RE: Considering VoiceOver

[steve.jacobson--- via Talk]

I have been a JAWS user for a couple of years now, and I am the last person
to ever say that any screen reader, including Window-Eyes and VoiceOver are
perfect.  What I have found with JAWS, though, is that it has so many
options and preferences that sometimes what appears to me to be a problem is
actually a preference setting or something I am doing wrong.  To use JAWS
well, there is no getting around the fact that you have to dig into it and
learn about it.  For example, on some web pages, certain newer types of
control work best with JAWS if you turn off the JAWS virtual cursor.  You
can toggle that off by pressing INSERT Z.  Also, JAWS is smart enough
sometimes to figure out the best way to interact with a control like some
calendars by pressing ENTER on them.  This is extra work, but it is also
happening because JAWS has options that are not present in VoiceOver, for
example.  There may well be things that VoiceOver does better, but it makes
sense to be sure a decision is made from a position of knowledge.  There are
just no simple answers.  VoiceOver is free and comes with the operating
system, but you will generally pay more for an Apple computer than a Windows
computer.  In some cases, you are getting more powerful hardware, so I'm not
saying the extra expense isn't worth it, because it might be.  However, you
might also find that spending extra money for an equivalent Windows machine
will make Windows screen readers behave better.  

I do not have any trouble with JAWS coming back after my computer comes out
of sleep mode.  It seems to me I did a few versions back.  Sometimes,
though, it does seem to take a while.  If Windows 10 is being used, it has
introduced a lock screen even if you don't have a password that seems to
take extra time for me.  This isn't to say that someone else is not having
trouble.  My point is that this is not a universal problem through my
experience.  

There are people who have switched to Apple and VoiceOver and are happy with
it.  There have also been people who switched and eventually came back to
Windows.  From what I have read, those who have switched and then returned
to Windows are usually people who perform specific tasks that Apple did not
do as well for them.  If one tends to do things that Apple does well and
does not perform tasks that some have found difficult with VoiceOver on an
apple, they are not going to experience the same frustration.  Whatever one
does about choosing a screen reader or a computer, one needs to investigate
and educate oneself to be sure the system is right.  If one is not the type
of person who digs into the differences between Windows, IOS, or Apple's
operating system, then think carefully about all of the things one does and
read what others have said.

It is easy to say that JAWS is all bad and VoiceOver is all good, or that
Apple is bad and Windows is good.  People say both.  Things are never quite
that simple.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of geodom--- via Talk
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 9:10 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: geo...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver

Oh yeah!  So Microsoft can ping pong it back to them!  Right!  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 7:15 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver

Jaws still isn't that great. lol. If I set jaws to load at the log on
screen, and the PC goes to sleep, when I wake it up jaws will not speak. I
have to hope and cross my fingers and try logging in. then I can start
window eyes because jaws still will not run. Once I start WE then I can turn
it off and start jaws and it speaks. I left jaws back in 2004 because it
didn't work well with a site builder I ws using and WE worked just fine. I
have never had a productive encounter with FS tech support. 95 percent of
the time they tell you to contact Microsoft. LIKE, WHAT?

-Original Message- 
From: geodom--- via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 2:34 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: geo...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver

But I could do more with window eyes with the computer right out of the box.
Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 11:31 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver

Jaws is a very good screen reader.  People need to give it time.  You didn't
learn WindowEyes over night and you won't learn Jaws over night either.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of CJ MAY via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 4:12 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: CJ MAY
Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver

I did consider going down this route but I am basically lazy and it would
mean learning a new operating system. I am so familiar with the Microsoft
operating system 

RE: outlook 2016 question

[steve.jacobson--- via Talk]

BJ,

Wow, I put this message aside until I could go to the Outlook calendar and
check the options and then completely forgot about it.  I apologize for
that.

Unfortunately, some behaviors of Outlook vary from version to version, but
she should try the following.

Go to the Calendar folder.  I press ALT-Y, arrow to calendar and press
ENTER.

Then bring up the "View" tab on the ribbon.  I press ALT-V, but I believe
this did not work for a while.  Usually, one can also press the ALT key to
bring up the ribbon and press the RIGHT ARROW until one hears "View."  

Then press TAB to Arrange By and press ENTER.  There will be a number of
buttons for different slices of time such as "Day", "Week", "Work Week", and
"Month."  Even those these may be announced as buttons, the view that is
currently chosen will say "Checked" with the corresponding button.  TAB to
"Month" and press ENTER and see if that changes the view back to what she
wants.

I hope this helps and that it gets her close enough to get it working as she
would like.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: bj colt [mailto:bjc...@blueyonder.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 9:01 AM
To: steve.jacob...@visi.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: outlook 2016 question

Hi Steve,

I am writing to you direct but it is a w.e and outlook question. My friend 
somehow altered the view of her outlook calendar. . I helped her change the 
view to normal and she is happy with that. This one I would imagine is 
simple but I don't use outlook. This is her problem

The calendar under number two key, however is a strange new one that says 
every half hour times  for every day.  What I had before was just a layout 
similar to a regular sighted calendar where the days were in a horizontal 
row and you could arrow around and find out if the 4th of March was on which

day of the week.  I think she wants the calendar to be viewd as the type on 
the little tags on those old fashioned picture cards. I don't know which 
version of outlook she has but it definitly uses the ribbon andnot menu's.

Have you any idea how to change the calendar view to the type of view she 
wants? Any help would be very much appreciated.

Live long and prosper, John

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From: "Steve Jacobson via Talk" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:32 PM
To: "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" 
Cc: "Steve Jacobson" 
Subject: RE: outlook 2016 question

> Richard,
>
> I missed part of this thread, but if you are not receiving email that you
> believe you should be receiving, the Focused In-box "feature" was probably
> turned on by an Outlook 2016 update.  If you tab around the message list
> screen, you should find a button that says "Other In-box."  If you press
> that you should get to the normal in-box.  If this is the case and you 
> want
> to turn that feature off, go to the "View" tab on the ribbon and uncheck 
> the
> "Focused In-box" option.  It may be identified as a "button" but it will 
> say
> it is checked when it is on.  When the Focus In-box feature is on, your
> in-box will contain the email Microsoft believes you want to read first.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> -Original Message-
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>
> When I hit altvab what should be selected? I have nothing selected I have
> show in groups unchecked which is what I want and I also have sort 
> messages
> in ascending order which is what I want. I didn't receive any messages at
> all at work so far and usually there is  messages from the windoweyes talk
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RE: getting start up and shut down sounds to work in win10

[steve.jacobson--- via Talk]

Perhaps this has changed, but it is also my understanding that one has to
turn "fast boot" off in Windows 10 to hear the startup sound.  If that
feature is on, the boot process seems to skip the startup sound.  This
option is in settings, but I was not able to find it just now when I looked.
I know it is buried pretty deep, but Googling it helped me find it in the
past.  .  .  I also could not find a shutdown sound any more.  

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2018 4:32 PM
To: Dennis Long via Talk 
Cc: Tom Kingston 
Subject: Re: getting start up and shut down sounds to work in win10

Control panel, Sound, sounds.
Tab past the individual lists and there's a checkbox for the startup 
sound. I don't know if there's a shutdown sound. I don't use them and 
just ran quickly through and didn't see one.
Hth,
Tom


On 1/5/2018 5:18 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
> Hi, how do you get start up and shut down sounds to work in windows10?
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