Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps v.s. OSM routing in Berlin

[Stefan Baebler]

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:43 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
 wrote:
> Why doesn't OSM ever tell me to take a 270 degree turn into oncoming
> traffic on a 6-lane highway and get onto the motorway_link on the
> other side?
>
> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=B2%2FB5%2FHeerstra%C3%9Fe&daddr=A115&geocode=FQQ6IQMdPXrKAA%3BFX38IAMdsmvKAA&hl=en&mra=ls&sll=52.493736,13.266249&sspn=0.002567,0.009645&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=52.502622,13.277648&spn=0.001283,0.004823&z=18
Nice catch!

> http://cloudmade.com/maps?lat=52.505434&lng=13.272686&zoom=15&directions=52.50880994711401,13.27127609253,52.49494458610386,13.267847299575806&travel=car&styleId=1
Try reversing this route it starts with 2 consecutive U-turns in
instructions (on left) in two different intersections while it goes
straight on map.

Stefan

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Re: [OSM-talk] US Chapter Organization

[Sam Vekemans]

Hi, I'm just forwarding this to the local-chapt...@openstreetmap.org mailing
list as well.
As the ideas from the talk-us list are also relevant internationally :)

Sam

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Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans


On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Kate Chapman  wrote:

> Hi All,
> We've been discussing on talk-us potentially forming a U.S. local chapter.
>  A wiki page has been started to organize.
>
> In case you aren't on the talk-us list and would be interested the wiki
> page is here:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States  If
> you would potentially be interested in joining add your name to the list at
> the bottom.
>
> We are currently trying to determine if we have enough interest and make
> decisions such as where to incorporate, since that is done in a particular
> state.
>
> Sorry for the cross-post I wanted to make sure anyone interested was aware.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kate Chapman
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[OSM-talk] US Chapter Organization

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,
We've been discussing on talk-us potentially forming a U.S. local chapter.
 A wiki page has been started to organize.

In case you aren't on the talk-us list and would be interested the wiki page
is here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States  If
you would potentially be interested in joining add your name to the list at
the bottom.

We are currently trying to determine if we have enough interest and make
decisions such as where to incorporate, since that is done in a particular
state.

Sorry for the cross-post I wanted to make sure anyone interested was aware.

Thanks,

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Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps v.s. OSM routing in Berlin

[Stephen Hope]

2009/9/18 Dan Karran :
>
> and 'turn right' to stay on the same road, even though it just
> continues past the junction with a curve to the right.
>

Well yes, but there is a road going straight ahead as well. I've seen
plenty of situations where it is not obvious that the road you are on
is not the one going straight ahead.  If the instructions say "follow
this road" but didn't tell me that the road I'm supposed to be
following turns right at a certain intersection, I would tend to go
straight ahead.  I have in fact done this several times, at different
places.

In this situation, looking at the aerial photography, it would be
obvious which road to take.  But I'd rather it warned me unnecessarily
than not warn me when it was needed.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Train station names: "Place Station" ou just "Place" ?

[Dan Karran]

2009/9/17 Stephen Hope :
> And the difference between them is pretty easily explained.  If you're
> on a train, you know you've just pulled into a station, the only
> question is which one, so the word station is redundant.  If you are
> outside the station, you may not know what the building in front of
> you is, and you are normally going to be in the suburb with the same
> name. Therefore the Waterloo part is fairly redundant, it is the
> station part that is important.

I'd agree, the context is quite important.

> So the question becomes - what do we want to display on the map?
> Which situation is the map reader in?  There is a railway line marked,
> with some sort of station symbol, and a name. Can we assume the word
> station is implied?

Personally I'd label the station node as simply 'Waterloo' as that has
the context of the line, and will likely have a station icon
associated with it on the map, but label the building as 'Waterloo
Station' as that's the name of the building as it'd be identified on
the ground.


Cheers,
Dan

> 2009/9/18 Pieren :
>>
>> Mmm, not sure that's enough because the name may differ between the
>> public entrance (your photo) or the one on the platform itself. If I
>> look this:
>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/London_Waterloo_stn_signage.JPG
>>
>> it should be "name=London Waterloo"...
>>
>> Pieren
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps v.s. OSM routing in Berlin

[Dan Karran]

2009/9/17 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason :
> Why doesn't OSM ever tell me to take a 270 degree turn into oncoming
> traffic on a 6-lane highway and get onto the motorway_link on the
> other side?

It's actually quite disturbing to think that GPS units are going to be
using the same data and presumably giving similar directions in-car.

> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=B2%2FB5%2FHeerstra%C3%9Fe&daddr=A115&geocode=FQQ6IQMdPXrKAA%3BFX38IAMdsmvKAA&hl=en&mra=ls&sll=52.493736,13.266249&sspn=0.002567,0.009645&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=52.502622,13.277648&spn=0.001283,0.004823&z=18
>
> http://cloudmade.com/maps?lat=52.505434&lng=13.272686&zoom=15&directions=52.50880994711401,13.27127609253,52.49494458610386,13.267847299575806&travel=car&styleId=1

I was looking last night at a route on the Isle of Man and found some
inconsistencies around following the same road,

e.g. 'take first right' when really there's a road off to the left and
the road you're on just continues as normal

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Cregneash,+Castletown,+UK&daddr=Ramsey,+Lezayre,+United+Kingdom&hl=en&geocode=%3BFRXkPAMdehC9_w&mra=pe&mrcr=0&sll=52.936326,-2.040032&sspn=7.47315,19.160156&ie=UTF8&ll=54.203247,-4.628962&spn=0.00177,0.004678&t=h&z=18

and 'turn right' to stay on the same road, even though it just
continues past the junction with a curve to the right.

I guess I should check out OSM's routing on similar routes to make
sure it doesn't have similarly confusing pitfalls :)


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Re: [OSM-talk] Train station names: "Place Station" ou just "Place" ?

[Stephen Hope]

And the difference between them is pretty easily explained.  If you're
on a train, you know you've just pulled into a station, the only
question is which one, so the word station is redundant.  If you are
outside the station, you may not know what the building in front of
you is, and you are normally going to be in the suburb with the same
name. Therefore the Waterloo part is fairly redundant, it is the
station part that is important.

So the question becomes - what do we want to display on the map?
Which situation is the map reader in?  There is a railway line marked,
with some sort of station symbol, and a name. Can we assume the word
station is implied?

Stephen


2009/9/18 Pieren :
>
> Mmm, not sure that's enough because the name may differ between the
> public entrance (your photo) or the one on the platform itself. If I
> look this:
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/London_Waterloo_stn_signage.JPG
>
> it should be "name=London Waterloo"...
>
> Pieren
>

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[OSM-talk] Google Maps v.s. OSM routing in Berlin

[Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason]

Why doesn't OSM ever tell me to take a 270 degree turn into oncoming
traffic on a 6-lane highway and get onto the motorway_link on the
other side?

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=B2%2FB5%2FHeerstra%C3%9Fe&daddr=A115&geocode=FQQ6IQMdPXrKAA%3BFX38IAMdsmvKAA&hl=en&mra=ls&sll=52.493736,13.266249&sspn=0.002567,0.009645&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=52.502622,13.277648&spn=0.001283,0.004823&z=18

http://cloudmade.com/maps?lat=52.505434&lng=13.272686&zoom=15&directions=52.50880994711401,13.27127609253,52.49494458610386,13.267847299575806&travel=car&styleId=1

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Re: [OSM-talk] Train station names: "Place Station" ou just "Place"?

[Christopher Woods]

I concur, railway stations most often don't have "Station" after their name
so they should be recorded as-is on the primary signage / on-platform
signage (if people can be bothered to doublecheck the platforms). Using the
National Rail site should be doable to acquire the definitive station names,
right?
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Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin Streetpilot 2720

[Blaž Lorger]

Well, I don't know what kind of interface is used by your device but viewing 
and uploading maps to my GPSMap60 works very well with QLandkarte.

On Wednesday 16 September 2009 21:21:45 Stuckey wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I have a Garmin Streetpilot 2720 that I'd like to use with OSM. In
> trying to copy maps onto it I've followed the Wiki but haven't had
> much luck. I tried sendmap, but it gave me an error about not being
> able to find the GPS device.
> 
> Does anyone know how I can import maps onto this device or where I
> might find useful information regarding the usage of this device under
> Linux?
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Re: [OSM-talk] Train station names: "Place Station" ou just "Place" ?

[Frankie Roberto]

2009/9/17 Pieren 

> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Frankie Roberto
>  wrote:
> > I've been doing some work on the representation of railway stations in
> OSM
> > (along with others on the talk-transit mailing list).
>
> Thank you for your long reply. I didn't subscribe to this particular
> list. I think this is something interresting everyone and not only the
> experts.
>

Oh good. The list isn't just for experts though (whilst there are a few on
there, I'm certainly not one of them) - anyone interested in mapping public
transport infrastructure is welcome to join.


> What I would like to see is a clear statement on the railway station
> wiki page like "the name on the main public entrance" or "the official
> name" or "the name on the platform", "with or without "Station""... At
> least, something that everybody could follow, which makes consistent
> maps and data.
>

"Consistent maps"? on OSM? Never! The inconsistency is surely what we all
love about OSM?! :-)

Good suggestion though. I don't think you can ever have a definitive notion
of what the name=* should be (witness all the problems with streets that
have multiple names), but as guidance, I think something like "Use the
official name, as published on up-to-date timetables, the most recent
(rather than historical) station signs, or on the website of the station
operator" might be helpful.

Incidentally, if you're looking for UK railway stations to map, see
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_railway_stations :-)

Frankie


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Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Footnav - new 3D project aimed at countryside users

[Matt Williams]

2009/9/17 MP :
>> I'm glad to see that this project is moving on and especially that
>>  it's using Qt :) However, I get a compile error with revision 2:
>
> Me too.
>
> In SRTM.h there is:
>
> #include 
>
> But in maths.h I see this instead:
>
> #ifdef __APPLE__
> #include 
> #else
> #include 
> #endif
>
> Quite inconsistent, considering in both cases probably the same header
> should be included :). On my system I have only  but not
> 

I too needed to change it to '#include ' in SRTM.h. I'm on
OpenSUSE 11.1.

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Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Footnav - new 3D project aimed at countryside users

[MP]

> I'm glad to see that this project is moving on and especially that
>  it's using Qt :) However, I get a compile error with revision 2:

Me too.

In SRTM.h there is:

#include 

But in maths.h I see this instead:

#ifdef __APPLE__
#include 
#else
#include 
#endif

Quite inconsistent, considering in both cases probably the same header
should be included :). On my system I have only  but not


Once I fixed that and compiled it, I tried to load N50E014.hgt, but I
am getting "Specified bounds not in height file" ... and every time I
have to enter all five fields in dialog over and over.

And once I manage to get it loaded (after studying source to find out
what should I enter in these boxes) it seems not to work (only black
screen shown)

I guess the program is not yet in a functional state :)

Martin

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Re: [OSM-talk] Train station names: "Place Station" ou just "Place" ?

[Pieren]

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Frankie Roberto
 wrote:
> I've been doing some work on the representation of railway stations in OSM
> (along with others on the talk-transit mailing list).

Thank you for your long reply. I didn't subscribe to this particular
list. I think this is something interresting everyone and not only the
experts.

What I would like to see is a clear statement on the railway station
wiki page like "the name on the main public entrance" or "the official
name" or "the name on the platform", "with or without "Station""... At
least, something that everybody could follow, which makes consistent
maps and data.

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Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

[Ben Laenen]

Andy Allan wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Roy Wallace  wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:42 AM, Valent Turkovic
> >
> >  wrote:
> >> How do you differentiate from path and footpath tag? What is the
> >> difference between them? Can you show me an example?
> >
> > As the wiki says, briefly:
> >
> > highway=path is "a generic path" (i.e. any path)
> > highway=footway (not "footpath") is "a designated footpath; i.e.,
> > mainly/exclusively for pedestrians"
> 
> Oh FFS, who changed the definition of highway=footway again?

Er, no-one? Check the history of 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dfootway

That definition has been on that page since it was created in January 2008 and 
no-one ever changed it.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Train station names: "Place Station" ou just "Place" ?

[Pieren]

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > Looking at this:
> http://synecdoche.liquidflare.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/img_1953s.jpg
> I'd suggest to keep "name=Waterloo Station"
>
> cheers,
> Martin

Mmm, not sure that's enough because the name may differ between the
public entrance (your photo) or the one on the platform itself. If I
look this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/London_Waterloo_stn_signage.JPG

it should be "name=London Waterloo"...

Pieren

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Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Footnav - new 3D project aimed at countryside users

[Nick Whitelegg]

Hello Matt,

>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> A quick update on the Footnav project, which I've hinted at once or 
twice
>> on here. Footnav aims to be a 3D mobile navigation application for
>> countryside users e.g. hikers, off road cyclists, showing OSM data 
(paths,
>> 3D models of stiles, gates etc, and hills using SRTM data).
>>
>> I've now started work on it and it's now on Sourceforge at:
>>
>> http://footnav.sourceforge.net/
>>
>> It doesn't do a lot right now, and is not tested on all platforms, but 
at
>> the moment you can load a SRTM height file, specify the bounds within 
the
>> file you want to load in, and jump to a location (I've used UK grid 
ref,
>> sorry about that but it's easier for me to test with as I know many UK
>> grid refs off by heart). The SRTM is rendered with a wireframe view.
>> There's no optimisation yet so you need a proper 3D graphics card
>> otherwise it will run too slowly.
>>
>> It uses OpenGL and Qt so is cross platform. Eventual target platform 
will
>> be any mobile phone which supports Qt and OpenGL, but that's some way 
off
>> just yet!
>>
>> Anyway thought I'd let people know in case anyone wants to follow the
>> project or work on it.

>I'm glad to see that this project is moving on and especially that
>it's using Qt :) However, I get a compile error with revision 2:

[snip]

Damn those lax compilers! Built on g++ on Mac OS X 10.5 and SuSE 10.3 
successfully.
Thanks for that though - will fix it either last thing tonight or 
tomorrow.

Thanks,
Nick


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Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

[Andy Allan]

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Roy Wallace  wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:42 AM, Valent Turkovic
>  wrote:
>>
>> How do you differentiate from path and footpath tag? What is the
>> difference between them? Can you show me an example?
>
> As the wiki says, briefly:
>
> highway=path is "a generic path" (i.e. any path)
> highway=footway (not "footpath") is "a designated footpath; i.e.,
> mainly/exclusively for pedestrians"

Oh FFS, who changed the definition of highway=footway again?

Cheers,
Andy

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Re: [OSM-talk] Train station names: "Place Station" ou just "Place" ?

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2009/9/17 Pieren :
> Hi list,
>
> What is the actual convention about railway stations names ?
> When I look here:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.50291&lon=-0.11359&zoom=17&layers=B000FTF
>
> the map shows a "Waterloo" and a "Waterloo Station". Excepted the fact
> that the name is duplicated because it is once on the railway and once
> on the building which is something I can understand, do we have to
> write the word "Station" in the name itself or not ? Is it not implied
> by the tag railway=station or building=train_station ?

I'd say: if the name is Waterloo Station, set "name=Waterloo Station",
if it's waterloo, set "name=Waterloo".
Easy like that.

Looking at this:
http://synecdoche.liquidflare.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/img_1953s.jpg
I'd suggest to keep "name=Waterloo Station"

cheers,
Martin

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[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap cheat mug now available

[Courtland Yockey]

In response to the notion that someone could make their own rather than
purchase from kc-shop...

A better solution would be to enter into a re-distribution agreement.  In
other words, become a re-distributer of the product in a geographical area
where shipping costs are not favorable.  It wouldn't be unreasonable for
kc-shop to provide a deal on shipment of bulk quantities to a
re-distributer as part of the parternship agreement.

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Re: [OSM-talk] highway=residential for rural ways?

[Nick Whitelegg]

>How do you then tag roads that are smaller than unclassified, are 
>narrower or have lesser importance?

If they're a residential street, residential.
If they're a service road (drive, road into industrial estate), service.
All other minor roads would be unclassified. These could be country lanes 
linking villages, or dead-end country lanes leading to a farm, country 
park, etc.

I can't think of any examples not covered under this scheme.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Train station names: "Place Station" ou just "Place" ?

[Frankie Roberto]

2009/9/17 Pieren 

What is the actual convention about railway stations names ?
> When I look here:
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.50291&lon=-0.11359&zoom=17&layers=B000FTF
>

Good question, I've been wondering this myself.


> the map shows a "Waterloo" and a "Waterloo Station". Excepted the fact
> that the name is duplicated because it is once on the railway and once
> on the building which is something I can understand,


I've been doing some work on the representation of railway stations in OSM
(along with others on the talk-transit mailing list).

The convention for stations so far is that there's a name attached to the
building AND/OR a node on the way. However, with big stations like Waterloo,
we are starting to map each individual platform, track, footbridge, etc. So
when you have multiple tracks, picking a node on which to place the name and
a railway=station tag is pretty arbitrary, and done mostly to be
backwards-compatible with the existing renderers.

Going forward, there will probably be a node on each of the tracks,
representing the mid-point or average place at which trains stopped (tagged
something like railway=stop). Then each of these 'stop points', plus the
station building, and any related infrastructure, get added to a relation
representing the station as a whole, which is also tagged with the name,
operator, wikipedia page, etc. For Waterloo, this is here:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/238792

However, Waterloo is further complicated by the fact that there's also an
interlinked tube station with the same name (
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/238793) and a bunch of bus
stops near by with the same name (
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/201171).  (There also used to
be Waterloo International, but thankfully that no longer exists, so we don't
have to worry about whether that should be the same as the main station).

At some point we'll probably create a super-relation, which all three of
these relations will belong to, representing something like the concept of
'Waterloo interchange', and mainly useful for routing purposes.

Anyway, if you're interested all this, join the talk-transit mailing list...
:-)


> do we have to
> write the word "Station" in the name itself or not ?


I guess the answer is that it should be whatever the official name is, which
in this case looks like it should be 'London Waterloo' (see
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/stations/WAT/details.html)

However you could argue that 'Waterloo Station', or just 'Waterloo', is what
it's more commonly referred to as (perhaps that should be specified as
loc_name= ?)


> Is it not implied
> by the tag railway=station or building=train_station ?
>

Maybe, but then 'London' is implied from the location too.

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Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Footnav - new 3D project aimed at countryside users

[Matt Williams]

2009/9/17 Nick Whitelegg :
> Hello everyone,
>
> A quick update on the Footnav project, which I've hinted at once or twice
> on here. Footnav aims to be a 3D mobile navigation application for
> countryside users e.g. hikers, off road cyclists, showing OSM data (paths,
> 3D models of stiles, gates etc, and hills using SRTM data).
>
> I've now started work on it and it's now on Sourceforge at:
>
> http://footnav.sourceforge.net/
>
> It doesn't do a lot right now, and is not tested on all platforms, but at
> the moment you can load a SRTM height file, specify the bounds within the
> file you want to load in, and jump to a location (I've used UK grid ref,
> sorry about that but it's easier for me to test with as I know many UK
> grid refs off by heart). The SRTM is rendered with a wireframe view.
> There's no optimisation yet so you need a proper 3D graphics card
> otherwise it will run too slowly.
>
> It uses OpenGL and Qt so is cross platform. Eventual target platform will
> be any mobile phone which supports Qt and OpenGL, but that's some way off
> just yet!
>
> Anyway thought I'd let people know in case anyone wants to follow the
> project or work on it.

I'm glad to see that this project is moving on and especially that
it's using Qt :) However, I get a compile error with revision 2:

g++ -c -m64 -pipe -O2 -fmessage-length=0 -O2 -Wall -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2
-fstack-protector -funwind-tables -fasynchronous-unwind-tables -g
-Wall -W -D_REENTRANT -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_OPENGL_LIB -DQT_GUI_LIB
-DQT_CORE_LIB -DQT_SHARED -I/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/default -I.
-I/usr/include/QtCore -I/usr/include/QtGui -I/usr/include/QtOpenGL
-I/usr/include -I. -I/usr/X11R6/include -I. -o Camera.o Camera.cpp
Camera.cpp: In member function ‘void Camera::print()’:
Camera.cpp:76: error: ‘stderr’ was not declared in this scope
Camera.cpp:76: error: ‘fprintf’ was not declared in this scope
make: *** [Camera.o] Error 1

I believe it just needs a '#include ' at the top of Camera.cpp.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Reconstructing 3-d buildings from photographs

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2009/9/17 Ed Avis :
> This is some interesting work from Microsoft Research, taking photos on
> Flickr and processing them to create three-dimensional models of buildings
> and cities.  

I think this one is based on that as well:
http://livelabs.com/photosynth/

cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Reconstructing 3-d buildings from photographs

[Joseph Reeves]

I work at OA Digital [1] - a colleague of mine is working on very
similar work and we've had some fantastic results so far from our "51
headless 'vikings'" in Weymouth [2] [3]. We should have a pdf out with
all the details very soon - all Open Source Software, of course, some
of it even produced by original members of the team that went on to
become the Microsoft / Washington research body.

I'm told that the software currently in use is David Lowe's SIFT for
extracting features from input images; Bundler and PMVS for camera
calibration and 3D reconstruction; MeshLab for surface reconstruction
and texturing.

If people are interested I'll email again when our documentation is ready.

Cheers, Joseph

[1] http://oadigital.net

[2] 
http://thehumanjourney.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=502&Itemid=40

[3] 
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/07/090728-headless-viking-execution-pit.html




2009/9/17 Ed Avis :
> This is some interesting work from Microsoft Research, taking photos on
> Flickr and processing them to create three-dimensional models of buildings
> and cities.  
>
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[OSM-talk] Train station names: "Place Station" ou just "Place" ?

[Pieren]

Hi list,

What is the actual convention about railway stations names ?
When I look here:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.50291&lon=-0.11359&zoom=17&layers=B000FTF

the map shows a "Waterloo" and a "Waterloo Station". Excepted the fact
that the name is duplicated because it is once on the railway and once
on the building which is something I can understand, do we have to
write the word "Station" in the name itself or not ? Is it not implied
by the tag railway=station or building=train_station ?

Pieren

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Re: [OSM-talk] Reconstructing 3-d buildings from photographs

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> This is some interesting work from Microsoft Research, taking photos on
> Flickr and processing them to create three-dimensional models of buildings
> and cities.  

And again not a line of source code is released; what a fantastic job :)



For some source reference: http://phototour.cs.washington.edu/bundler/

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Re: [OSM-talk] Reconstructing 3-d buildings from photographs

[Matt Williams]

2009/9/17 Ed Avis :
> This is some interesting work from Microsoft Research, taking photos on
> Flickr and processing them to create three-dimensional models of buildings
> and cities.  

As I understand it, the http://www.openstreetphoto.org/ guys are
planning on using the underlying technology behind that demo (called
Bundler) to do 3D reconstructions. I don't believe that any work has
actually been done on it yet though.

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[OSM-talk] Footnav - new 3D project aimed at countryside users

[Nick Whitelegg]

Hello everyone,

A quick update on the Footnav project, which I've hinted at once or twice 
on here. Footnav aims to be a 3D mobile navigation application for 
countryside users e.g. hikers, off road cyclists, showing OSM data (paths, 
3D models of stiles, gates etc, and hills using SRTM data).

I've now started work on it and it's now on Sourceforge at:

http://footnav.sourceforge.net/

It doesn't do a lot right now, and is not tested on all platforms, but at 
the moment you can load a SRTM height file, specify the bounds within the 
file you want to load in, and jump to a location (I've used UK grid ref, 
sorry about that but it's easier for me to test with as I know many UK 
grid refs off by heart). The SRTM is rendered with a wireframe view. 
There's no optimisation yet so you need a proper 3D graphics card 
otherwise it will run too slowly.

It uses OpenGL and Qt so is cross platform. Eventual target platform will 
be any mobile phone which supports Qt and OpenGL, but that's some way off 
just yet!

Anyway thought I'd let people know in case anyone wants to follow the 
project or work on it. 

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[OSM-talk] Reconstructing 3-d buildings from photographs

[Ed Avis]

This is some interesting work from Microsoft Research, taking photos on
Flickr and processing them to create three-dimensional models of buildings
and cities.  

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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap cheat mug now available

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2009/9/17 Frederik Ramm :
> Hi,
> Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>>
>> Don't they have to release it in CC-BY-SA as it is content from the
>> wiki?
>
> Don't know if it is content from the Wiki. Could just as well be content
> from the OSM book ;-)
>
> If you are of the opinion that the design must be released CC-BY-SA then
> write to them. Using the design without their permission just because you
> *think* that the design should be under a different license is probably not
> a good idea. They are nice people and they won't sue you but it isn't right.
>

as I was already pointing out: I'm not interested in copying their
work, I would simply buy a mug from them or make my own design ;-)

cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Evolution of a map

[Eddy Petrișor]

Habib Habib a scris:
> Hi guys,
> 
> Is there a tool which shows the evolution of a region in time (i.e. show
> how the number of ways, points changed and increased in a period of
> time), as an animated slide, or as a series of map tiles each taken at a
> different point in time? Has it been written yet? Thank you

I've done something primitive based on some shell scripting and the
mapnik render; the code isn't published yet, but I can publish it, if
you want.

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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap cheat mug now available

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> Don't they have to release it in CC-BY-SA as it is content from the
> wiki? 

Don't know if it is content from the Wiki. Could just as well be content 
from the OSM book ;-)

If you are of the opinion that the design must be released CC-BY-SA then 
write to them. Using the design without their permission just because 
you *think* that the design should be under a different license is 
probably not a good idea. They are nice people and they won't sue you 
but it isn't right.

Bye
Frederik



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Re: [OSM-talk] VOTING for general highway-definition

[sergio sevillano]

Martin Koppenhoefer escribió:

2009/9/17 Blaž Lorger :
  

Here
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php?title=Highway_key_voting_importance&diff=16&oldid=333013

Appearance of the page was not changed, {{vote|yes}} was changed to  '''Yes'''
and similar change was made for "no" votes.



actually I don't see the difference ;-), we are counting the votes
manually, IMHO it doesn't make any difference, so recasting of those
votes doesn't seem appropriate to me...

What I forgot: please also point the subscribers of the local lists to
this voting (I already announced on German and Italian ML as well).

cheers,
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Doesent the wiki system change {{vote|yes}} to "yes" or "approved" 
automatically?

i would not recast or change votes posted.
The standard way of voting is better, but other format is ok to me as 
long as the vote is clear.
But if someone else changes a vote afterward is more complex to find who 
voted what and when.


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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap cheat mug now available

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2009/9/17 Frederik Ramm :
> Hi,
>
> Valent Turkovic wrote:
>> Could we get this image in original vector format?
>> http://shop.kernelconcepts.de/images/osm-mug-preview.png
>>
>> I would like to make it myself, and skip shipping charges to Croatia,
>> which are probably more than the mug itself.
>
> I have spoken to them and they would really prefer to sell the mugs they
> have had made instead of releasing the mug design for everyone to make
> their own. Which is understandable given the considerable investment
> (these mugs are not print-on-demand inkjet mugs but "real" mass
> production prints).
>
> The say that they can ship small quantities as a registered letter to
> save shipping cost - details now in English on
> http://shop.kernelconcepts.de/shipping.php.
>
> They will consider allowing individual re-prints only on a per-request
> basis i.e. you will have to contact them and tell them what you want to
> do and get their permission for it. They're not totally against it but
> if at all possible they will try to find a way to supply their mugs to
> you rather than have you make your own. Write to
> simon.bu...@kernelconcepts.de (he did the original design) if you have
> such a request.

Don't they have to release it in CC-BY-SA as it is content from the
wiki? (Besides that IMHO the pricing is fair for a good quality
long-lasting product, and I would personally buy from them instead of
making an inferior one myself). They look quite nice, though are
lacking one of the most important features: amenity=drinking_water
(*g)

cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap cheat mug now available

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

Valent Turkovic wrote:
> Could we get this image in original vector format?
> http://shop.kernelconcepts.de/images/osm-mug-preview.png
> 
> I would like to make it myself, and skip shipping charges to Croatia, 
> which are probably more than the mug itself.

I have spoken to them and they would really prefer to sell the mugs they 
have had made instead of releasing the mug design for everyone to make 
their own. Which is understandable given the considerable investment 
(these mugs are not print-on-demand inkjet mugs but "real" mass 
production prints).

The say that they can ship small quantities as a registered letter to 
save shipping cost - details now in English on 
http://shop.kernelconcepts.de/shipping.php.

They will consider allowing individual re-prints only on a per-request 
basis i.e. you will have to contact them and tell them what you want to 
do and get their permission for it. They're not totally against it but 
if at all possible they will try to find a way to supply their mugs to 
you rather than have you make your own. Write to 
simon.bu...@kernelconcepts.de (he did the original design) if you have 
such a request.

Bye
Frederik


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Re: [OSM-talk] VOTING for general highway-definition

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2009/9/17 Blaž Lorger :
> Here
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php?title=Highway_key_voting_importance&diff=16&oldid=333013
>
> Appearance of the page was not changed, {{vote|yes}} was changed to  '''Yes'''
> and similar change was made for "no" votes.

actually I don't see the difference ;-), we are counting the votes
manually, IMHO it doesn't make any difference, so recasting of those
votes doesn't seem appropriate to me...

What I forgot: please also point the subscribers of the local lists to
this voting (I already announced on German and Italian ML as well).

cheers,
Martin

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Re: [OSM-talk] Evolution of a map

[John Smith]

2009/9/17 Eugene Alvin Villar :
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Ed Loach  wrote:
>>
>> Is this the sort of thing you want?
>> http://labs.geofabrik.de/history/
>
> And more generally (with the option to use Mapnik-style rendering):
> http://www.geofabrik.de/gallery/history/index.html

ITO! post country/large regions on flickr:

http://www.flickr.com/groups/itomedia/pool/

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Re: [OSM-talk] Evolution of a map

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Ed Loach  wrote:

> Is this the sort of thing you want?
> http://labs.geofabrik.de/history/
>

And more generally (with the option to use Mapnik-style rendering):
http://www.geofabrik.de/gallery/history/index.html
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Re: [OSM-talk] Evolution of a map

[Ed Loach]

Is this the sort of thing you want?
http://labs.geofabrik.de/history/

Ed



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Re: [OSM-talk] highway=residential for rural ways?

[Mike Harris]

Agree that service roads are not usually public highways - although they may 
have public access (e.g. car parking aisles). Tracks may be public highways - 
e.g. bridleway, restricted byway etc. - but are not usually confused with 
streets.

Mike Harris
 

> -Original Message-
> From: Martin Koppenhoefer [mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: 16 September 2009 21:18
> To: Iván Sánchez Ortega
> Cc: Mike Harris; talk@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] highway=residential for rural ways?
> 
> 2009/9/16 Iván Sánchez Ortega :
> > El Miércoles, 16 de Septiembre de 2009, Mike Harris escribió:
> >> AFAIK there is really nothing smaller than unclassified 
> unless it is
> >> (a) residential
> >> (b) an urban 'living street'
> >> (c) a track
> 
> > You forgot service roads.
> 
> all of them are IMHO classified by usage / legal dedication 
> not physical status (they might even be wider than an 
> unclassified street). Residential are with residences nearby, 
> living_streets are signed as such, service are no public 
> street and tracks neither (the latter are for agricultural / 
> forestal / etc. use).
> 
> cheers,
> Martin
> 
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] highway=residential for rural ways?

[Mike Harris]

Yes - I did! - mea maxima culpa!

Mike Harris
 

> -Original Message-
> From: Iván Sánchez Ortega [mailto:i...@sanchezortega.es] 
> Sent: 16 September 2009 21:09
> To: talk@openstreetmap.org
> Cc: Mike Harris
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] highway=residential for rural ways?
> 
> El Miércoles, 16 de Septiembre de 2009, Mike Harris escribió:
> > AFAIK there is really nothing smaller than unclassified unless it is
> > (a) residential
> > (b) an urban 'living street' 
> > (c) a track
> 
> You forgot service roads.
> 
> 
> --
> --
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> 
> Ruido en la línea cortesía de Telefónica.
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Evolution of a map

[David Paleino]

On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:19:21 +0300, Habib Habib wrote:

> Hi guys,
> 
> Is there a tool which shows the evolution of a region in time (i.e. show how
> the number of ways, points changed and increased in a period of time), as an
> animated slide, or as a series of map tiles each taken at a different point
> in time? Has it been written yet? Thank you

I'd be interested too, since I've been doing this manually (screenshot +
alignment + animation in GIMP) since some time (but I stopped doing it a bit
ago).

David

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[OSM-talk] Evolution of a map

[Habib Habib]

Hi guys,

Is there a tool which shows the evolution of a region in time (i.e. show how
the number of ways, points changed and increased in a period of time), as an
animated slide, or as a series of map tiles each taken at a different point
in time? Has it been written yet? Thank you
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