RE: Installing Win10
Hi David, With great respect to all who have made suggestions on this subject, I have upgraded Windows 7 from older and more recent versions of Win 10. First, I suggest downloading the Win 10 upgrade assistance tool. This will analyze your hardware and software and you will get a report detailing any problems. Second, going back to ancient history, GW Micro stressed that uninstalling WE was not necessary, regardless whether upgrading from Win 7 or 8. However, their only additional note was that, going from 7 to 10, you would need to reinstall WE after the upgrade. Also, while WE 9.2 is the minimum version necessary to run on Win 10, I would be inclined to try to get 9.5.4 if you want a stable experience on Win 10, which I still enjoy today on the current version of Win 10. Next, if you are planning to upgrade a broken version of Windows, you can burn the Win 10 installation media to a DVD. If you can get the DVD to boot into the Win 10 setup, you could start Narrator using Ctrl-Win-Enter in order to configure the setup process as necessary. I found that this same keystroke was necessary for me even when simply upgrading from a previously working version of Windows. This is because Windows really works well with Narrator and always seems to come up talking when using the keystroke, whereas WE did not always, whether automatically at start up or by using the WE hot key. Finally, if you don't have anyone around with vision, I recommend using an iPhone using Microsoft's Seeing AI app. This would allow you to periodically monitor the screen. I hope this helps a bit, and my great hope and best wishes for your success. Smile. Take care, Rod Sent from Outlook for Windows -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of David via Talk Sent: June 20, 2019 2:07 PM To: WE English Mailinglist Cc: David Subject: Installing Win10 To the tech guys on this list, In about 6 months Microsoft will end the support for Win7. My Good old working-horse of a computer might then be retired to make it for a backup system. I do have a computer stored away in a closet, which has a broken version of Win8.1 on it. That is, it does not start up, only presents some kind of an error screen, informing me the Windows is not a valid version. Was a computer I bought second-handed, and apparently the seller was no honest guy. Now, I wonder if I might go for a full version of Win10, and simply wipe out the old hard drive on that computer, and do a totally clean install of Win10. I would be buying the Win10, through the Microsoft store, and hence get a downloadable of the operative system. Never been using Win10, and only have paid half an ear to any discussion on the matter. But I seem to remember something about it being possible for a blind to install the OS all without eyes. Is that correct, and does it even apply when I will be doing a clean - all from scratch - installation? Could of course go and buy a brand new computer, but they tend to be loaded with all kinds of bloatware, over here. And the store I saw the other day, offering to install a clean win10 on their new systems, asked a price for the windows, about 20% more than what I see it advertised in Microsoft Store. Would then be a better business to get the broken win8 machine of mine going. Thanks for all input you can give me on the matter. I will not be doing my choice all at this time, but will be nice to know what to do, once the right time or offer comes up. -- David ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Installing Win10
you also have to have version 9.2 or later or it will not install again. -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 12:03 PM To: Carol and Roger via Talk Cc: Butch Bussen Subject: Re: Installing Win10 If you do upgrade, be sure and uninstall window-eyes. I did two systems with microsoft disability help desk and it went into a loop with window-eyes installed and no way to get out of it without blowing the entire drive away. The second system, I uninstalled windoweyes, did the upgrade from seven, and then reinstalled window-eyes. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Thu, 20 Jun 2019, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: My suggestion would be to check with the people at the Microsoft accessibility desk. The reason I suggest this is that my Windows 7 computer was not compatible with the upgrade. It was a Depp PC and both Microsoft and Dell said not to upgrade as all that would happen would be that my PC would be in a permanent loop. It might be worth talking with Microsoft for help. Their number is (800) 936-5900. Carol On 6/20/2019 2:07 PM, David via Talk wrote: To the tech guys on this list, In about 6 months Microsoft will end the support for Win7. My Good old working-horse of a computer might then be retired to make it for a backup system. I do have a computer stored away in a closet, which has a broken version of Win8.1 on it. That is, it does not start up, only presents some kind of an error screen, informing me the Windows is not a valid version. Was a computer I bought second-handed, and apparently the seller was no honest guy. Now, I wonder if I might go for a full version of Win10, and simply wipe out the old hard drive on that computer, and do a totally clean install of Win10. I would be buying the Win10, through the Microsoft store, and hence get a downloadable of the operative system. Never been using Win10, and only have paid half an ear to any discussion on the matter. But I seem to remember something about it being possible for a blind to install the OS all without eyes. Is that correct, and does it even apply when I will be doing a clean - all from scratch - installation? Could of course go and buy a brand new computer, but they tend to be loaded with all kinds of bloatware, over here. And the store I saw the other day, offering to install a clean win10 on their new systems, asked a price for the windows, about 20% more than what I see it advertised in Microsoft Store. Would then be a better business to get the broken win8 machine of mine going. Thanks for all input you can give me on the matter. I will not be doing my choice all at this time, but will be nice to know what to do, once the right time or offer comes up. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/butchb%40shellworld.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Installing Win10
If you do upgrade, be sure and uninstall window-eyes. I did two systems with microsoft disability help desk and it went into a loop with window-eyes installed and no way to get out of it without blowing the entire drive away. The second system, I uninstalled windoweyes, did the upgrade from seven, and then reinstalled window-eyes. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Thu, 20 Jun 2019, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: My suggestion would be to check with the people at the Microsoft accessibility desk. The reason I suggest this is that my Windows 7 computer was not compatible with the upgrade. It was a Depp PC and both Microsoft and Dell said not to upgrade as all that would happen would be that my PC would be in a permanent loop. It might be worth talking with Microsoft for help. Their number is (800) 936-5900. Carol On 6/20/2019 2:07 PM, David via Talk wrote: To the tech guys on this list, In about 6 months Microsoft will end the support for Win7. My Good old working-horse of a computer might then be retired to make it for a backup system. I do have a computer stored away in a closet, which has a broken version of Win8.1 on it. That is, it does not start up, only presents some kind of an error screen, informing me the Windows is not a valid version. Was a computer I bought second-handed, and apparently the seller was no honest guy. Now, I wonder if I might go for a full version of Win10, and simply wipe out the old hard drive on that computer, and do a totally clean install of Win10. I would be buying the Win10, through the Microsoft store, and hence get a downloadable of the operative system. Never been using Win10, and only have paid half an ear to any discussion on the matter. But I seem to remember something about it being possible for a blind to install the OS all without eyes. Is that correct, and does it even apply when I will be doing a clean - all from scratch - installation? Could of course go and buy a brand new computer, but they tend to be loaded with all kinds of bloatware, over here. And the store I saw the other day, offering to install a clean win10 on their new systems, asked a price for the windows, about 20% more than what I see it advertised in Microsoft Store. Would then be a better business to get the broken win8 machine of mine going. Thanks for all input you can give me on the matter. I will not be doing my choice all at this time, but will be nice to know what to do, once the right time or offer comes up. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/butchb%40shellworld.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Installing Win10
My suggestion would be to check with the people at the Microsoft accessibility desk. The reason I suggest this is that my Windows 7 computer was not compatible with the upgrade. It was a Depp PC and both Microsoft and Dell said not to upgrade as all that would happen would be that my PC would be in a permanent loop. It might be worth talking with Microsoft for help. Their number is (800) 936-5900. Carol On 6/20/2019 2:07 PM, David via Talk wrote: To the tech guys on this list, In about 6 months Microsoft will end the support for Win7. My Good old working-horse of a computer might then be retired to make it for a backup system. I do have a computer stored away in a closet, which has a broken version of Win8.1 on it. That is, it does not start up, only presents some kind of an error screen, informing me the Windows is not a valid version. Was a computer I bought second-handed, and apparently the seller was no honest guy. Now, I wonder if I might go for a full version of Win10, and simply wipe out the old hard drive on that computer, and do a totally clean install of Win10. I would be buying the Win10, through the Microsoft store, and hence get a downloadable of the operative system. Never been using Win10, and only have paid half an ear to any discussion on the matter. But I seem to remember something about it being possible for a blind to install the OS all without eyes. Is that correct, and does it even apply when I will be doing a clean - all from scratch - installation? Could of course go and buy a brand new computer, but they tend to be loaded with all kinds of bloatware, over here. And the store I saw the other day, offering to install a clean win10 on their new systems, asked a price for the windows, about 20% more than what I see it advertised in Microsoft Store. Would then be a better business to get the broken win8 machine of mine going. Thanks for all input you can give me on the matter. I will not be doing my choice all at this time, but will be nice to know what to do, once the right time or offer comes up. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Installing Win10
Hi David, You should be able to buy a legal copy of Windows 10 from Amazon for around twenty bucks less than what Microsoft charges. Sometimes, you can find a legal recycled license from Ebay. These recycled licenses can cost around thirty bucks. They just send you the key and you go to the Microsoft web site to get your download. Always buy from a dealer from Ebay who has loads of excellant reviews. Also, you might still be able to upgrade Windows 8.1 with an authorized copy of Windows 10 at no cost. That is also downloaded from a Microsoft server but, I will wait for more details if some one else can please post about that. Good luck, James B -Original Message- From: David via Talk Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 1:07 PM To: WE English Mailinglist Cc: David Subject: Installing Win10 To the tech guys on this list, In about 6 months Microsoft will end the support for Win7. My Good old working-horse of a computer might then be retired to make it for a backup system. I do have a computer stored away in a closet, which has a broken version of Win8.1 on it. That is, it does not start up, only presents some kind of an error screen, informing me the Windows is not a valid version. Was a computer I bought second-handed, and apparently the seller was no honest guy. Now, I wonder if I might go for a full version of Win10, and simply wipe out the old hard drive on that computer, and do a totally clean install of Win10. I would be buying the Win10, through the Microsoft store, and hence get a downloadable of the operative system. Never been using Win10, and only have paid half an ear to any discussion on the matter. But I seem to remember something about it being possible for a blind to install the OS all without eyes. Is that correct, and does it even apply when I will be doing a clean - all from scratch - installation? Could of course go and buy a brand new computer, but they tend to be loaded with all kinds of bloatware, over here. And the store I saw the other day, offering to install a clean win10 on their new systems, asked a price for the windows, about 20% more than what I see it advertised in Microsoft Store. Would then be a better business to get the broken win8 machine of mine going. Thanks for all input you can give me on the matter. I will not be doing my choice all at this time, but will be nice to know what to do, once the right time or offer comes up. -- David ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bentleyj1952%40att.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Installing Win10
To the tech guys on this list, In about 6 months Microsoft will end the support for Win7. My Good old working-horse of a computer might then be retired to make it for a backup system. I do have a computer stored away in a closet, which has a broken version of Win8.1 on it. That is, it does not start up, only presents some kind of an error screen, informing me the Windows is not a valid version. Was a computer I bought second-handed, and apparently the seller was no honest guy. Now, I wonder if I might go for a full version of Win10, and simply wipe out the old hard drive on that computer, and do a totally clean install of Win10. I would be buying the Win10, through the Microsoft store, and hence get a downloadable of the operative system. Never been using Win10, and only have paid half an ear to any discussion on the matter. But I seem to remember something about it being possible for a blind to install the OS all without eyes. Is that correct, and does it even apply when I will be doing a clean - all from scratch - installation? Could of course go and buy a brand new computer, but they tend to be loaded with all kinds of bloatware, over here. And the store I saw the other day, offering to install a clean win10 on their new systems, asked a price for the windows, about 20% more than what I see it advertised in Microsoft Store. Would then be a better business to get the broken win8 machine of mine going. Thanks for all input you can give me on the matter. I will not be doing my choice all at this time, but will be nice to know what to do, once the right time or offer comes up. -- David ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
