Re: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up

[Dave Basden via Talk]

Hi Doug,

Indeed that seems to have solved the problem.  I was almost sure I 
had tried that before, but perhaps I was just lured by the prior 
character after, which is what I had always used before.  Thanks for 
taking me seriously and getting it resolved.


Dave


At 05:26 AM 3/10/2016, you wrote:

Dave,

As per my previous email where I said exactly what I set it to, you want
to set it to "Character Before", not "Prior Character After" as you just
stated you are doing.  This means before handing the right arrow to the
underlying application, first read the current Character.  Then allow
the right arrow to go through to actually move to the character to the
right.  Bottom line, this speaks the character you left, not the
character you are moving to.  So please change the right arrow to
"Character Before" as I believe this will resolve your problem.

I didn't verify but I do seem to remember that Prior character after
isn't fully implemented with some applications.  But that doesn't matter
in your case as Character Before gives you the same thing but works.

Doug

On 3/9/2016 9:12 PM, Dave Basden via Talk wrote:
> I didn't add a new key, I just changed the existing right arrow
> definition  to read prior character after the right arrow command was
> executed.  At least I think that's what I was doing as the labels on
> the various definitions have been changed somewhat.
>
> At 03:47 PM 3/9/2016, you wrote:
>> does it do this with every program you run?
>> i duplicated the problem. but this only applies to the program you
>> are running.
>> go to the cursor/keys to the left arrow. now click on show program.
>> then  go back to the list of keys. if the left arrow key is there and
>> defined undefine it.
>> when i did add the left arrow to the list and set it to character
>> before and saved the set file it did exactly what you get. even
>> though if you go back to the left arrow in the global menu list it
>> will still show it is set to character after. the keys in the program
>> list will over write what it says it is set to in the global menu.
>> but this would only apply to the program you are running.
>> so i would check each program that is affected and check the
>> programmed keys list.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message----- From: via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 2:01 PM
>> To: Chris Grabowski ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up
>>
>> Myh right arrow is set to character after and has been since the
>> invention of mud.
>>
>> Chris Grabowski via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Using Windows 10, Outlook, Word, and Notepad I'm seeing the same
>>> result as Steve.
>>> The right arrow speaks the character I just left.
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>>  On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 2:24 PM
>>> To: 'Dave Basden' <d...@basden.us>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>>> Subject: RE: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up
>>>
>>> Dave,
>>>
>>> I just tried this in NotePad and it worked fine.  The RIGHT ARROW
>>> spoke the
>>> character I just left instead of the character that the cursor was on.
>>> Which application are you using when you try this?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Dave Basden via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 11:36 PM
>>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>>> Subject: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up
>>>
>>> Hi GW Staff and List
>>>
>>> I've been complaining about the definitions for cursor control keys
>>> since WE9.0 came out and they are still not correct.  Up through
>>> Version 8 I could define the right arrow key to read the character
>>> before the character the right arrow moves to.I've tried it with the
>>> various options at the top of the list and I've tried using an
>>> "execute hot key" with the definition to read the character just
>>> left.  It doesn't work.  What's more, once I've done that I can't
>>> return to the default definition.  I had to restore the default and
>>> redefine e

Re: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Dave,

As per my previous email where I said exactly what I set it to, you want 
to set it to "Character Before", not "Prior Character After" as you just 
stated you are doing.  This means before handing the right arrow to the 
underlying application, first read the current Character.  Then allow 
the right arrow to go through to actually move to the character to the 
right.  Bottom line, this speaks the character you left, not the 
character you are moving to.  So please change the right arrow to 
"Character Before" as I believe this will resolve your problem.

I didn't verify but I do seem to remember that Prior character after 
isn't fully implemented with some applications.  But that doesn't matter 
in your case as Character Before gives you the same thing but works.

Doug

On 3/9/2016 9:12 PM, Dave Basden via Talk wrote:
> I didn't add a new key, I just changed the existing right arrow 
> definition  to read prior character after the right arrow command was 
> executed.  At least I think that's what I was doing as the labels on 
> the various definitions have been changed somewhat.
>
> At 03:47 PM 3/9/2016, you wrote:
>> does it do this with every program you run?
>> i duplicated the problem. but this only applies to the program you 
>> are running.
>> go to the cursor/keys to the left arrow. now click on show program. 
>> then  go back to the list of keys. if the left arrow key is there and 
>> defined undefine it.
>> when i did add the left arrow to the list and set it to character 
>> before and saved the set file it did exactly what you get. even 
>> though if you go back to the left arrow in the global menu list it 
>> will still show it is set to character after. the keys in the program 
>> list will over write what it says it is set to in the global menu.
>> but this would only apply to the program you are running.
>> so i would check each program that is affected and check the 
>> programmed keys list.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message----- From: via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 2:01 PM
>> To: Chris Grabowski ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up
>>
>> Myh right arrow is set to character after and has been since the
>> invention of mud.
>>
>> Chris Grabowski via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Using Windows 10, Outlook, Word, and Notepad I'm seeing the same 
>>> result as Steve.
>>> The right arrow speaks the character I just left.
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk 
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>>>  On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 2:24 PM
>>> To: 'Dave Basden' <d...@basden.us>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
>>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>>> Subject: RE: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up
>>>
>>> Dave,
>>>
>>> I just tried this in NotePad and it worked fine.  The RIGHT ARROW 
>>> spoke the
>>> character I just left instead of the character that the cursor was on.
>>> Which application are you using when you try this?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Dave Basden via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 11:36 PM
>>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>>> Subject: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up
>>>
>>> Hi GW Staff and List
>>>
>>> I've been complaining about the definitions for cursor control keys
>>> since WE9.0 came out and they are still not correct.  Up through
>>> Version 8 I could define the right arrow key to read the character
>>> before the character the right arrow moves to.I've tried it with the
>>> various options at the top of the list and I've tried using an
>>> "execute hot key" with the definition to read the character just
>>> left.  It doesn't work.  What's more, once I've done that I can't
>>> return to the default definition.  I had to restore the default and
>>> redefine everything today just to get back to reading the character
>>> landed on when I press right arrow.  I suggest Doug and the other
>>> programmers look at Version 8 and see how it works and then try it
>>> with version 9.
>>>
>>> U

Re: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

I just assigned it here in this Thunderbird composition window and it 
worked fine here, in Notepad, Wordpad, Word, and just for good measure, 
IE, that is when not in browse mode.


Here's what I suggest assuming you want a global assignment.
1. Close all windows until you're sitting on the desktop.
2. Open the Window-Eyes control panel.
3. Control-O and open Default.set.
4. Go to Cursor keys and right arrow to expand it.
5. Arrow down once to Keys and then tab once. make sure it says Global, 
backspace, First action, etc. Global is the key word here.

6. Press the letter R once. This will land you on Right arrow.
You can select either Prior character after or Character before as they 
do the same thing.

7. Control-S to save the set file.
8. Control-O and reload Explorer.set.
9. Ponder whether it is necessary for all instructions to have ten steps.
10. Press Escape to touch back down on planet desktop and celebrate.

Hth,
Tom


On 3/9/2016 9:09 PM, Dave Basden via Talk wrote:

I know it has but I have always redefined the right arrow to read the
character just left.  I got used to that way of doing it back before the
IBM PC came on the scene and I was using an Apple II with a Street
Electronics screenreader that came with the Echo II speech synthesizer.
It has the advantage that you don't have to use one key to get the
character you are on and another key to get successive characters as you
arrow right.  I can live with the right arrow reading the character
landed on, but I shouldn't have to as it wasn't necessary till WE9 came
along.  I have no idea why my installation would be different from three
GW employees.  I have been redefining cursor keys since it became
possible, so it doesn't seem likely I am doing something different.  Of
course it is always possible senility is setting in.  That's an ugly
thought!!!


At 02:01 PM 3/9/2016, you wrote:

Myh right arrow is set to charactger after and has been since the
invention of mud.

Chris Grabowski via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Using Windows 10, Outlook, Word, and Notepad I'm seeing the same
result as Steve.
> The right arrow speaks the character I just left.
> Chris
>
> Chris
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 2:24 PM
> To: 'Dave Basden' <d...@basden.us>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: RE: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up
>
> Dave,
>
> I just tried this in NotePad and it worked fine.  The RIGHT ARROW
spoke the
> character I just left instead of the character that the cursor was on.
> Which application are you using when you try this?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Dave Basden via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 11:36 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up
>
> Hi GW Staff and List
>
> I've been complaining about the definitions for cursor control keys
> since WE9.0 came out and they are still not correct.  Up through
> Version 8 I could define the right arrow key to read the character
> before the character the right arrow moves to.I've tried it with the
> various options at the top of the list and I've tried using an
> "execute hot key" with the definition to read the character just
> left.  It doesn't work.  What's more, once I've done that I can't
> return to the default definition.  I had to restore the default and
> redefine everything today just to get back to reading the character
> landed on when I press right arrow.  I suggest Doug and the other
> programmers look at Version 8 and see how it works and then try it
> with version 9.
>
> Unhappy, but still devoted to Window-Eyes.
>
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Re: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up

[Dave Basden via Talk]

I didn't add a new key, I just changed the existing right arrow 
definition  to read prior character after the right arrow command was 
executed.  At least I think that's what I was doing as the labels on 
the various definitions have been changed somewhat.


At 03:47 PM 3/9/2016, you wrote:

does it do this with every program you run?
i duplicated the problem. but this only applies to the program you 
are running.
go to the cursor/keys to the left arrow. now click on show program. 
then  go back to the list of keys. if the left arrow key is there 
and defined undefine it.
when i did add the left arrow to the list and set it to character 
before and saved the set file it did exactly what you get. even 
though if you go back to the left arrow in the global menu list it 
will still show it is set to character after. the keys in the 
program list will over write what it says it is set to in the global menu.

but this would only apply to the program you are running.
so i would check each program that is affected and check the 
programmed keys list.



-Original Message- From: via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 2:01 PM
To: Chris Grabowski ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up

Myh right arrow is set to character after and has been since the
invention of mud.

Chris Grabowski via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

Using Windows 10, Outlook, Word, and Notepad I'm seeing the same 
result as Steve.

The right arrow speaks the character I just left.
Chris

Chris


-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
 On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 2:24 PM
To: 'Dave Basden' <d...@basden.us>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

Subject: RE: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up

Dave,

I just tried this in NotePad and it worked fine.  The RIGHT ARROW spoke the
character I just left instead of the character that the cursor was on.
Which application are you using when you try this?

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dave Basden via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 11:36 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up

Hi GW Staff and List

I've been complaining about the definitions for cursor control keys
since WE9.0 came out and they are still not correct.  Up through
Version 8 I could define the right arrow key to read the character
before the character the right arrow moves to.I've tried it with the
various options at the top of the list and I've tried using an
"execute hot key" with the definition to read the character just
left.  It doesn't work.  What's more, once I've done that I can't
return to the default definition.  I had to restore the default and
redefine everything today just to get back to reading the character
landed on when I press right arrow.  I suggest Doug and the other
programmers look at Version 8 and see how it works and then try it
with version 9.

Unhappy, but still devoted to Window-Eyes.

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Re: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up

[net bat via Talk]

does it do this with every program you run?
i duplicated the problem. but this only applies to the program you are running.
go to the cursor/keys to the left arrow. now click on show program. then  go 
back to the list of keys. if the left arrow key is there and defined undefine 
it.
when i did add the left arrow to the list and set it to character before and 
saved the set file it did exactly what you get. even though if you go back to 
the left arrow in the global menu list it will still show it is set to 
character after. the keys in the program list will over write what it says it 
is set to in the global menu.

but this would only apply to the program you are running.
so i would check each program that is affected and check the programmed keys 
list.



-Original Message- 
From: via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 2:01 PM
To: Chris Grabowski ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up

Myh right arrow is set to character after and has been since the
invention of mud.

Chris Grabowski via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

Using Windows 10, Outlook, Word, and Notepad I'm seeing the same result as 
Steve.

The right arrow speaks the character I just left.
Chris

Chris


-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 2:24 PM
To: 'Dave Basden' <d...@basden.us>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

Subject: RE: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up

Dave,

I just tried this in NotePad and it worked fine.  The RIGHT ARROW spoke the
character I just left instead of the character that the cursor was on.
Which application are you using when you try this?

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dave Basden via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 11:36 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up

Hi GW Staff and List

I've been complaining about the definitions for cursor control keys
since WE9.0 came out and they are still not correct.  Up through
Version 8 I could define the right arrow key to read the character
before the character the right arrow moves to.I've tried it with the
various options at the top of the list and I've tried using an
"execute hot key" with the definition to read the character just
left.  It doesn't work.  What's more, once I've done that I can't
return to the default definition.  I had to restore the default and
redefine everything today just to get back to reading the character
landed on when I press right arrow.  I suggest Doug and the other
programmers look at Version 8 and see how it works and then try it
with version 9.

Unhappy, but still devoted to Window-Eyes.

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Re: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up

[Dave Basden via Talk]

Hi Doug,

That's three of you who can't find the problem, which makes me think 
it must either be me or my Windows 7 Pro installation.  Two of you 
are using Windows 10, but I wouldn't expect that to make a 
difference.  I also don't understand why, once I have made a change 
in the cursor key definition, I can't get back to the default 
directly.  Could an app be interfering?  Do you have any other ideas 
for what I could be doing wrong or what might be wrong with my installation?


Dave


At 12:30 PM 3/9/2016, you wrote:

Dave,

I am also not having a problem.  Setting the right arrow to "character
before" causes it to speak the character left instead of the character
going to.  Also, I went back in and had no problem changing my right
arrow back to "character after" which is our default.  Meaning I did not
have to reload the factory sets.  So Dave, I didn't have to go back to
8, my 9.4 works fine (smile). Either I'm not understanding the problem,
or steps are being left out or maybe you are not setting up the keys
properly.

Regards,
Doug

On 3/9/2016 3:10 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:
> Using Windows 10, Outlook, Word, and Notepad I'm seeing the same 
result as Steve.

> The right arrow speaks the character I just left.
> Chris
>
> Chris
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
  On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk

> Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 2:24 PM
> To: 'Dave Basden' <d...@basden.us>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

> Subject: RE: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up
>
> Dave,
>
> I just tried this in NotePad and it worked fine.  The RIGHT ARROW spoke the
> character I just left instead of the character that the cursor was on.
> Which application are you using when you try this?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Dave Basden via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 11:36 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up
>
> Hi GW Staff and List
>
> I've been complaining about the definitions for cursor control keys
> since WE9.0 came out and they are still not correct.  Up through
> Version 8 I could define the right arrow key to read the character
> before the character the right arrow moves to.I've tried it with the
> various options at the top of the list and I've tried using an
> "execute hot key" with the definition to read the character just
> left.  It doesn't work.  What's more, once I've done that I can't
> return to the default definition.  I had to restore the default and
> redefine everything today just to get back to reading the character
> landed on when I press right arrow.  I suggest Doug and the other
> programmers look at Version 8 and see how it works and then try it
> with version 9.
>
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>
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Re: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up

[Dave Basden via Talk]

Why would setting the right arrow to character after cause We to read 
the character just left when a right arrow is pressed?


Dave


At 12:20 PM 3/9/2016, you wrote:

open the w e control panel and go to cursors
then keys and make sure both the left and right arrow are set to 
character after.


-Original Message- From: Chris Grabowski via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 12:10 PM
To: Steve Jacobson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up

Using Windows 10, Outlook, Word, and Notepad I'm seeing the same 
result as Steve.

The right arrow speaks the character I just left.
Chris

Chris


-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 2:24 PM
To: 'Dave Basden' <d...@basden.us>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

Subject: RE: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up

Dave,

I just tried this in NotePad and it worked fine.  The RIGHT ARROW spoke the
character I just left instead of the character that the cursor was on.
Which application are you using when you try this?

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk
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Behalf Of Dave Basden via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 11:36 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up

Hi GW Staff and List

I've been complaining about the definitions for cursor control keys
since WE9.0 came out and they are still not correct.  Up through
Version 8 I could define the right arrow key to read the character
before the character the right arrow moves to.I've tried it with the
various options at the top of the list and I've tried using an
"execute hot key" with the definition to read the character just
left.  It doesn't work.  What's more, once I've done that I can't
return to the default definition.  I had to restore the default and
redefine everything today just to get back to reading the character
landed on when I press right arrow.  I suggest Doug and the other
programmers look at Version 8 and see how it works and then try it
with version 9.

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RE: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up

[Dave Basden via Talk]

Hi Chris,

I can't imagine it's different for a Windows 7 Pro installation, so 
tell me how you defined the right arrow key in the cursor keys list.


Dave


At 12:10 PM 3/9/2016, you wrote:
Using Windows 10, Outlook, Word, and Notepad I'm seeing the same 
result as Steve.

The right arrow speaks the character I just left.
Chris

Chris


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Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 2:24 PM
To: 'Dave Basden' <d...@basden.us>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

Subject: RE: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up

Dave,

I just tried this in NotePad and it worked fine.  The RIGHT ARROW spoke the
character I just left instead of the character that the cursor was on.
Which application are you using when you try this?

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Behalf Of Dave Basden via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 11:36 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up

Hi GW Staff and List

I've been complaining about the definitions for cursor control keys
since WE9.0 came out and they are still not correct.  Up through
Version 8 I could define the right arrow key to read the character
before the character the right arrow moves to.I've tried it with the
various options at the top of the list and I've tried using an
"execute hot key" with the definition to read the character just
left.  It doesn't work.  What's more, once I've done that I can't
return to the default definition.  I had to restore the default and
redefine everything today just to get back to reading the character
landed on when I press right arrow.  I suggest Doug and the other
programmers look at Version 8 and see how it works and then try it
with version 9.

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Re: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up

[via Talk]

Myh right arrow is set to charactger after and has been since the
invention of mud.

Chris Grabowski via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Using Windows 10, Outlook, Word, and Notepad I'm seeing the same result as 
> Steve.
> The right arrow speaks the character I just left.
> Chris
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 2:24 PM
> To: 'Dave Basden' <d...@basden.us>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: RE: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up
> 
> Dave,
> 
> I just tried this in NotePad and it worked fine.  The RIGHT ARROW spoke the
> character I just left instead of the character that the cursor was on.
> Which application are you using when you try this?  
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Steve Jacobson
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Dave Basden via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 11:36 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up
> 
> Hi GW Staff and List  
> 
> I've been complaining about the definitions for cursor control keys 
> since WE9.0 came out and they are still not correct.  Up through 
> Version 8 I could define the right arrow key to read the character 
> before the character the right arrow moves to.I've tried it with the 
> various options at the top of the list and I've tried using an 
> "execute hot key" with the definition to read the character just 
> left.  It doesn't work.  What's more, once I've done that I can't 
> return to the default definition.  I had to restore the default and 
> redefine everything today just to get back to reading the character 
> landed on when I press right arrow.  I suggest Doug and the other 
> programmers look at Version 8 and see how it works and then try it 
> with version 9.
> 
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Re: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Dave,

I am also not having a problem.  Setting the right arrow to "character 
before" causes it to speak the character left instead of the character 
going to.  Also, I went back in and had no problem changing my right 
arrow back to "character after" which is our default.  Meaning I did not 
have to reload the factory sets.  So Dave, I didn't have to go back to 
8, my 9.4 works fine (smile). Either I'm not understanding the problem, 
or steps are being left out or maybe you are not setting up the keys 
properly.

Regards,
Doug

On 3/9/2016 3:10 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:
> Using Windows 10, Outlook, Word, and Notepad I'm seeing the same result as 
> Steve.
> The right arrow speaks the character I just left.
> Chris
>
> Chris
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 2:24 PM
> To: 'Dave Basden' <d...@basden.us>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: RE: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up
>
> Dave,
>
> I just tried this in NotePad and it worked fine.  The RIGHT ARROW spoke the
> character I just left instead of the character that the cursor was on.
> Which application are you using when you try this?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Dave Basden via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 11:36 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up
>
> Hi GW Staff and List  
>
> I've been complaining about the definitions for cursor control keys
> since WE9.0 came out and they are still not correct.  Up through
> Version 8 I could define the right arrow key to read the character
> before the character the right arrow moves to.I've tried it with the
> various options at the top of the list and I've tried using an
> "execute hot key" with the definition to read the character just
> left.  It doesn't work.  What's more, once I've done that I can't
> return to the default definition.  I had to restore the default and
> redefine everything today just to get back to reading the character
> landed on when I press right arrow.  I suggest Doug and the other
> programmers look at Version 8 and see how it works and then try it
> with version 9.
>
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Re: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up

[net bat via Talk]

open the w e control panel and go to cursors
then keys and make sure both the left and right arrow are set to character 
after.


-Original Message- 
From: Chris Grabowski via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 12:10 PM
To: Steve Jacobson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up

Using Windows 10, Outlook, Word, and Notepad I'm seeing the same result as 
Steve.

The right arrow speaks the character I just left.
Chris

Chris


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 2:24 PM
To: 'Dave Basden' <d...@basden.us>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

Subject: RE: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up

Dave,

I just tried this in NotePad and it worked fine.  The RIGHT ARROW spoke the
character I just left instead of the character that the cursor was on.
Which application are you using when you try this?

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk
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Behalf Of Dave Basden via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 11:36 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up

Hi GW Staff and List

I've been complaining about the definitions for cursor control keys
since WE9.0 came out and they are still not correct.  Up through
Version 8 I could define the right arrow key to read the character
before the character the right arrow moves to.I've tried it with the
various options at the top of the list and I've tried using an
"execute hot key" with the definition to read the character just
left.  It doesn't work.  What's more, once I've done that I can't
return to the default definition.  I had to restore the default and
redefine everything today just to get back to reading the character
landed on when I press right arrow.  I suggest Doug and the other
programmers look at Version 8 and see how it works and then try it
with version 9.

Unhappy, but still devoted to Window-Eyes.

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RE: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

Using Windows 10, Outlook, Word, and Notepad I'm seeing the same result as 
Steve.
The right arrow speaks the character I just left.
Chris

Chris


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 2:24 PM
To: 'Dave Basden' <d...@basden.us>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up

Dave,

I just tried this in NotePad and it worked fine.  The RIGHT ARROW spoke the
character I just left instead of the character that the cursor was on.
Which application are you using when you try this?  

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dave Basden via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 11:36 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up

Hi GW Staff and List

I've been complaining about the definitions for cursor control keys 
since WE9.0 came out and they are still not correct.  Up through 
Version 8 I could define the right arrow key to read the character 
before the character the right arrow moves to.I've tried it with the 
various options at the top of the list and I've tried using an 
"execute hot key" with the definition to read the character just 
left.  It doesn't work.  What's more, once I've done that I can't 
return to the default definition.  I had to restore the default and 
redefine everything today just to get back to reading the character 
landed on when I press right arrow.  I suggest Doug and the other 
programmers look at Version 8 and see how it works and then try it 
with version 9.

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RE: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up

[Steve Jacobson via Talk]

Dave,

I just tried this in NotePad and it worked fine.  The RIGHT ARROW spoke the
character I just left instead of the character that the cursor was on.
Which application are you using when you try this?  

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dave Basden via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 11:36 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up

Hi GW Staff and List

I've been complaining about the definitions for cursor control keys 
since WE9.0 came out and they are still not correct.  Up through 
Version 8 I could define the right arrow key to read the character 
before the character the right arrow moves to.I've tried it with the 
various options at the top of the list and I've tried using an 
"execute hot key" with the definition to read the character just 
left.  It doesn't work.  What's more, once I've done that I can't 
return to the default definition.  I had to restore the default and 
redefine everything today just to get back to reading the character 
landed on when I press right arrow.  I suggest Doug and the other 
programmers look at Version 8 and see how it works and then try it 
with version 9.

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Re: Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up

[Jonathan C. Cohn via Talk]

Are you trying to do a global change ? Also more specifics on what you tried or 
what you expect would be useful if you want assistance.  


Jonathan Cohn 

> On Mar 9, 2016, at 12:36 AM, Dave Basden via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi GW Staff and List
> 
> I've been complaining about the definitions for cursor control keys since 
> WE9.0 came out and they are still not correct.  Up through Version 8 I could 
> define the right arrow key to read the character before the character the 
> right arrow moves to.I've tried it with the various options at the top of the 
> list and I've tried using an "execute hot key" with the definition to read 
> the character just left.  It doesn't work.  What's more, once I've done that 
> I can't return to the default definition.  I had to restore the default and 
> redefine everything today just to get back to reading the character landed on 
> when I press right arrow.  I suggest Doug and the other programmers look at 
> Version 8 and see how it works and then try it with version 9.
> 
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Key Definitions for Cursor Keys Still Messed Up

[Dave Basden via Talk]

Hi GW Staff and List

I've been complaining about the definitions for cursor control keys 
since WE9.0 came out and they are still not correct.  Up through 
Version 8 I could define the right arrow key to read the character 
before the character the right arrow moves to.I've tried it with the 
various options at the top of the list and I've tried using an 
"execute hot key" with the definition to read the character just 
left.  It doesn't work.  What's more, once I've done that I can't 
return to the default definition.  I had to restore the default and 
redefine everything today just to get back to reading the character 
landed on when I press right arrow.  I suggest Doug and the other 
programmers look at Version 8 and see how it works and then try it 
with version 9.


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