Re: Did the list die?

2016-02-14 Thread Pamela Dominguez via Talk 
Supposedly.  Since the window eyes office thing.  I'm not sure how far that 
goes, though.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 9:26 AM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Did the list die?

Am I right or wrong, doesn't WE have some kind of partnership with
microsoft. I know now WE is in with Office.

-Original Message- 
From: Rick Thomas via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 3:07 AM
To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Did the list die?

Hi Nick: That is true indeed.
There are some Internet and other things WindowEyes handles better than the
other readers, not many but some.
The point for me is that no matter who is creating software it should flat
out work properly or it is not ready for prime time production.
With a screen reader that is almost impossible since they have to deal with
other peoples work, people who create the programs the screen reader is
trying to read and navigate.
This, however, is no excuse but a valid reason for some problems that a
screen reader with a limited staff just wont be able to address for every
individual client and every individual third party program.
That is why management is so important, that is it has to Organize,
prioritize  and Implement those features deemed most important to their
clients.
For a screen reader company I would guess it is to get every window in the
Windows Operating System working very, very well, then the Internet and then
other third party applications like Office and only then develop for other
third party applications.
I would stress the entire Microsoft Platform, all programs Microsoft puts
out as my first priority with an eye twoard a few other very popular
programs but then I am not the top dog anyplace nor would I want to be -
allot of stress indeed.
But there is money in making professional tools and popular programs
accessible and before you ever touch a keyboard as a developer you do a cost
/ benefit analysis of the project even if just an informal discussion and
Microsoft and a few non Microsoft programs are widely used in business,
industry and Finance and that is where the bulk of my work would be targeted
since Government and Industry will pay for the screen reader that works the
best with packages their employees use and greenies are, despite some
people, very very important to the survival of any company.
No company, no screen reader.
I would also let my client base know what is on the table for review like in
an agile project management senario so they get an idea of what is high
priority and what is low priority to have an open discussion of what and why
some things may, or not, get addressed in the near to intermediate future -
at least I would try that out to help get more input of real value from my
client base if I were a small development team with limited resources or I
think I would try it - perhaps not just never been there done that.
Anyway, you are correct but for the fact that WE does not work flawlesly
with the Windows10 operating system in my opinion and that in my case would
be job1 with the internet job2 which also seems to need some work.
Rick USA.


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Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 2:59 AM
To: Tony C <tch...@mediacombb.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Did the list die?

I bet it's a trade off.  The more you use the likes of these other free
creen readers, I bet you'll find issues you don't have with WE.

On 2/13/2016 7:51 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
Hi, I know a few people have told me that they are about to give up on WE, 
but did everyone?? I’ve been having to use other screen reader for stuff 
because WE is getting to be really frustrating. But Damn

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Re: Did the list die?

2016-02-14 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk 
How can you not care who's at fault?  If you want something to work, it 
would help to know the possible reason it doesn't.


On 2/14/2016 12:49 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
I'm about to give up on support. Everytime I've contacted them since 
windows 7 it's ended up if they can't fix it to be blamed on windows. 
I don't care whose at fault, I just need it to work at least to where 
it isn't a frustration everytime I use the PC. I've been using PC's 
since Dos 6.22 and windows 95. There has always been some things that 
were problem areas, but the basics always seemed to work ok, which 
isn't the case now. Hell, there are dialog boxes that come up in 
windows they We will not read or only read part of.


-Original Message- From: Jim via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 11:36 AM
To: Nick Sarames ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Did the list die?

Hi there!
I certainly haven't given up on W.E. nor will I! I love it even though
it has a few miner issues.  Never have used JAWs on a regular basis so
really can't make any realy judgments on that one, but W.E. beats NVDA
hands down! And until someone comes up with a screenreader that "I"
consider to be better I will stick with what I know.  Just my 2 sense
worth, whatever that might be worth these days! TNX A Great Day! de
.

On 14-Feb-16 02:59, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
I bet it's a trade off.  The more you use the likes of these other 
free creen readers, I bet you'll find issues you don't have with WE.


On 2/13/2016 7:51 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
Hi, I know a few people have told me that they are about to give up 
on WE, but did everyone?? I’ve been having to use other screen 
reader for stuff because WE is getting to be really frustrating. But 
Damn

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Re: Did the list die?

2016-02-14 Thread Tony C via Talk 
Am I right or wrong, doesn't WE have some kind of partnership with 
microsoft. I know now WE is in with Office.


-Original Message- 
From: Rick Thomas via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 3:07 AM
To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Did the list die?

Hi Nick: That is true indeed.
There are some Internet and other things WindowEyes handles better than the 
other readers, not many but some.
The point for me is that no matter who is creating software it should flat 
out work properly or it is not ready for prime time production.
With a screen reader that is almost impossible since they have to deal with 
other peoples work, people who create the programs the screen reader is 
trying to read and navigate.
This, however, is no excuse but a valid reason for some problems that a 
screen reader with a limited staff just wont be able to address for every 
individual client and every individual third party program.
That is why management is so important, that is it has to Organize, 
prioritize  and Implement those features deemed most important to their 
clients.
For a screen reader company I would guess it is to get every window in the 
Windows Operating System working very, very well, then the Internet and then 
other third party applications like Office and only then develop for other 
third party applications.
I would stress the entire Microsoft Platform, all programs Microsoft puts 
out as my first priority with an eye twoard a few other very popular 
programs but then I am not the top dog anyplace nor would I want to be - 
allot of stress indeed.
But there is money in making professional tools and popular programs 
accessible and before you ever touch a keyboard as a developer you do a cost 
/ benefit analysis of the project even if just an informal discussion and 
Microsoft and a few non Microsoft programs are widely used in business, 
industry and Finance and that is where the bulk of my work would be targeted 
since Government and Industry will pay for the screen reader that works the 
best with packages their employees use and greenies are, despite some 
people, very very important to the survival of any company.

No company, no screen reader.
I would also let my client base know what is on the table for review like in 
an agile project management senario so they get an idea of what is high 
priority and what is low priority to have an open discussion of what and why 
some things may, or not, get addressed in the near to intermediate future - 
at least I would try that out to help get more input of real value from my 
client base if I were a small development team with limited resources or I 
think I would try it - perhaps not just never been there done that.
Anyway, you are correct but for the fact that WE does not work flawlesly 
with the Windows10 operating system in my opinion and that in my case would 
be job1 with the internet job2 which also seems to need some work.

Rick USA.


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 2:59 AM
To: Tony C <tch...@mediacombb.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

Subject: Re: Did the list die?

I bet it's a trade off.  The more you use the likes of these other free
creen readers, I bet you'll find issues you don't have with WE.

On 2/13/2016 7:51 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
Hi, I know a few people have told me that they are about to give up on WE, 
but did everyone?? I’ve been having to use other screen reader for stuff 
because WE is getting to be really frustrating. But Damn

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Re: Did the list die?

2016-02-14 Thread Singing Sparrow via Talk 
Yes they do to provide window eyes for  free of charge if you purchase 
microsoft office or if you subscribe to office 365 but you would have to 
pay for dectalk access 32,  vocalizer, or Eloquence to be able to use 
them in the free version of window eyes.


On 2/14/2016 8:26 AM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
Am I right or wrong, doesn't WE have some kind of partnership with 
microsoft. I know now WE is in with Office.


-Original Message- From: Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 3:07 AM
To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Did the list die?

Hi Nick: That is true indeed.
There are some Internet and other things WindowEyes handles better 
than the other readers, not many but some.
The point for me is that no matter who is creating software it should 
flat out work properly or it is not ready for prime time production.
With a screen reader that is almost impossible since they have to deal 
with other peoples work, people who create the programs the screen 
reader is trying to read and navigate.
This, however, is no excuse but a valid reason for some problems that 
a screen reader with a limited staff just wont be able to address for 
every individual client and every individual third party program.
That is why management is so important, that is it has to Organize, 
prioritize  and Implement those features deemed most important to 
their clients.
For a screen reader company I would guess it is to get every window in 
the Windows Operating System working very, very well, then the 
Internet and then other third party applications like Office and only 
then develop for other third party applications.
I would stress the entire Microsoft Platform, all programs Microsoft 
puts out as my first priority with an eye twoard a few other very 
popular programs but then I am not the top dog anyplace nor would I 
want to be - allot of stress indeed.
But there is money in making professional tools and popular programs 
accessible and before you ever touch a keyboard as a developer you do 
a cost / benefit analysis of the project even if just an informal 
discussion and Microsoft and a few non Microsoft programs are widely 
used in business, industry and Finance and that is where the bulk of 
my work would be targeted since Government and Industry will pay for 
the screen reader that works the best with packages their employees 
use and greenies are, despite some people, very very important to the 
survival of any company.

No company, no screen reader.
I would also let my client base know what is on the table for review 
like in an agile project management senario so they get an idea of 
what is high priority and what is low priority to have an open 
discussion of what and why some things may, or not, get addressed in 
the near to intermediate future - at least I would try that out to 
help get more input of real value from my client base if I were a 
small development team with limited resources or I think I would try 
it - perhaps not just never been there done that.
Anyway, you are correct but for the fact that WE does not work 
flawlesly with the Windows10 operating system in my opinion and that 
in my case would be job1 with the internet job2 which also seems to 
need some work.

Rick USA.


-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 2:59 AM
To: Tony C <tch...@mediacombb.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

Subject: Re: Did the list die?

I bet it's a trade off.  The more you use the likes of these other free
creen readers, I bet you'll find issues you don't have with WE.

On 2/13/2016 7:51 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
Hi, I know a few people have told me that they are about to give up 
on WE, but did everyone?? I’ve been having to use other screen reader 
for stuff because WE is getting to be really frustrating. But Damn

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Re: Did the list die?

2016-02-14 Thread Tony C via Talk 
I'm about to give up on support. Everytime I've contacted them since windows 
7 it's ended up if they can't fix it to be blamed on windows. I don't care 
whose at fault, I just need it to work at least to where it isn't a 
frustration everytime I use the PC. I've been using PC's since Dos 6.22 and 
windows 95. There has always been some things that were problem areas, but 
the basics always seemed to work ok, which isn't the case now. Hell, there 
are dialog boxes that come up in windows they We will not read or only read 
part of.


-Original Message- 
From: Jim via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 11:36 AM
To: Nick Sarames ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Did the list die?

Hi there!
I certainly haven't given up on W.E. nor will I! I love it even though
it has a few miner issues.  Never have used JAWs on a regular basis so
really can't make any realy judgments on that one, but W.E. beats NVDA
hands down! And until someone comes up with a screenreader that "I"
consider to be better I will stick with what I know.  Just my 2 sense
worth, whatever that might be worth these days! TNX A Great Day! de
.

On 14-Feb-16 02:59, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
I bet it's a trade off.  The more you use the likes of these other free 
creen readers, I bet you'll find issues you don't have with WE.


On 2/13/2016 7:51 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
Hi, I know a few people have told me that they are about to give up on 
WE, but did everyone?? I’ve been having to use other screen reader for 
stuff because WE is getting to be really frustrating. But Damn

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RE: Did the list die?

2016-02-14 Thread Rick Thomas via Talk 
Hi: Go to the WE Website where they have their lists and check if they turned 
off your subscription.
Mine was turned off due to bounces which can automatically happen.
You have to turn it back on to get messages again.
You will need your password for the lists but there is a button or something 
that will send it to you if you forgot it.
This has happened to others, me most recently, so don’t feel ba\d, it is not 
that you are doing anything wrwrong they just don’t have their list set up 
properly 
me thinks.
If you just cant use WindowEyes anymore others have used a screen reader called 
JAWS and some slog through one called NVDA so you wont be left in the dark 
totally.
JAWS has a 45 minut demo mode and costs almost a grand, NVDA is free I think.
I don’t know what is going on with WindowEyes, my philosophy is your fault, my 
fault nobodys fault just make it work properly.
Windows10 is a beast but the guys at AISquared are paid to handle the beast so 
hopefully they will get it all under control even if it is Windows10, the WE 
old school design or even our individual computer settings.
Rick USA

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 9:52 PM
To: Tony C <tch...@mediacombb.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Did the list die?

No, the list didn't die.  But I don't know if you are getting this.  I did 
not give up on window eyes.  I can't.  I don't know what I would do.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 7:51 PM
To: window-eyes
Subject: Did the list die?

Hi, I know a few people have told me that they are about to give up on WE, 
but did everyone?? I’ve been having to use other screen reader for stuff 
because WE is getting to be really frustrating. But Damn
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RE: Did the list die?

2016-02-14 Thread Rick Thomas via Talk 
Hi Nick: That is true indeed.
There are some Internet and other things WindowEyes handles better than the 
other readers, not many but some.
The point for me is that no matter who is creating software it should flat out 
work properly or it is not ready for prime time production.
With a screen reader that is almost impossible since they have to deal with 
other peoples work, people who create the programs the screen reader is trying 
to read and navigate.
This, however, is no excuse but a valid reason for some problems that a screen 
reader with a limited staff just wont be able to address for every individual 
client and every individual third party program.
That is why management is so important, that is it has to Organize, prioritize  
and Implement those features deemed most important to their clients.
For a screen reader company I would guess it is to get every window in the 
Windows Operating System working very, very well, then the Internet and then 
other third party applications like Office and only then develop for other 
third party applications.
I would stress the entire Microsoft Platform, all programs Microsoft puts out 
as my first priority with an eye twoard a few other very popular programs but 
then I am not the top dog anyplace nor would I want to be - allot of stress 
indeed.
But there is money in making professional tools and popular programs accessible 
and before you ever touch a keyboard as a developer you do a cost / benefit 
analysis of the project even if just an informal discussion and Microsoft and a 
few non Microsoft programs are widely used in business, industry and Finance 
and that is where the bulk of my work would be targeted since Government and 
Industry will pay for the screen reader that works the best with packages their 
employees use and greenies are, despite some people, very very important to the 
survival of any company.
No company, no screen reader.
I would also let my client base know what is on the table for review like in an 
agile project management senario so they get an idea of what is high priority 
and what is low priority to have an open discussion of what and why some things 
may, or not, get addressed in the near to intermediate future - at least I 
would try that out to help get more input of real value from my client base if 
I were a small development team with limited resources or I think I would try 
it - perhaps not just never been there done that.
Anyway, you are correct but for the fact that WE does not work flawlesly with 
the Windows10 operating system in my opinion and that in my case would be job1 
with the internet job2 which also seems to need some work.
Rick USA.


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 2:59 AM
To: Tony C <tch...@mediacombb.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Did the list die?

I bet it's a trade off.  The more you use the likes of these other free 
creen readers, I bet you'll find issues you don't have with WE.

On 2/13/2016 7:51 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
> Hi, I know a few people have told me that they are about to give up on WE, 
> but did everyone?? I’ve been having to use other screen reader for stuff 
> because WE is getting to be really frustrating. But Damn
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Did the list die?

2016-02-13 Thread Tony C via Talk 
Hi, I know a few people have told me that they are about to give up on WE, but 
did everyone?? I’ve been having to use other screen reader for stuff because WE 
is getting to be really frustrating. But Damn
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Re: Did the list die?

2016-02-13 Thread Loy via Talk 

Not at all.
"1 John 4:11  Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one 
another."
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Subject: Did the list die?


Hi, I know a few people have told me that they are about to give up on WE, 
but did everyone?? I’ve been having to use other screen reader for stuff 
because WE is getting to be really frustrating. But Damn

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Re: Did the list die?

2016-02-13 Thread Portia Scott via Talk 
Hello,

No, I am still here, and I’m sure some others are, probably.

Portia.
> On Feb 13, 2016, at 4:51 PM, Tony C via Talk  
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> Hi, I know a few people have told me that they are about to give up on WE, 
> but did everyone?? I’ve been having to use other screen reader for stuff 
> because WE is getting to be really frustrating. But Damn
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Re: Did the list die?

2016-02-13 Thread Pamela Dominguez via Talk 
No, the list didn't die.  But I don't know if you are getting this.  I did 
not give up on window eyes.  I can't.  I don't know what I would do.  Pam.


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Subject: Did the list die?

Hi, I know a few people have told me that they are about to give up on WE, 
but did everyone?? I’ve been having to use other screen reader for stuff 
because WE is getting to be really frustrating. But Damn

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Re: Did the list die?

2016-02-13 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk 
I bet it's a trade off.  The more you use the likes of these other free 
creen readers, I bet you'll find issues you don't have with WE.


On 2/13/2016 7:51 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:

Hi, I know a few people have told me that they are about to give up on WE, but 
did everyone?? I’ve been having to use other screen reader for stuff because WE 
is getting to be really frustrating. But Damn
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