Re: A blast from the past?

2017-05-08 Thread Michael Capelle via Talk

i also started out with window-eyes, using a speak-out synth.
i also used megadots, vocal-eyes, and windows 3.11.

-Original Message- 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD,Inc. via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 5:01 PM
To: 'Joseph Norton' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: A blast from the past?

I began learning to work with computers on my own in 1992; my first screen
reader and synthesizer were purchased with my own funds from E V A S in
Rhode Island.  I had not known that I could have made a purchase right here
in my village through Beyond Sight, Inc. which initially was Second Sight.
I don't recall what the name of the screen reader was back then, it was most
certainly for DOS; it came with Apollo synthesizer, but not knowing much too
much about computers, I could not get it to work, so, I sent it back for a
refund.

Learning to use my computer became a huge problem for nearly five weeks!
Then I got some more information about Second Sight owned by Jim Misener.  I
visited him at home, almost a 40-minute drive from where I lived.  He talked
to me about Vocal-Eyes!  I was hesitant; he did several demos for me and
allowed me to play with his computer.  He showed me some basic Vocal-Eyes
commands.  Wow, Vocal-Eyes' responsiveness sold me at last!  I bought the
screen reader from him with Sounding Board which I still have to this day.
Later, I purchased Speak-out directly from GW Micro and I still have it,
although the battery is dead and I can't find the charger and the parallel
port connector it came with.

Jim Misener did move his company to a store front and changed its name to
Beyond Sight, Inc.  About 12 years ago or thereabout, he sold it and got out
of business altogether.

I have been a customer of GW Micro since the latter half of 1992!  I later
learned that GW Micro was an offshoot of Computer Aids Corporation which,
back in the '80's was a pioneer in its own right in the area of screen
reading technology albeit Apple's II-E was the most popular stuff in town
next to Tandy and Atari if memory serves.  I was a student at Indiana
University Bloomington when Computer Aids Corporation, Inc. made a name for
itself; however, I didn't pay any close attention to computers and held on
to my typewriter for dear life!

Some of what I said above about GW Micro may be incorrect, but I'm sure
there are more knowledgeable folks here who can bail me out by helping to
correct a few things.  Aside from anything else, that's my story as it
relates to my involvement with GW Micro!  I'll go back to watching
Window-Eyes in its hospice bed take the last breath!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

2017-05-07 Thread Michael Capelle via Talk

this is true, jfw is the primary screen reader.

-Original Message- 
From: Reeva Webb via Talk

Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 8:34 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Darrell Bowles
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

...and the following tweet i just saw in my tl. Take it for what you want:

@mikelauf1: @Robbie Sandberg : Window Eyes to be phased out when MS Office
support ends, says Eric Damery at SightCity VFO booth
https://www.swarmapp.com/c/8msayoEvRx8

https://twitter.com/mikelauf1/status/860573700210532354

that is all.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 6, 2017 9:19 AM, "Darrell Bowles via Talk" <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

While the support is no means complete, NVDA had it long before the main
companies did.

Sent from my iPhone


On May 6, 2017, at 10:17 AM, Matthew Dyer via Talk <

talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


Hi,


While jaws does not support edge as of yet, it is being worked on and

infact there is an fs cast whare a recording was done at the CSUN confrence
demoing edge support using an internmal build ofcorse so yes it is comming.



Mathew





On 05/05/2017 08:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
When this merger happened, I made a statement that WE would be let go.

Everyone kind of  said that that would not happen. If this does happen, it
will be an absolute shame, because I found out two things regarding
developments in JAWS, and NVDA. NVDA has some support for Microsoft edge,
and it also supports adobe connect, quite nicely. Furthermore, JAWS does
not as of this time, support either of these programs.

Thanks,
Darrell

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk

Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 7:38 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

 If this does come to fruition, the great thing is that

people have choices and they're not tied to just one thing.


They can a.  switch to a different screenreader such as NVDA, and cut

the costs of SMA's and other software agreements.



b.  They can switch to jaws, although I suspect for various and sundry
reasons a lot of people don't want to do that, because they chose
Window-eyes for a reason, but the choice is still there.


C.  they can switch to a low-cost sollution like System access, yes it
is still under development under the sero name.  It still gets updates
and is maintained.


D.

The people who still want to, can always stick with Window-eyes. The
only part

  of this choice that concerns me is that soon enough, it won't be able

  to keep up with many of the advances on the internet and
newly-released software.  If development ceases completely, they may as
well just make it free, throw it out there and say ok, have at it.


We will just have to see what happens until VFO is ready to make a
statement.  Until then it's buisness as usual.







On 5/5/2017 6:27 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:
Please understand that what I am about to write here is not at all an

official statement or position from VFO regarding the future of Window-Eyes.




Yesterday Friday May 4, I had an occasion to call VFO. I was lucky to

get a VFO tech who was pretty knowledgeable about Window-Eyes.




While waiting for my computer to reboot, just to see what his response

would be, I asked him what he thought or knew about the future of
Window-Eyes at VFO.




He said that he had not heard anything official from the powers that

be. However, he thought that there would be no more development on WE. He
suspected that the owners of WE would be offered a deal to switch over to
Jaws.




Again, please keep in mind that he is just a tech at the company. He

has heard no official pronouncements from the powers that be in the company.










Yesterday Friday May 4, I had an occasion to call VFO. I got a VFO tech

who was pretty knowledgeable about Window-Eyes.




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Re: Window-Eyes and Windows 10 Creator Edition

2017-04-08 Thread Michael Capelle via Talk

no, in the new creator, you add the control key.

-Original Message- 
From: Jo Taliaferro via Talk

Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 1:49 PM
To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes and Windows 10 Creator Edition

Hi, I thought narrator was just windows and enter without the control key.

Jo Taliaferro

On Apr 8, 2017, at 9:28 AM, Chris Skarstad via Talk 
 wrote:


Remember, you've gotten the program earlier than the official release. 
There are going to be bugs, because it's a build not meant for regular 
public consumption.  Unless you're a windows insider, it's not a good idea 
to install development builds unless you are aware of the risks and can get 
help on your own, or know how to work around the bugs that might be present. 
This is why i'm waiting until it's officially released next week to install 
it.





On 4/8/2017 9:19 AM, Pastor Gil Pries via Talk wrote:
Hi,
The creator edition is pretty good, but I have 2 issues.
First narator won’t work when I press control-windows-enter, but it will 
work when I shut down narrator.
The second issue is that Window-Eyes won’t speak when I am in the Windows 
Defender program so I have to use Narrator when in that program.

Anybody experiencing a problem like these?
Thanks,
Pastor Gil
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Re: Getting Out of Protected view in Word 2016

2017-04-05 Thread Michael Capelle via Talk

go to properties for that file, and press the unblock button.
this turns off protected view.

-Original Message- 
From: Matthew Chao via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 3:27 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Getting Out of Protected view in Word 2016

Hi, Folks.  I had to buy Office 2016 because my computer crashed, and
Microsoft wouldn't let me download an old copy.  Since then, I've had to
go into a protected view document to read it; much harder than in
regular mode.  How do I disable the protected view mode?  Thanks in
advance.--Matthew Chao



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Re: using Windows Live Mail with Window-Eyes

2017-03-11 Thread Michael Capelle via Talk

i also am having issues the same as described below.
i h ave office installed, and it does not work in office either.
- Original Message - 
From: "peter Chin via Talk" 
To: "Jim" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 


Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: using Windows Live Mail with Window-Eyes



Hello all,

I use Window-Eyes 9.5.4 with WLM without too much trouble except that I 
can't get the spell check to work. No matter what I do, it still says 
"disabled" and I can't find a way to enable it. Any suggesttions? My other 
problem is that sometimes, and for no apparent reason, accelerator 
keystrokes like control+shift+v for moving a file temporarily don't work.


Suggestions are welcome.
-Original Message- 
From: Jim via Talk

Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 12:06 AM
To: Kim Lingo ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: using Windows Live Mail with Window-Eyes

Hi Kim.
If you press alt F, then O for options, that should get you there.

Regards.
Jim.
MI0JPC.

-Original Message- 
From: Kim Lingo via Talk

Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 3:59 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: using Windows Live Mail with Window-Eyes

Some one mentioned that I should look for a particular setting under
“options” in Windows Live Mail.  I think I’ve looked about everywhere 
there

is, and haven’t found that.  I even tried typing in Ctrl-o, or Alt-o.  No
luck.  I think I did a pretty good job, but maybe neglected to look
somewhere.  If there is something like options or tools in that program, I’d
appreciate it if some one could let me know where that is.  Using 
Window-yes

9.5.5.4 and Windows 7.
Kim LingoE
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Re: What email program to use with WE

2017-02-14 Thread Michael Capelle via Talk

no, it is not going away, you can still obtainthe file.
i only use WLM.
- Original Message - 
From: "Tony C via Talk" 

To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 8:48 AM
Subject: What email program to use with WE


Hello guys, Now that support for WLM is going away. What is the most 
accesible program to use? I want to continue using my Mediacom email 
address, and I’m using Windows 10. thanks

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Re: going back to windows 7

2016-05-30 Thread Michael Capelle via Talk
yes, my friend uses WE, and he was able to revert back to win 7 with no 
issues.


-Original Message- 
From: michaels mail via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 5:24 AM
To: window eyes help list
Subject: going back to windows 7

   Hi Guys i have installed win 10 on a win 7 laptop.
With no sighted help.
But has someone restored from win 10 back to win 7 with out any sighted help 
just useing we and narrator.
It has been only a couple weeks since i upgraded it so i have a month i 
think.

Cheers Michael.
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Re: Making the leap to Windows Ten!

2016-05-28 Thread Michael Capelle via Talk

also, you can join blindtech.
blindtech+subscr...@groups.io
or the win10 list:
win10+subscr...@groups.io

-Original Message- 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD,Inc. via Talk

Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 9:41 AM
To: 'Paulette Vickery' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Making the leap to Windows Ten!

Hi Paulette:

I'm tickled pink to learn that the Amazon Echo is not playing ball well with
your Windows7 machine.  I don't have one, so I truly can't give any advice.
However, you can get more assistance with respect to Windows10 issues on the
TechTalk mailing list.  To subscribe, send a blank text message to:

techtalk+subscr...@groups.io

If you do upgrade from Windows7 to Windows10 using the Get Windows10 app,
you'll have 30 days to roll back to Windows7 if it's not working for you.
Thereafter, you can reinstall Windows10 into a separate partition on your
computer's hard drive and enjoy the benefits of a dual boot at startup.
This way, you can keep learning Windows10 if necessary and still use
Windows7 for everything else all on the same computer.

For reasons largely work-related, I still play pinball with Windows XP and
Windows7 and won't consider an upgrade to Windows10 for as long as is
possible.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado




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Re: Accessible Blogging

2016-05-25 Thread Michael Capelle via Talk

i also am interested in this myself.

-Original Message- 
From: Samuel Wilkins via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 3:18 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Accessible Blogging

Hello everyone,

I was wondering if anyone knows of an accessible blogging site that
works with Window-Eyes.  I would like to start writing a blog, but most
of the ones I have come across are not accessible.


--
Regards,

Samuel Wilkins

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Re: Windows live mail going away question

2016-05-12 Thread Michael Capelle via Talk

ok, s what can we use? i rely on live mail.

-Original Message- 
From: Mike Boyd via Talk

Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 5:43 PM
To: Patricia Krinke ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows live mail going away question

Much of the information in that email which you posted is true, WLM is being 
retired in mid June. However the message was spam. Had you taken note of the 
email address of the sender, you would have seen it had been sent from 
"outl...@office.com. There is no such address within the Microsoft email 
system. I showed the message to Microsoft support, and they verified this 
and that the links contained within the email would not take you to where 
they appeared they would.


Mike
Sent from my iPhone


On May 12, 2016, at 3:10 PM, Patricia Krinke via Talk 
 wrote:


Hi,

Following is the message I received and hopes it relieves your minds:

It appears that you are currently using Windows Live Mail 2012 to connect to 
your Out‍look‍.‍com account. Windows Live Mail 2012 does not support the 
synchronization technologies used by the new Outl‍ook‍.‍com.
When account upgrades begin at the end of June, you will no longer be able 
to receive email sent to your Out‍look‍.‍com account in Windows Live Mail 
2012.
Rest assured, you can always access your email by logging into 
Out‍look‍.‍com from any web browser, and you will continue to have access to 
all your data that is currently in Windows Live Mail 2012.









If you currently use Windows Live Mail 2012, we recommend that you
switch to the Mail app in Windows
to‍day. The Mail app is built in to Windows 8/8.1 and Windows 10, and has a 
more modern design. To begin using it, simply launch the app and add your 
Out‍look‍.‍com account.









If you are using Windows 7, you can
upgrade to a newer version of Windows
to enjoy the Mail app and the other benefits. If you do not wish to upgrade, 
you can access your account via a web browser, or, you can take advantage of 
a

free one-year subscription of Office 365 Personal
, and use Outl‍ook 2016 to connect to your account.* This Off‍ice 365 
subscription also includes other productivity applications such as Word, 
PowerPoint and Excel. It works on Windows 7, Windows 8/8.1, and Windows 10.









Please take action before
Ju‍ne 30
th
, 2016
, which is when we’ll begin upgrading accounts that currently use Windows 
Live Mail 2012. If you have more questions, please find answers to common 
FAQs in this

help article
, or you can contact Microsoft
support
.








We recognize that changes like this can be difficult, and apologize for any 
inconvenience this causes you. We hope that you’ll enjoy the benefits of 
moving to the new Outl‍ook‍.‍com.











-Original Message- From: Andy Baracco via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 2:31 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows live mail going away question

Well, that doesn't mean that it will disappear from your computer. There are
folks who are still using Eudora.

Andy


-Original Message- From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 8:09 AM
To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows live mail going away question

Did they say they would stop supporting it?  If so, what are we supposed to
use instead?  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 9:44 AM
To: Gayle ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows live mail going away question

they may quit supporting WLM, and may not be any new versions but I'm still
using it on a Windows 10 PC.

-Original Message- From: Gayle via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 8:22 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Windows live mail going away question

Hi, I have Windows 7 and Windows live mail. I have WE 8.4. I heard that
windows live mail is going away. Which email program would work best with
WE8.4? Any assistance is greatly appreciated. Thanks. Gayle
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Re: 2nd try - What version of WE will work with XP? Will WE 9 work?

2016-04-16 Thread Michael Capelle via Talk

most ocr software is comptable wih win 7 and up.

-Original Message- 
From: Don H

Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 9:48 AM
To: Michael Capelle ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: 2nd try - What version of WE will work with XP? Will WE 9 work?

I totally agree that XP is unsafe to use however there are other
considerations for not upgrading.  Some of those running XP also have
other programs that will also need to be upgraded when moving to a later
OS.  For example such things as OCR programs and such.

On 4/16/2016 9:42 AM, Michael Capelle via Talk wrote:

hey chris, totally agree with you here.

-Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 9:38 AM
To: Robert Ringwald ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: 2nd try - What version of WE will work with XP? Will WE 9
work?

As I understand it, Window-eyes 9.0 is the final version that works with
xp.  I'd also like to very gently point out that if you're still running
xp, it really is time to seriously think about saving for an upgrade of
your operating system.  It's become really unsafe if you're constantly
online, and I'd really hate to see anyone get infected. Microsoft no
longer supports it so you're not getting any of the latest security
updates, and these days, security is more important than ever before.

Windows 7 has gone down in price as it's 2 versions behind the current
one. I'm still running 7 and it works very well, but my next pc will
quite definitely be running Windows 10.  All the screenreader
developers are working closely with Microsoft, and these days Windows 10
is a breeze to use.  So, upgrade with confidence.



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Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet
Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
916/ 806-9551
Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV

My goal for 2016 was to lose just 20 pounds. Only 30 to go.
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Re: 2nd try - What version of WE will work with XP? Will WE 9 work?

2016-04-16 Thread Michael Capelle via Talk

hey chris, totally agree with you here.

-Original Message- 
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk

Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 9:38 AM
To: Robert Ringwald ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: 2nd try - What version of WE will work with XP? Will WE 9 work?

As I understand it, Window-eyes 9.0 is the final version that works with
xp.  I'd also like to very gently point out that if you're still running
xp, it really is time to seriously think about saving for an upgrade of
your operating system.  It's become really unsafe if you're constantly
online, and I'd really hate to see anyone get infected. Microsoft no
longer supports it so you're not getting any of the latest security
updates, and these days, security is more important than ever before.

Windows 7 has gone down in price as it's 2 versions behind the current
one. I'm still running 7 and it works very well, but my next pc will
quite definitely be running Windows 10.  All the screenreader
developers are working closely with Microsoft, and these days Windows 10
is a breeze to use.  So, upgrade with confidence.



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Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
916/ 806-9551
Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV

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Re: malware bytes accessibility

2016-02-22 Thread Michael Capelle via Talk

you need malware bytes 1.75

-Original Message- 
From: Jed Barton via Talk

Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 3:38 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: malware bytes accessibility

Hey guys,
Well it appears malware bytes is not accessible any more.  I am running
we 8.4, and whenever i try and access it, it literally does nothing.  I
went to the system tray in windows 7, and tried several times to do a
left and right mouse click, and my system just keeps saying taskbar.
Then i hit the desktiop icon, and now it just came up, but there are no
accessible buttons.  When i tab around, nothing, arrow up and own,
nothing.  I'm running this on a win 7 machine.  Any ideas?
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Re: we 9.2, very unresponsive

2015-11-25 Thread Michael Capelle via Talk
4 gb of ram is a very minimum basic configuration.  I usually recommend at 
least 8 gb of ram or higher.


-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 3:25 PM
To: j...@jedbarton.com ; Jed Barton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: we 9.2, very unresponsive

Part of your problem could be the amount of ram you have.  On a modern
computer, I don't know that four gigs is much ram.  If I'm wrong, I'm sure
somebody will tell me.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Jed Barton via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 12:32 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: we 9.2, very unresponsive

Hey guys,
Alright, before i throw this computer out the window, i need some honest
feedback.  I am running we 9.2, a win 7 machine with 4 gigs of ram.  I
just upgraded to we 9.2, and to say i am disappointed is a big
under-statement.  This is by far the slowest version of we i have ever
used.  Guys at aisquared, i do not mean this in a bad way, but i really
need some insight here.  I'm just being bluntly honest.  On the web,
it's horrible.  I can press the up and down arrow keys, and literally
count seconds before it responds.  I find that it's just being very
slow.  I am assuming, that because of the new thing they did with
changing web pages, that this old machine just can't handle it.
I am planning on getting a new machine with windows 10, a solid state
drive, and 8 gigs of ram.  Please guys, i need some input here.  I fully
expected it would be a lot more responsive than this.  I am really
thinking of doing a system restore at this point.
Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Jed
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