved the Window Eyes 
feature allowing me to move to each  error with Alt semicolon and 
apostrophe.   I really did not get the hang of navigating the Spell 
checking dialog efficiently.   So, to those who have made the transition, 
can you guide me as to the best way to spell check?  I'm in Office 2010.




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Re: Help with JAWS spell checking in Outlook and Word

2017-11-29 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk 

Brenda,
You can purchase the same Vocalizer Expressive voices for NVDA. You just 
have to remember to unregister them from your current computer when you 
get a new one and register them on that computer.

Regards,
Tom


On 11/29/2017 3:43 PM, Brenda via Talk wrote:

Thank you tom, Robin and Rebecca for this topic.

I have been struggling with jowls and missing the simplicity of ALT; or 
' to quickly do a spell check in Word.


I will try the ALT-F7 method you are talking about.

I am slowly learning jowls. I would go straight to NVDA but I don't want 
to purchase new voices for my win7 machine as it won't be around too 
much longer and I don't like the available voices for NVDA. Jowls does 
have nice voices as did Window-eyes.


Brenda

On 11/29/2017 2:45 PM, Rebecca Lineberger via Talk wrote:
I know W-E gave us its own way to check spelling, but I've used the 
alt-f7
method for spellchecking for years in Window-Eyes.  Just to play with 
JAWS

and my Office 2010, I tried the old f7 way.  JAWS does a nice job, saying
and then spelling the incorrect word, then doing the same for what it
suggests as the preferred replacement.  The only thing I had to 
remember is
that enter is for ignore, not change.  LOL. If you don't like the 
suggested
replacement, tab once to a list box with all the suggestions.  You can 
arrow

down through them and JAWS says and spells each.  If you continue to tab
through, you will find a grammar box which you can uncheck if you choose.
JAWS continues to find misspellings automatically without your having to
press f7 again.
  My hands just automatically press alt-f7.  If you want to check the
spelling of the suggestion, which JAWS does not give you with this 
method,

just press insert numpad 5 twice.
For any other misspellings you'll need to press the alt-f7 again each 
time

as you do with the alt-apostrophe in W-E. .
Rebecca
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Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 1:59 PM
To: Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Help with JAWS spell checking in Outlook and Word

Hmm. I haven't had any problems with Window-Eyes. And I'm running the 
latest
fall creators update. That's why I have little incentive to figure out 
JAWS.

Actually I've spent more time with NVDA. I don't think either are on par
with Window-Eyes. But if I can get the freebie working I'll go that 
route.

Good luck,
Tom


On 11/29/2017 1:35 PM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:
Thanks, Tom.  Not as friendly on the fingers and it seems to 
automatically
expand the context menu before I even know what word is highlighted, 
but I'm

glad to have an option to play with.   Yeah, I've been pokey about the
migration process, but I keep having weird silencing issues in Window 
Eyes,

so I'm really trying to get myself onto JAWS.






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Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:13 AM
To: Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Help with JAWS spell checking in Outlook and Word

Robin,
I don't know about JAWS as I've barely gotten beyond wrestling with 
it for
a bit here and there. But Word itself has a keyboard shortcut to jump 
to the

next spelling or grammatical error: Alt+F7.

Here's a link to a page with all the keyboard shortcuts.
http://www.keyxl.com/aaa2cd7/445/Microsoft-Word-2010-keyboard-shortcut
s.htm
Hth,
Tom


On 11/29/2017 12:40 PM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:

All,
I'm struggling with the transition to JAWS as it relates to spell

checking a Word document or Outlook email.  I absolutely loved the Window
Eyes feature allowing me to move to each  error with Alt semicolon and
apostrophe.   I really did not get the hang of navigating the Spell 
checking

dialog efficiently.   So, to those who have made the transition, can you
guide me as to the best way to spell check?  I'm in Office 2010.




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Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance
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RE: Observations

2017-11-29 Thread Van Lant, Robin via Talk 
The only way I survive any of these lists is by using the conversation view in 
Outlook.  I have each group list automatically go into a respective folder and 
then have the message grouped by conversation thread with the subject line read 
first so that I can quickly delete topics.  I am so grateful for several lists 
for technical help.   





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On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 3:02 PM
To: Brenda via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Observations

I'm with you, Brenda. I'm only on this and another low traffic list and 
sometimes struggle to keep up. I joined the NVDA list a week or two ago and 
lasted one afternoon. It was an endless stream of pointless posts. I think some 
people live on mailing lists. How sad.
Regards,
Tom


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> Hi List,
> 
> I usually check email on my iPhone, deleting those with topics I'm not 
> interested in or saving them to reply to on my pc which I  don't visit 
> that often.
> 
> today as I went through my email on my desktop it was so nice to see 
> this list being active with a variety of people participating.
> 
> I'm glad Window-eyes is still hanging in there but I'm also glad I can 
> get jaws help from a Window-eyes prospective. I know there is a jaws 
> list but I can't spend my day reading emails.
> 
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Re: Observations

2017-11-29 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk 
I'm with you, Brenda. I'm only on this and another low traffic list and 
sometimes struggle to keep up. I joined the NVDA list a week or two ago 
and lasted one afternoon. It was an endless stream of pointless posts. I 
think some people live on mailing lists. How sad.

Regards,
Tom


On 11/29/2017 3:51 PM, Brenda via Talk wrote:

Hi List,

I usually check email on my iPhone, deleting those with topics I'm not 
interested in or saving them to reply to on my pc which I  don't visit 
that often.


today as I went through my email on my desktop it was so nice to see 
this list being active with a variety of people participating.


I'm glad Window-eyes is still hanging in there but I'm also glad I can 
get jaws help from a Window-eyes prospective. I know there is a jaws 
list but I can't spend my day reading emails.


Brenda
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Observations

2017-11-29 Thread Brenda via Talk 

Hi List,

I usually check email on my iPhone, deleting those with topics I'm not 
interested in or saving them to reply to on my pc which I  don't visit 
that often.


today as I went through my email on my desktop it was so nice to see 
this list being active with a variety of people participating.


I'm glad Window-eyes is still hanging in there but I'm also glad I can 
get jaws help from a Window-eyes prospective. I know there is a jaws 
list but I can't spend my day reading emails.


Brenda
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Saying punctuation in Jaws

2017-11-29 Thread Brenda via Talk 
How do you make jaws read punctuation in thunderbird or Word? It reads 
question mark but not period or commas.


With Window-eyes someone (sorry, can't remember who) even made a 
wonderful script where you could toggle spoken punctuation. Finding, 
buying and installing jaws scripts is out of the question, so I'm hoping 
there is an easy setting for this.


Thanks,
Brenda
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Re: Help with JAWS spell checking in Outlook and Word

2017-11-29 Thread Brenda via Talk 

Thank you tom, Robin and Rebecca for this topic.

I have been struggling with jowls and missing the simplicity of ALT; or 
' to quickly do a spell check in Word.


I will try the ALT-F7 method you are talking about.

I am slowly learning jowls. I would go straight to NVDA but I don't want 
to purchase new voices for my win7 machine as it won't be around too 
much longer and I don't like the available voices for NVDA. Jowls does 
have nice voices as did Window-eyes.


Brenda

On 11/29/2017 2:45 PM, Rebecca Lineberger via Talk wrote:

I know W-E gave us its own way to check spelling, but I've used the alt-f7
method for spellchecking for years in Window-Eyes.  Just to play with JAWS
and my Office 2010, I tried the old f7 way.  JAWS does a nice job, saying
and then spelling the incorrect word, then doing the same for what it
suggests as the preferred replacement.  The only thing I had to remember is
that enter is for ignore, not change.  LOL. If you don't like the suggested
replacement, tab once to a list box with all the suggestions.  You can arrow
down through them and JAWS says and spells each.  If you continue to tab
through, you will find a grammar box which you can uncheck if you choose.
JAWS continues to find misspellings automatically without your having to
press f7 again.
  My hands just automatically press alt-f7.  If you want to check the
spelling of the suggestion, which JAWS does not give you with this method,
just press insert numpad 5 twice.
For any other misspellings you'll need to press the alt-f7 again each time
as you do with the alt-apostrophe in W-E. .
Rebecca
-Original Message-
From: Talk
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Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 1:59 PM
To: Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Help with JAWS spell checking in Outlook and Word

Hmm. I haven't had any problems with Window-Eyes. And I'm running the latest
fall creators update. That's why I have little incentive to figure out JAWS.
Actually I've spent more time with NVDA. I don't think either are on par
with Window-Eyes. But if I can get the freebie working I'll go that route.
Good luck,
Tom


On 11/29/2017 1:35 PM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:

Thanks, Tom.  Not as friendly on the fingers and it seems to automatically

expand the context menu before I even know what word is highlighted, but I'm
glad to have an option to play with.   Yeah, I've been pokey about the
migration process, but I keep having weird silencing issues in Window Eyes,
so I'm really trying to get myself onto JAWS.






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Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:13 AM
To: Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Help with JAWS spell checking in Outlook and Word

Robin,
I don't know about JAWS as I've barely gotten beyond wrestling with it for

a bit here and there. But Word itself has a keyboard shortcut to jump to the
next spelling or grammatical error: Alt+F7.

Here's a link to a page with all the keyboard shortcuts.
http://www.keyxl.com/aaa2cd7/445/Microsoft-Word-2010-keyboard-shortcut
s.htm
Hth,
Tom


On 11/29/2017 12:40 PM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:

All,
I'm struggling with the transition to JAWS as it relates to spell

checking a Word document or Outlook email.  I absolutely loved the Window
Eyes feature allowing me to move to each  error with Alt semicolon and
apostrophe.   I really did not get the hang of navigating the Spell checking
dialog efficiently.   So, to those who have made the transition, can you
guide me as to the best way to spell check?  I'm in Office 2010.




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Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance
720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com



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RE: Help with JAWS spell checking in Outlook and Word

2017-11-29 Thread Rebecca Lineberger via Talk 
I know W-E gave us its own way to check spelling, but I've used the alt-f7
method for spellchecking for years in Window-Eyes.  Just to play with JAWS
and my Office 2010, I tried the old f7 way.  JAWS does a nice job, saying
and then spelling the incorrect word, then doing the same for what it
suggests as the preferred replacement.  The only thing I had to remember is
that enter is for ignore, not change.  LOL. If you don't like the suggested
replacement, tab once to a list box with all the suggestions.  You can arrow
down through them and JAWS says and spells each.  If you continue to tab
through, you will find a grammar box which you can uncheck if you choose. 
JAWS continues to find misspellings automatically without your having to
press f7 again.
 My hands just automatically press alt-f7.  If you want to check the
spelling of the suggestion, which JAWS does not give you with this method,
just press insert numpad 5 twice.
For any other misspellings you'll need to press the alt-f7 again each time
as you do with the alt-apostrophe in W-E. .
Rebecca
-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+drlineberger=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 1:59 PM
To: Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Help with JAWS spell checking in Outlook and Word

Hmm. I haven't had any problems with Window-Eyes. And I'm running the latest
fall creators update. That's why I have little incentive to figure out JAWS.
Actually I've spent more time with NVDA. I don't think either are on par
with Window-Eyes. But if I can get the freebie working I'll go that route.
Good luck,
Tom


On 11/29/2017 1:35 PM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:
> Thanks, Tom.  Not as friendly on the fingers and it seems to automatically
expand the context menu before I even know what word is highlighted, but I'm
glad to have an option to play with.   Yeah, I've been pokey about the
migration process, but I keep having weird silencing issues in Window Eyes,
so I'm really trying to get myself onto JAWS.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:13 AM
> To: Van Lant, Robin via Talk
> Cc: Tom Kingston
> Subject: Re: Help with JAWS spell checking in Outlook and Word
> 
> Robin,
> I don't know about JAWS as I've barely gotten beyond wrestling with it for
a bit here and there. But Word itself has a keyboard shortcut to jump to the
next spelling or grammatical error: Alt+F7.
> Here's a link to a page with all the keyboard shortcuts.
> http://www.keyxl.com/aaa2cd7/445/Microsoft-Word-2010-keyboard-shortcut
> s.htm
> Hth,
> Tom
> 
> 
> On 11/29/2017 12:40 PM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:
>> All,
>> I'm struggling with the transition to JAWS as it relates to spell
checking a Word document or Outlook email.  I absolutely loved the Window
Eyes feature allowing me to move to each  error with Alt semicolon and
apostrophe.   I really did not get the hang of navigating the Spell checking
dialog efficiently.   So, to those who have made the transition, can you
guide me as to the best way to spell check?  I'm in Office 2010.
>>
>>
>>
>> Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager
>> Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance
>> 720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com
>>
>>
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FW: [Reader-users] KNFB Reader on Windows Without a Camera

2017-11-29 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk 
Robert,

Here is finally an answer to your question.  This person appears to be doing
what you want to do.  Thank you for your patience.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


-Original Message-
From: Reader-Users [mailto:reader-users-boun...@nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Matt From Florida via Reader-Users
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 12:14 PM
To: 'Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list'

Cc: Matt From Florida 
Subject: Re: [Reader-users] KNFB Reader on Windows Without a Camera

Hi, I use KNFB reader on my windows 10 PC without a scanner or camera all
the time. You just have to have a way to import the file into your computer
so you can open it up in KNFB reader.
It works very well. Not perfect but very well.
So yes you can use KNFB reader on your windows PC without a scanner or
camera.
You will have to import files by email or some kind of cloud storage like
drop box or some other way to get the file on to your computer and then you
can open it in KNFB reader.


Matt
matt.from.flor...@gmail.com

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From: Reader-Users [mailto:reader-users-boun...@nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Larry Lumpkin via Reader-Users
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 9:23 AM
To: 'Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list'
Cc: llump...@austin.rr.com
Subject: Re: [Reader-users] KNFB Reader on Windows Without a Camera

You can use knfb with a scanner. I have it on my windows machine but don't
use it much because I don't think it's very good.


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Steve Jacobson via Reader-Users
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 10:27 PM
To: reader-us...@nfbnet.org
Cc: Steve Jacobson 
Subject: [Reader-users] KNFB Reader on Windows Without a Camera

I had a question on another list whether KNFB Reader would run on a Windows
computer without a camera attached.  The person raising the question is
thinking about using it on scanned PDF's.  They may not have JAWS so may not
have the capability build in there.  I know that the KNFB Reader will do
that, but I don't know if it might throw an error if it doesn't find a
camera when starting up.  I don't own it on Windows so can't experiment.  

Thanks.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson



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Re: Help with JAWS spell checking in Outlook and Word

2017-11-29 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk 
Hmm. I haven't had any problems with Window-Eyes. And I'm running the 
latest fall creators update. That's why I have little incentive to 
figure out JAWS.
Actually I've spent more time with NVDA. I don't think either are on par 
with Window-Eyes. But if I can get the freebie working I'll go that route.

Good luck,
Tom


On 11/29/2017 1:35 PM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:

Thanks, Tom.  Not as friendly on the fingers and it seems to automatically 
expand the context menu before I even know what word is highlighted, but I'm 
glad to have an option to play with.   Yeah, I've been pokey about the 
migration process, but I keep having weird silencing issues in Window Eyes, so 
I'm really trying to get myself onto JAWS.





-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:13 AM
To: Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Help with JAWS spell checking in Outlook and Word

Robin,
I don't know about JAWS as I've barely gotten beyond wrestling with it for a 
bit here and there. But Word itself has a keyboard shortcut to jump to the next 
spelling or grammatical error: Alt+F7.
Here's a link to a page with all the keyboard shortcuts.
http://www.keyxl.com/aaa2cd7/445/Microsoft-Word-2010-keyboard-shortcuts.htm
Hth,
Tom


On 11/29/2017 12:40 PM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:

All,
I'm struggling with the transition to JAWS as it relates to spell checking a 
Word document or Outlook email.  I absolutely loved the Window Eyes feature 
allowing me to move to each  error with Alt semicolon and apostrophe.   I 
really did not get the hang of navigating the Spell checking dialog 
efficiently.   So, to those who have made the transition, can you guide me as 
to the best way to spell check?  I'm in Office 2010.



Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager
Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance
720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com



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RE: KNFB Reader List Information

2017-11-29 Thread Bob Hicks via Talk 
Thanks, already there!

Have a great day!

Bob Hicks


-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+bob=seeinghandassociation@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 12:58 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Steve Jacobson 
Subject: KNFB Reader List Information

Bob,

You can get information about the readers list at

http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/reader-users_nfbnet.org

There is an area on that page to subscribe.  

Let me know if you have questions about subscribing.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Bob Hicks [mailto:b...@seeinghandassociation.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:21 AM
To: steve.jacob...@visi.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: Question About KNFB and camera.

What is the link for joining the KNFB Reader list?  tia

Have a great day!

Bob Hicks

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From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+bob=seeinghandassociation@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 11:20 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Steve Jacobson 
Subject: RE: Question About KNFB and camera.

Robert,

KNFB reader would do that if it doesn't check for a camera when it starts.  
There is a KNFB Readers' list, I'll see if anybody knows on that list.

Best regards,

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 9:33 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Robert Ringwald 
Subject: Re: Question About KNFB and camera.

Thanks David. Very interesting.

My one question is, if all I want to do with the KNFB program is decipher 
scanned PDF files that are already in my WLM email, will the KNFB reader read 
those internally with no camera or any other device needed?

I have Win 10 and WLM 12 on a del PC.


-Original Message-
From: David via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 2:16 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: David
Subject: Re: Question About KNFB and camera.

PDF documents, or any other file formats on your computer, are electronically 
stored information.


Cameras cannot read electronic documents. They are such constructed, they need 
to "see" things in real, before they can do anything.


All electronic formats, be it music, video, documents or just any 
blah-blah-blah, will have to be processed internally in the computer.


To best illustrate things, may I suggest you think of the camera as the "eye" 
of the computer. Let's at the same time, tell the scanner to be the other "eye" 
of the PC. The CPU, (or processor), the RAM and any other electronic inside 
your computer's physical box - well, let's name it the brain. Even so, the hard 
disk or SSD, which we will compare to your "deep memory".


As you well know, your physical eyes cannot "look" inside the brain, and 
perform anything from within your body. Rather, the eyes can feed the brain 
with information, which your brain now can process.


Back to your query. You will need a camera to feed any written or physically 
visible information into the computer. Whatever has already been fed into the 
computer, like an electronically stored document, will be non-interesting for 
the camera, scanner or any further feeding equipment. All processing of what 
you have in your brain, will be done by the brain directly. All information 
already stored on your computer, will be processed directly by the computer, 
and loaded software.


I know, you wanted a quick answer to your question. I just thought it might be 
helpful for you and others, to have a clarified comprehension of why the answer 
is the way it stands.


To jhust elaborate a tiny bit here, let me in very short terms tell you how any 
OCR software works.

First of all, it needs to retrieve some information. It will typically leave 
you the chance of defining whether it should grab some electronic document, or 
if it should contact an external piece of equipment - like a camera or a 
scanner. To the software, it basically does not matter whichever way you feed 
it with information.


Next, it will start to process the information it has loaded into its memory. 
All such electronic information is made up of 0's and 1's, also known as 
pixels. And the software will compare the layout of these, with an internal 
dictionary. The dictionary will be like a tremendous collection of stencils. If 
the OCR finds that a set of dots (or pixels) in the received information 
matches any stencil in the dictionary, it will know what character this will 
represent. It now will "type" this character into a virtual document, thereby 
imitating you pressing a key on the keyboard.


Finally,

RE: Help with JAWS spell checking in Outlook and Word

2017-11-29 Thread Van Lant, Robin via Talk 
Thanks, Tom.  Not as friendly on the fingers and it seems to automatically 
expand the context menu before I even know what word is highlighted, but I'm 
glad to have an option to play with.   Yeah, I've been pokey about the 
migration process, but I keep having weird silencing issues in Window Eyes, so 
I'm really trying to get myself onto JAWS.  





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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:13 AM
To: Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Help with JAWS spell checking in Outlook and Word

Robin,
I don't know about JAWS as I've barely gotten beyond wrestling with it for a 
bit here and there. But Word itself has a keyboard shortcut to jump to the next 
spelling or grammatical error: Alt+F7.
Here's a link to a page with all the keyboard shortcuts.
http://www.keyxl.com/aaa2cd7/445/Microsoft-Word-2010-keyboard-shortcuts.htm
Hth,
Tom


On 11/29/2017 12:40 PM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:
> All,
> I'm struggling with the transition to JAWS as it relates to spell checking a 
> Word document or Outlook email.  I absolutely loved the Window Eyes feature 
> allowing me to move to each  error with Alt semicolon and apostrophe.   I 
> really did not get the hang of navigating the Spell checking dialog 
> efficiently.   So, to those who have made the transition, can you guide me as 
> to the best way to spell check?  I'm in Office 2010.
> 
> 
> 
> Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager
> Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance
> 720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com
> 
> 
> 
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> recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing 
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Re: Help with JAWS spell checking in Outlook and Word

2017-11-29 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk 

Robin,
I don't know about JAWS as I've barely gotten beyond wrestling with it 
for a bit here and there. But Word itself has a keyboard shortcut to 
jump to the next spelling or grammatical error: Alt+F7.

Here's a link to a page with all the keyboard shortcuts.
http://www.keyxl.com/aaa2cd7/445/Microsoft-Word-2010-keyboard-shortcuts.htm
Hth,
Tom


On 11/29/2017 12:40 PM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:

All,
I'm struggling with the transition to JAWS as it relates to spell checking a 
Word document or Outlook email.  I absolutely loved the Window Eyes feature 
allowing me to move to each  error with Alt semicolon and apostrophe.   I 
really did not get the hang of navigating the Spell checking dialog 
efficiently.   So, to those who have made the transition, can you guide me as 
to the best way to spell check?  I'm in Office 2010.



Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager
Strategy & Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance
720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com



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KNFB Reader List Information

2017-11-29 Thread Steve Jacobson via Talk 
Bob,

You can get information about the readers list at

http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/reader-users_nfbnet.org

There is an area on that page to subscribe.  

Let me know if you have questions about subscribing.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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From: Bob Hicks [mailto:b...@seeinghandassociation.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:21 AM
To: steve.jacob...@visi.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: Question About KNFB and camera.

What is the link for joining the KNFB Reader list?  tia

Have a great day!

Bob Hicks

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From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+bob=seeinghandassociation@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 11:20 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Steve Jacobson 
Subject: RE: Question About KNFB and camera.

Robert,

KNFB reader would do that if it doesn't check for a camera when it starts.  
There is a KNFB Readers' list, I'll see if anybody knows on that list.

Best regards,

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 9:33 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Robert Ringwald 
Subject: Re: Question About KNFB and camera.

Thanks David. Very interesting.

My one question is, if all I want to do with the KNFB program is decipher 
scanned PDF files that are already in my WLM email, will the KNFB reader read 
those internally with no camera or any other device needed?

I have Win 10 and WLM 12 on a del PC.


-Original Message-
From: David via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 2:16 PM
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Cc: David
Subject: Re: Question About KNFB and camera.

PDF documents, or any other file formats on your computer, are electronically 
stored information.


Cameras cannot read electronic documents. They are such constructed, they need 
to "see" things in real, before they can do anything.


All electronic formats, be it music, video, documents or just any 
blah-blah-blah, will have to be processed internally in the computer.


To best illustrate things, may I suggest you think of the camera as the "eye" 
of the computer. Let's at the same time, tell the scanner to be the other "eye" 
of the PC. The CPU, (or processor), the RAM and any other electronic inside 
your computer's physical box - well, let's name it the brain. Even so, the hard 
disk or SSD, which we will compare to your "deep memory".


As you well know, your physical eyes cannot "look" inside the brain, and 
perform anything from within your body. Rather, the eyes can feed the brain 
with information, which your brain now can process.


Back to your query. You will need a camera to feed any written or physically 
visible information into the computer. Whatever has already been fed into the 
computer, like an electronically stored document, will be non-interesting for 
the camera, scanner or any further feeding equipment. All processing of what 
you have in your brain, will be done by the brain directly. All information 
already stored on your computer, will be processed directly by the computer, 
and loaded software.


I know, you wanted a quick answer to your question. I just thought it might be 
helpful for you and others, to have a clarified comprehension of why the answer 
is the way it stands.


To jhust elaborate a tiny bit here, let me in very short terms tell you how any 
OCR software works.

First of all, it needs to retrieve some information. It will typically leave 
you the chance of defining whether it should grab some electronic document, or 
if it should contact an external piece of equipment - like a camera or a 
scanner. To the software, it basically does not matter whichever way you feed 
it with information.


Next, it will start to process the information it has loaded into its memory. 
All such electronic information is made up of 0's and 1's, also known as 
pixels. And the software will compare the layout of these, with an internal 
dictionary. The dictionary will be like a tremendous collection of stencils. If 
the OCR finds that a set of dots (or pixels) in the received information 
matches any stencil in the dictionary, it will know what character this will 
represent. It now will "type" this character into a virtual document, thereby 
imitating you pressing a key on the keyboard.


Finally, when it has finished the whole loaded information, it will present you 
with the virtually typed document.


For your information, in old times, the stencil-lookup was pretty much a 
one-to-one comparison. That means, it would need a match that would be very 
close to the exact stenciled shape. If it was to recognize anything to be the 
letter O, it would need a set of pixels in a perfect circle.

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really did not get the hang of navigating the Spell checking dialog 
efficiently.   So, to those who have made the transition, can you guide me as 
to the best way to spell check?  I'm in Office 2010.



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RE: Question About KNFB and camera.

2017-11-29 Thread Bob Hicks via Talk 
What is the link for joining the KNFB Reader list?  tia

Have a great day!

Bob Hicks

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+bob=seeinghandassociation@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 11:20 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Steve Jacobson 
Subject: RE: Question About KNFB and camera.

Robert,

KNFB reader would do that if it doesn't check for a camera when it starts.  
There is a KNFB Readers' list, I'll see if anybody knows on that list.

Best regards,

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 9:33 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Robert Ringwald 
Subject: Re: Question About KNFB and camera.

Thanks David. Very interesting.

My one question is, if all I want to do with the KNFB program is decipher 
scanned PDF files that are already in my WLM email, will the KNFB reader read 
those internally with no camera or any other device needed?

I have Win 10 and WLM 12 on a del PC.


-Original Message-
From: David via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 2:16 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: David
Subject: Re: Question About KNFB and camera.

PDF documents, or any other file formats on your computer, are electronically 
stored information.


Cameras cannot read electronic documents. They are such constructed, they need 
to "see" things in real, before they can do anything.


All electronic formats, be it music, video, documents or just any 
blah-blah-blah, will have to be processed internally in the computer.


To best illustrate things, may I suggest you think of the camera as the "eye" 
of the computer. Let's at the same time, tell the scanner to be the other "eye" 
of the PC. The CPU, (or processor), the RAM and any other electronic inside 
your computer's physical box - well, let's name it the brain. Even so, the hard 
disk or SSD, which we will compare to your "deep memory".


As you well know, your physical eyes cannot "look" inside the brain, and 
perform anything from within your body. Rather, the eyes can feed the brain 
with information, which your brain now can process.


Back to your query. You will need a camera to feed any written or physically 
visible information into the computer. Whatever has already been fed into the 
computer, like an electronically stored document, will be non-interesting for 
the camera, scanner or any further feeding equipment. All processing of what 
you have in your brain, will be done by the brain directly. All information 
already stored on your computer, will be processed directly by the computer, 
and loaded software.


I know, you wanted a quick answer to your question. I just thought it might be 
helpful for you and others, to have a clarified comprehension of why the answer 
is the way it stands.


To jhust elaborate a tiny bit here, let me in very short terms tell you how any 
OCR software works.

First of all, it needs to retrieve some information. It will typically leave 
you the chance of defining whether it should grab some electronic document, or 
if it should contact an external piece of equipment - like a camera or a 
scanner. To the software, it basically does not matter whichever way you feed 
it with information.


Next, it will start to process the information it has loaded into its memory. 
All such electronic information is made up of 0's and 1's, also known as 
pixels. And the software will compare the layout of these, with an internal 
dictionary. The dictionary will be like a tremendous collection of stencils. If 
the OCR finds that a set of dots (or pixels) in the received information 
matches any stencil in the dictionary, it will know what character this will 
represent. It now will "type" this character into a virtual document, thereby 
imitating you pressing a key on the keyboard.


Finally, when it has finished the whole loaded information, it will present you 
with the virtually typed document.


For your information, in old times, the stencil-lookup was pretty much a 
one-to-one comparison. That means, it would need a match that would be very 
close to the exact stenciled shape. If it was to recognize anything to be the 
letter O, it would need a set of pixels in a perfect circle.


Modern OCR software has become far mor "inteligent", whatever we want to talk 
about inteligence when comes to silly electronic units like a computer. The 
inteligence is that the OCR no longer will depend on close to exact matches. To 
a very high degree, it might "look" at the properties of a scanned character, 
and base its recognition on the results thereof. For instance, it would 
conclude that a set of pixels that resemble two parallel vertical lines, 
slightly spaced from each other, with a horizontal

RE: Question About KNFB and camera.

2017-11-29 Thread evelyn weckerly via Talk 

Hi, Steve,

How could you forget all that beta testing (grin).  I really 
appreciate your contributions to this list.  Thank you for taking 
the time again and again for thoughtfully answering people's 
questions.


Cordially,

Evelyn

- Original Message -
From: Steve Jacobson via Talk

Re: Question About KNFB and camera.

2017-11-29 Thread David via Talk 
Glad we got that point sorted out. Would have thought  it to be rather 
old-fashioned, should it request a camera, to perform an internal file. 
In reality, as I showed in my earlier walk-through of an OCR process, 
the camera will be rendered useless, long as you are handling the 
electronic documents. You will never be able to feed any electronic 
document into a camera. Simply because, whatever is the camera gonna do 
with the information?


All OCR processing in effect is solely processed INSIDE the computer. 
Where the information came from is of no real interest for the OCR. The 
camera, scanner or any other feeding device, is ONLY - and I mean ONLY - 
required when you do not have access to an electronic version of the 
information.


Robert, my big question to you now is:

Since you seem to only want the program to recognize electronic 
documents, do you really want to fork out hundreds and thousands of 
dollars? Just because the KFNB has been developed for blind people, does 
not tell there would be no other ways.


As a matter of fact, I have been doing OCR on a regular basis, ever 
since early 90's. I have never owned any of the "specially taylored" 
equipment. That is, except from in the very beginning, when we used a 
software named Recognita, and which was a slightly modified version of 
what now is OmniPage. Then again, I have never used a camera for my OCR, 
always run via a scanner.


Yet, the new version of Omnipage, is about 200 dollars, and according to 
their ads, should be able to perform with both a scanner and a camera. 
And there might be several other products out there. Currently I am 
using a software named Abby Reader, which is somehow cheaper than the 
Omnipage, but also slightly less rich in features. My version is a bit 
outdated, so cannot run with camera, only with a scanner.


All of that said, absolutely all the software I have been using, for 
more like 25 years, have had the chance of performing OCR on already 
electronically stored files, like PDF and similar. They have been 
operated through menus, and I have not had much trouble in doing so.


The interface of the KFNB might be somehow simplified, and it might hold 
certain features of adjusting the picture fed into it. My understanding 
is that Kurtzweil - another OCR for blind users - will have some 
features as well. And wasn't there something named OpenBook as well, I 
do believe? Generally, these specially taylored pieces of software, is 
like any other technical aid for the blind - WAY over-priced. Though I 
have not checked the pricing of the KFNB, so would be glad if someone 
could inform us what price range it falls under.


If you are the owner of Microsoft Office, I do wonder if there was a 
simplified OCR included with that suite as well. Not sure if it handles 
PDF's, but do your homework, before you go out and throw your money in 
the streets. Smiles. KFNB, the way I have understood it, has its greater 
benefit on mobile devices, and if that is what you are looking for, go 
ahead. But for Windows, make sure you don't spend money on things and 
features that you will not be using. Not even sure, if a camera would be 
the right thing for the PC user, but will leave that for the ones who 
have tried, to comment on. Would be lovely to know if the KFNB can 
perform anything on the computer, superior to any of the mainstream 
products in the market.


Just some thoughts. Like I have stressed, I have never tested the KFNB, 
so if I am to be corrected, go ahead anyone. Smiles.


On 11/29/2017 7:59 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
> Joseph,
> You should know what you're talking about before disseminating 
> incorrect information. The KNFB reader does not need a camera to read 
> any of the file types it supports. They're files already on the 
> computer. What are you going to do with a camera? You import the files 
> into KNFB and it's just another image already created that the same 
> process is performed on.
>
> Bob. Here's a link to the web site with the full documentation.
> https://knfbreader.com/knfb-reader-windows-10-complete-user-guide
>
> Good luck,
> Tom
>
>
> On 11/29/2017 12:57 AM, joseph hudson via Talk wrote:
>> Hello, as I reported on another list, no I don't think so. It needs a 
>> camera to read files.
>> Joseph Hudson
>>
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>>> On Nov 28, 2017, at 9:33 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks David. Very interesting.
>>>
>>> My one question is, if all I want to do with the KNFB program is 
>>> decipher scanned PDF files that are already in my WLM email, will 
>>> the KNFB reader read those internally with no camera or any other 
>>> device needed?
>>>
>>> I have Win 10 and WLM 12 on a del PC.