Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2
I have never seen DecTalk 32 sold by itself. I only saw it come in Kurtweil and in window eyes as part of the program. Pam. -Original Message- From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 12:43 AM To: Pamela Dominguez via Talk Cc: Micallef Michael at FITA Subject: RE: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2 -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2
Hi pamela, To say the truth I have the window-eyes with dectalk integrated but the dectalk I can't use it with other screen reader programs such as the NVDA. For me dectalk was one of the best speech synthesizers ever made. -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk Sent: Tuesday, 11 January 2022 12:30 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Pamela Dominguez Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2 CAUTION: This email originated from OUTSIDE the Government Email Infrastructure. DO NOT CLICK LINKS or OPEN attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe. On mine, I hear DecTalk. But it depends. On newer versions, they couldn't get a decTalk license, or something, so people who bought it towards the end of its life got vocalizer. I don't know what that sounds like. But if you had window eyes already and you just went to update it, you could still get DecTalk. Pam. -Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Monday, January 10, 2022 1:47 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Nick Sarames Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2 -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.avg.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7Cmichael.micallef%40gov.mt%7C07c610a4b89d4d765c1e08d9d4f5ae6a%7C34cdd9f55db849bcacba01f65cca680d%7C0%7C0%7C637774974839723823%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000sdata=zC7UU9n%2BjDsUBsIeI8FcjCDwYJhElsDJQH90iMVIutc%3Dreserved=0 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Foptions.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com%2Fmichael.micallef%2540gov.mtdata=04%7C01%7Cmichael.micallef%40gov.mt%7C07c610a4b89d4d765c1e08d9d4f5ae6a%7C34cdd9f55db849bcacba01f65cca680d%7C0%7C0%7C637774974839723823%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000sdata=9r93JPO9%2BnAwYpLMa4I7yLuwIJCr8nHdW66eAXEJjHY%3Dreserved=0. For subscription options, visit https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.comdata=04%7C01%7Cmichael.micallef%40gov.mt%7C07c610a4b89d4d765c1e08d9d4f5ae6a%7C34cdd9f55db849bcacba01f65cca680d%7C0%7C0%7C637774974839723823%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000sdata=uKfrpJY9YOnkr84H9SkDSg4OtlQ%2FHJnTRXtnNRhjGFs%3Dreserved=0 List archives can be found at https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Fprivate.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.comdata=04%7C01%7Cmichael.micallef%40gov.mt%7C07c610a4b89d4d765c1e08d9d4f5ae6a%7C34cdd9f55db849bcacba01f65cca680d%7C0%7C0%7C637774974839723823%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000sdata=m2wQ7ASvWygdWnL%2FryYFSPMGDaoWpDUam8M0K9fhXaY%3Dreserved=0 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2
On mine, I hear DecTalk. But it depends. On newer versions, they couldn't get a decTalk license, or something, so people who bought it towards the end of its life got vocalizer. I don't know what that sounds like. But if you had window eyes already and you just went to update it, you could still get DecTalk. Pam. -Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Monday, January 10, 2022 1:47 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Nick Sarames Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2 -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2
Dear pamela, I'm michael from Malta Europe, Please may I ask you from where I can buy the dectalk access32 software speech synthesizer if it is still available somewhere? thanks -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Monday, 10 January 2022 18:23 To: Pamela Dominguez via Talk Cc: Larry Higgins Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2 CAUTION: This email originated from OUTSIDE the Government Email Infrastructure. DO NOT CLICK LINKS or OPEN attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe. Glad ya like it, and I hope you never lose it. On 1/10/2022 8:35 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote: > That's really weird. DecTalk is so much clearer and louder than > eloquence. It's even better if you have an external one; because when > they made dectalk 32, they apparently lost the original specs, so they > had to cobble it together however they could, so it's not as good as > the external, but it's still better than eloquence. Artic is the > first synthetic speech I had in my first computer, which was one of > those evas things with dos in it. Pam. > > -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2022 1:43 PM > To: Nick Sarames via Talk > Cc: Larry Higgins > Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2 > > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Foptions.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com%2Fmichael.micallef%2540gov.mtdata=04%7C01%7Cmichael.micallef%40gov.mt%7C26c628ab1400405020f308d9d45dfb77%7C34cdd9f55db849bcacba01f65cca680d%7C0%7C0%7C637774323044342418%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000sdata=lej6X8byAXixS22bD8sZFl%2Fwc%2BTm3oniI6pAwuYixqc%3Dreserved=0. For subscription options, visit https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.comdata=04%7C01%7Cmichael.micallef%40gov.mt%7C26c628ab1400405020f308d9d45dfb77%7C34cdd9f55db849bcacba01f65cca680d%7C0%7C0%7C637774323044342418%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000sdata=8WKty4pwf1Yeio1BEmv5GlctuY%2FO%2BVbaoFxTnnAx%2FqY%3Dreserved=0 List archives can be found at https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Fprivate.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.comdata=04%7C01%7Cmichael.micallef%40gov.mt%7C26c628ab1400405020f308d9d45dfb77%7C34cdd9f55db849bcacba01f65cca680d%7C0%7C0%7C637774323044342418%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000sdata=6oTVaH10oOgmMswO07V43XS1%2F17neZ3PZs2q%2FAm%2FyR8%3Dreserved=0 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2
Which voice is the one you might hear on WE startup? It sounds like the synthesizer is speaking English with an accent. On 1/10/2022 12:23 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: Glad ya like it, and I hope you never lose it. On 1/10/2022 8:35 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote: That's really weird. DecTalk is so much clearer and louder than eloquence. It's even better if you have an external one; because when they made dectalk 32, they apparently lost the original specs, so they had to cobble it together however they could, so it's not as good as the external, but it's still better than eloquence. Artic is the first synthetic speech I had in my first computer, which was one of those evas things with dos in it. Pam. -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2022 1:43 PM To: Nick Sarames via Talk Cc: Larry Higgins Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2
Ah yes Rick, what you say is so true. I wish everyone whose found comfort and satisfaction with a particular voice to be able to keep and maintain it. I just wish the people at FS would take seriously this pacing issue. I really can't believe that so many people can be satisfied with such unnatural verbal delivery. I really don't wish to argue about this, because I, at least on this issue, know that my mind can never be changed, not out of stubbornness, but on the knowledge that most people do not speak like JAWS speaks or reads in natural conversation. With that, I will wish everyone a safe and happy day , Larry On 1/10/2022 8:58 AM, Rick Jarvis via Talk wrote: I have had triple talk USB for manyh years, and I use it with wineyes all the time and for my money it pronounces every word correctly, and does well with punctuation. Even though it does not have a human voice it is very easy to understand. I do have deck talk usb too, but I do not like it because it sounds like it has way to much to drink. When I use JAWS I use Kloe for my voice. She seems to be the clearest of all the voices with the exception of David. Either way there are some good synths, and some really poor ones. I guess it comes down to which one a person prefers. Regards Rick On 1/10/2022 8:35 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote: That's really weird. DecTalk is so much clearer and louder than eloquence. It's even better if you have an external one; because when they made dectalk 32, they apparently lost the original specs, so they had to cobble it together however they could, so it's not as good as the external, but it's still better than eloquence. Artic is the first synthetic speech I had in my first computer, which was one of those evas things with dos in it. Pam. -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2022 1:43 PM To: Nick Sarames via Talk Cc: Larry Higgins Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2
Glad ya like it, and I hope you never lose it. On 1/10/2022 8:35 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote: That's really weird. DecTalk is so much clearer and louder than eloquence. It's even better if you have an external one; because when they made dectalk 32, they apparently lost the original specs, so they had to cobble it together however they could, so it's not as good as the external, but it's still better than eloquence. Artic is the first synthetic speech I had in my first computer, which was one of those evas things with dos in it. Pam. -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2022 1:43 PM To: Nick Sarames via Talk Cc: Larry Higgins Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2
I have had triple talk USB for manyh years, and I use it with wineyes all the time and for my money it pronounces every word correctly, and does well with punctuation. Even though it does not have a human voice it is very easy to understand. I do have deck talk usb too, but I do not like it because it sounds like it has way to much to drink. When I use JAWS I use Kloe for my voice. She seems to be the clearest of all the voices with the exception of David. Either way there are some good synths, and some really poor ones. I guess it comes down to which one a person prefers. Regards Rick On 1/10/2022 8:35 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote: That's really weird. DecTalk is so much clearer and louder than eloquence. It's even better if you have an external one; because when they made dectalk 32, they apparently lost the original specs, so they had to cobble it together however they could, so it's not as good as the external, but it's still better than eloquence. Artic is the first synthetic speech I had in my first computer, which was one of those evas things with dos in it. Pam. -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2022 1:43 PM To: Nick Sarames via Talk Cc: Larry Higgins Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2
That's really weird. DecTalk is so much clearer and louder than eloquence. It's even better if you have an external one; because when they made dectalk 32, they apparently lost the original specs, so they had to cobble it together however they could, so it's not as good as the external, but it's still better than eloquence. Artic is the first synthetic speech I had in my first computer, which was one of those evas things with dos in it. Pam. -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2022 1:43 PM To: Nick Sarames via Talk Cc: Larry Higgins Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2 -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2
I remember back over 30 years ago, when I was trying to put my first PC together, I thought I just had to have Dectalk, because that is what I heard when getting introduced to OCR stand alone products, such as Kurzweil and Arkenstone. When listening to the Kurzweil stand alone, the synth was Dectalk, while the Arkenstone was being demonstrated to me using Artic BusinessVision. I really hated that Artic speech, but due to financial constraints ended up with Artic anyway, and I actually learned to like it. Now, I don't know if I could ever return to Artic After all of these years (even if it were at all possible), but one thing for certain, I cannot stand Dectalk. On 1/8/2022 12:04 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: Wow! I really like Eloquence, especially compared to (what is it) deck talk? Whatever the WE default speech synthesizer is. On 1/8/2022 11:57 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote: Browse mode to read emails? I'm not doing it on the web. Oh, the thing I don't like about eloquence, which is what jaws has, is not only that it sounds like it's drunk with a plugged up nose, but that if there is no punctuation mark after a certain amount of time, it starts winding down like its batteries are dying. After all these years, they have never fixed that. Shame on them! Pam. -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 10:15 AM To: Pamela Dominguez via Talk Cc: Larry Higgins Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2
Pam, if you are reading email with Thunderbird, you are definitely using browse mode. As a matter of fact, when I go to reply to a message, I must turn off browse mode before I can begin composing the message. Ah, Ive just gotta mention this little funny. When writing the word "composing," I mistakenly wrote the word "composting." Now what I'm telling you about browse mode isn't compost. Try turning on Browse mode and see if that works. Some times the answers and solutions aren't that simple, but who knows, maybe it will work for you. Now as for Eloquence, I'll have to agree with you about the descending pitch in those circumstances, but that isn't quite the deal breaker that the reading delivery is proving to be. And BTW, this issue is not only evident with Eloquence with JFW, but all other synths included with the program as well. I also don't hear the speech as in any way slurred, but if I did, I would also have a problem with it as well. Of course, most of this that we think we hear is indeed quite subjective, with the possible exception of my particular complaint . Long live Eloquence, with all its faults, Larry On 1/8/2022 10:57 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote: Browse mode to read emails? I'm not doing it on the web. Oh, the thing I don't like about eloquence, which is what jaws has, is not only that it sounds like it's drunk with a plugged up nose, but that if there is no punctuation mark after a certain amount of time, it starts winding down like its batteries are dying. After all these years, they have never fixed that. Shame on them! Pam. -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 10:15 AM To: Pamela Dominguez via Talk Cc: Larry Higgins Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2
Wow! I really like Eloquence, especially compared to (what is it) deck talk? Whatever the WE default speech synthesizer is. On 1/8/2022 11:57 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote: Browse mode to read emails? I'm not doing it on the web. Oh, the thing I don't like about eloquence, which is what jaws has, is not only that it sounds like it's drunk with a plugged up nose, but that if there is no punctuation mark after a certain amount of time, it starts winding down like its batteries are dying. After all these years, they have never fixed that. Shame on them! Pam. -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 10:15 AM To: Pamela Dominguez via Talk Cc: Larry Higgins Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2
Browse mode to read emails? I'm not doing it on the web. Oh, the thing I don't like about eloquence, which is what jaws has, is not only that it sounds like it's drunk with a plugged up nose, but that if there is no punctuation mark after a certain amount of time, it starts winding down like its batteries are dying. After all these years, they have never fixed that. Shame on them! Pam. -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 10:15 AM To: Pamela Dominguez via Talk Cc: Larry Higgins Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2 -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2
I agree Larry, WE has been my favorite screen reader since it came out. I still use it as much as possible. Regards Rick On 1/7/2022 9:15 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: I realize that this might be a long shot, and at the same time, a big duh, but are you sure that browse mode is actually kicking in? Shoot, I guess if this starts happening to me, I would probably be tempted to finally give up on WE altogether. I, like all of us WE die-hards, are still so comfortable with this once great screen reader. I must admit to being a bit timid when it comes to completely submitting to the ways of the shark. The main reason, outside of WE's overall ease of use for sticking with WE has more to do with JAW's read all settings. IMHO, JAWS simply doesn't allow enough of an appropriate pause between the end and beginnings of sentences. It reads in such a way that I simply wouldn't tolerate from a human reader. I mean, if narrators/readers on commercial recordings, or in house so to speak were to read in such a manner, let's just say that they would fail the audition. I say all of this just to say that I am a user of Bookshare, and do quite a bit of reading on my PC, and WE's verbal pacing using Eloquence to me is more human sounding than these more human sounding voices, but only because of the way these people at Vespero (spelling) have chosen to manipulate speech delivery in say all mode. As it stands, when using JAWS, I have to use Code Factory Eloquence, which reads more to my satisfaction, but with another issue. That version of Eloquence simply passes up my favored normal rate of speed of Window-Eyes's 41 to a step or two higher than I' like to read most of the time. I also use IE for DAISY text books, but for little else. WE is just a combination good/bad habit that I know I am ultimately going to have to break, and I'm sure most of you all have come to the same conclusion. There are things that WE will not read that both JAWS and Narrator will, but on rare occasion, WE will still come through, but these are becoming les and less frequent as time goes on. Too bad. Oh well, I've rambled on far longer than I planned too. Don't wish to get into any arguments about all of this. But just suffice it to say, that we sure lost a hell of a great product with a fine company behind it. On 1/7/2022 6:42 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote: I am using windows 7 and I have that problem. I checked to see, in the control pannel, whether the set file for thunderbird was at the top, and it was. But I still can't read the body of a message. Pam. -Original Message- From: Rick Jarvis via Talk Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2022 12:47 PM To: Donald Roberts via Talk Cc: Rick Jarvis Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/r.jarvis53%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2
Try n v d a. I jump back and forrth between windoweyes and n v d a. n v d a has some nice features, and it is free, although I donate a bit when I download a new copy. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Fri, 7 Jan 2022, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: I realize that this might be a long shot, and at the same time, a big duh, but are you sure that browse mode is actually kicking in? Shoot, I guess if this starts happening to me, I would probably be tempted to finally give up on WE altogether. I, like all of us WE die-hards, are still so comfortable with this once great screen reader. I must admit to being a bit timid when it comes to completely submitting to the ways of the shark. The main reason, outside of WE's overall ease of use for sticking with WE has more to do with JAW's read all settings. IMHO, JAWS simply doesn't allow enough of an appropriate pause between the end and beginnings of sentences. It reads in such a way that I simply wouldn't tolerate from a human reader. I mean, if narrators/readers on commercial recordings, or in house so to speak were to read in such a manner, let's just say that they would fail the audition. I say all of this just to say that I am a user of Bookshare, and do quite a bit of reading on my PC, and WE's verbal pacing using Eloquence to me is more human sounding than these more human sounding voices, but only because of the way these people at Vespero (spelling) have chosen to manipulate speech delivery in say all mode. As it stands, when using JAWS, I have to use Code Factory Eloquence, which reads more to my satisfaction, but with another issue. That version of Eloquence simply passes up my favored normal rate of speed of Window-Eyes's 41 to a step or two higher than I' like to read most of the time. I also use IE for DAISY text books, but for little else. WE is just a combination good/bad habit that I know I am ultimately going to have to break, and I'm sure most of you all have come to the same conclusion. There are things that WE will not read that both JAWS and Narrator will, but on rare occasion, WE will still come through, but these are becoming les and less frequent as time goes on. Too bad. Oh well, I've rambled on far longer than I planned too. Don't wish to get into any arguments about all of this. But just suffice it to say, that we sure lost a hell of a great product with a fine company behind it. On 1/7/2022 6:42 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote: I am using windows 7 and I have that problem. I checked to see, in the control pannel, whether the set file for thunderbird was at the top, and it was. But I still can't read the body of a message. Pam. -Original Message- From: Rick Jarvis via Talk Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2022 12:47 PM To: Donald Roberts via Talk Cc: Rick Jarvis Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/butchb%40shellworld.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2
I realize that this might be a long shot, and at the same time, a big duh, but are you sure that browse mode is actually kicking in? Shoot, I guess if this starts happening to me, I would probably be tempted to finally give up on WE altogether. I, like all of us WE die-hards, are still so comfortable with this once great screen reader. I must admit to being a bit timid when it comes to completely submitting to the ways of the shark. The main reason, outside of WE's overall ease of use for sticking with WE has more to do with JAW's read all settings. IMHO, JAWS simply doesn't allow enough of an appropriate pause between the end and beginnings of sentences. It reads in such a way that I simply wouldn't tolerate from a human reader. I mean, if narrators/readers on commercial recordings, or in house so to speak were to read in such a manner, let's just say that they would fail the audition. I say all of this just to say that I am a user of Bookshare, and do quite a bit of reading on my PC, and WE's verbal pacing using Eloquence to me is more human sounding than these more human sounding voices, but only because of the way these people at Vespero (spelling) have chosen to manipulate speech delivery in say all mode. As it stands, when using JAWS, I have to use Code Factory Eloquence, which reads more to my satisfaction, but with another issue. That version of Eloquence simply passes up my favored normal rate of speed of Window-Eyes's 41 to a step or two higher than I' like to read most of the time. I also use IE for DAISY text books, but for little else. WE is just a combination good/bad habit that I know I am ultimately going to have to break, and I'm sure most of you all have come to the same conclusion. There are things that WE will not read that both JAWS and Narrator will, but on rare occasion, WE will still come through, but these are becoming les and less frequent as time goes on. Too bad. Oh well, I've rambled on far longer than I planned too. Don't wish to get into any arguments about all of this. But just suffice it to say, that we sure lost a hell of a great product with a fine company behind it. On 1/7/2022 6:42 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote: I am using windows 7 and I have that problem. I checked to see, in the control pannel, whether the set file for thunderbird was at the top, and it was. But I still can't read the body of a message. Pam. -Original Message- From: Rick Jarvis via Talk Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2022 12:47 PM To: Donald Roberts via Talk Cc: Rick Jarvis Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2
I am using windows 7 and I have that problem. I checked to see, in the control pannel, whether the set file for thunderbird was at the top, and it was. But I still can't read the body of a message. Pam. -Original Message- From: Rick Jarvis via Talk Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2022 12:47 PM To: Donald Roberts via Talk Cc: Rick Jarvis Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2 -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2
Hello I have had the same problem. I haven't upgraded TB but it seemed to started after an upgrade to Windows 10. Mike Mike Gurney On 07/01/2022 01:44, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: Well Bernie, I have a feeling that focus annoyance isn't one of those things that will go away any time soon. I mean, if others find that to be the pain that we do, you think that people would complain in droves, but apparently not. I'm sure glad you got the message body issue worked out though. Hopefully I wont be running into anything as serious as that with the bird round here. Take care and stay safe, Larry On 1/6/2022 5:07 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote: Hi Lary, Yes, I have been having the same issue. It is quite annoying. I am not sure when this behavior began. Also, near the end of last November,TB did an upgrade and suddenly I was not able to get any new messages. I think it might have something to do with changing longin procedures on my two email providers I rolled back my system to the checkpoint that was done at the time of the TB upgrade and voila all was well again except for the focus switching issue. Bernie On 1/6/2022 2:41 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: Rick, I, like you, am not experiencing this issue. The one issue I have had to learn to put up with for the past couple of months or so is that Thunderbird losing focus whenever a new message comes onto the mail account/server I happen to be using at the time. Whenever arrowing through a list of messages, no matter which box I might be in, this happens. It throws me back to the first level of mail boxes, more specifically, my inbox. Are by chance you experiencing this issue, and if so, have you found a way around it? PS It just occurred to me that I might be hijacking a thread. If so, I apologize. I certainly hope you have by now solved the original issue. Just hope I don't confront that one in the future. Larry On 1/6/2022 11:47 AM, Rick Jarvis via Talk wrote: Rick here, and I am not having that problem with wineyes and thunderbird. I don't know what settings I have, but I am able to read everything with no problems. Wish I could help you regards Rick On 10/22/2021 2:07 PM, Donald Roberts via Talk wrote: I am running a recent version of Windows 10 on my Dell desktop. Although I currently use Thunderbird 91.2, this problem began several months ago. Whenever possible, I prefer to use Window-eyes 9.5.4 as my screen reader of choice. When something doesn't work, I switch to Jaws 2021 to see whether things work better. When it comes to email, I can no longer use Window-eyes and must use Jaws. If I try to use W E with Thunderbird, I can no longer read the body of any message. I can read the to, from, and subject fields but not the message body. Although I don't recall the specifics, several months ago, Rud Hutton indicated that there were some Window-eyes apps which nowneeded to be disabled in recent versions of Windows 10. I wonder whether this could be the problem when attempting to read email using Thunderbird. If anyone remembers what I am talking about, I would appreciate knowing which W E apps need to be disabled. I realize this is a long shot, but I would certainly prefer to read email using W E. Thanks in advance for feedback. Don Roberts ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/r.jarvis53%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com . ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bernie.perella%40outlook.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those
Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2
Well Bernie, I have a feeling that focus annoyance isn't one of those things that will go away any time soon. I mean, if others find that to be the pain that we do, you think that people would complain in droves, but apparently not. I'm sure glad you got the message body issue worked out though. Hopefully I wont be running into anything as serious as that with the bird round here. Take care and stay safe, Larry On 1/6/2022 5:07 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote: Hi Lary, Yes, I have been having the same issue. It is quite annoying. I am not sure when this behavior began. Also, near the end of last November,TB did an upgrade and suddenly I was not able to get any new messages. I think it might have something to do with changing longin procedures on my two email providers I rolled back my system to the checkpoint that was done at the time of the TB upgrade and voila all was well again except for the focus switching issue. Bernie On 1/6/2022 2:41 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: Rick, I, like you, am not experiencing this issue. The one issue I have had to learn to put up with for the past couple of months or so is that Thunderbird losing focus whenever a new message comes onto the mail account/server I happen to be using at the time. Whenever arrowing through a list of messages, no matter which box I might be in, this happens. It throws me back to the first level of mail boxes, more specifically, my inbox. Are by chance you experiencing this issue, and if so, have you found a way around it? PS It just occurred to me that I might be hijacking a thread. If so, I apologize. I certainly hope you have by now solved the original issue. Just hope I don't confront that one in the future. Larry On 1/6/2022 11:47 AM, Rick Jarvis via Talk wrote: Rick here, and I am not having that problem with wineyes and thunderbird. I don't know what settings I have, but I am able to read everything with no problems. Wish I could help you regards Rick On 10/22/2021 2:07 PM, Donald Roberts via Talk wrote: I am running a recent version of Windows 10 on my Dell desktop. Although I currently use Thunderbird 91.2, this problem began several months ago. Whenever possible, I prefer to use Window-eyes 9.5.4 as my screen reader of choice. When something doesn't work, I switch to Jaws 2021 to see whether things work better. When it comes to email, I can no longer use Window-eyes and must use Jaws. If I try to use W E with Thunderbird, I can no longer read the body of any message. I can read the to, from, and subject fields but not the message body. Although I don't recall the specifics, several months ago, Rud Hutton indicated that there were some Window-eyes apps which nowneeded to be disabled in recent versions of Windows 10. I wonder whether this could be the problem when attempting to read email using Thunderbird. If anyone remembers what I am talking about, I would appreciate knowing which W E apps need to be disabled. I realize this is a long shot, but I would certainly prefer to read email using W E. Thanks in advance for feedback. Don Roberts ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/r.jarvis53%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com . ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bernie.perella%40outlook.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit
Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2
Hi Lary, Yes, I have been having the same issue. It is quite annoying. I am not sure when this behavior began. Also, near the end of last November,TB did an upgrade and suddenly I was not able to get any new messages. I think it might have something to do with changing longin procedures on my two email providers I rolled back my system to the checkpoint that was done at the time of the TB upgrade and voila all was well again except for the focus switching issue. Bernie On 1/6/2022 2:41 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: Rick, I, like you, am not experiencing this issue. The one issue I have had to learn to put up with for the past couple of months or so is that Thunderbird losing focus whenever a new message comes onto the mail account/server I happen to be using at the time. Whenever arrowing through a list of messages, no matter which box I might be in, this happens. It throws me back to the first level of mail boxes, more specifically, my inbox. Are by chance you experiencing this issue, and if so, have you found a way around it? PS It just occurred to me that I might be hijacking a thread. If so, I apologize. I certainly hope you have by now solved the original issue. Just hope I don't confront that one in the future. Larry On 1/6/2022 11:47 AM, Rick Jarvis via Talk wrote: Rick here, and I am not having that problem with wineyes and thunderbird. I don't know what settings I have, but I am able to read everything with no problems. Wish I could help you regards Rick On 10/22/2021 2:07 PM, Donald Roberts via Talk wrote: I am running a recent version of Windows 10 on my Dell desktop. Although I currently use Thunderbird 91.2, this problem began several months ago. Whenever possible, I prefer to use Window-eyes 9.5.4 as my screen reader of choice. When something doesn't work, I switch to Jaws 2021 to see whether things work better. When it comes to email, I can no longer use Window-eyes and must use Jaws. If I try to use W E with Thunderbird, I can no longer read the body of any message. I can read the to, from, and subject fields but not the message body. Although I don't recall the specifics, several months ago, Rud Hutton indicated that there were some Window-eyes apps which nowneeded to be disabled in recent versions of Windows 10. I wonder whether this could be the problem when attempting to read email using Thunderbird. If anyone remembers what I am talking about, I would appreciate knowing which W E apps need to be disabled. I realize this is a long shot, but I would certainly prefer to read email using W E. Thanks in advance for feedback. Don Roberts ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/r.jarvis53%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com . ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bernie.perella%40outlook.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2
Larry so far I have not encountered that problem. Rick On 1/6/2022 1:41 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: Rick, I, like you, am not experiencing this issue. The one issue I have had to learn to put up with for the past couple of months or so is that Thunderbird losing focus whenever a new message comes onto the mail account/server I happen to be using at the time. Whenever arrowing through a list of messages, no matter which box I might be in, this happens. It throws me back to the first level of mail boxes, more specifically, my inbox. Are by chance you experiencing this issue, and if so, have you found a way around it? PS It just occurred to me that I might be hijacking a thread. If so, I apologize. I certainly hope you have by now solved the original issue. Just hope I don't confront that one in the future. Larry On 1/6/2022 11:47 AM, Rick Jarvis via Talk wrote: Rick here, and I am not having that problem with wineyes and thunderbird. I don't know what settings I have, but I am able to read everything with no problems. Wish I could help you regards Rick On 10/22/2021 2:07 PM, Donald Roberts via Talk wrote: I am running a recent version of Windows 10 on my Dell desktop. Although I currently use Thunderbird 91.2, this problem began several months ago. Whenever possible, I prefer to use Window-eyes 9.5.4 as my screen reader of choice. When something doesn't work, I switch to Jaws 2021 to see whether things work better. When it comes to email, I can no longer use Window-eyes and must use Jaws. If I try to use W E with Thunderbird, I can no longer read the body of any message. I can read the to, from, and subject fields but not the message body. Although I don't recall the specifics, several months ago, Rud Hutton indicated that there were some Window-eyes apps which nowneeded to be disabled in recent versions of Windows 10. I wonder whether this could be the problem when attempting to read email using Thunderbird. If anyone remembers what I am talking about, I would appreciate knowing which W E apps need to be disabled. I realize this is a long shot, but I would certainly prefer to read email using W E. Thanks in advance for feedback. Don Roberts ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/r.jarvis53%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com . ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/r.jarvis53%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2
Rick, I, like you, am not experiencing this issue. The one issue I have had to learn to put up with for the past couple of months or so is that Thunderbird losing focus whenever a new message comes onto the mail account/server I happen to be using at the time. Whenever arrowing through a list of messages, no matter which box I might be in, this happens. It throws me back to the first level of mail boxes, more specifically, my inbox. Are by chance you experiencing this issue, and if so, have you found a way around it? PS It just occurred to me that I might be hijacking a thread. If so, I apologize. I certainly hope you have by now solved the original issue. Just hope I don't confront that one in the future. Larry On 1/6/2022 11:47 AM, Rick Jarvis via Talk wrote: Rick here, and I am not having that problem with wineyes and thunderbird. I don't know what settings I have, but I am able to read everything with no problems. Wish I could help you regards Rick On 10/22/2021 2:07 PM, Donald Roberts via Talk wrote: I am running a recent version of Windows 10 on my Dell desktop. Although I currently use Thunderbird 91.2, this problem began several months ago. Whenever possible, I prefer to use Window-eyes 9.5.4 as my screen reader of choice. When something doesn't work, I switch to Jaws 2021 to see whether things work better. When it comes to email, I can no longer use Window-eyes and must use Jaws. If I try to use W E with Thunderbird, I can no longer read the body of any message. I can read the to, from, and subject fields but not the message body. Although I don't recall the specifics, several months ago, Rud Hutton indicated that there were some Window-eyes apps which nowneeded to be disabled in recent versions of Windows 10. I wonder whether this could be the problem when attempting to read email using Thunderbird. If anyone remembers what I am talking about, I would appreciate knowing which W E apps need to be disabled. I realize this is a long shot, but I would certainly prefer to read email using W E. Thanks in advance for feedback. Don Roberts ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/r.jarvis53%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com . ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2
Rick here, and I am not having that problem with wineyes and thunderbird. I don't know what settings I have, but I am able to read everything with no problems. Wish I could help you regards Rick On 10/22/2021 2:07 PM, Donald Roberts via Talk wrote: I am running a recent version of Windows 10 on my Dell desktop. Although I currently use Thunderbird 91.2, this problem began several months ago. Whenever possible, I prefer to use Window-eyes 9.5.4 as my screen reader of choice. When something doesn't work, I switch to Jaws 2021 to see whether things work better. When it comes to email, I can no longer use Window-eyes and must use Jaws. If I try to use W E with Thunderbird, I can no longer read the body of any message. I can read the to, from, and subject fields but not the message body. Although I don't recall the specifics, several months ago, Rud Hutton indicated that there were some Window-eyes apps which nowneeded to be disabled in recent versions of Windows 10. I wonder whether this could be the problem when attempting to read email using Thunderbird. If anyone remembers what I am talking about, I would appreciate knowing which W E apps need to be disabled. I realize this is a long shot, but I would certainly prefer to read email using W E. Thanks in advance for feedback. Don Roberts ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/r.jarvis53%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com . ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2
Hi Don, Nice to hear from you again. Smile. As far as the list of Window-Eyes apps to disable, it is interesting to note that, actually, on one of my computers, I did not need to disable any apps, whereas, on another, I did. Also, I don’t think the fact that certain apps are running is the cause of your Thunderbird issue. The simple fact is that I was not even able to get Window-Eyes to launch without throwing multiple errors unless the apps I mentioned were disabled. The process of disabling apps couldn’t even be done at all unless I launched Window-Eyes without any apps starting up, and this is done by holding down the Shift key while launching it. I tend to think that the problem you are having is that which Bernie on the list mentioned when responding to Carol‘s post, namely, the Thunderbird set file is not loading and therefore the screen information presented by Thunderbird is not accessible. Bernie’s suggestion of the steps to get the Thunderbird set file to load should work, but, if it doesn’t, then the set file which you would need to load manually is TBEnhanced, as memory serves. Once you load that set file, you would need to press Control-S in order to save the association of this set file with the application window in question; this association would be to the main Thunderbird application window. At any rate, here is the list I had mentioned some time ago: Window eyes apps to disable Eloquence Fix Hotspot JAWS quick key WEDiag Windows Enhanced Good luck, and I hope this helps, Rod Sent from Outlook<https://aka.ms/sdimjr> for iPad OS From: Talk on behalf of Donald Roberts via Talk Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 3:08 PM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Cc: Donald Roberts Subject: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2 I am running a recent version of Windows 10 on my Dell desktop. Although I currently use Thunderbird 91.2, this problem began several months ago. Whenever possible, I prefer to use Window-eyes 9.5.4 as my screen reader of choice. When something doesn't work, I switch to Jaws 2021 to see whether things work better. When it comes to email, I can no longer use Window-eyes and must use Jaws. If I try to use W E with Thunderbird, I can no longer read the body of any message. I can read the to, from, and subject fields but not the message body. Although I don't recall the specifics, several months ago, Rud Hutton indicated that there were some Window-eyes apps which nowneeded to be disabled in recent versions of Windows 10. I wonder whether this could be the problem when attempting to read email using Thunderbird. If anyone remembers what I am talking about, I would appreciate knowing which W E apps need to be disabled. I realize this is a long shot, but I would certainly prefer to read email using W E. Thanks in advance for feedback. Don Roberts ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2
I am running a recent version of Windows 10 on my Dell desktop. Although I currently use Thunderbird 91.2, this problem began several months ago. Whenever possible, I prefer to use Window-eyes 9.5.4 as my screen reader of choice. When something doesn't work, I switch to Jaws 2021 to see whether things work better. When it comes to email, I can no longer use Window-eyes and must use Jaws. If I try to use W E with Thunderbird, I can no longer read the body of any message. I can read the to, from, and subject fields but not the message body. Although I don't recall the specifics, several months ago, Rud Hutton indicated that there were some Window-eyes apps which nowneeded to be disabled in recent versions of Windows 10. I wonder whether this could be the problem when attempting to read email using Thunderbird. If anyone remembers what I am talking about, I would appreciate knowing which W E apps need to be disabled. I realize this is a long shot, but I would certainly prefer to read email using W E. Thanks in advance for feedback. Don Roberts ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
