[OSM-talk-be] interesting map of contributions
Marc, It does not necessarily mean most roads were adde by one person. Several reasons: - the map shows all ways, which includes all land use as well - the map show the latest contributor, which can be different from the person who first added the way That said, in fact a lot of data was put by just a few people. The user you have in mind is probably lodde1949 ,who has added a tremendous amount of information. With ITO maps ( eg http://www.itoworld.com/product/osm/map?colour=tablearea=7083:4sort=total-show=user:48476 ) you can see which user last touched the ways in a given area. In the area Lodde works on, it's hard to find ways he didn't last touch. The ITO map is also pretty cool to quantify how many different people added how much info to the map. In cities, often 20-30% comes from just one person; 80% form less than 10 people. That doesn't mean so few people contributed: people who added info a long time ago are probably gone from these kinds of analysis; some data isn't counted, and the last percentage point of data is probably the most important one to make a good map great. If you want identify single contirbutors contributions, you can also use http://www.yosmhm.neis-one.org to visuelaize the area where they work, and http://hdyc.neis-one.org to quantify that work. Regards, joost schouppe (I hope this mail is sent the right way; it's my first to a mailing list ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] interesting map of contributions
Joost, Thanks for explaining the colorization on the map. Can't open the ITO map, although I have an account there. I knew the two other links. I use them to see my addr:housenumber counter and how crazy/insane I am :-) your mail was done correctly. regards m On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 2:25 PM, joost schouppe joost.schou...@gmail.comwrote: Marc, It does not necessarily mean most roads were adde by one person. Several reasons: - the map shows all ways, which includes all land use as well - the map show the latest contributor, which can be different from the person who first added the way That said, in fact a lot of data was put by just a few people. The user you have in mind is probably lodde1949 ,who has added a tremendous amount of information. With ITO maps ( eg http://www.itoworld.com/product/osm/map?colour=tablearea=7083:4sort=total-show=user:48476 ) you can see which user last touched the ways in a given area. In the area Lodde works on, it's hard to find ways he didn't last touch. The ITO map is also pretty cool to quantify how many different people added how much info to the map. In cities, often 20-30% comes from just one person; 80% form less than 10 people. That doesn't mean so few people contributed: people who added info a long time ago are probably gone from these kinds of analysis; some data isn't counted, and the last percentage point of data is probably the most important one to make a good map great. If you want identify single contirbutors contributions, you can also use http://www.yosmhm.neis-one.org to visuelaize the area where they work, and http://hdyc.neis-one.org to quantify that work. Regards, joost schouppe (I hope this mail is sent the right way; it's my first to a mailing list ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk] osm2pgsql multipolygon parsing
Am 22/set/2013 um 04:14 schrieb Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: It's most likely that these people are not familiar with relations and they see an outer way with no building=yes tag and decided to helpfully tag it. Because of this, a more complicated interpretation of tags, such as Frederik's, leads to less breakage (think rendering) and is more in line with people's expectations. it leads to more broken data in the end, because it will continue to look OK on the map and many mappers are checking this visual feedback in order to judge their mapping. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm2pgsql multipolygon parsing
Am 22.09.2013 04:14, schrieb Eugene Alvin Villar: I agree that this is a good way of tagging multipolygons. Unfortunately, many people don't tag multipolygons in this way. I've seen people add building=yes to an outer way of a building with holes even though there's a multipolygon relation with that tag already. It's most likely that these people are not familiar with relations and they see an outer way with no building=yes tag and decided to helpfully tag it. Because of this, a more complicated interpretation of tags, such as Frederik's, leads to less breakage (think rendering) and is more in line with people's expectations. Because of this I agree with Frederiks approach for any consumer-map to produce. If I would print a map for a customer, I would follow his assumptions most probably, but I disagree for the default style(s) on the osm.org website, as these in fact are driving factors to how people tag. If people tag multipolygons right (tm), this should be honoured by a correct display on the map. If it's wrong they should see that there's an error, therefore IMHO the default stylesheet MUST NOT gracefully forgive these errors as a map more dedicated to end users would probably do. Following these assumptions on the main map which is often used to check the correctness of the own edits means to hide errors and to tell mappers the wrong thing: you have done all right - where that's not the case. regards Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm2pgsql multipolygon parsing
Osm2pgsql is not used for the default map on osm.org. While the current behaviour in osm2pgsql is OK for consumers, could a 'strict' mode to handle mutipolygons be used on osm.org default map ? Of course, it should be accompagnied with a large campaign of multi-polygons fix. Yves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm2pgsql multipolygon parsing
2013/9/22 yvecai yve...@gmail.com Of course, it should be accompagnied with a large campaign of multi-polygons fix. I'd suggest to start modifying the recommendations in the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multipolygon reads: If you have one closed way making up the outer ring and it does not describe something in its own right, you *may* also put these tags on the outer ring and leave the relation untagged. The suggestion is to discourage this in all cases and encourage always tagging the relation (this is also straightforward and much easier as you can do A or B). cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM 2013 videos
We were hoping to get markers/chapters in the video so that you can jump to the right section. Unfortunately this is taking longer than anticipated. I'll follow up with this one and see how its going. Cheers, Rob ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm2pgsql multipolygon parsing
On 22/09/2013 10:03, yvecai wrote: Of course, it should be accompagnied with a large campaign of multi-polygons fix. ... and a patch to any editors that don't create multipolygons in this format. For example, here are three attempts at multipolygons in iD, P2 and JOSM: http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/53.2692/-0.2806layers=D (you may need to turn the data layer on manually to see the them) The left-hand one was me trying to create one in iD (I've not worked out how to do that yet). The middle one is P2, and the right-hand one is JOSM. You'll notice that the right-hand one doesn't render in P2 despite being the arguably the more logically-tagged. I suspect that this is and has been for some time a patches welcome type of situation. Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm2pgsql multipolygon parsing
Am 22.09.2013 11:31, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: 2013/9/22 yvecai yve...@gmail.com Of course, it should be accompagnied with a large campaign of multi-polygons fix. I'd suggest to start modifying the recommendations in the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multipolygon reads: If you have one closed way making up the outer ring and it does not describe something in its own right, you *may* also put these tags on the outer ring and leave the relation untagged. The suggestion is to discourage this in all cases and encourage always tagging the relation (this is also straightforward and much easier as you can do A or B). +1 regards Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] QGIS 2.0 now available
All, For those interested in the world of GIS beyond just OpenStreetMap you may be interested to know that version 2.0 of QGIS (a free open source alternative to ArcGIS) has now been released. My understanding is that the old OpenStreetMap plugin (which broke when we moved to 64bit nodes) has been dropped and replaced with all new OSM functionality. As of yet I haven't tested this, so you may want to have a go and update our wiki as appropriate. Regards, Rob QGIS Developer Mailing List announcement: http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-developer/2013-September/028468.html QGIS Main site: http://qgis.org/en/site/ What's new: http://www.qgis.org/en/docs/user_manual/whats_new/whats_new.html http://www.qgis.org/en/docs/user_manual/preamble/whats_new.html New OSM integration: http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-developer/2013-February/024651.html Our wiki page on QGIS (needs updating): http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/QGIS ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Algorithm re Count of OSM Tiles
All, given a coordinates range and zoom range, is there an available algorithm that will calculate the count of OSM tiles involved? Thanks for any help on this. AS ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Algorithm re Count of OSM Tiles
Hi, Arnie Shore schrieb: All, given a coordinates range and zoom range, is there an available algorithm that will calculate the count of OSM tiles involved? Without rounding and assuming negative values vor lat/lon in case of south/west coordinates and start and end being zoomlevels that are included in the count I think (didn't test it ;)) this should be correct: tilesX = 2^(start-1)*($w-$e)/360 tilesY = 2^(start-1)*($n-$s)/180 tilesX*tilesY * 4^(end-start) Regards, Peda p.s. you should start a new topic for new questions. However, you replied to another topic and just changed the subject. -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Algorithm re Count of OSM Tiles
I think that needs testing. Also, it should be pointed out that it is using an approximation for calculating the tileX and tileY. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 22, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Peter Barth osm-t...@won2.de wrote: Hi, Arnie Shore schrieb: All, given a coordinates range and zoom range, is there an available algorithm that will calculate the count of OSM tiles involved? Without rounding and assuming negative values vor lat/lon in case of south/west coordinates and start and end being zoomlevels that are included in the count I think (didn't test it ;)) this should be correct: tilesX = 2^(start-1)*($w-$e)/360 tilesY = 2^(start-1)*($n-$s)/180 tilesX*tilesY * 4^(end-start) Regards, Peda p.s. you should start a new topic for new questions. However, you replied to another topic and just changed the subject. -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Algorithm re Count of OSM Tiles
just read this ? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Slippy_map_tilenames I think that needs testing. Also, it should be pointed out that it is using an approximation for calculating the tileX and tileY. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 22, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Peter Barth osm-talk at won2.de wrote: Hi, Arnie Shore schrieb: All, given a coordinates range and zoom range, is there an available algorithm that will calculate the count of OSM tiles involved? Without rounding and assuming negative values vor lat/lon in case of south/west coordinates and start and end being zoomlevels that are included in the count I think (didn't test it ;)) this should be correct: tilesX = 2^(start-1)*($w-$e)/360 tilesY = 2^(start-1)*($n-$s)/180 tilesX*tilesY * 4^(end-start) Regards, Peda p.s. you should start a new topic for new questions. However, you replied to another topic and just changed the subject. -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-br] Mapa de Planaltina-DF do TrackSource
Boa noite amigos. Informo que a parte norte da cidade de Planaltina-df foi importada do TrackSource, segundo um colaborador que mapeou e colaborou conosco há um tempo atrás. Ele mesmo identificou sua colaboração nos mapas do OSM. Mesmo problema que tivemos com o mapa de Sobradinho-DF. Abs! Alex Rodrigues Projeto TrackSource ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Comportamento suspeito de Moovit
No site no encontrei atribuio, mas na app para o celular tem no sobre, inclusive, achei a app bem interessante :) Eles no so pequenos, tiveram um tanto bom de investimento e segundo esse vdeo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVvClnmxD2c eles contactaram a prefeitura de Curitiba. Algum contato oficial eles tem, isso bom. J tem algum tempo que eu desconfio que os mapas do Google, Bing, e outros comearam com dados pblicos... seria bem interessante se eles confirmassem alguma fonte pblica, pq na teoria o Brasil tem bastante dados que deveriam ser domnio pblico na minha opinio. O problema que os rgos no deixam claro o que pblico e o que no ... :( Atenciosamente, Roger. -- Gerald Weber escreveu: Pelo que entendi h 2 assuntos distintos aqui. 1) o servio Moovithttp://www.moovitapp.com/fazendo uso dos mapas do OSM sem atribuio, aparentemente inclusive usando o tile server 2) um usurio chamado Moovit Team, provavelmente associado ao servio moovit, fazendo mapeamendo ao redor do mundo, aparentemente pegando coisas do Google acho que os dois caso tem que ser tratados separadamente. 2013/9/22 Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.com Oi Martin, Tente primeiro mandar uma mensagem para o usurio para que ele possa esclarecer a situao. Se ele no responder ou der uma resposta insatisfatria, a gente pode decidir por reverses ou acionar o DWG. Abs Vitor Em 21/09/2013 22:18, "Martin Weilandt" martin...@gmx.net escreveu: Ol, nos ltimos dias fiz duas observaes em relao ao Moovit que acho relevantes para a comunidade: Primeiro (como j mencionei em forum.openstreetmap.org), informei eles ontem que esto usando dados (e tiles) do OSM sem atribuio. Segundo seus termos legais eles pedem os usurios a avisar sobre "copyright infringements", mas no me fao a mnima ideia como uma tal empresa simplesmente podia esquecer este detalhe no seu site: http://www.moovitapp.com/plan-trip/. Mas vamos ver o que eles respondem. Segundo, o usurio "Moovit Team" est fazendo muitas grandes edies (centenas de nomes de ruas pelo Potlatch) nas cidades servidas no Brasil sem dar fonte alguma, por exemplo aqui: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/17864510. Ele usa abreviaes como "R.", "Av." ou at "Sd-pm" literalmente como no Google Maps e tambm coloca nomes erradas exatamente como no site do seu maior concorrente: Piztz em vez de Pitz ou Tzachel em vez de Tzaschel em Itaja (onde os mapas em PDF do IBGE nem tem nomes de rua). Algum por acaso j mandou uma mensagem de bem-vindos para esse novo colega hiperativo? Mas se for necessrio, posso mandar um e-mail educado para ele tambm. Nem sei se usurios daquele aplicativo podem colocar nomes de ruas, mas o mapeamento to sistemtico que valeria a pena perguntar se eles no conhecem alguma fonte que merece ser usada por todo mundo. Martin ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br -- Dr. Gerald Weber gweber...@gmail.com Personal website Departamento de Fsica/Universidade Federal de Minas Gerais Department of Physics/Federal University of Minas Gerais Campus da Pampulha Av. Antnio Carlos, 6627, 31270-901 Belo Horizonte, MG, Brazil mobile: +55-(0)31-96462277 (mudou/changed 02/07/2013) ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-de] Linie und Fläche zugleich
Am 22/set/2013 um 06:14 schrieb Andreas Labres l...@lab.at: Wenn Du dir taginfo anschaust, so gibt es zu barrier=* 71166 mal landuse dazu - das müssten alles Flächen sein und 78294 mal leisure - da vermute ich auch hauptsächlich Flächen dass das häufig so gemacht wird steht ja außer Frage, es ging eher darum wie man es besser machen kann. Ein Way mit barrier=fence kann gem. Wiki sowohl linear sein als auch eine Fläche beschreiben. Mit gesundem Menschenverstand wird einem normalerweise klar sein, dass es keinen zig Meter dicken Zaun geben wird, aber eindeutig wird es so nicht sein. Bei Mauern wird es erst Recht kritisch, Zaun als area halte ich im Prinzip für einen Bug im Wiki... Gruß, Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Linie und Fläche zugleich
On 22.09.13 08:24, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: dass das häufig so gemacht wird steht ja außer Frage, es ging eher darum wie man es besser machen kann. Besser machen kann man es wohl erst mit dem area-Objekt... ;) /al ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Linie und Fläche zugleich
Am 22/set/2013 um 09:23 schrieb Andreas Labres l...@lab.at: Besser machen kann man es wohl erst mit dem area-Objekt... ;) dedizierte Objekte für unterschiedliche Dinge der echten Welt kann und sollte man schon jetzt benutzen Gruß, Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Eisenbahnen in Korea
Liebe Eisenbahner, ich habe umfangreiche Daten zum Bahnnetz in Nord-Korea, Asien und Japan bekommen, mit Stationen und Strecken-Kilometern. Wem kann ich das per PM schicken? Vielleicht ist ja Brauchbares dabei... Mit herzlichem Gruss, Markus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-it] statistiche sull'uso dei editori
Mapbox ha pubblicato delle statistiche sull'uso dei editori, fortunatamente il più grande numero di modifiche viene ancora fatto con JOSM, OpenStreetMap's most popular desktop editor come afferma Mapbox ;-) http://www.mapbox.com/blog/id-increases-participation/ ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Coastline
Ok, grazie, non se ho fatto un piccolo danno o no, su osm sembra tutto uguale a prima... -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Coastline-tp5778319p5778403.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Fattoria, azienda agricola
Salve, in questo caso non dovrei fare danni, ma vorrei sapere come mappare una fattoria, un'azienda agricola. Intendo solo il rettangolo capannoni ecc...non tutto il terreno circostante. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Fattoria-azienda-agricola-tp5778405.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Coastline
2013/9/22 ramon saxe...@libero.it Ok, grazie, non se ho fatto un piccolo danno o no, su osm sembra tutto uguale a prima... se con osm intendi la mappa, allora si, devi aspettare fino alla prossima creazione dei shapefiles che servono per la linea di costa, ma nei dati ci dovrebbe già stare e con OSMI dovresti vedere un errore se hai combinato casini: http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=coastlinelon=-12.0lat=25.0zoom=3overlays=coastline,coastline_error_lines,line_not_a_ring,line_overlap,line_invalid,line_direction,questionable,coastline_error_points,unconnected,intersections,not_a_ring,double_node,tagged_node (però i dati lì vanno recreati una volta al giorno e gli errori segnalati ogni tanto sono già stati corretti nel frattempo, quindi non ogni errore segnalato esiste ancora). ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Fattoria, azienda agricola
2013/9/22 ramon saxe...@libero.it Salve, in questo caso non dovrei fare danni, ma vorrei sapere come mappare una fattoria, un'azienda agricola. Intendo solo il rettangolo capannoni ecc...non tutto il terreno circostante. landuse=farmyard per la fattoria, compresi giardini, esclusi campi. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Fattoria, azienda agricola
Ok, grazie, chiarissimo... -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Fattoria-azienda-agricola-tp5778405p5778410.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Retrizione per camion e autobus.
Dovrei creare in una strada forestale [0] non soggetta alla legge provinciale ma a libero transito, una restrizione di accesso vietato per autocarri e autobus (generale, in quanto non è una tratta per autobus pubblici, ma vale per quelli turistici sicuramente), consolidato da un segnale di divieto presente nella realtà. Quindi taggo con: hgv=no tourist_bus=no Oppure debbo mettere una restrizione anche come relazione? Se sì quale? [0]http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/125102083 -- Simone Girardelli ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Fattoria, azienda agricola
I capannoni si taggano col loro tag building. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Fattoria-azienda-agricola-tp5778405p5778415.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Retrizione per camion e autobus.
Am 22/set/2013 um 12:58 schrieb girarsi_liste liste.gira...@gmail.com: Oppure debbo mettere una restrizione anche come relazione? Se sì quale? non serve una relazione, Sono sufficienti i tags ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Distance table italiana aggiornata
Ciao, ho aggiornato la distance table estratta tramite osrm dai dati di sabato scorso http://sabas.github.io/OSRMdistance/ Qui ho messo dei csv con il confronto con l'altra volta https://github.com/sabas/OSRMdistance/tree/gh-pages/italy/diff Github li apre in tabelle con la ricerca. https://github.com/sabas/OSRMdistance/blob/gh-pages/italy/diff/capoluoghidiff.csv (quello delle province è troppo grande) I grandi cambiamenti su Cagliari sono dovuti all'inserimento delle durate sui traghetti, anche se non è supportato il parsing delle relazioni, quindi da Genova i traghetti non vengono presi (si passa da Civitavecchia). Non so se avevate già visto il grafico fatto da Daniele http://sabas.github.io/OSRMdistance/italy/bardistance.html Ciao, Stefano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Osmose abilitato per l'Italia
Su Liguria: wget http://geodati.fmach.it/gfoss_geodata/osm/output_osm_regioni/liguria.pbf; osmconvert --statistics liguria.pbf /dev/null timestamp min: 2006-08-29T23:16:17Z timestamp max: 2013-05-08T18:39:38Z ciao ... 2013/9/22 Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com: 2013/9/22 bredy bredy...@yahoo.it: Io ti dico che trovo le segnalazioni di errori che ho già corretto almeno due mesi fa. Mi hanno contattato ora Jocelyn e Frédéric (i due sviluppatori principali di Osmose) e mi hanno detto che: quanto segue. -- Forwarded message -- From: Jocelyn Jaubert Date: 2013/9/21 Subject: Old pbf files for Italy [was: Re: Update AUTH FAIL error] To: Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com Cc: Frédéric Rodrigo Le 18/09/2013 23:17, Cristian Consonni a écrit : 2013/9/18 Jocelyn Jaubert: Most of the errors seem to be here: http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/errors/?source=2833item=4090class=1 But it looks strange: it seems the errors were corrected a few months ago. Are you sure that the extracts you are using are recent enough ? AFAIK, the extracts are generated daily. I can ask. I just checked the pbf file from Abruzzo, and it doesn't seem to have any element more recent than may 2013: $ wget http://geodati.fmach.it/gfoss_geodata/osm/output_osm_regioni/abruzzo.pbf $ ./osmconvert/osmconvert --statistics abruzzo.pbf /dev/null timestamp min: 2007-03-28T17:21:42Z timestamp max: 2013-05-08T18:14:25Z Can you use some more recent extracts ? Thanks, Jocelyn --- Mi dicono anche che negli estratti non ci sono le relazioni. HTH, Cristian ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- Linux Infinite Freedom I'm writing from this place: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.39945lon=8.6798zoom=15layers=M ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Casere ruderi
Nelle cartine escursionistiche sono riportate anche le casere che ormai sono ruderi, ed in effetti possono essere utili per l'orientamento, ma come le indichereste? Disegnando la sagoma dell'edificio e attribuendo il tag building=collapsed + name=Casera XXX (rudere) o usando solamente il tag place=locality + name=Casera XXX (rudere) nel primo caso forse si potrebbe omettere rudere visto che il tag dice già che è un rudere. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Casere-ruderi-tp5778441.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Sentiero CAI dismesso
Ci sono parecchi sentieri che il CAI ha dismesso, nel senso che non ne cura più la manutenzione e ad esempio qui in Friuli viene tolto dalla lista dei sentieri il numero. In questo caso il sentiero diventa alpinistico, ovvero uno è libero di percorrerlo ma sa che deve avere una preparazione ed attrezzature adatte a superare passaggi magari non più protetti o franati. Vedo che alcuni li taggano con ref= EX nnn dove nnn è il numero che aveva. Ma non sarebbe più corretto usare il tag old_ref=nnn e magari aggiungere il tag note=dismesso oltre a questo vedo che alcuni usano mettere il tag name con il numero del sentiero, ma questo non mi sembra corretto in quanto quello è il ref. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Sentiero-CAI-dismesso-tp5778442.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Sentiero CAI dismesso
2013/9/22 bredy bredy...@yahoo.it Ci sono parecchi sentieri che il CAI ha dismesso, nel senso che non ne cura più la manutenzione e ad esempio qui in Friuli viene tolto dalla lista dei sentieri il numero. In questo caso il sentiero diventa alpinistico, ovvero uno è libero di percorrerlo ma sa che deve avere una preparazione ed attrezzature adatte a superare passaggi magari non più protetti o franati. Vedo che alcuni li taggano con ref= EX nnn dove nnn è il numero che aveva. Ma non sarebbe più corretto usare il tag old_ref=nnn e magari aggiungere il tag note=dismesso oltre a questo vedo che alcuni usano mettere il tag name con il numero del sentiero, ma questo non mi sembra corretto in quanto quello è il ref. di instinto direi che in questo caso non c'è più una route. Per non cancellare si potrebbe taggare la relazione con type=route route=abandoned:hiking abandoned:ref=123 ecc. abandoned:operator=CAI ... ma non saprei come si potrebbe verificare una route del genere, e come si potrebbe mantenere (metti che scopri che nei dati OSM c'era un errore e risistemi i percorsi, come potresti dire dove una volta passava un sentiero della CAI?) ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Casere ruderi
Il 22/09/2013 18:27, bredy ha scritto: Nelle cartine escursionistiche sono riportate anche le casere che ormai sono ruderi, ed in effetti possono essere utili per l'orientamento, ma come le indichereste? Disegnando la sagoma dell'edificio e attribuendo il tag building=collapsed + name=Casera XXX (rudere) o usando solamente il tag place=locality + name=Casera XXX (rudere) nel primo caso forse si potrebbe omettere rudere visto che il tag dice già che è un rudere. Ci sarebbe anche historic=ruins, ruins=yes[0] e ruin_type=*, pero per quest'ultimo tag non esiste una definizione per il tipo di rovina, che sicuramente era un'abitato, però nella pagina [1] mancano definizioni certe. [0] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ruins [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/ruins -- Simone Girardelli ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Colle montano
No. Ma se guardi una cartina topografica di montagna ne trovi tanti di luoghi con una indicazione di colle. Certo il passo montano ci potrebbe anche stare, ma è più adatto a valichi tra due valli, il colle è un qualcosa di diverso. E la sella è usata a mio avviso e per esperienza personale più fra due vette o comunque un qualcosa di più marcato. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Colle-montano-tp5778318p5778448.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Colle montano
Il 22/09/2013 19:07, bredy ha scritto: No. Ma se guardi una cartina topografica di montagna ne trovi tanti di luoghi con una indicazione di colle. Certo il passo montano ci potrebbe anche stare, ma è più adatto a valichi tra due valli, il colle è un qualcosa di diverso. E la sella è usata a mio avviso e per esperienza personale più fra due vette o comunque un qualcosa di più marcato. Certo, però per la situazione che chiedi, in questo caso, parli di cosa, di una highway che ci passa o di uno spiazzo a meta montagna o cosa, perchè non ci sono molte soluzioni, saddle riguarda il posto ma senza highway, mountain _pass riguarda il passagio di una highway, in questo caso? -- Simone Girardelli ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Sentiero CAI dismesso
i sentieri di cui ti parlo però sono ancora conosciuti e segnalati in varie guide e la gente che li frequenta continua ad attribuirgli lo stesso riferimento. in effetti però la route come relazione andrebbe eliminata, ma lascierei indicata la traccia, come avviene un po' nelle cartine con i sentieri segnati in nero, di fatto per molto tempo sarà ancora possibile trovarne traccia -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Sentiero-CAI-dismesso-tp5778442p5778454.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Sentiero CAI dismesso
i sentieri di cui ti parlo però sono ancora conosciuti e segnalati in varie guide e la gente che li frequenta continua ad attribuirgli lo stesso riferimento. in effetti però la route come relazione andrebbe eliminata, ma lascierei indicata la traccia, come avviene un po' nelle cartine con i sentieri segnati in nero, di fatto per molto tempo sarà ancora possibile trovarne traccia -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Sentiero-CAI-dismesso-tp5778442p5778455.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Casere ruderi
Cosi a pelle però direi che riguarda qualcosa di rilevanza storica, tipo le rovine di palazzi romani, ecc. Una casera abbandonata e perciò col tempo è crollata non la definirei una rovina storica... anche perchè altrimenti collapsed a che serve. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Casere-ruderi-tp5778441p5778457.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Casere ruderi
Il 22/09/2013 19:53, bredy ha scritto: Cosi a pelle però direi che riguarda qualcosa di rilevanza storica, tipo le rovine di palazzi romani, ecc. Una casera abbandonata e perciò col tempo è crollata non la definirei una rovina storica... anche perchè altrimenti collapsed a che serve. Una è il crollo, l'altro è il fatto che quel crollo qualcosa rappresenti, poi, non ho idea se ci sono riferimeni storici, per cui, era un'idea come un'altra. -- Simone Girardelli ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Colle montano
Solitamente sono luoghi senza un sentiero che ci passa che si trovano a metà montagna come dei pianori. In effetti io sottolineo che forse bisognerebbe aggiungere un nuovo tag perchè quelli presenti non sono adatti a rappresentare un luogo come questo. Anche i colli di Roma mica li puoi taggare come mountain_pass o saddle e nemmeno come natural=peak -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Colle-montano-tp5778318p5778459.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Casere ruderi
Mi sembra un tag in via di definizione, adesso vedo che parla anche di building, ma mi lascia un po' perplesso. Non vedo la distinzione netta fra ruins e collapsed. Non legherei mai il termine rovine a qualcosa di non storico. Che infatti era il tag con cui era nato. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Casere-ruderi-tp5778441p5778462.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Sentiero CAI dismesso
Am 22/set/2013 um 19:51 schrieb bredy bredy...@yahoo.it: i sentieri di cui ti parlo però sono ancora conosciuti e segnalati in varie guide e la gente che li frequenta continua ad attribuirgli lo stesso riferimento appunto, abandoned ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Colle montano
Am 22/set/2013 um 19:12 schrieb girarsi_liste liste.gira...@gmail.com: Il 22/09/2013 19:07, bredy ha scritto: No. Ma se guardi una cartina topografica di montagna ne trovi tanti di luoghi con una indicazione di colle. se vuoi mettere qualche indicazione di luogo (nome) e non sai bene il tipo si usa place=locality e name=* (località in italiano? Comunque dovrebbe essere un luogo dove vive nessuno), nella speranza che poi si sistema dopo. Ma sarebbe meglio trovare un tipo più specifico o inventarlo se non c'è ancora... ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Colle montano
Ce dite di place=hill, oppure natural=hill? -- Simone Girardelli ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] statistiche sull'uso dei editori
2013/9/22 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Mapbox ha pubblicato delle statistiche sull'uso dei editori, fortunatamente il più grande numero di modifiche viene ancora fatto con JOSM, OpenStreetMap's most popular desktop editor come afferma Mapbox ;-) http://www.mapbox.com/blog/id-increases-participation/ Visto che il grant di Knight Foundation era specificamente rivolto a creare un editor capace di rendere piu' partecipi gli utenti, è normale che puntino il dito su quello...stanno mostrando a chi ha staccato l'assegno che hanno speso bene i soldi :) -- -S ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Colle montano
Ce dite di place=hill, oppure natural=hill? Non si parla di colline. Il termine colle in ceri casi indica un passo, come gia` detto esplicitamente in lista. Per esempio conosco il colle di san zeno, che e` il passo tra la val camonica (pisogne) e la val trompia (pezzaze) e il colle di san fermo, tra la val camonica (sarnico) e la val cavallina (borgo di terzo). In questi casi passa la strada, ma altri gia` hanno notato che a volte non c'e` strada o sentiero. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Diego Guidotti
Il 16/09/2013 09:05, Volker Schmidt ha scritto: Mario, (1) Durante il mio peregrinare per la penisola, mi sono imbattuto in questo utente ((1) Diego Guidotti) Lo hai contattato direttamente ? no (2) Secondo me avrebbe bisogno di qualche info, vedi --- http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.7907177lon=11.3977795zoom=21 Non trovo niente di strano se fa solo mappatura di base. Sono in tanti che lasciano ad altri di aggiungere i dettagli. Lo strano sono io che non conoscevo questo ramo della mappatura, chiedo venia:-) O ho capito male il tuo messaggio ? Capito benissimo:-) Volker Mario ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Diego Guidotti
Il 16/09/2013 09:32, Diego Guidotti - Aedit s.r.l. ha scritto: Ciao, si sono un vecchio utente (i bei tempi dove mancavano anche le statali) e da sempre sono affezionato a Potlatch (mea culpa). In passato ho fatto parecchio Armchair mapping per colmare i vuoti maggiori, se ho fatto qualche errore segnalamelo direttamente. A presto, Diego Volevo solo segnalare quello che per me era una anomalia. Volker, mi ha spiegato e chiedo venia. Onore e merito a te..old senior mapper:-) :-) :-) ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Osmose abilitato per l'Italia
Il 17/09/2013 22:16, Simone Cortesi ha scritto: 2013/9/16 Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com: Pensavo, può interessarvi avere una pagina web con una tabella che mostra lo stato di ogni analisi e i log? log dettagliato, sempre piaciuto... :) +1 ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-es] Catastro: ¿Chapuza?
Sobre el catastro hay que tener en cuenta que el numero de policia del catastro no concuerda con el número de policia que se utiliza para la dirección postal al depender de dos organismos diferentes. Ya se que deberían ser los mismos pero en mochos casos no lo són. El 17/09/2013 15.12, Óscar Zorrilla Alonso oscar_zorri...@hotmail.com va escriure: Hola Ander; Vuestro programa funciona perfecto, el problema es catastro. - Los archivos he comprobado que son sin histórico, son los correctos. - He comprobado en la web del catastro, que los datos son los mismos - Las entradas a las parcelas están bien situadas. Visto lo visto, entonces igual toca importar sólo edificaciones. Lástima queríamos poder importar las direcciones y números para una mayor precisión... A pesar de vuestro buen trabajo, me ha decepcionado que los datos del catastro no estén bien. Un saludo -- Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:43:42 +0200 From: ander.pij...@deusto.es To: talk-es@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-es] Catastro: ¿Chapuza? Buenas tardes Óscar, En primer lugar viendo las tres poblaciones que habéis puesto, están ya muy muy completas. Se ve que le dais duro a OSM y lo domináis perfectamente =) En cuanto a catastro, un par de detalles para ir descartando posibles fallos y ver si el problema puede ser nuestro o de ellos. -Los archivos que habéis descargado son sin histórico verdad? El nombre de los archivos de geometrías tiene que tener RA. UA en lugar de RH y UH. De no serlo igual podría haber algún problema por el que cogiese direcciones antiguas o algo así. -Habéis podido comprobar en la web de catastro ( https://www1.sedecatastro.gob.es/OVCFrames.aspx?TIPO=CONSULTA ) si metiendo la referencia catastral de alguna de las parcelas que estén mal, os sale la misma información? Si no sale la misma, a lo mejor es problema nuestro y estamos haciendo alguna cosa mal. -Otra cosa que me gustaría consultaros es si las entradas a las parcelas están saliendo mas o menos en su sitio. Ya que para eso si que hemos tenido que ingeniárnosla porque catastro no las tenía puestas en la parcela tal cual. A ver si con un poco de suerte es algún problema de estos con fácil solución. Sino igual únicamente merece la pena que exportéis con el parámetro -constru para tener los edificios con sus alturas y sin direcciones. Saludos y muchas gracias por los comentarios y las ayudas =) El 17 de septiembre de 2013 14:22, Óscar Zorrilla Alonso oscar_zorri...@hotmail.com escribió: Buenos días; Ayer por fin los chicos de @osmburgos probamos a usar Cat2osm2 para empezar a comprobar los datos del catastro en la provincia de Burgos. Antes de nada felicitar a los desarrolladores de Cat2osm2, el programa funciona perfectamente, el problema por tanto no es de ellos. La sorpresa ayer vino con el Catastro, Cat2osm2 como he dicho antes va bien, sin embargo los datos del catastro según fuimos analizándolos en diversas localizaciones de la provincia nos hundieron en la miseria. Me explico, ayer bajamos los datos del catastro de 3 municipios diferentes, que nos conocemos bien: - Burgos - Medina de Pomar [1] - Los Altos [3] Nos repartimos los datos en 2 ordenadores y nos pusimos a comprobar vía JOSM los datos importados del catastro. Al comprobar Medina de Pomar [1] (mi pueblo), ya vi que daba miedo, muchísimas calles con los datos de los portales erróneos, otras tantas con los nombres de las calles incorrectos, no cambiados de orden como en el otro hilo sino nombres diferentes a los reales. En los números de portales por ejemplo el catastro indica el portal 34 cuando es el 18, en los pueblos pequeños [2] la chapuza todavía es mayor, pueden indicar el número 24 cuando realmente es el 3. Tras ver los fallos en diferentes localizaciones de mi pueblo, probé con otro municipio [3] (Los Altos), allí por ejemplo es desesperante, los datos no concuerdan en nada, tan sólo aciertan en la altura de las casas. Tras ver estos datos erróneos en localizaciones que conozco bien, me entra la duda de que hacer. Con estos datos personalmente me niego a importar a OSM datos del Catastro urbano al menos en el norte de la provincia de Burgos porque son una chapuza hablando claro. ¿Cómo sabría que están bien? Se que hay que tratarlos manzana por manzana, pero tal como están ahora exigen patearse la manzana para comprobar los datos, por tanto no arreglamos nada Si los datos oficiales son tan malos como estos, ¿que hacer? Los datos rústicos parecen estar bien, pero no los íbamos a importar. un saludo, Óscar Zorrilla (aka cronoser) [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/42.9332/-3.4874 [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/42.97915/-3.34939 [3] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/42.76911/-3.61770 ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es -- Ander
[Talk-ca] Another sandbox city in Northern Ontario
Looks like another artificial city has been created by a new user. Located at 51.1186, -80.7731 a little south of Moosonee/Moose Factory. John ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Montréal spammer?
Actually it really is. There are a couple more that have opened up in Canada. Cheerio John On 14 September 2013 14:15, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Is this a real business with a sign? http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/2458192649 go ahead and delete if it is just a spammer. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[OSM-talk-fr] Solution pour gérer modification nom localisation?
Bonjour OSM propose-t-il une solution pour appliquer deux noms différents à une même localisation (nœud?) ? Il arrive qu'un endroit – rue, place, etc. – change de nom : si l'on remplace l'un par l'autre, il devient impossible aux utilisateurs de retrouver l'endroit en lisant des documents pré-datant cette modification. Comment faire pour attribuer plusieurs noms à une même localisation et gérer l'évolution historique? Merci. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Solution-pour-gerer-modification-nom-localisation-tp5778391.html Sent from the France mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Solution pour gérer modification nom localisation?
Bonjour, Il y a alt_name pour le cad d'un endroit avec deux noms. Les deux devrait arriver dans les recherches. Dans le cas des changements de noms, il y a old_name, mais je ne sais pas si cela apparait. Ces deux variantes devraient être un bon point de départ sur le wiki si jamais tu rencontre un cas plus compliqué. Le 22 sept. 2013 10:07, Shohreh codecompl...@free.fr a écrit : Bonjour OSM propose-t-il une solution pour appliquer deux noms différents à une même localisation (nœud?) ? Il arrive qu'un endroit – rue, place, etc. – change de nom : si l'on remplace l'un par l'autre, il devient impossible aux utilisateurs de retrouver l'endroit en lisant des documents pré-datant cette modification. Comment faire pour attribuer plusieurs noms à une même localisation et gérer l'évolution historique? Merci. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Solution-pour-gerer-modification-nom-localisation-tp5778391.html Sent from the France mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Solution pour gérer modification nom localisation?
Bonjour, Selon que l'ancien nom soit toujours utilisé ou pas, j'hésiterais entre alt_name et old_name. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name Si le nom change plusieurs fois, je mettrais plusieurs valeurs dans old_name (du genre Riri; Fifi; Loulou) 2013/9/22 Shohreh codecompl...@free.fr Bonjour OSM propose-t-il une solution pour appliquer deux noms différents à une même localisation (nœud?) ? Il arrive qu'un endroit – rue, place, etc. – change de nom : si l'on remplace l'un par l'autre, il devient impossible aux utilisateurs de retrouver l'endroit en lisant des documents pré-datant cette modification. Comment faire pour attribuer plusieurs noms à une même localisation et gérer l'évolution historique? Merci. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Solution-pour-gerer-modification-nom-localisation-tp5778391.html Sent from the France mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Solution pour gérer modification nom localisation?
le tag old_name=* convient pour ça. Le 22 septembre 2013 10:03, Shohreh codecompl...@free.fr a écrit : Bonjour OSM propose-t-il une solution pour appliquer deux noms différents à une même localisation (nœud?) ? Il arrive qu'un endroit – rue, place, etc. – change de nom : si l'on remplace l'un par l'autre, il devient impossible aux utilisateurs de retrouver l'endroit en lisant des documents pré-datant cette modification. Comment faire pour attribuer plusieurs noms à une même localisation et gérer l'évolution historique? Merci. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Solution-pour-gerer-modification-nom-localisation-tp5778391.html Sent from the France mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Solution pour gérer modification nom localisation?
Deux et bien plus ! name alt_name loc_name int_name nat_name old_name official_name short_name sorting_name et leurs déclinaisons par langue... voir: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name Le 22 septembre 2013 10:03, Shohreh codecompl...@free.fr a écrit : Bonjour OSM propose-t-il une solution pour appliquer deux noms différents à une même localisation (nœud?) ? Il arrive qu'un endroit – rue, place, etc. – change de nom : si l'on remplace l'un par l'autre, il devient impossible aux utilisateurs de retrouver l'endroit en lisant des documents pré-datant cette modification. Comment faire pour attribuer plusieurs noms à une même localisation et gérer l'évolution historique? Merci. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Solution-pour-gerer-modification-nom-localisation-tp5778391.html Sent from the France mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France Un nouveau serveur pour OSM... http://donate.osm.org/server2013/ ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Solution pour gérer modification nom localisation?
Merci pour les infos. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Solution-pour-gerer-modification-nom-localisation-tp5778391p5778432.html Sent from the France mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Obtenir la liste des communes de la CUB avec Overpass API ?
Le 19/09/2013 11:17, Ab_fab a écrit : 1. Utiliser la référence de la relation englobant l'intercommunalité dans l'outil de génération de polygones simplifiés de Jocelyn : http://osm102.openstreetmap.fr/~jocelyn/polygons/index.py (l'url polygon.openstreetmap.fr http://polygon.openstreetmap.fr ne fonctionne pas) Il faut utiliser http://polygons.openstreetmap.fr (avec un s) pour accéder à ce site. -- Jocelyn ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Je vois double (ou rendu des terrains de foot sur OSM-FR) :-D
Bon soaâaar,Il y 2… deux…stade municipal à Yverdon;-DLa zone verte claire serait aussi taguée en terrain de sport ?--Yves___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Poster sur sur la contribution à OpenStreetMap
Le 10 septembre 2013 22:08, Emmanuel Marin dechaines...@gmail.com a écrit : Concernant les itinéraires proposés, c'est pas vraiment étonnant que les gens les saisissent sur OSM. Quand j'ai présenté OSM dans une asso [cycliste], tout le monde pensait que c'était pour mettre des projets, ce qu'il serait bien de faire en terme d'aménagements cyclables ou les itinéraires que cette asso recommande à ces adhérents pour se rendre d'un point à un autre dans la ville alors qu'il n'y a aucun jalonnement sur le terrain. L'intérêt de représenter le terrain tel qu'il est n'était pas du tout intuitif pour la grande majorité des présents. Ah bon? Je me contente de représenter uniquement le terrain et il y a déjà suffisamment de quoi faire! Romain ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Outil d'intégration des adresses à nouveau disponible
Bonsoir, Et voila pour Nancy : http://addr.openstreetmap.fr/nancy/ Frédéric. Le 19/09/2013 11:42, Romain MEHUT a écrit : Le 19 septembre 2013 11:19, Frédéric Rodrigo fred.rodr...@gmail.com mailto:fred.rodr...@gmail.com a écrit : Il y surement d’autres villes qui ont mise à disposition leur données adresses depuis. Si vous en connaissait vous pouvez le signaler. Oui j'avais déjà signalé le Grand Nancy: http://opendata.grand-nancy.org Merci pour l'ajout. Romain ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Outil d'intégration des adresses à nouveau disponible
Le 22/09/2013 23:05, Frédéric Rodrigo a écrit : Bonsoir, Et voila pour Nancy : http://addr.openstreetmap.fr/nancy/ Frédéric. Le 19/09/2013 11:42, Romain MEHUT a écrit : Le 19 septembre 2013 11:19, Frédéric Rodrigo fred.rodr...@gmail.com mailto:fred.rodr...@gmail.com a écrit : Il y surement d’autres villes qui ont mise à disposition leur données adresses depuis. Si vous en connaissait vous pouvez le signaler. Oui j'avais déjà signalé le Grand Nancy: http://opendata.grand-nancy.org Il y a aussi l'agglo de Pau http://opendata.agglo-pau.fr/ Ce jeu de données fait il l'affaire ? Tracé des voies de circulation sur la CAPP http://opendata.agglo-pau.fr/index.php/fiche?idQ=1 Librement, -- Christophe Merlet (RedFox) ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Cyclestreets.net pour la France?
Bonjour Le site www.opencyclemap.org n'est apparemment pas disponible en version smartphone (web ou appli dédiée) et est trop lent à utiliser sur téléphone. C'est bien dommage quand on cherche par exemple une boutique vélo pas loin. Le site www.cyclestreets.net répond à ce besoin mais n'est disponible qu'en UK. Quelqu'un sait-il s'il existe une solution similaire pour la France? Merci. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Cyclestreets-net-pour-la-France-tp5778485.html Sent from the France mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-ja] 市の名称: ローマ字
いいだです。 既存のカッコ書きを今すぐ全て消さなければならない理由が私にはよく分りません。 僕も、強い理由はありません。 osm.orgレンダリングを、普段使いの地図にしているかたがいる可能性も感じています。 なので、基本的に、いままででている意見の通り、 ・Wikiの記述と基本ルールを変更する ・気がついた時に気がついたヒトが直すようにする でも良いと思っています。 としさんのまとめでいうと、以下に＋1です。 ・name = 日本語 (英語) のタグ →既にあるものを無理して変更する必要はない． →変更するならば，name は日本語表記として，name:en に英語を書く． 個人的には、カッコ書きを今すぐ全て消すべきである、というわけではなく、 むしろ、編集ルールが決まったからといって強硬に編集が強行される動きがあるのであれば、 それはMass Editにあたるから、ちゃんとMLでの議論を踏んで やり方を考えないといけないよね？という立場です。 ただ、編集や変換の方法の検討は、 はじめておいてもよいんじゃないかな、と思っています。 7万オブジェクトを「いつか終わります」で編集してると、 正直いつまでたっても終りが見えないどころか、 複数の表記が混在して、かえって扱いづらいデータになります。 目立つところだけはある程度ゴソッと変える方法、あるいは、 それなりに個々人が作業して修正が進んだ時に残りを一度に直してしまえる方法を 模索しておいてもいいんじゃないかな、って思います。 # 少なくとも地名は直しちゃいたいなぁ。。。 name:en は流石に英語表記かと思うのですが はい、英語と思います。 どうしても英語にならない固有名詞の時などにはローマ字、という意味なのかな、と思いますが、 それならそのように書いておいたほうが良い気がします。 2013年9月22日 16:40 Toshihisa Tanaka tosih...@netfort.gr.jp: としです． 海外からの旅行者が日本に来た時に少なくともmapnikベースのビューアでも ローマ字読みが読めるのはOSM利用者の移動の大きな手助けになっていると思います。 こういった理由から、私は現在のカッコ書きはビューアが充実できるまでは 残すべきだ（消すべきではない）という意見です。 現在の日本のOSMのname の基本的なルールは name=日本語 (英語 もしくは ローマ字表記) なので，海外の方の利便を考慮して【ローマ字は残すべき】であるとして， 以下の様に別れるかと思っています． ・name = 日本語 (英語) のタグ →既にあるものを無理して変更する必要はない． →変更するならば，name は日本語表記として，name:en に英語を書く． ・name = 日本語 (ローマ字) のタグ →そのまま．残す．目的は海外の方への利便性のため． なお，私個人はローマ字が海外の方にとってどれくらい利便性が良いかは分かりません． ...ところで，今， http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JA:Multilingual_names#.E6.97.A5.E6.9C.AC を改めて読むと， name:en=英語 もしくは ローマ字表記 なのですが，name:en は流石に英語表記かと思うのですが，皆さんいかがでしょう... ではこれにて． ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja -- Satoshi IIDA mail: nyamp...@gmail.com twitter: @nyampire ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja
[Talk-GB] Search for location
I'm buried in other code at the moment so don't have time to dig for an answer, so can someone point me in the right direction to get a 'search result' via the API for looking up a location. I know I can go via the website, but I need to be able to search for http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/515065315 but using the 'McMurdo Station' name. I am expecting that I'll get several results at times, so the node/way number will be used eventually, but initial search to give a list to select from would be helpful. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Duplicate Manchester Metrolink stations
A number of duplicate Metrolink stations were introduced ages ago by a new mapper by mistake. I've (finally) got around to patching them up. See my changesets from: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/17971069 I'm mentioning this here because local mappers may want to check on a number of things: o Tagging on tram stops still being constructed o Start dates o What's currently operational and what isn't. o Spelling of e.g. St. Werburgh's Road. I've just merged the duplicates, which in most cases involved adding operator = Metrolink to the existing tram stop and deleting the duplicate. In some cases, where the duplicates had been added to relations these memberships were also removed. Two duplicate ways and a relation role forawrd_stop (sic) were also deleted / corrected. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-us] Best way to tag a campground/site?
Based on my reading of the OSM wiki pages for tourism=camp_site and tourism=caravan_site, I think the typical USFS and US NPS campgrounds should be tagged tourism=camp_site. On the camp_site page we have A campsite or campground is an area, usually divided into a number of pitches, where people can camp overnight using tents or camper vans or caravans. and later under links tourism=caravan_site for caravan dedicated spaces. Implying that caravan_site is particularly tailored to RVs, more than just a camp_site. And on the caravan_site description, the introductory paragraph includes things like power, water supply, waste hookups, etc. which I don't believe are very common, at least in the western US, for USFS or NPS campgrounds. If you are getting into details, like group camp sites versus non-group sites and the amenities available at each, then you might look at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extend_camp_site#Tagging_of_individual_pitches Slightly extended from that but using the same basic schema it could include equestrian based amenities. -Tod On Sep 22, 2013, at 4:56 PM, Thomas Colson wrote: It has been brought to my attention that our method of tagging campgrounds runs afoul of OSM best practices: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/17949565 Which begs the question: what is the best way to tag a campground that serves multiple groups? Most NPS Front Country campgrounds, and Forest Service as well, provide for “car-camping” as well as RV Sites. Some also include group sites (10 or more people not in an RV). We have been tagging them as such: tourism = camp_site;caravan_site Options include tourism = camp_site comments = also_caravan_site but this will result in a very vocal and vigorous response from the RV crowd as to why we’re not using: tourism = caravan_site comments = also_camp_site Another option is to use two nodes, very near each other, one for each camping “activity”. Most campgrounds are divided into tent sites and RV sites, but in MHO this is not the best way to tag these….? If the intended end result is for consumers of OSM data to be able to “locate” a campground that best serves their needs (I’m sleeping in the backseat of my car or a RV or in a horse trailer), what is the best scenario here, when applied to 350+ NPS parks (We want a consistent tagging)? Just to complicate this, some Front Country campgrounds can also accommodate horses, as well. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Semicolon#When_NOT_to_use_a_semi-colon_value_separator suggest that most consumers of OSM data can’t parse the semi-colon, which I have a hard time believing: any decent renderer using OSM data can use “like” statements. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
