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Re: Win 10 And WE 9.5.4

2020-09-03 Thread Michael Fridey via Talk

Hi Rod lets thank the God of Window

eyes keeping it alive very hard to kill a great program that just worked
straight out the box.

And i once said on a list just after We was discontinued i said that We
would work for a few more win 10 versions.

And its true so far.

cheers Michael 

On 4/09/2020 12:51 pm, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

At one time, there were a few apps which needed to be either disabled or
uninstalled in order for Window-Eyes to work in Windows 10.
On my current system, which runs the latest version of Windows 10, this is no
longer true.
Without exception, every default Window-Eyes app is running here.
A few months back, someone had written to this list with the news that they had
even gotten an app update from the Window-Eyes server.
No doubt, this was because they had an outdated app, but I recall being very
surprised to hear that app updates where available from the old Window-Eyes
server.
I know for certain that there was a time when the Window-Eyes app update server
was not active.
My guess is that there is some guardian angel or angels keeping Window-Eyes
working for the many people throughout the world who need it.
I am one of those who need it.
I have yet to find any other screen reader which allows me to manage the
connection and disconnection of attached devices between the host and virtual
machines on the current version of VMWare Workstation.
Indeed, this is very surprising to me, that is, that I cannot get Jaws or NVDA
or Narrator to focus those device icons, but the truth is before me, and so I
am saved by Window-Eyes.
Also, I have yet to find a screen reader which is as perky reading email in
Outlook which is part of Microsoft 365.
Microsoft 365 is the new name of Office 365, the subscription-based Office
product.
The Office Enhance and Outlook Enhance Window-Eyes apps work perfectly to allow
me to read and write in Outlook.
So, Tom, I simply want to suggest that you don't give up on Window-Eyes.

Take good care,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

On 2020-08-31, 3:33 PM, "Talk on behalf of Tom via Talk"
wrote:

I've had Windows 10 for a few days now and it seemed to get
worse each day. To day it's useless.

Window-Eyes 9.5.4

Could it be the APPS interfering with Windows 10?

When I figure out how to remove Window-Eyes I'll try
installing it with no apps.

Thanks,

Tom

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Re: Has anyone ever considered using the Apple Mac?

2018-05-25 Thread Michael Fridey via Talk

Yes i have a macbook and it works just fine.
Cheers Michael.  On 25 May 2018, at 5:33 am, Paulette Vickery via Talk 
 wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> 
> 
> I don't know about you, but I am just getting tired of it and want a
> complete change. I am tired of having to change screen readers every so
> often. I am tired of continually having to learn new and so called improved
> Windows programs and Windows updates. I am tired of wondering, worrying and
> waiting for the next change and inevitable scramble to keep up by the blind
> in the computer world.
> 
> 
> 
> So now, I am considering taking a leap of what ever you care to call it and
> try using an Apple laptop, specifically, the Mac Book Air. I know there is a
> steep learning curve, but I must say that there is a lot of support
> available.
> 
> For example, every Apple store is supposed to have on site training on all
> Apple devices for people with disabilities, including blind people. I know
> that the store here in Louisville has such training.
> 
> The Apple Care for people with disabilities is available over the phone 24
> hours a day, 7 days a week. That is more than there regular Apple Care.
> 
> The Apple Mac has a built in screen reader with different voices at no extra
> cost installed on each device they make. There is also a short tutorial for
> how to use Voice Over, the Apple voice and it's software, also at no extra
> cost, included on each device.
> 
> I know that it has nothing to do with how it works, but the outer case of
> the laptop is metal and has an apple, complete with 2 leaves and a bite
> taken from the apple, as the logo which I can touch easily.
> 
> 
> 
> Has anyone else thought about using, or has used an Apple mac laptop? If so
> what did or do you think about the Mac?
> 
> Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
> 
> 
> 
> Paulette
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signing out of face book.

2018-03-17 Thread Michael Fridey via Talk

Hi guys i usually use IE for M.face bookk and the sign out link is down 
the bottom.


But if i use Chrome or Edge the sign out link is not their is their a 
way to find it with Edge or Chrome.


cheers Michael.

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sent from mazilla thunderbird

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Re: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

2018-02-23 Thread michael fridey via Talk


I first started with jaws 3.2 but it did not work on internet very good.

So i brought window eyes and use it since 2004.

But i had a SMA from window eyes so i took the offer from VFo.

Doug said that he would look after us WE users and he did.

I rather WE but i will not cut off my nose to spite my face.

I still use WE plus like my good friend Rod we both like our Macs as well.

So i still want to use my win ten machines so i will run we till it does 
not work.


But i am lernig jaws on my machines all running win 10 i do not find 
jaws clunky or sluggish.


Cheers michael.


On 23/02/2018 12:45 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
I think that most of the people who like jaws have either used jaws 
since they started using computers, or have used it for years, even 
though they started off using something else.  I started off with 
window bridge, and then I got window eyes about maybe fourteen years 
ago.  I used older versions of jaws, but that was only when I was 
taking computer classes in the early 2000s or late 1990s.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:23 PM
To: lynn white via Talk
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

I realize that you can't speak for others, and that each of us has
different needs, priorities, and biases, but I wonder why why some find
Jaws to be clunky while others (such as you) are quite satisfied. I
wonder if using "outdated" software (such as Windows-7) contributes to
the problem.

That said, while I took advantage of the Jaws offer, I have yet to
migrate to Jaws and have yet to download Windows-10.  Things are running
smoothly and I hate to rock the boat.  The other issue which makes me
hesitate is Jaws' reliance on the insert key.  I use a left-handed
keyboard with the microsoft feature Sticky Keys and have never really
understood how to incorporate the insert feature with the caps lock key,
but I digress.

On 2/22/2018 3:10 PM, lynn white via Talk wrote:

Not to be contrary, I've been a Jaws user at home for over three years
and love it after being a devoted Window-Eyes user since almost day one.


I used Jaws for a number of years at work.  But, when they offered a
great home use program, I jumped at the chance and was glad that I did
even though I hated to see Window-Eyes go.


My personal feeling is that one is better served by having access to
more than one screen reader as well as learning more than one internet
browser.  Praise the Lord that we have choices.


I will say that these upgrades to these products gets rather expensive.
Not blaming Freedom Scientific.  But, when you have a family and/or you
also have other interests or needs, even the sma program becomes another
cost that requires budget juggling.


On 2/22/2018 12:36 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

    I also think Jaws sucks! I wasted money migrating to jaws. Don't
remember the cost for 2 upgrades, somewhere around 120 bucks. I gave
it  a go for about one month and said F it! Been using NVDA ever
since. occasionally use window eyes navigating windows itself, like
control, panel, settings etc. MS one core voice David sounds pretty
good in NVDA.
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Re: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

2018-02-23 Thread michael fridey via Talk


Well said MR Netbat.

Cheers Michael.


On 23/02/2018 12:43 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

you don't have to stop useing  window eyes .
both can co exist fine.
all i have to do is unload window eyes and then load jaws when i want 
to work with it.

or set it so jaws will load on bootup instead.
jaws can be unloaded with insert or capslock and f4 keys
you can change the jaws key from the insert key to the capslock key 
two ways.

by changeing to the laptop layout.
or if useing the desktop layout you can go to the settings center then 
to keyboard and insert keys i think its called and change between the 
insert or capslock key for the jaws key.




-Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 5:23 PM
To: lynn white via Talk
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

I realize that you can't speak for others, and that each of us has
different needs, priorities, and biases, but I wonder why why some find
Jaws to be clunky while others (such as you) are quite satisfied. I
wonder if using "outdated" software (such as Windows-7) contributes to
the problem.

That said, while I took advantage of the Jaws offer, I have yet to
migrate to Jaws and have yet to download Windows-10.  Things are running
smoothly and I hate to rock the boat.  The other issue which makes me
hesitate is Jaws' reliance on the insert key.  I use a left-handed
keyboard with the microsoft feature Sticky Keys and have never really
understood how to incorporate the insert feature with the caps lock key,
but I digress.

On 2/22/2018 3:10 PM, lynn white via Talk wrote:

Not to be contrary, I've been a Jaws user at home for over three years
and love it after being a devoted Window-Eyes user since almost day one.


I used Jaws for a number of years at work.  But, when they offered a
great home use program, I jumped at the chance and was glad that I did
even though I hated to see Window-Eyes go.


My personal feeling is that one is better served by having access to
more than one screen reader as well as learning more than one internet
browser.  Praise the Lord that we have choices.


I will say that these upgrades to these products gets rather expensive.
Not blaming Freedom Scientific.  But, when you have a family and/or you
also have other interests or needs, even the sma program becomes another
cost that requires budget juggling.


On 2/22/2018 12:36 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

    I also think Jaws sucks! I wasted money migrating to jaws. Don't
remember the cost for 2 upgrades, somewhere around 120 bucks. I gave
it  a go for about one month and said F it! Been using NVDA ever
since. occasionally use window eyes navigating windows itself, like
control, panel, settings etc. MS one core voice David sounds pretty
good in NVDA.
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question about docs.

2018-02-06 Thread michael fridey via Talk

    Hi ghys i know that the free app called microsoft word viewer is 
not around now.


So i was after a basic free app to read microsoft word docs.

can anyone  tell me one.

Cheers michael.

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Re: Totally OT! How to get a new iPhone talking out of the box?

2018-02-05 Thread michael fridey via Talk


That may not work when you first set it up cos siri will need wifi or data.

cheers Michael.


On 6/02/2018 1:32 AM, Moe Adl via Talk wrote:

Hold down the home botten until you hear a dink , then say "turn on voice
over"that will turn the voice over on and yu  can set the speaking rate at
what ever rate you like by going to setting, general, then accessibility,
select that, then go to speech and set the speaking rate and other item that
you like.
I  hope that help you start.

Moe. then go to

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+madl=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of michael fridey via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 2:26 AM
To: net bat via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: michael fridey <michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au>
Subject: Re: Totally OT! How to get a new iPhone talking out of the box?

it could be 3 times then i know when i got my i phone 5 c nearly 3 years ago
i thought i pressed home 5 times but iit might have been 3 times.


On 5/02/2018 3:02 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

tap the home button 3 times real fast and voice over will turn on.
then you can go through the setup yourself.

-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 6:35 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Totally OT! How to get a new iPhone talking out of the box?

I've got a new iPhone coming tomorrow and assume Siri won't work out of
the box and the triple button press isn't on by default. Any way to get
it talking or do I have to wait for eyes?
Thanks,
Tom
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Re: Totally OT! How to get a new iPhone talking out of the box?

2018-02-05 Thread michael fridey via Talk

it could be 3 times then i know when i got my i phone 5 c nearly 3 years 
ago i thought i pressed home 5 times but iit might have been 3 times.



On 5/02/2018 3:02 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:
tap the home button 3 times real fast and voice over will turn on. 
then you can go through the setup yourself.


-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 6:35 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Totally OT! How to get a new iPhone talking out of the box?

I've got a new iPhone coming tomorrow and assume Siri won't work out of
the box and the triple button press isn't on by default. Any way to get
it talking or do I have to wait for eyes?
Thanks,
Tom
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Re: Totally OT! How to get a new iPhone talking out of the box?

2018-02-04 Thread michael fridey via Talk

Or use i tunes it will give you the option to turn on speech.

cheers michael.

On 5/02/2018 2:43 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Thanks Michael. Good to know.

On 2/4/2018 9:51 PM, michael fridey via Talk wrote:
Just press the home button 5 times very fast and wait for voice over
to start talking.

cheers Michael.

On 5/02/2018 1:35 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
I've got a new iPhone coming tomorrow and assume Siri won't work out
of the box and the triple button press isn't on by default. Any way
to get it talking or do I have to wait for eyes?

Thanks,
Tom
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Re: Totally OT! How to get a new iPhone talking out of the box?

2018-02-04 Thread michael fridey via Talk

Just press the home button 5 times very fast and wait for voice over to 
start talking.


cheers Michael.


On 5/02/2018 1:35 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
I've got a new iPhone coming tomorrow and assume Siri won't work out 
of the box and the triple button press isn't on by default. Any way to 
get it talking or do I have to wait for eyes?

Thanks,
Tom
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Re: Thunderbird

2018-01-19 Thread Michael Fridey via Talk

Yes i am running the latest bird on 2 laptops.
Cheers Michael. 

> On 20 Jan 2018, at 12:24 am, Robert Martin via Talk 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks!!
> Are you using the most recent version of Thunderbird?
> Bob
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 18, 2018, at 10:54 PM, Michael Fridey via Talk 
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>> 
>> I find thunder bird works fine hear.
>> 
>> cheers Michael.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 19/01/18 2:06 PM, Robert via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I'm wondering if some kind of changes have occurred in Thunderbird.  I have
>>> used it for some time to download Gmail and it worked adequately.   At home
>>> I've switched to Outlook which works quite well but at work I have
>>> Thudnerbird on my machine and it will take a while to get our university
>>> tech folks to address my issues.   Does  have any idea what the problems
>>> with thunderbird might be.  It just doesn't work at all as it previously.
>>> Actually I also use JAWS and have basically the same problems.  Any ideas?
>>> Suggestions will be helpful.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
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Re: Thunderbird

2018-01-18 Thread Michael Fridey via Talk

I find thunder bird works fine hear.

cheers Michael.

On 19/01/18 2:06 PM, Robert via Talk wrote:

Hi,

I'm wondering if some kind of changes have occurred in Thunderbird. I have
used it for some time to download Gmail and it worked adequately. At home
I've switched to Outlook which works quite well but at work I have
Thudnerbird on my machine and it will take a while to get our university
tech folks to address my issues. Does have any idea what the problems
with thunderbird might be. It just doesn't work at all as it previously.
Actually I also use JAWS and have basically the same problems. Any ideas?
Suggestions will be helpful.

Thanks,

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skype problem

2017-12-02 Thread michael fridey via Talk


Hi guys i want to instl the native skype app.

But when i go to install it i get a message saying to try the microsoft 
store skype app.


I do not want that one.

But their is no way to get round it their is a okay button thats all.

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Re: question about upgrading win ten.

2017-11-17 Thread michael fridey via Talk

Hi David i did have 8 gig or almost that it gave me the option of using 
an external drive.

So i clicked my sd 60 gig sd flash card.
It excepted that after i clicked the re start now i waited then turned 
on naratter and found the option to insert my card witch it already was.

then click okay and nothing happen so i had to click cansil.
I wasted hours today.
So why will windows not see the drive after the first re start.
cheers Michael.
On 17/11/2017 9:24 PM, David Moore via Talk wrote:

I sure did do just that!
I have a 32 Gig SSD drive. I upgraded to 1709 with 8 Gig available on the 
drive. If you do not have that much room available, you can uninstall all 
programs you have installed, or do a refresh of your PC, which will reinstall 
Windows and get rid of all of the junk on the drive Make sure that you back up 
everything that you have saved on the drive, and save all installation files 
for your programs, so you can reinstall them after you upgrade to 1709.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: michael fridey via Talk
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 4:29 AM
To: window eyes help list
Cc: michael fridey
Subject: question about upgrading win ten.

Hi guys has anyone found if they do a up grade to the latest win 10 on a
small 32 gig flash storage laptop.

This has hapened twice i get to where it says i need more storage.So i
pick an external drive thats fine.Then when it down loads.

Then i click restart now then when laptop starts up i turn on naratter
and get a message to insert external media click okay so the card is in
and it will not go further.

So i cansil it after hours of getting to that point.

So not sure why it will not see my external drive after the reboot.

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question about upgrading win ten.

2017-11-17 Thread michael fridey via Talk

Hi guys has anyone found if they do a up grade to the latest win 10 on a 
small 32 gig flash storage laptop.


This has hapened twice i get to where it says i need more storage.So i 
pick an external drive thats fine.Then when it down loads.


Then i click restart now then when laptop starts up i turn on naratter 
and get a message to insert external media click okay so the card is in 
and it will not go further.


So i cansil it after hours of getting to that point.

So not sure why it will not see my external drive after the reboot.

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Re: problem installing Windows 10 Fall Creator's update

2017-10-20 Thread michael fridey via Talk

Hi Rod i have just done the windows 10 fall update on 4 laptops and not 
had your issue.


But i must say i know my internet is slow but it takes me 3 hours before 
i get to the restart pc button.


Cheers michael.


On 20/10/2017 9:01 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Kevin,

Yes, I tried that, and, no go.
I do have VMWare Workstation installed and I'm thinking it may have something 
to do with it since I do have a Windows 7 VM within which I had upgraded 
Window-Eyes along the way.
To be honest, I'm also thinking that it may be a good thing that I cannot 
update to the current Windows 10, and, if I'm lucky, I'll keep this version 
until my PC dies.
That way, I'll never have to worry about Window-Eyes not reading my screens, 
and I'll never need to go through the B.S. of an update, i.e., waiting for it 
to install, and at the wrong time.
If it it ain't broke, and maybe now that it is, I won't fix it. (smile)
Thanks also to David and Tom for there insights and suggestions as well.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: October 19, 2017 11:44 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Kevin Huber 
Subject: Re: problem installing Windows 10 Fall Creator's update

Hi Rod:

What you can try is to reinstall the latest version of Window-eyes
that you have been using and then use the imergency removal tool to
uninstall it.
Good Luck.



On 10/18/17, Rod Hutton via Talk  wrote:

Hi everyone,

I checked for updates manually in my Windows 10 Home system today, and, when
attempting to install the update I got the message that two apps would have
to be uninstalled since they were incompatible with the update.
These were named Window-Eyes 9.1 and below and Window-Eyes 9.3.
This is quite puzzling insofar as I completely uninstalled Windo-Eyes 9.5.4
and reinstalled it.
For one thing, I could never have installed version 9.1 on this machine
since I got the system with Windos 10.
Okay, I began with Window-Eyes 9.2 and upgraded it along the way, but
insofar as I completely removed  Window-Eyes 9.5.4 and then reinstalled it,
it looks as if Windows thinks I have old Window-Eyes files hanging around.
Incidentally, just to be sure, although I had uninstalled Window-Eyes 9.5.4
using Add/Remove Programs, I also downloaded and ran the Windo-Eyes Removal
tool just to be certain nothing was missed.
At this point, then, I cannot move forward to install the newest edition of
Windows 10.
I certainly can call the Microsoft Disability Answer Desk and see if they
can fix it.
However, I was just wondering if anyone has had a similar experience to
mine.

Thanks,

Rod
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Re: how to use any burn

2017-10-19 Thread michael fridey via Talk

Hi John i just do a control c to copy files then go to the dvd drive and 
do a control v to paste it.


asit was said that it sounds like you do not have a full copy of WE.

I got a link sent to me by Doug before he left.

So now i can instal WE at any time i would email VFO and ask if they can 
email you a link of the last full version of we.


Cheers Michael.


On 18/10/2017 9:10 PM, John Covici via Talk wrote:

You will not be able to install it from the cd, if you could  not
install it from your downloads folder.

On Wed, 18 Oct 2017 03:40:20 -0400,
mack via Talk wrote:

i want to put my copy of the 9.5.4 w/e upgrade on a dvd using
anyburn what are the steps to do this. the file is in my
downloads folder, thanks

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Re: contacting Doug.

2017-08-19 Thread michael fridey via Talk


It must be a IE issue for both screen readers lose focus.

cheers Michael.


On 19/08/2017 9:26 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
I think I didn't really have trouble with window eyes losing focus 
until a couple of years ago.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: michaels mail via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 1:51 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: michaels mail
Subject: Re: contacting Doug.

Hi Debby i first started with WE version 4.5  SP1.
It came in the old large cardboard pacage with the  cassettes WE has 
been a

good screen reader.
I use to get cranky when WE would lose focus on IE but Jaws does the same
thing.
Cheers Michael.

-Original Message- From: Debby Franson via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 1:00 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Debby Franson
Subject: Re: contacting Doug.

Hi Michael!

I was trying to remember exactly when Window-Eyes was first released. I
know it was in 1995. Here is a page I enjoyed reading that answered that
question for me.

GW Micro - Window-Eyes - Version History

http://www.gwmicro.com/Window-Eyes/Version_History/

Debby

At 08:01 PM 8/17/2017, michaeel's mail via Talk wrote
Well i am still hear i been useing WE since 2004. And i took the 
offer to Jaws as well. Cheers michael. -Original Message- 
From: Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 4:41 AM To: 
Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Reeva Webb Subject: RE: contacting 
Doug. You can tell fs starting to get desperate. Fs 10 or 15 years 
ago wouldn't have given you discounts on anything. For most the out 
of the box accessibility, android, apple etc. will work for what they 
need to do. I'm curious though, is anyone from gw or pre merger ai2 
still around.? Everyone i can think of seems to be gone. "the world 
has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night 
has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho 
Reeva On Aug 17, 2017 1:00 PM, "Joseph Norton via Talk" < 
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > Ah, I think I see where youâ€™re 
going with this. > > Are you saying things may be getting to a point 
where the cost of > maintaining JAWS is greater than anyone wants to 
pay in terms of keeping > the company going? > > I know itâ€™s not 
because of Narrator being a superior product on the > Windows side.  
It is improving, but, not enough for many of us to get rid > of JAWS. 
> > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Olusegun -- Victory 
Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 9:02 
PM > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long' > Subject: RE: 
contacting Doug. > > Well, Michael, I once opined that the war 
Freedom Scientific could not win > in the courts, was well fought and 
won outside; with its cohorts and > coterie > of friends, it 
succeeded in drowning the boat! > > The merger with AI Square came to 
me as a surprise; I didn't want to see > it > happen, but what voice 
do I have? > > I long for the day when all these adaptive equipment > 
developers/manufacturers can TRADE THEIR STOCKS publicly; may be, 
just may
> be, they'll have better stability!  Now, we keep our eyes on the > 
sparrow, Jaws may be taking its last breath as the venture 
capitalists > will soon >
squash its fins!  Then it'll be Apple and Google to fill the void at 
least
> here in the United States! > > Sincerely, > Olusegun > Denver, 
Colorado >  >

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Re: contacting Doug.

2017-08-16 Thread michael fridey via Talk


Very true.
On 17/08/2017 10:29 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Neither am I. Doug now feels betrayed by AI Squared and VFO. He will always
regret not getting a good share of the market.

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Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 5:27 PM
To: 'michael fridey'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: contacting Doug.

I'm not surprised by this.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 7:48 PM
To: window eyes help list
Subject: contacting Doug.

Hi guys i sent Doug an email and got the responce below saying he does not
work for VFO any more.

Its a bit sad he did not get to say good by on the list.

Doug was a good person and did his best for us Window Eyes users.

Cheers michael.



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Subject:FW: helo Doug from michael.
Date:   Wed, 16 Aug 2017 20:08:39 +
From:   Julie Moore <jmo...@vfogroup.com>
To: michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au <michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au>



Hello Michael,

Doug Geoffray no longer works for VFO.  His emails are being forwarded to
me, and unfortunately, I do not have a forwarding address for him.

Kind Regards,

Julie

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*Sent:* Wednesday, August 16, 2017 12:51 AM
*To:* Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com <mailto:dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>>
*Subject:* helo Doug from michael.

Hi Doug i was wondering if your still around and working.

cheers Michael.

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Re: contacting Doug.

2017-08-16 Thread michael fridey via Talk


Its sad most of the gw micro starf got to say good by to us.

He fort for us to get Jaws after all that happened.

He made the best screen reader.

cheers Michael.


On 17/08/2017 10:26 AM, Dennis Long wrote:

I'm not surprised by this.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 7:48 PM
To: window eyes help list
Subject: contacting Doug.

Hi guys i sent Doug an email and got the responce below saying he does not
work for VFO any more.

Its a bit sad he did not get to say good by on the list.

Doug was a good person and did his best for us Window Eyes users.

Cheers michael.



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Date:   Wed, 16 Aug 2017 20:08:39 +
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Hello Michael,

Doug Geoffray no longer works for VFO.  His emails are being forwarded to
me, and unfortunately, I do not have a forwarding address for him.

Kind Regards,

Julie

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*Sent:* Wednesday, August 16, 2017 12:51 AM
*To:* Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com <mailto:dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>>
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Hi Doug i was wondering if your still around and working.

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contacting Doug.

2017-08-16 Thread michael fridey via Talk

Hi guys i sent Doug an email and got the responce below saying he does 
not work for VFO any more.


Its a bit sad he did not get to say good by on the list.

Doug was a good person and did his best for us Window Eyes users.

Cheers michael.



 Forwarded Message 
Subject:FW: helo Doug from michael.
Date:   Wed, 16 Aug 2017 20:08:39 +
From:   Julie Moore 
To: michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au 



Hello Michael,

Doug Geoffray no longer works for VFO.  His emails are being forwarded 
to me, and unfortunately, I do not have a forwarding address for him.


Kind Regards,

Julie

*Julie Moore*

*VFO™ *| Manager, Enterprise Compliance

11800 31^st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716

*T*800-444-4443 x6112 *F* 802-362-1670

jmo...@vfogroup.com 

www.vfo-group.com 

*From:*michael's emails [mailto:michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au]
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 16, 2017 12:51 AM
*To:* Doug Geoffray >
*Subject:* helo Doug from michael.

Hi Doug i was wondering if your still around and working.

cheers Michael.

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Re: Jaws start up

2017-07-27 Thread michael fridey via Talk

Hi David press insert letter v then arrow to help submenu then right arrow.

Then arrow up or down till you hear run setup wizzard.

That will let you set all the option you want.

Cheers Michael.

On 28/07/2017 9:24 AM, David Crowell via Talk wrote:

Hi all,

Well believe it or not I downloadede jaws at 1:15pm today and had my
authorization shortly after 3pm.
So far things are going fairly well for me except for one issue.
For some reason when I installed I set start up at the log in screen. But a
couple of times when I shutdown my computer then came back and turned on my
computer Jaws did not start so I had to have a sighted person help me locate
the desktop icon so I could press enter to start jaws.

I am still trying to learn the menus of Jaws which is frustrating and I can
not find where the start up options are located so I can double check things
to make sure I have it set up properly and if not to set start up like I
want it.

Thanks for any help it is appreciated. Dave
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Re: how to obtain windoweyes downloadable CD

2017-07-25 Thread michael fridey via Talk


I agree i took jaws offer.

I must admit good old WE i think  works better.

But We will not run for ever.

so people who will as you say cut off their nose should take it after 
all we payed for WE


So Doug made sure us WE users would not miss out.

Cheers Michael.


On 25/07/2017 1:51 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

While you have to do what is best for you, don't cut off your nose to
spite your jaws.  I don't care if someone never uses Jaws, there is no
rational basis for not taking advantage of a free offer.

On 7/24/2017 11:07 PM, Darrell Bowles wrote:

I'm trying to use both NVDA and Narrator as well as dolphin  screen reader, so I don't 
have to bow to the "JAWS god."

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 11:05 PM
To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
; michaels mail 
Subject: Re: how to obtain windoweyes downloadable CD

To be fair, why do they owe anyone a WE CD?  Besides, I'm sure if one goes to 
Ebay ar Amazon, he'll find what he needs.

On 7/24/2017 10:26 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

Yes, but Doug isn't there any more.  Speculation on my part, but I'd
bet the farm they won't issue a cd.  Everyone is supposed to bow to
the jaws God and be greatful.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Tue, 25 Jul 2017, michaels mail via Talk wrote:


I do not think that way will work.
I emailed Doug months back and he sent me a link for the full latest
window eyes.
Cos remember this year we had  that cirtifcation issue.
Cheers Michael.

-Original Message- From: Jeff Weiss via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:56 AM
To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: how to obtain windoweyes downloadable CD

You know that you can still go through window-eyes help, check for
updates, and then download the latest version update.
I hope you have saved passed cd's and you can use the last cd--I
think back to window-eyes 8.0 and then install this latest update.
As far as buying a replacement cd if you have lost yours, I have know
idea if they will still sell you one for $20 like they used to or
not.
I keep every cd and every update that I get, just so I can install on
my other computers without downloading again.
hth,
Jeff Weiss



-Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 2:04 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: how to obtain windoweyes downloadable CD

Hi, how do I get my WindowEyes cd so I can download it and save it?

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Re: t bird help.

2017-07-18 Thread michael fridey via Talk

Hi Neville escape does not close the email i just read.
The way i found the in box was to tab down 4 times.
It sounds like their is no easy way to set it up like WLM.
Cheers Michael.
On 19/07/2017 11:02 AM, Neville via Talk wrote:

Hi Michael,

When Tbird is loaded, hit shift tab to place you in the box or folder
you were in when you exited.

To close a message, hit escape.

HTH
Neville.

On 19/07/2017 10:52 AM, michael fridey via Talk wrote:

Hi guys i have just installed t bird on my laptop.

So far its working good.

Can any body give me some tips on using it.

Such as is their a way to have t bird open in the in box like WLM.

Plus wen i open a email the only way i can close it is with control w
is their another way.

Cheers Michael.

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t bird help.

2017-07-18 Thread michael fridey via Talk


Hi guys i have just installed t bird on my laptop.

So far its working good.

Can any body give me some tips on using it.

Such as is their a way to have t bird open in the in box like WLM.

Plus wen i open a email the only way i can close it is with control w is 
their another way.


Cheers Michael.

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Re: gun shy about new laptop

2017-04-13 Thread Michael Fridey via Talk


> I agree i brought a new tosheba notebook couple years back and after a week.
Each time i booted it up the sound was disabled i took it back twice to the 
store to be fixed.
After twice of no sound at all i took it back and payed more for a dell 
notebook and never had problems with the dell.
Cheers Michael.
> On 14 Apr 2017, at 1:41 am, Van Lant, Robin via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm also going to toss in that my Toshiba lasted just two years that 
> completely died.  My husband's Toshiba is maybe 4 years old and the keyboard 
> now won't work correctly -- something about the keyboard drivers not being 
> compatible with the latest Windows updates.  I'm a bit nervous about the 
> quality of Toshiba laptops.  Then again, a computer tech friend of mine says 
> most laptops for personal use are not built to last more than a few years.  I 
> miss having my desktops that easily lasted. 7-8 years or longer.  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Jo Taliaferro via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 3:53 PM
> To: Chris G; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: gun shy about new laptop
> 
> Hello, on a similar note, I have been reading up on to Sheba and some of the 
> losses that have occurred because of various things like bad management, etc. 
> How risky is it now, to buy a to Shiba computer for business purposes 
> question does anyone have a clue after hearing Jonathan Moseman's podcast in 
> November 2016 question thank you, I have liked to Shiba in the past but 
> wonder if I couldn't get a business computer and still have the portability 
> that I like? Thank you so much.
> 
> Jo Taliaferro 
> 
> On Apr 12, 2017, at 11:53 AM, Chris G via Talk  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> A couple years ago I purchased a Toshiba.
> There were some thigs i liked.
> 1.  Toshiba had a  utility where I went in and turned off the function key 
> myself.
> 2.  It has the 10 key number pad.
> 3.  it has the applications key.
> Here is the link, you can get it refurbished for about  $350.00 It has 
> windows 8.1 on it but you should be able to install Windows 10.
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00FOXJ9NM/ref=dp_olp_all_mbc?ie=UTF8=all
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>  Original Message 
> From: Van Lant, Robin via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, Apr 12, 2017 12:14 PM EST
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: gun shy about new laptop
> 
> Late last summer I got a new HP laptop.  The primary thing that drew me to it 
> in the store was the keyboard layout of having the 10-key number pad on the 
> right, yet only being a 15 inch screen.  What I did not realize until after I 
> got it home and paid money for a tech to come help me set it up was two 
> things.  First, it does not have the application key, which I have learned to 
> get around with the Shift F10 keystroke. The bigger problem was the whole 
> thing we've talked about with now having to push the FN key in order to get 
> the function keys to work the way I want.  (I had not found someone who was 
> comfortable going into the bios to help me see about changing this.)  The 
> biggest problem Is that this function key thing also applies to the Insert 
> key, as it is right next to the F12 key.  I've gotten pretty good at using 
> the caps lock key instead, but this requires some real finger gymnastics to 
> activate certain Window Eyes command.  Aside from all this, there is also 
> some w
 e 
>  ird clicking thing that the keyboard occasionally does that is annoying. All 
> this to say, it's not been a great experience and had I not invested in 
> paying a tech to set up the computer for me, I probably would have quickly 
> returned it to Costco for a refund or exchange.
> 
> So, I'm in a situation now where I may be giving this laptop to my sighted 
> husband and getting a new one, but I'm gun-shy about how not to repeat this 
> problem in my laptop selection.  I am not a heavy computer user at home, so 
> did not want to spend much money, although I'm not looking for the cheapest 
> netbook thing either.  I mainly looked at Best Buy and Costco, because I 
> wanted to get my hands on the keyboard and feel the layout.  I like that 
> Costco doubles the manufacturer's warranty and provides great, free help desk 
> support for the computers purchased there.
> 
> Any advice from those of you having purchased

Re: making the switch

2017-04-05 Thread Michael Fridey via Talk

I have had a macbook for 6 years and love it.
And just brought a new macbook air few weeks back its great.
So far voiceover does not crash and reads all the web sites i visit.
cheers Michael. 
> On 4 Apr 2017, at 11:45 pm, Dave via Talk  wrote:
> 
> Well before you Unsubscribe from this list, once you have an Apple Mac,
> and you've had it for a couple of months, let us know what you think?  
> 
> And my request is not coming from a, Wait till you find out how
> miserable the Mac is, attitude.Not hardly.  Am very interested in
> how good the Mac actually is, and just how accessible that system can be.  
> 
> Like Narrator, at first glance it seems to work well enough, it speaks
> things well, and even things the other two Screen Readers do not.And
> yet, Narrator is limited it what it can do, and what it can read.I
> have gotten the impression that All Screen Readers have this
> characteristic, but for some Readers, those Gaps in what is not read are
> smaller.  
> 
> In our imperfect world of Computer Access, most of us want as much
> access as possible.  Less is not a Good thing, otherwise we would all be
> seriously looking at Narrator.  
> 
> And of course, everyone's Need for a Computer varies.  Some use it to
> red and write Emails and a letter to Grandma once in a while.  And
> others still, use their computer all day long, and quite intensely, which
> puts not only the Operating System through a Vigorous Work Out, but the
> Screen Reader has to attempt to read everything and Keep up with the
> user who is pushing everything on the system to the breaking point.  
> 
> So, after you've had the Mac system for a while, post your thoughts, and
> what you actually need the system to do for you.  
> 
> Grumpy Dave
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Re: Ebay Test

2015-06-10 Thread Michael Fridey via Talk

yeah I can move around the web sight as well but it is hard when WE just keeps
saying so many days and so many hours and so on it drives me crazy.
But afgter I find my ebay link we reads fine.
cheers Michael.
On 10 Jun 2015, at 4:00 pm, Dave via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:

Hello,

I just attempted to go to Ebay.com, and the first time, I made it to the
site, but could not do anything. Was very sluggish. Could not move around
using Arrow keys. Shut down I.E. 11, and restarted it. Went back to Ebay,
and even logged into Ebay. Sure enough, a couple of Headers for Fashions,
and ebay Motors started reading over and over.

But, I could move around, and typed in a search item, tabbed to the Search
Button, and I was taken to the next screen. The Titles for Fashions, and
Ebay Motors kept talking until I pressed the Search Button.

On the second page, I needed to press CTRL, Shift, and the A keys to put the
Screen Reader in Browse mode.

I had to move slowly, but was able to look at new computers with AMD Chips,
and that had Free Shipping and 16 GB of Memory.

Like I said, I had to move around slowly, and take my time, but Win eyes 9.1
worked well enough tonight, after the first attempt ended with a trip into
the Cyber Ditch.

9.1 is definitely not as responsive as the older 8.4, and I can never tell if
this is going to be a good trip to the Internet, or one that ends with me
having to do a re start of the system.

I am hoping this is only Growing pains for 9.1 and updates will improve my
mood greatly.

Dave

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Re: ebay.

2015-06-10 Thread Michael Fridey via Talk

well we is ment to work with aria I thought.
On 10 Jun 2015, at 11:58 pm, Dave via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:

The Key thing I read in this article, was that Aria is to give more Access to
those using Screen Readers, or Magnifiers. I wonder if places like Ebay and
Amazon, and others, are doing any hiring of people who actually use Screen
Readers, or Screen magnifiers?
As we all know, Access is great, but too much Access is as bad as not having
enough.

When applying for jobs, the Employer always wants the person applying to know
specifically what job they are applying.

anyone know the name of such a job, where someone tests Web Pages for
Realistic Accessibility?

I would think it would require someone with some sight, as how else would
someone limited to only using a Screen Reader know when something was not
getting picked up and read by the Screen Reader?

However, if anyone knows the job title of such a job, would you share it?

Dave

At 06:30 AM 6/10/2015, you wrote:
Hi,
These are ARIA events.
The web site is telling the screen reader what to say, so the screen reader
is saying it.

Here is a link I found for those interested on ARIA:
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Accessibility/ARIA/Web_applications_and_ARIA_FAQ

Chris

Window-Eyes Product Support
Ai Squared
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(802) 362-3612
www.aisquared.com

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 10:12 PM
To: michael's; via Talk
Subject: Re: ebay.

ebay changed there main page with a big flash advertisement. but i wonder
this extra speech started because i told you tube to use the html5 player
instead of the adobe flash player. i don't know if this would make any
difference.
it also speaks how many results it fines before i even press enter on the
search box. even though i have firefox set to not show search suggestions in
the options menu.

-Original Message-
From: michael's
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 6:38 PM
To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: ebay.

Hi Net Bat i usually have no problems with ebay.
And now this week after i sign in We just keeps saying over and over about
so many hours and days I can tab around but when WE will not stop yapping
about days and hours \i do not know what link i am selecting.
My Wife can see and she said the screen looked okay so she just clicked ebay
on with the mouse and We behaved its self after that until i sign in again.
And this is happening to my laptop and brand new desktop both running win
8.1
So it sounds like the curser may be on some part of the screen witch may be
my problem.
Cheers michael.

-Original Message-
From: net bat via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 3:00 AM
To: goshawk on horseback ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: ebay.

i have to use the mobile.ebay.com site. this works better.;

-Original Message-
From: goshawk on horseback via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 6:23 AM
To: michael's mail box ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: ebay.

the latest WE does seem to have a lot of issues with ebay lately, I have
said about a couple of them here myself, and really hope the next update
will properly fix them, as at the moment, my NVDA, which was supposed to
only be a backup for those times that WE decided not to talk to me, is
proving better at working with ebay than WE, which is a shame!

Simon

- Original Message -
From: michael's mail box via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com
To: window eyes help list talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 12:43 PM
Subject: ebay.

Hi guys I was wondering if anyone else is finding after they sign in to ebay
that WE just goes silly and just yaps about days and times you can tab but I
can not find what link i am on cos we just yaps as if its stuck on somethin.
it only happens after I sign in.
Cheers Michael.
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Re: ebay.

2015-06-10 Thread Michael Fridey via Talk

for me it just happens when i sign in.
If i just load ebay we works fine but after sign in we reads silly.
But this does not happen every time.
Plus I use ebay Australia so not sure if it is the same as ebay .con.
Cheers.
On 11 Jun 2015, at 12:07 am, Petro T. Giannakopoulos via Talk
talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:

Please provide a Ebay link for a product so I can test with 3 different
screen readers. JAWS is not showing this behavior. Maybe offer a ARIA on /
off feature?

-Original Message- From: Chris Grabowski via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 9:30 AM
To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: ebay.

Hi,
These are ARIA events.
The web site is telling the screen reader what to say, so the screen reader
is saying it.

Here is a link I found for those interested on ARIA:
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Accessibility/ARIA/Web_applications_and_ARIA_FAQ

Chris

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-Original Message- From: michael's
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 6:38 PM
To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: ebay.

-Original Message- From: net bat via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 3:00 AM
To: goshawk on horseback ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: ebay.

i have to use the mobile.ebay.com site. this works better.;

-Original Message- From: goshawk on horseback via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 6:23 AM
To: michael's mail box ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: ebay.

Simon

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talk@lists.window-eyes.com
To: window eyes help list talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 12:43 PM
Subject: ebay.

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Re: Win 10 And WE 9.5.4

Re: Has anyone ever considered using the Apple Mac?

signing out of face book.

Re: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

Re: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

question about docs.

Re: Totally OT! How to get a new iPhone talking out of the box?

Re: Totally OT! How to get a new iPhone talking out of the box?

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Re: Totally OT! How to get a new iPhone talking out of the box?

Re: Thunderbird

Re: Thunderbird

skype problem

Re: question about upgrading win ten.

question about upgrading win ten.

Re: problem installing Windows 10 Fall Creator's update

Re: how to use any burn

Re: contacting Doug.

Re: contacting Doug.

Re: contacting Doug.

contacting Doug.

Re: Jaws start up

Re: how to obtain windoweyes downloadable CD

Re: t bird help.

t bird help.

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Re: ebay.

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