[Talk-dk] IRC

[Lars Gravengaard]

 Hej

De få gange jeg har brugt IRC er det via webbrowseren.

Men der er ingen historie på.

Hvordan gør i andre? har i en PC tændt hele tiden ?

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Re: [Talk-dk] Fællesskabsressourcer i osm-community-index til bl.a. iD-editor

[Lars Gravengaard]

Facebook ≠ Open and free.

Men jeg vil ikke forhindre jer i at starte en gruppe.

Den 18. maj 2018 kl. 22.28 skrev Michael Andersen :

> Der er ikke noget galt i vores postliste her. Jeg har bare stærkt indtryk
> af
> at der er en del potentielle bidragsydere, som vi som fællesskab vil have
> meget større chance for at komme i kontakt med via FB.
> Personligt har jeg det ganske fint med IRC (og bruger det ret ofte),
> selvom jeg
> kan forstå at mange andre ikke har det sådan.
>
> On fredag den 18. maj 2018 20.23.00 CEST Lars Gravengaard wrote:
> > Hej
> >
> > Dårlig ide med  Facebook.
> >
> > Hvad er der galt med listen her ?
> >
> > + hvorfor sprede folk over i nu flere steder ?
> >
> > LarsBG
> >
> > Den 18. maj 2018 kl. 19.11 skrev René Mittå :
> > > Hej
> > >
> > > Tilslutter mig ideen om en Facebook gruppe... da jeg synes at IRC er
> for
> > > bøvlet 
> > >
> > > MittaDK
> > >
> > > Sendt fra min smartphone
> > >
> > > fre. 18. maj 2018 19.05 skrev Michael Andersen :
> > >> Jeg kan se de her ressourcer nu står øverst på listen, når man har
> gemt i
> > >> iD.
> > >> De må være kommet igennem indenfor de seneste få dage her :-).
> > >>
> > >> Det er dog kun ganske få af os der er på IRC (og der sker normalt ikke
> > >> ret
> > >> meget på kanalen) og jeg har også indtryk af at der ikke er ret mange
> der
> > >> er
> > >> fortrolige med IRC.
> > >>
> > >> Også det der webforum er kun i meget begrænset omfang blevet brugt
> (jeg
> > >> tror
> > >> ikke der rigtig er andre end mig der ser opslag der).
> > >>
> > >> Jeg har tænkt på at det kunne være en ide at lave en dansk Facebook
> > >> gruppe
> > >> (stort set alle er fortrolige med Facebook i vore dage). Det kræver
> dog
> > >> at
> > >> mindst en anden vil være med til det.
> > >>
> > >> Et link til https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Da:WikiProject_
> Denmark
> > >> kunne
> > >> måske også være en ide?
> > >>
> > >> On onsdag den 25. april 2018 03.52.38 CEST Mikkel Kirkgaard Nielsen
> wrote:
> > >> > Halløj.
> > >> >
> > >> > Jeg har tilføjet Danmark og nedenstående danske
> fællesskabsressourcer
> > >> > til det nye osmlab-projekt "osm-community-index"[1]. Det er et
> projekt
> > >> > der forsøger at samle geo-kodede informationer om
> > >> > kommunikationskanaler,
> > >> > kontaktinfo, begivenheder mm. fra OSM-fællesskaberne, så de kan
> > >> > præsenteres af systemerne for relevante brugere og bidragsydere.
> > >> >
> > >> > Talk-dk: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
> > >> > #osm-dk: irc://irc.oftc.net/osm-dk
> > >> > OSM-forum: https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=48
> > >> >
> > >> > Er der andre relevante ressourcer at tilføje, så gør endelig det i
> > >> > projektet, eller meld tilbage her så skal de nok komme på.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Indekset bruges bl.a. af iD-editoren i v2.8.0[2] til en forbedret
> > >> > dialog
> > >> > efter upload, der henviser til de ressourcer der findes i det netop
> > >> > redigerede område.
> > >> >
> > >> > Flere detaljer og eksempel kan ses i iD-projektet[3], ellers prøv at
> > >> > rediger+gem med iD på openstreetmap.org[4] og se det selv (de
> > >> > danskspecifikke ressourcer er ikke slået igennem pt., så de globale
> > >>
> > >> vises).
> > >>
> > >> > Hygge,
> > >>
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Re: [Talk-us] Prospect Mountain Interchange Reconfiguration, Binghamton NY

[Kevin Kenny]

On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 7:08 PM, Evin Fairchild  wrote:

> You're welcome. I don't think that was the I-81/I-86 interchange that
> NYSDOT was referring to, but yeah, I figured it ought to be fixed. I'm
> pretty sure NYSDOT is referring to the T-interchange a few miles NW of the
> one I just edited. Since I live on the other side of the country, fixing
> that one is going to be beyond my knowledge or ability to survey.
>
>
Oh, yeah, the Chenango River crossing looks to be an even worse mess. As of
the imagery in NYS Orthos Online, construction was obviously in progress -
and neither the 'construction' nor the 'motorway' in OSM lines up with what
I see in the orthoimagery.

I see that the DOT has the construction documents available at
https://www.dot.ny.gov/regional-offices/region9/projects/prospect-mountain-route-17
.  It's a complex project. The good news is that there are georeferenced
plan views of everything.

I can certainly see on OSM that the ways do NOT connect through there, and
that there's a lot of overdrawing, including things like untagged ways. NYS
Orthos Online clearly shows a construction zone, and I'm virtually certain
that the current traffic routing is different from what I see in the
orthoimagery.

I think that taking this on as an ongoing project will be too much for me,
and certainly untangling the mess that I see at the Chenango is too much
for me right now - life is simply getting in the way of mapping. I think
I'm going to have to bow out and let someone else give this a try. I have
relatively little experience with freeway mapping; my chief mapping
interest is outdoor recreation.

For whoever is able to take this on - I definitely recommend  using NYS
Orthos Online for tracing. It's at least new enough to show construction in
progress on the new bridges and the interchanges on I-86. Bing, Digital
Globe, ESRI, and Mapbox are all hopelessly out of date.
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Re: [talk-au] Correcting inland water features

[Ian Sergeant]

 On 19/05/18 11:38, Ian Sergeant wrote:
> flow=ephemeral, maybe.  water-presence=ephemeral?

On 19 May 2018 at 11:44, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 'ephemeral=yes' matches the present use of 'intermittent=yes'. I like at
> least some consistency in the tagging.

I think you picked the wrong mapping project :-)

The issue here of course, is that the next tag will something=yes.
Ugliness.  Best to fix it now.

Ian.

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Re: [talk-au] Correcting inland water features

[Warin]

On 19/05/18 11:38, Ian Sergeant wrote:

On 19 May 2018 at 11:34, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:


Some are using stream=ephemeral ... low usage.
I'd rather go with ephemeral=yes as that then can be used on 'lakes' and
other things.

flow=ephemeral, maybe.  water-presence=ephemeral?

Ian.



'ephemeral=yes' matches the present use of 'intermittent=yes'. I like at 
least some consistency in the tagging.



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Re: [talk-au] Correcting inland water features

[Ian Sergeant]

On 19 May 2018 at 11:34, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Some are using stream=ephemeral ... low usage.
> I'd rather go with ephemeral=yes as that then can be used on 'lakes' and
> other things.

flow=ephemeral, maybe.  water-presence=ephemeral?

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Re: [talk-au] Correcting inland water features

[Warin]

On 19/05/18 11:02, Andrew Davidson wrote:

On 16/05/18 07:35, Warin wrote:
Many inland waters in Australia are 'intermittent' meaning they only 
flow when there is rain and that rain may only occur every 5 years or 
so on average.


The vast majority of Australian stream are non-perennial. The WSJ has 
a cool slider that shows this:


http://graphics.wsj.com/documents/wsj_sliders14/AustralianStreams

There are a least two problems for Australian mapping:

1. There is no OSM tag for ephemeral streams. On a stream length basis 
the majority of Australian streams are ephemeral.


Some are using stream=ephemeral ... low usage.
I'd rather go with ephemeral=yes as that then can be used on 'lakes' and 
other things.




2. There is no OSM tag for the end of a watercourse. This causes 
problems for validators because they can't tell if a stream finishes 
because the mapper gave up or the stream itself just peters out.


I did strike one stream that flowed in to a river .. at both ends!! That 
had me puzzled. I tracked it back using topo information to find it went 
over a saddle, so I mapped it as flowing away from the saddle on both 
sides ..


As for indicating an 'end' ... maybe exit=underground on the last node ???


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Re: [talk-au] Correcting inland water features

[Andrew Davidson]

On 16/05/18 23:26, Andrew Harvey wrote:


GA also has a Surface Hydrology dataset [2] [3] [4] which could be used 
as well.


+1

This is a good source as it covers all of the country and in effect has 
the datasets from the states we already have permission from. It's also 
useful for getting the name of the stream and they flag streams as being 
perennial or not.


The downside is that the data comes from a range of mapping some of 
which includes the 1:250,000 NatMap series, so the streams can be quite 
inaccurate in places.


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Re: [talk-au] Correcting inland water features

[Andrew Davidson]

On 16/05/18 08:51, Ewen Hill wrote:

There are also a number of areas I think in SA that have been inundated by
streams from a data source and these could possibly be trimmed back. Flood
water on flat deserts will make its own mind up next time. I would be really
keen to hear more and thank you for your time in improving the map.


My personal view is that there is not much point in mapping unnamed 
streams. By only bothering with the named streams you are in effect 
applying something like the Wikipedia notability test.


I know the bit of SA you are referring to and it is a bit of a mess 
because only the SA part of the streams have been imported and they all 
get cut off at the NT border.


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Re: [talk-au] Correcting inland water features

[Andrew Davidson]

On 16/05/18 07:35, Warin wrote:
Many inland waters in Australia are 'intermittent' meaning they only 
flow when there is rain and that rain may only occur every 5 years or so 
on average.


The vast majority of Australian stream are non-perennial. The WSJ has a 
cool slider that shows this:


http://graphics.wsj.com/documents/wsj_sliders14/AustralianStreams

There are a least two problems for Australian mapping:

1. There is no OSM tag for ephemeral streams. On a stream length basis 
the majority of Australian streams are ephemeral.


2. There is no OSM tag for the end of a watercourse. This causes 
problems for validators because they can't tell if a stream finishes 
because the mapper gave up or the stream itself just peters out.


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Re: [Talk-us] Prospect Mountain Interchange Reconfiguration, Binghamton NY

[Evin Fairchild]

You're welcome. I don't think that was the I-81/I-86 interchange that
NYSDOT was referring to, but yeah, I figured it ought to be fixed. I'm
pretty sure NYSDOT is referring to the T-interchange a few miles NW of the
one I just edited. Since I live on the other side of the country, fixing
that one is going to be beyond my knowledge or ability to survey.

-compdude

On Fri, May 18, 2018, 12:51 PM Kevin Kenny  wrote:

> On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 2:06 PM, Kevin Kenny 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm kind of in a crunch at work, so my time is quite limited at the
>> moment. Moreover, I'm in the Capital Region, not down near Binghamton, so I
>> don't anticipate having any opportunity to survey this in the field in the
>> near future, unless the occasion arises for me to visit my brother in the
>> upper Delaware valley.
>>
>> Nevertheless, if nobody else steps forward, I'm willing to do what I can.
>>
>
> I see that in the last hour or so, OSM user 'compdude' has done at least
> some repairs to the I-81/I-86 interchange so that now at least the ramps
> connect. Thanks, 'compdude'! If that's the interchange in question, it now
> matches the aerials in NYS Orthos Online pretty closely. Anything else
> would need either data from the DOT or else more field work that I'm not in
> a position to do right now.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] sauvegarde des photos versées sur Mapillary

[marc marc]

techniquement faire une sauvegarde en ligne disponible pour récolter 
toutes les images de France, c'est assez facile.
yaka acheter X disque 2 To et permettre un transfert scp ou autre.
le seul point bloquant c'est le coût.
acheter les disques et payer la redevance mensuelle éventuelle pour un 
serveur ou avoir la place dans une baie qui-va-bien

je me demande combien de gens sont intéressés et surtout le volume des 
photos et le financement que les personnes sont prêtes à y consacrer.

Pour la source des photos, je pensais la semaine passé à la puissance 
que cela apporterait d'avoir un smartphone sur chaque bus ou sur chaque 
Autolib (avec un bout de code qui coupe l'enregistrement en dessous de x 
km/h histoire d'éviter de capturer des espaces privés)

Le vrai problème est l'utilisation.
Si le 2ieme but est de vouloir faire un mappilary souverain
pour paraphraser Christian, se pose tout de suite le problème législatif 
(flouter les personnes et infos personnelles, gérer les faux positifs et 
les oublis et là c'est l'horreur)

Le 17. 05. 18 à 22:46, osm.sanspourr...@spamgourmet.com a écrit :
> Hier toujours je lisais que la ville de Ploemeur (Morbihan) avait 
> utilisé les véhicules des postiers pour faire l'équivalent et c'est une 
> société qui exploite les données pour les informer de l'état des routes.
> Et je me suis dit que ces photos pourriaent bien nous servir.
> Erwann, tu vois avec ta mairie ce qui est possible ?
> Jean-Yvon Landrac
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 17. Mai 2018 um 20:42 Uhr
> *Von:* "Christian Quest - cqu...@openstreetmap.fr" 
> 
> *An:* "Discussions sur OSM en français" 
> *Betreff:* Re: [OSM-talk-fr] sauvegarde des photos versées sur Mapillary
> Pareil... j'ai conservé une très grande partie des photos envoyées vers 
> Mapillary.
> Nous pouvons tous récupérer les originaux envoyés à Mapillary, ce n'est 
> pas super simple, mais c'est faisable... écrire un petit script pour 
> automatiser ça ne serait pas idiot surtout si ce script versait ces 
> photos dans une archive commune.
> commons ne me semble pas franchement très adapté, un stockage plus dédié 
> serait bienvenu et un sacré projet.
> C'est marrant car j'ai reparlé de ça autour de moi il y a très peu de 
> temps... hier et aujourd'hui !
> La question se pose pour certains services publics qui utilisent plus ou 
> moins Google Street View alors que Mapillary ou OpenStreetCam sont 
> encore très loin en terme de couverture. Je pense qu'il y a un peu plus 
> de monde mûr pour lancer un tel projet dans notre hexagone pour être un 
> peu plus souverain sur cette thématique.
> Le 17 mai 2018 à 19:09, Francois Gouget  > a écrit :
> 
> On Thu, 17 May 2018, Cyrille37 OSM wrote:
> 
> > Bonjour,
> >
> > Juste une question de pérennité, sans aucune paranoïa : quid du
> > patrimoine versé sur Mapillary si l'entreprise venait à avoir des
> > problèmes ? Ne serait-il pas intéressant de trouver un partenariat pour
> > avoir une sauvegarde des photos versées ?
> > OSM France ou commons.wikimedia.org  ou 
> ONU ou
> UNESCO ou ... ?
> 
> Je garde une copie de mes photos au cas où mais c'est évidemment pas une
> solution globale.
> 
> Plus qu'une solution de sauvegarde mon but serait d'envoyer ces photos
> sur OpenStreetCam un jour : je n'ai pas de raison de privilégier un
> acteur par rapport à un autre. Mais ce n'est pas particulièrement simple
> et je n'ai pas encore eu le temps de me pencher sérieusement sur le
> problème. Pour l'instant ma priorité c'est les photos 360.
> 
> Néamoins, uploader les photos sur les deux services serait un premier
> pas vers plus de pérennité.
> 
> 
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Re: [OSM-ja] 高速道路の定義について(まとめページ)

[Ras and Road]

Ras and Roadです。

提案1-1-1についてようやく担当部局の確認が取れました。
志戸坂トンネル(坂根－駒帰間)や二丈浜玉道路(吉井－二丈鹿家間)など、
高速道路ナンバリング路線のうち自動車専用道路でない区間は、高速道路ナンバリング区間に指定されておらず、したがってナンバリング標示も行われないとのことです。（担当部局との交信は私信につき、ここで共有することは避けます）
よって、提案1-1-1は×に投票します。（すみません、まとめ資料には反映できていません）
それ以外は投票済み内容に変更ありません。


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Re: [Talk-de] EU-DSGVO

[Manfred A. Reiter]

wir reden nicht von deutschen Mappern, sondern von Kunden von
Webseitenbetreibern.
Wenn das in EN für die deutschen Juristen egal ist und keine Abmanungen
kommen, dann müssen wir uns die Mühe nicht machen.

Am 18. Mai 2018 um 23:18 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer :

>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> > On 18. May 2018, at 19:49, nebulon42  wrote:
> >
> > Wenn mir jemand eine Übersetzung schickt, dann werde ich sie einzubauen.
> > Sie muss allerdings als inoffizielle Übersetzung gekennzeichnet werden.
>
>
> sorgt das nicht für Unsicherheit, weil eine inoffizielle Übersetzung die
> sozusagen halboffiziell veröffentlicht oder zumindest geduldet wird, hat
> vermutlich trotzdem einen gewissen Wert. Wäre eine offizielle Übersetzung
> zu teuer? Was macht der Fossgis, spielt der als „deutsche OSMF“ eine Rolle,
> oder sind die Vereinbarungen der Mapper immer nur mit London und der
> Fossgis verwendet halt die Marken?
>
> Kann man von deutschen Mappern erwarten, dass sie einen juristischen
> englischen Text verstehen?
>
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Re: [Talk-de] EU-DSGVO

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 18. May 2018, at 19:49, nebulon42  wrote:
> 
> Wenn mir jemand eine Übersetzung schickt, dann werde ich sie einzubauen.
> Sie muss allerdings als inoffizielle Übersetzung gekennzeichnet werden.


sorgt das nicht für Unsicherheit, weil eine inoffizielle Übersetzung die 
sozusagen halboffiziell veröffentlicht oder zumindest geduldet wird, hat 
vermutlich trotzdem einen gewissen Wert. Wäre eine offizielle Übersetzung zu 
teuer? Was macht der Fossgis, spielt der als „deutsche OSMF“ eine Rolle, oder 
sind die Vereinbarungen der Mapper immer nur mit London und der Fossgis 
verwendet halt die Marken?

Kann man von deutschen Mappern erwarten, dass sie einen juristischen englischen 
Text verstehen? 

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[Talk-it] Whodidit, vi funziona?

[liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu]

Il sito in oggetto, a voi funziona?

https://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/


Mi compare la mappa ma non evidenzia con i soliti rettangoli i settori 
modificati.



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Re: [Talk-dk] Fællesskabsressourcer i osm-community-index til bl.a. iD-editor

[Michael Andersen]

Der er ikke noget galt i vores postliste her. Jeg har bare stærkt indtryk af 
at der er en del potentielle bidragsydere, som vi som fællesskab vil have 
meget større chance for at komme i kontakt med via FB.
Personligt har jeg det ganske fint med IRC (og bruger det ret ofte), selvom jeg 
kan forstå at mange andre ikke har det sådan.

On fredag den 18. maj 2018 20.23.00 CEST Lars Gravengaard wrote:
> Hej
> 
> Dårlig ide med  Facebook.
> 
> Hvad er der galt med listen her ?
> 
> + hvorfor sprede folk over i nu flere steder ?
> 
> LarsBG
> 
> Den 18. maj 2018 kl. 19.11 skrev René Mittå :
> > Hej
> > 
> > Tilslutter mig ideen om en Facebook gruppe... da jeg synes at IRC er for
> > bøvlet 
> > 
> > MittaDK
> > 
> > Sendt fra min smartphone
> > 
> > fre. 18. maj 2018 19.05 skrev Michael Andersen :
> >> Jeg kan se de her ressourcer nu står øverst på listen, når man har gemt i
> >> iD.
> >> De må være kommet igennem indenfor de seneste få dage her :-).
> >> 
> >> Det er dog kun ganske få af os der er på IRC (og der sker normalt ikke
> >> ret
> >> meget på kanalen) og jeg har også indtryk af at der ikke er ret mange der
> >> er
> >> fortrolige med IRC.
> >> 
> >> Også det der webforum er kun i meget begrænset omfang blevet brugt (jeg
> >> tror
> >> ikke der rigtig er andre end mig der ser opslag der).
> >> 
> >> Jeg har tænkt på at det kunne være en ide at lave en dansk Facebook
> >> gruppe
> >> (stort set alle er fortrolige med Facebook i vore dage). Det kræver dog
> >> at
> >> mindst en anden vil være med til det.
> >> 
> >> Et link til https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Da:WikiProject_Denmark
> >> kunne
> >> måske også være en ide?
> >> 
> >> On onsdag den 25. april 2018 03.52.38 CEST Mikkel Kirkgaard Nielsen 
wrote:
> >> > Halløj.
> >> > 
> >> > Jeg har tilføjet Danmark og nedenstående danske fællesskabsressourcer
> >> > til det nye osmlab-projekt "osm-community-index"[1]. Det er et projekt
> >> > der forsøger at samle geo-kodede informationer om
> >> > kommunikationskanaler,
> >> > kontaktinfo, begivenheder mm. fra OSM-fællesskaberne, så de kan
> >> > præsenteres af systemerne for relevante brugere og bidragsydere.
> >> > 
> >> > Talk-dk: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
> >> > #osm-dk: irc://irc.oftc.net/osm-dk
> >> > OSM-forum: https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=48
> >> > 
> >> > Er der andre relevante ressourcer at tilføje, så gør endelig det i
> >> > projektet, eller meld tilbage her så skal de nok komme på.
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > Indekset bruges bl.a. af iD-editoren i v2.8.0[2] til en forbedret
> >> > dialog
> >> > efter upload, der henviser til de ressourcer der findes i det netop
> >> > redigerede område.
> >> > 
> >> > Flere detaljer og eksempel kan ses i iD-projektet[3], ellers prøv at
> >> > rediger+gem med iD på openstreetmap.org[4] og se det selv (de
> >> > danskspecifikke ressourcer er ikke slået igennem pt., så de globale
> >> 
> >> vises).
> >> 
> >> > Hygge,
> >> 
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Enedis ouvre finalement ses données d'infrastructure

[François Lacombe]

Merci pour vos retours !

Ca fait plaisir, avec ou sans table attributaire associée :)


François

Le 17 mai 2018 à 20:05, David Marchal  a écrit :

> Bonjour.
>
>
> Ah, bonne nouvelle ! Bon, ils le font a minima, si je comprends bien, mais
> c’est toujours bon à prendre. Bien joué, François et consorts !
>
>
> Cordialement.
>
> --
> *De :* François Lacombe 
> *Envoyé :* mercredi 16 mai 2018 23:14
> *À :* Discussions sur OSM en français
> *Objet :* [OSM-talk-fr] Enedis ouvre finalement ses données
> d'infrastructure
>
> Re-bonsoir,
>
> La nouvelle est tombée cet après-midi sur les coups de 15h, 4 jeux de
> données ont été ajoutés à la plateforme opendata d'Enedis concernant les
> lignes et les postes.
> https://data.enedis.fr/explore/?sort=modified=Infrastructures
> Enedis Open Data  Explore
> 
> data.enedis.fr
> Enedis est gestionnaire du réseau public de distribution d'électricité au
> service de 35 millions de clients. Dans le cadre de nos missions nous
> gérons un grand nombre de données, notamment issues des compteurs. En tant
> qu’entreprise de service public, nous sommes responsables du respect de la
> confidentialité des informations personnelles de nos clients. Depuis
> quelques années, nous nous sommes engagés dans une démarche de mise à
> disposition de données anonymisées et gratuites au service de tous les
> acteurs de la transition énergétique. Nous vous invitons à découvrir,
> partager et réutiliser ces données en Open Data !
>
>
>
> https://twitter.com/CoutantFabien/status/996837176770998272
> https://twitter.com/pindrow/status/99676883095722
>
> Pour ceux qui connaissent mon engagement en la matière, c'est un
> aboutissement de 5 ans de contribution pour qu'à plusieurs âmes motivées
> nous arrivions à faire évoluer les mentalités en la matière.
> La libération de ces données devenait incontournable à partir du moment où
> OSM devenait pertinent et plus complet que le SIG de certains exploitants.
> Il le reste, Enedis n'ayant par exemple pas publié d'attributs sur les
> objets libérés.
>
> Les deux jeux de données sur les lignes ne sont pas intégrables en l'état
> dans OSM. Il s'agit de tracés grande échelle qui permettent uniquement aux
> contributeurs à savoir qu'une ligne se trouve dans les environs. Vous
> pourrez comparer avec la BDOrtho pour vous en apercevoir.
> Ne pas essayer non plus de considérer les sommets des lignes comme des
> poteaux, ça ne marche pas.
>
> En revanche, le jeu des postes HTA/BT peut être intégré directement dans
> Osmose, à la recherche des objets (batiments, armoires...) power=substation
> + substation=minor_distribution + operator=Enedis
> Cela va permettre de qualifier le bâti beaucoup plus finement.
> C'est la seule intégration qu'il est possible de faire pour l'instant.
> https://github.com/osm-fr/osmose-backend/issues/300
>
> La disponibilité de ces jeux va nous permettre globalement de mieux cibler
> les recherches sur le terrain pour collecter les attributs manquants, qu'il
> faut continuer d'ajouter à OSM
>
>
> Bonne soirée et bonne carto
>
> François
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Re: [Talk-us] Prospect Mountain Interchange Reconfiguration, Binghamton NY

[Kevin Kenny]

On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 2:06 PM, Kevin Kenny 
wrote:

> I'm kind of in a crunch at work, so my time is quite limited at the
> moment. Moreover, I'm in the Capital Region, not down near Binghamton, so I
> don't anticipate having any opportunity to survey this in the field in the
> near future, unless the occasion arises for me to visit my brother in the
> upper Delaware valley.
>
> Nevertheless, if nobody else steps forward, I'm willing to do what I can.
>

I see that in the last hour or so, OSM user 'compdude' has done at least
some repairs to the I-81/I-86 interchange so that now at least the ramps
connect. Thanks, 'compdude'! If that's the interchange in question, it now
matches the aerials in NYS Orthos Online pretty closely. Anything else
would need either data from the DOT or else more field work that I'm not in
a position to do right now.
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Re: [Talk-it] Osmand tra Android ed Ios

[Alessandro Palmas]

Il 18/05/2018 18:41, Lidrie ha scritto:

...
Cito da
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Data : Thu, 19 Apr 2018 10:08:57 +0200

"I tablet in dotazione al 118 per la ricezione dell’ordine di intervento
in cui sono indicati la cosiddetta mappa del target (l’indirizzo da cui
è partita la richiesta di soccorso) e il tragitto consigliato, era
inutilizzabile poiché la schermata era visibile in ritardo. Stando alle
segnalazioni, la centrale unica di Palmanova trasmetteva la
comunicazione e questa compariva nell’ambulanza dopo diversi minuti,
anche cinque, e quindi gli operatori hanno scelto di usare per lo più il
telefono cellulare."

"A me è stato detto che la colpa era dei tablet scadenti assegnati ai 
mezzi: appena superavano i 110-120 km/h il loro GPS andava in tilt, 
con ritardi dovuti al riavvio delle operazioni di ricerca satelliti. 
Ovviamente la fornitura fu vinta da chi fece il prezzo più basso..."


L'operatore con cui ho parlato mi diceva che per sapere dove si 
trovavano  doveva usare il suo iPhone perché era il solo che a 160-180 
km/h (automedica, non ambulanza) non perdeva mai la posizione.





Ah, non ricordavo questa mail.
Se è il GPS che va in palla potreste provare con un gps bluetooth 
decente, quale il Garmin Glo che ha anche la versione "Glo for aviation" 
https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/p/109826#specs con PART NUMBER: 
010-01055-10 funzionante sino a velocità di quasi 1500kmh e dal costo di 99€


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[Talk-lt] wetland=reedbed

[Tomas Straupis]

Sveiki

  Per paskutinį susitikimą buvo keltas klausimas dėl to, kaip žymėti
meldus. Teritorija, kur auga meldai, teoriškai vis tiek yra ežeras ar
tvenkinys. Bet suprantama, kad meldų žymėjimas yra svarbus. Tarkim
plaukiant baidare ar valtimi paprastai vengiama plaukti per meldus.

  Tai kad visi(?) būtų laimingi:
  a) meldai pažymėti
  b) nesugadintas vandens telkinių plotas
  galvoju, kad reedbed naudojimo topologijos taisyklė būtų tokia:
  reedbed gali būti TIK VIRŠ natural=water ir landuse=reservoir.

  Vaizdavimas būtų virš vandens (dažniausiai mėlyno) koks nors
šablonas: brūkšniukai, taškiukai ar pan. gal balti, gal žalsvi, gal
gelsvi pagal kartografo pasirinkimą.

  Ką galvojate?

P.S. Dabar randu daug(visi?) reedbed, kurie „po apačia“ neturi vandens.
P.P.S. Prie pelkių dar yra „bog“ (aukštapelkės) klausimas, bet kol kas
susitarkime tik dėl reedbed.

-- 
Tomas

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Re: [Talk-dk] Fællesskabsressourcer i osm-community-index til bl.a. iD-editor

[Lars Gravengaard]

Hej

Dårlig ide med  Facebook.

Hvad er der galt med listen her ?

+ hvorfor sprede folk over i nu flere steder ?

LarsBG

Den 18. maj 2018 kl. 19.11 skrev René Mittå :

> Hej
>
> Tilslutter mig ideen om en Facebook gruppe... da jeg synes at IRC er for
> bøvlet 
>
> MittaDK
>
> Sendt fra min smartphone
>
>
> fre. 18. maj 2018 19.05 skrev Michael Andersen :
>
>> Jeg kan se de her ressourcer nu står øverst på listen, når man har gemt i
>> iD.
>> De må være kommet igennem indenfor de seneste få dage her :-).
>>
>> Det er dog kun ganske få af os der er på IRC (og der sker normalt ikke
>> ret
>> meget på kanalen) og jeg har også indtryk af at der ikke er ret mange der
>> er
>> fortrolige med IRC.
>>
>> Også det der webforum er kun i meget begrænset omfang blevet brugt (jeg
>> tror
>> ikke der rigtig er andre end mig der ser opslag der).
>>
>> Jeg har tænkt på at det kunne være en ide at lave en dansk Facebook
>> gruppe
>> (stort set alle er fortrolige med Facebook i vore dage). Det kræver dog
>> at
>> mindst en anden vil være med til det.
>>
>> Et link til https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Da:WikiProject_Denmark
>> kunne
>> måske også være en ide?
>>
>> On onsdag den 25. april 2018 03.52.38 CEST Mikkel Kirkgaard Nielsen wrote:
>> > Halløj.
>> >
>> > Jeg har tilføjet Danmark og nedenstående danske fællesskabsressourcer
>> > til det nye osmlab-projekt "osm-community-index"[1]. Det er et projekt
>> > der forsøger at samle geo-kodede informationer om kommunikationskanaler,
>> > kontaktinfo, begivenheder mm. fra OSM-fællesskaberne, så de kan
>> > præsenteres af systemerne for relevante brugere og bidragsydere.
>> >
>> > Talk-dk: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
>> > #osm-dk: irc://irc.oftc.net/osm-dk
>> > OSM-forum: https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=48
>> >
>> > Er der andre relevante ressourcer at tilføje, så gør endelig det i
>> > projektet, eller meld tilbage her så skal de nok komme på.
>> >
>> >
>> > Indekset bruges bl.a. af iD-editoren i v2.8.0[2] til en forbedret dialog
>> > efter upload, der henviser til de ressourcer der findes i det netop
>> > redigerede område.
>> >
>> > Flere detaljer og eksempel kan ses i iD-projektet[3], ellers prøv at
>> > rediger+gem med iD på openstreetmap.org[4] og se det selv (de
>> > danskspecifikke ressourcer er ikke slået igennem pt., så de globale
>> vises).
>> >
>> > Hygge,
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Talk-us] Prospect Mountain Interchange Reconfiguration, Binghamton NY

[Kevin Kenny]

I'm kind of in a crunch at work, so my time is quite limited at the moment.
Moreover, I'm in the Capital Region, not down near Binghamton, so I don't
anticipate having any opportunity to survey this in the field in the near
future, unless the occasion arises for me to visit my brother in the upper
Delaware valley.

Nevertheless, if nobody else steps forward, I'm willing to do what I can.
If your DOT contact can provide us with plats of the current and proposed
changes (and the required permission to trace and/or import, of course!) I
can try to transcribe the data into OSM.  It would be a major plus if the
plats are georeferenced so I don't have to do the comparison with
orthophotos myself.. I can take pretty much any datum that the state and
county governments use around here - State Plane Coordinates (NAD27) and
UTM zone 18N (NAD83) are what I most often find, but I run into the
occasional oddball. Even just having state plane grid ticks in the corners
of a plan is a major plus for tracing.

Is the interchange in question the I-86/NY17/I-81/US11 mess? If so, I can
see that it's damaged in OSM - several segments of the I-81 flyover are
just plain missing. (If they reflect a bridge that's out, there's no
indication in OSM of how the traffic is routed around it.) I can see where
DOT would have a problem with how the data appear currently.

I'm not on Slack very much. It's blocked in my workplace, and when I have
the time and inclination to do mapping at home, I'm pretty focused on the
JOSM window.

(And this message reminds me - time to work on updating the public lands
imports; the hiking season is starting up, which is when the park and
forest boundaries start becoming interesting.)

Kevin


On Fri, May 18, 2018, 9:09 AM Bryan Housel  wrote:

> Thanks for the heads up Andy!
> Of the top of my head, I consider Russ Nelson, Kevin Kenny, Richard Welty
> are all power users in NY State (though maybe not the Binghamton area) and
> would be great for this.
>
> I will share your message on Slack too.
>
> Bryan
>
>
>
>
> > On May 18, 2018, at 6:57 AM, Andy Townsend  wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > The Data Working Group has recently received an email from someone at
> dot.ny.gov, saying that there's a general problem with satnav directions
> following changes to this interchange:
> >
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/42.11451/-75.90885
> >
> > Essentially, it's in the process of being changed and there will be
> temporary reconfigurations during construction until the final layout is
> achieved.  Also, what's currently in OSM (which seems to be mostly a few
> years old) isn't up to date.  I've explained that OSM is created by
> volunteers and linked to https://www.openstreetmap.org/about etc. to
> provide a bit more background.
> >
> > What they've asked for is a contact within OSM who they can work with to
> ensure that the data is updated to be correct as of now, and changed as and
> when future changes occur.
> >
> > Obviously it makes sense for the person doing this to be at least on the
> same continent, so I'm asking for a volunteer here.  Email me via
> ajt1...@gmail.com and I'll pass the details on.  Also, if anyone can
> think of anyone who might want to do it and might not be reading talk-us,
> please pass the message on to them too.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Andy Townsend, on behalf of OSM's Data Working Group.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Talk-de] EU-DSGVO

[nebulon42]

Wenn mir jemand eine Übersetzung schickt, dann werde ich sie einzubauen.
Sie muss allerdings als inoffizielle Übersetzung gekennzeichnet werden.
Simon kann dann ja noch Teile nach seiner Expertise anpassen.

Michael
(Communications Working Group)

Am 2018-05-17 um 21:48 schrieb Simon Poole:
> Am 17.05.2018 um 08:04 schrieb Manfred A. Reiter:
> 
>> [...]
>>
>> Ist Dir zufälligerweise bekannt, ob es
>> eine ähnlich lautende Seite in deutscher (u. a.) Sprache(n) geben wird?
> Ausser ich mach was (was vor dem 25. kaum passieren wird), unwahrscheinlich.
>>
>> Wäre das sinnvoll?
> Da die Anfragen zum Thema ausschliesslich aus Deutschland kommen
> vermutlich ja.
> 
> Simon
> 
>> M.
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Re: [Talk-dk] Fællesskabsressourcer i osm-community-index til bl.a. iD-editor

[René Mittå]

Hej

Tilslutter mig ideen om en Facebook gruppe... da jeg synes at IRC er for
bøvlet 

MittaDK

Sendt fra min smartphone


fre. 18. maj 2018 19.05 skrev Michael Andersen :

> Jeg kan se de her ressourcer nu står øverst på listen, når man har gemt i
> iD.
> De må være kommet igennem indenfor de seneste få dage her :-).
>
> Det er dog kun ganske få af os der er på IRC (og der sker normalt ikke ret
> meget på kanalen) og jeg har også indtryk af at der ikke er ret mange der
> er
> fortrolige med IRC.
>
> Også det der webforum er kun i meget begrænset omfang blevet brugt (jeg
> tror
> ikke der rigtig er andre end mig der ser opslag der).
>
> Jeg har tænkt på at det kunne være en ide at lave en dansk Facebook gruppe
> (stort set alle er fortrolige med Facebook i vore dage). Det kræver dog at
> mindst en anden vil være med til det.
>
> Et link til https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Da:WikiProject_Denmark
> kunne
> måske også være en ide?
>
> On onsdag den 25. april 2018 03.52.38 CEST Mikkel Kirkgaard Nielsen wrote:
> > Halløj.
> >
> > Jeg har tilføjet Danmark og nedenstående danske fællesskabsressourcer
> > til det nye osmlab-projekt "osm-community-index"[1]. Det er et projekt
> > der forsøger at samle geo-kodede informationer om kommunikationskanaler,
> > kontaktinfo, begivenheder mm. fra OSM-fællesskaberne, så de kan
> > præsenteres af systemerne for relevante brugere og bidragsydere.
> >
> > Talk-dk: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
> > #osm-dk: irc://irc.oftc.net/osm-dk
> > OSM-forum: https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=48
> >
> > Er der andre relevante ressourcer at tilføje, så gør endelig det i
> > projektet, eller meld tilbage her så skal de nok komme på.
> >
> >
> > Indekset bruges bl.a. af iD-editoren i v2.8.0[2] til en forbedret dialog
> > efter upload, der henviser til de ressourcer der findes i det netop
> > redigerede område.
> >
> > Flere detaljer og eksempel kan ses i iD-projektet[3], ellers prøv at
> > rediger+gem med iD på openstreetmap.org[4] og se det selv (de
> > danskspecifikke ressourcer er ikke slået igennem pt., så de globale
> vises).
> >
> > Hygge,
>
>
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Re: [Talk-dk] Fællesskabsressourcer i osm-community-index til bl.a. iD-editor

[Michael Andersen]

Jeg kan se de her ressourcer nu står øverst på listen, når man har gemt i iD. 
De må være kommet igennem indenfor de seneste få dage her :-).

Det er dog kun ganske få af os der er på IRC (og der sker normalt ikke ret 
meget på kanalen) og jeg har også indtryk af at der ikke er ret mange der er 
fortrolige med IRC.

Også det der webforum er kun i meget begrænset omfang blevet brugt (jeg tror 
ikke der rigtig er andre end mig der ser opslag der).

Jeg har tænkt på at det kunne være en ide at lave en dansk Facebook gruppe 
(stort set alle er fortrolige med Facebook i vore dage). Det kræver dog at 
mindst en anden vil være med til det.

Et link til https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Da:WikiProject_Denmark kunne 
måske også være en ide?

On onsdag den 25. april 2018 03.52.38 CEST Mikkel Kirkgaard Nielsen wrote:
> Halløj.
> 
> Jeg har tilføjet Danmark og nedenstående danske fællesskabsressourcer
> til det nye osmlab-projekt "osm-community-index"[1]. Det er et projekt
> der forsøger at samle geo-kodede informationer om kommunikationskanaler,
> kontaktinfo, begivenheder mm. fra OSM-fællesskaberne, så de kan
> præsenteres af systemerne for relevante brugere og bidragsydere.
> 
> Talk-dk: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
> #osm-dk: irc://irc.oftc.net/osm-dk
> OSM-forum: https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=48
> 
> Er der andre relevante ressourcer at tilføje, så gør endelig det i
> projektet, eller meld tilbage her så skal de nok komme på.
> 
> 
> Indekset bruges bl.a. af iD-editoren i v2.8.0[2] til en forbedret dialog
> efter upload, der henviser til de ressourcer der findes i det netop
> redigerede område.
> 
> Flere detaljer og eksempel kan ses i iD-projektet[3], ellers prøv at
> rediger+gem med iD på openstreetmap.org[4] og se det selv (de
> danskspecifikke ressourcer er ikke slået igennem pt., så de globale vises).
> 
> Hygge,



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Re: [Talk-it] Osmand tra Android ed Ios

[Lidrie]

Alessandro Palmas ci scrisse :


Possibile soluzione B:
Non conosco le attuali dotazioni delle ambulanza, ma quasi mi stupisco che 
ogni mezzo non abbia il suo tablet fisso con installate solo poche app utili 
al soccorso. Con un tablet tra i 100 e i 150€ (non è necessaria una sim 
telefonica, basterebbe col wifi) potreste installare un tablet da 9" così da 
avere sempre OsmAnd e con la possibilità di aggiungere dei POI preferiti per 
caratteristiche non mappate o per gli indirizzi più ricercati.

Anche questo secondo metodo sarebbe interessante.


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Oggetto : Re: Mappe OSM su tutte le ambulanze del 118 FVG
Data : Thu, 19 Apr 2018 10:08:57 +0200

"I tablet in dotazione al 118 per la ricezione dell’ordine di intervento
in cui sono indicati la cosiddetta mappa del target (l’indirizzo da cui
è partita la richiesta di soccorso) e il tragitto consigliato, era
inutilizzabile poiché la schermata era visibile in ritardo. Stando alle
segnalazioni, la centrale unica di Palmanova trasmetteva la
comunicazione e questa compariva nell’ambulanza dopo diversi minuti,
anche cinque, e quindi gli operatori hanno scelto di usare per lo più il
telefono cellulare."

"A me è stato detto che la colpa era dei tablet scadenti assegnati ai 
mezzi: appena superavano i 110-120 km/h il loro GPS andava in tilt, con 
ritardi dovuti al riavvio delle operazioni di ricerca satelliti. 
Ovviamente la fornitura fu vinta da chi fece il prezzo più basso..."


L'operatore con cui ho parlato mi diceva che per sapere dove si trovavano  
doveva usare il suo iPhone perché era il solo che a 160-180 km/h 
(automedica, non ambulanza) non perdeva mai la posizione.


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Re: [Talk-it] path - stato manutentivo?

[Roberto Brazzelli]

Ok grazie..
ma mi viene un dubbio per i sentieri inserire la relazioni tipo
ruote=mtb
come indicato qui https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Piemonte/Sentieri/
non è esclusivo per enti tipo cai?

Il progetto di collaborazione wikimedia/cai e questo
https://mtb.waymarkedtrails.org/?

grazie mille

Roberto




Il giorno 18 maggio 2018 14:34, Alfredo Gattai 
ha scritto:

> sulla singola way metti trail_visibility=no, poi se e' totalmente ostruito
> puoi mettere obstacle=vegetation
>
> vedi sotto per le opzioni
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:trail_visibility
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:obstacle
>
> ci sono poi i tag per la relazione che puoi vedere qua
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CAI
>
> maintenance
> maintenance:it
>
> sono stati pero' previsti per chi fa effettivamente manutenzione quindi se
> non sei di una di queste squadre meglio non usarli per non interferire con
> chi li usa proprio a questo scopo
>
>
>
>
> 2018-05-18 14:15 GMT+02:00 Roberto Brazzelli :
>
>> Ciao lista,
>> per quanto riguarda lo stato manutentivo del sentiero
>> o addirittura la non visibilità totale per vegetazione o altro...
>> anche solo nel pezzo iniziale..ipotesi attuabile  perchè oltre non si
>> riesce ad andare ma  magari dopo  c'è ed è percorribile.
>>
>> Come si segnala su osm...visibilità del tracciato? suggerimenti?
>> Qual'è l'approccio giusto da tenere...se è stato mappato probabilmente
>> c'era ma di fatto non è percorribile...
>>
>> grazie
>>
>>
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Re: [Talk-de] osmhydrant.org nicht erreichbar

[Harald Hartmann]

Gerade seit längerem mal wieder auf https://osmhydrant.org, gesehen,
dass oben rechts der "LOGIN" Button angezeigt wird, angeklickt, auf
https://www.openstreetmap.org/oauth/authorize weitergeleitet worden,
"Zugriff gewähren" bestätigt und tatsächlich zurück au osmhydrant.org
kommt dann einfach nur eine weiße Seite mit fail:505

Habe einfach mal das Kontaktformular soweit ausgefüllt.


Am 18.05.2018 um 11:37 schrieb i...@plennert.eu:
> 
> Hallo zusammen,
> 
> ist vielleicht nicht die richtige Mailliste, aber trotzdem. Ich kann mich 
> seit einigen Tagen nicht mehr auf die Seite osmhydrant.org einloggen. Die 
> Authorisierung und der Abgleich der Daten mit meinem OSM-Konto schlägt fehl. 
> Weis zufällig jemand was darüber?
> 
> Gruss und Danke
> Ralph
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Re: [Talk-es] [geoinquietos-es] Reunión/Actividad/es comunidad OSM España en Geocamp ES (MAD

[Santiago Crespo]

Gracias Miguel, me parece una iniciativa muy buena.

Nos vemos en octubre entonces, o cuando sea la Geocamp.

Saludos,
Santiago Crespo

On 05/18/2018 02:08 PM, Jorge Sanz wrote:
> Ojo que la fecha y lugar no están cerrados, vamos que seguro no va a ser en
> MediaLab (ni Google Campus)
> 
> https://github.com/geocamp-es/2018/issues/1
> 
> En cuanto tengamos lugar y fecha os avisamos
> On Fri, 18 May 2018 at 10:31, Miguel Sevilla-Callejo 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hola (copio a listas de OSM/Talk-es y a geoinquietos),
> 
>> A la vista de algunos desencuentros y malentendidos uqe ha habido dentro
> de la comunidad de OSM España y ante la necesidad acuciante de vernos las
> caras de una vez para relanzar algunos aspectos organizativos de la propia
> comunidad, se me ocurrió que podríamos aprovechar para vernos en la
> "desconferencia" de la Geocamp-ES [1] que se celebrará en Madrid (MediaLab
> Prado) los pŕoximos 20 y 21 de octubre, que organiza Geoinquietos Madrid y
> en la que asistiremos personas doblemente implicados en este movimiento
> "geo" y en la comunidad OSM.
> 
>> Se ha creado un github para la organización del evento y he tenido la
> osadía de abrir un "issue" sobre el tema de alguna actividad/reunión/lo que
> se tercie de la comunidad OMS:
> 
>> https://github.com/geocamp-es/2018/issues/2
> 
>> Como veréis solo está la idea, pero la cosa es, seǵun las ganas, hacer
> una pequeña reunión, algún taller o lo que se tercie, en la línea de la
> geocamp.
> 
>> ¿Cómo lo veis? ¿Nos vemos en octubre en Madrid? A buen seguro nos viene
> bien vernos las caras, desvirtualizarnos y compartir más que conversaciones
> de mensajería instantánea o correos electrónicos.
> 
>> Un saludo
> 
>> Miguel
> 
> 
>> [1] De la web http://2013.geocamp.es/ --> Un Geocamp es una
> geo-desconferencia, un evento en el que todos los participantes toman un
> papel más activo dentro de la creación del evento. Tiene su origen en el
> concepto Barcamp. Es un día para el intercambio de experiencias,
> conocimientos y valores en torno a todo aquello que tenga que ver con lo
> GEO y no tan GEO
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Open sourcing of POI pictures for OSM App/STAPPZ - Feedback and ideas wanted

[Tim Frey]

Hi All,

 

short sum up:

We are discussing about “open sourcing/open contenting” our STAPPZ POI picture 
mapping APP for the OSM community and what prerequisites we need to fulfill to 
make this a success.

 

@Kathleen

Thanks a lot for your insights Kathleen, those helped a lot in our internal 
discussions. I appreciate that a lot!

 

@Milo
Thank you so much Milo. Yes, please do!

 

We discussed in our company about the next steps that we would need to take to 
contribute to OSM.

At the end, our discussions boil down to the acceptance and contributions of 
OSM mappers to the picture POI database. 

Logically, it only makes sense for us to take the effort to open source in a 
step by step way, when we have enough support from the community.
In order to make it a sustainable success, we’d like to have a group of people 
or fellow companies who would contribute and help to spread the word. 

 

Therefore, I’d like to ask who would we open minded to support our efforts and 
contribute?

 

If someone has additional thoughts or ideas, please add. 

Best

Tim

 

 

Von: Milo van der Linden  
Gesendet: Freitag, 18. Mai 2018 15:13
An: Kathleen Lu 
Cc: Tim Frey ; OSM Talk 
Betreff: Re: [OSM-talk] Open sourcing of POI pictures for OSM App/STAPPZ - 
Feedback and ideas wanted

 

@Tim,

I can get you in touch with the people at   
healthsites.io, they have a model that is complimentary to OSM to maintain a 
lot of information about healthcare around the world where not all attributes 
can be added to OpenStreetMap.

 

2018-05-17 1:17 GMT+02:00 Kathleen Lu  >:

Tim - 
For GDPR, there's not a lot of clarity yet because the regulation is only going 
into effect next week. I suspect in practice, the answer with be that the 
processing is legal because it is to fulfill the contractual terms (of the 
creative commons license requiring attribution, which is a contract with the 
data subject that basically anyone can accept), and then if removal is later 
requested, then you can remove the image in question (or just the attribution, 
if that's what the person prefers) from your site/app (this is polite anyway). 
The person will have to ask each place for removal, since each place is using 
the image is issuing it for their own purposes. (Generally, with an open 
dataset, you're not going to have a list of everyone who got the dataset so you 
can't send them an update.)

I'm not sure if a photograph catching someone in the background would be a 
problem or not, since they are inadvertently captured and there's no other info 
about them, but I suppose it would be polite to remove or blur the photo if 
someone objected. 

-Kathleen

 

On Wed, May 16, 2018, 1:16 AM Tim Frey <  
tim.f...@iunera.com> wrote:

Thank you Kathleen and Tobias,

This is some very valuable insight.

 

>From our terms of use, we could likely open the content, but you are right – 
>it is about what users think. Hence, we will and can ask them. Thanks a lot 
>for rising this point. 

One rising concern, when I read your text, Kathleen, is the GDPR – what happens 
if a user wants content deleted and it is already copied all over the web by an 
open license. Or even worse, a user uploads a picture of a scenery and there 
are human faces in the scenery .. and this picture is distributed. I see 
potential problems here for us and the organizations using the pictures. 
Additional thoughts please? 

 

I like the Wikipedia and in special the Wikivoyage direction also. Does 
somebody know the best touchpoints to get in contact with the community there?

 

In general, I agree to what you said that manual work for content filtering and 
legal issues would be needed – what is also one point for us to discuss with 
the community first: We can provide the software and open source the stuff, but 
to create valuable content for the specific use cases, we’ll need the community 
and partners who share common goals to get this successfully going. So all 
ideas in this direction are welcome, too.

Best

Tim

 

Von: Kathleen Lu  > 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. Mai 2018 00:25
An: Tobias Knerr  >
Cc: Tim Frey  >; 
talk@openstreetmap.org  


Betreff: Re: [OSM-talk] Open sourcing of POI pictures for OSM App/STAPPZ - 
Feedback and ideas wanted

 

Hi Tim,

Your app and what you hope to do with it both sound interesting. I hope you are 
successful.

Here's some more information on the open licensing front to consider:

 - In order to have the legal rights necessary to "open" the material your 
users contributed, you would likely needed to have gotten a perpetual 
irrevocable royalty-free license with 

Re: [OSM-talk] Open sourcing of POI pictures for OSM App/STAPPZ - Feedback and ideas wanted

[Milo van der Linden]

@Tim,

I can get you in touch with the people at healthsites.io, they have a model
that is complimentary to OSM to maintain a lot of information about
healthcare around the world where not all attributes can be added to
OpenStreetMap.

2018-05-17 1:17 GMT+02:00 Kathleen Lu :

> Tim -
> For GDPR, there's not a lot of clarity yet because the regulation is only
> going into effect next week. I suspect in practice, the answer with be that
> the processing is legal because it is to fulfill the contractual terms (of
> the creative commons license requiring attribution, which is a contract
> with the data subject that basically anyone can accept), and then if
> removal is later requested, then you can remove the image in question (or
> just the attribution, if that's what the person prefers) from your site/app
> (this is polite anyway). The person will have to ask each place for
> removal, since each place is using the image is issuing it for their own
> purposes. (Generally, with an open dataset, you're not going to have a list
> of everyone who got the dataset so you can't send them an update.)
> I'm not sure if a photograph catching someone in the background would be a
> problem or not, since they are inadvertently captured and there's no other
> info about them, but I suppose it would be polite to remove or blur the
> photo if someone objected.
> -Kathleen
>
>
> On Wed, May 16, 2018, 1:16 AM Tim Frey  wrote:
>
>> Thank you Kathleen and Tobias,
>>
>> This is some very valuable insight.
>>
>>
>>
>> From our terms of use, we could likely open the content, but you are
>> right – it is about what users think. Hence, we will and can ask them.
>> Thanks a lot for rising this point.
>>
>> One rising concern, when I read your text, Kathleen, is the GDPR – what
>> happens if a user wants content deleted and it is already copied all over
>> the web by an open license. Or even worse, a user uploads a picture of a
>> scenery and there are human faces in the scenery .. and this picture is
>> distributed. I see potential problems here for us and the organizations
>> using the pictures. Additional thoughts please?
>>
>>
>>
>> I like the Wikipedia and in special the Wikivoyage direction also. Does
>> somebody know the best touchpoints to get in contact with the community
>> there?
>>
>>
>>
>> In general, I agree to what you said that manual work for content
>> filtering and legal issues would be needed – what is also one point for us
>> to discuss with the community first: We can provide the software and open
>> source the stuff, but to create valuable content for the specific use
>> cases, we’ll need the community and partners who share common goals to get
>> this successfully going. So all ideas in this direction are welcome, too.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>> *Von:* Kathleen Lu 
>> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 16. Mai 2018 00:25
>> *An:* Tobias Knerr 
>> *Cc:* Tim Frey ; talk@openstreetmap.org
>>
>>
>> *Betreff:* Re: [OSM-talk] Open sourcing of POI pictures for OSM
>> App/STAPPZ - Feedback and ideas wanted
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>> Your app and what you hope to do with it both sound interesting. I hope
>> you are successful.
>>
>> Here's some more information on the open licensing front to consider:
>>
>>  - In order to have the legal rights necessary to "open" the material
>> your users contributed, you would likely needed to have gotten a perpetual
>> irrevocable royalty-free license with an unlimited right to sublicense (not
>> limited to only your affiliates, etc), or an assignment, though the latter
>> is far more than needed.
>>
>>  - But would use of the photos/text outside of the STAPPZ app be
>> consistent with your users' expectations for their photos/text? If no, then
>> even if you can legally do it you may be passing an unwelcome burden to an
>> open community.
>>
>>  - What open license would you provide the photos/text under? CC-BY is a
>> common one for photos, though it is not inherently compatible with ODbL
>> (the license for OSM). There is however a waiver template that makes CC-BY
>> it compatible with ODbL: https://blog.openstreetmap.
>> org/2017/03/17/use-of-cc-by-data/
>>
>> There is the separate issue with CC-BY that users are supposed to
>> attribute the author. Do your users expect/want their names to be
>> attributed to the photos if they are used outside the App? This may raise
>> data privacy issues a well (especially with GDPR coming into enforcement).
>>
>>  - As for open source of the code, you'll have a choice between a
>> permissive license (e.g. MIT, BSD, ISC, DWTFYW) or a copyleft license (e.g.
>> GPL, LGPL) or something in between (MPL, Apache). Permissive licenses make
>> it easier for someone else to take over the project, though there is the
>> possibility that they will take it in a direction you do not like (e.g.,
>> build a new version but not open the code to the new 

Re: [Talk-us] Prospect Mountain Interchange Reconfiguration, Binghamton NY

[Bryan Housel]

Thanks for the heads up Andy!
Of the top of my head, I consider Russ Nelson, Kevin Kenny, Richard Welty are 
all power users in NY State (though maybe not the Binghamton area) and would be 
great for this.

I will share your message on Slack too.

Bryan




> On May 18, 2018, at 6:57 AM, Andy Townsend  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> The Data Working Group has recently received an email from someone at 
> dot.ny.gov, saying that there's a general problem with satnav directions 
> following changes to this interchange:
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/42.11451/-75.90885
> 
> Essentially, it's in the process of being changed and there will be temporary 
> reconfigurations during construction until the final layout is achieved.  
> Also, what's currently in OSM (which seems to be mostly a few years old) 
> isn't up to date.  I've explained that OSM is created by volunteers and 
> linked to https://www.openstreetmap.org/about etc. to provide a bit more 
> background.
> 
> What they've asked for is a contact within OSM who they can work with to 
> ensure that the data is updated to be correct as of now, and changed as and 
> when future changes occur.
> 
> Obviously it makes sense for the person doing this to be at least on the same 
> continent, so I'm asking for a volunteer here.  Email me via 
> ajt1...@gmail.com and I'll pass the details on.  Also, if anyone can think of 
> anyone who might want to do it and might not be reading talk-us, please pass 
> the message on to them too.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Andy Townsend, on behalf of OSM's Data Working Group.
> 
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[Talk-GB] Fwd: Tomorrow

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

Just forwarding this message about tomorrow (Saturday) in Manchester.

We're expecting about 40 people in total so should be a great event.

Best regards,
Rob


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To: 



Your Organizer, Open Data Manchester, sent the following message to some
members of Open Data Manchester:

Hello explorers!

We are really pleased that you are going to be joining us on our first Joy
Diversion.

It's going to be hot tomorrow getting into the low/mid 20s, so please bring
some sun cream if you need it.

Doors open at 12.00 for those people who aren't coming to the Open Street
Map AGM and the proceedings get under way at 12.30. We have Tea, Coffee,
Water, Orange Juice and might even be able to get hold of some biscuits
from somewhere.

The day is for everyone, with many discoveries to be made - things that
have been overlooked, taken for granted or never visited.

Like all expeditions, findings should be documented we will have notebooks,
pencils, sample bags etc., and we encourage people to be creative if they
wish. We are also introducing people to Open Street Map so people can map
using their phones.

There will be a hashtag for people on Twitter and we will use this to help
us keep track of discoveries.

The timetable of the day is below.

See you tomorrow

Julian



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Re: [Talk-it] path - stato manutentivo?

[Alfredo Gattai]

sulla singola way metti trail_visibility=no, poi se e' totalmente ostruito
puoi mettere obstacle=vegetation

vedi sotto per le opzioni

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:trail_visibility
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:obstacle

ci sono poi i tag per la relazione che puoi vedere qua

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CAI

maintenance
maintenance:it

sono stati pero' previsti per chi fa effettivamente manutenzione quindi se
non sei di una di queste squadre meglio non usarli per non interferire con
chi li usa proprio a questo scopo




2018-05-18 14:15 GMT+02:00 Roberto Brazzelli :

> Ciao lista,
> per quanto riguarda lo stato manutentivo del sentiero
> o addirittura la non visibilità totale per vegetazione o altro...
> anche solo nel pezzo iniziale..ipotesi attuabile  perchè oltre non si
> riesce ad andare ma  magari dopo  c'è ed è percorribile.
>
> Come si segnala su osm...visibilità del tracciato? suggerimenti?
> Qual'è l'approccio giusto da tenere...se è stato mappato probabilmente
> c'era ma di fatto non è percorribile...
>
> grazie
>
>
>
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[Talk-it] path - stato manutentivo?

[Roberto Brazzelli]

Ciao lista,
per quanto riguarda lo stato manutentivo del sentiero
o addirittura la non visibilità totale per vegetazione o altro...
anche solo nel pezzo iniziale..ipotesi attuabile  perchè oltre non si
riesce ad andare ma  magari dopo  c'è ed è percorribile.

Come si segnala su osm...visibilità del tracciato? suggerimenti?
Qual'è l'approccio giusto da tenere...se è stato mappato probabilmente
c'era ma di fatto non è percorribile...

grazie
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Re: [Talk-es] [geoinquietos-es] Reunión/Actividad/es comunidad OSM España en Geocamp ES (MAD

[Jorge Sanz]

Ojo que la fecha y lugar no están cerrados, vamos que seguro no va a ser en
MediaLab (ni Google Campus)

https://github.com/geocamp-es/2018/issues/1

En cuanto tengamos lugar y fecha os avisamos
On Fri, 18 May 2018 at 10:31, Miguel Sevilla-Callejo 
wrote:

> Hola (copio a listas de OSM/Talk-es y a geoinquietos),

> A la vista de algunos desencuentros y malentendidos uqe ha habido dentro
de la comunidad de OSM España y ante la necesidad acuciante de vernos las
caras de una vez para relanzar algunos aspectos organizativos de la propia
comunidad, se me ocurrió que podríamos aprovechar para vernos en la
"desconferencia" de la Geocamp-ES [1] que se celebrará en Madrid (MediaLab
Prado) los pŕoximos 20 y 21 de octubre, que organiza Geoinquietos Madrid y
en la que asistiremos personas doblemente implicados en este movimiento
"geo" y en la comunidad OSM.

> Se ha creado un github para la organización del evento y he tenido la
osadía de abrir un "issue" sobre el tema de alguna actividad/reunión/lo que
se tercie de la comunidad OMS:

> https://github.com/geocamp-es/2018/issues/2

> Como veréis solo está la idea, pero la cosa es, seǵun las ganas, hacer
una pequeña reunión, algún taller o lo que se tercie, en la línea de la
geocamp.

> ¿Cómo lo veis? ¿Nos vemos en octubre en Madrid? A buen seguro nos viene
bien vernos las caras, desvirtualizarnos y compartir más que conversaciones
de mensajería instantánea o correos electrónicos.

> Un saludo

> Miguel


> [1] De la web http://2013.geocamp.es/ --> Un Geocamp es una
geo-desconferencia, un evento en el que todos los participantes toman un
papel más activo dentro de la creación del evento. Tiene su origen en el
concepto Barcamp. Es un día para el intercambio de experiencias,
conocimientos y valores en torno a todo aquello que tenga que ver con lo
GEO y no tan GEO

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Re: [Talk-it] Osmand tra Android ed Ios

[Simone Saviolo]

Il giorno 18 maggio 2018 11:49, Alessandro Palmas <
alessandro.pal...@wikimedia.it> ha scritto:

> Ciao Riccardo,
>>
> come avrai letto lo sviluppo di app su iOS a volte è quasi un rifare la
> gran parte del lavoro.
>
> Possibile soluzione A:
> Ricordo tempo fa che OsmAnd, o su Github o sul Google group aveva una
> sezione dove si chiedevano nuove caratteristiche (o il miglioramento di
> quelle già presenti) e gli sviluppatori calcolavano ad occhio quante
> risorse sarebbero impiegate e poi partita il crowdsourcing; una volta
> raggiunta la somma richiesta ci si dedicavano prioritariamente. Se questo
> metodo fosse ancora attivo potrebbe partire un tam tam nel mondo 118 e
> penso che nel giro di un paio di settimane si raggiungerebbe la somma
> necessaria per attrarre le risorse degli sviluppatori su ciò che richiedi.
>

Sviluppare un'app per iOS non è solo questione di forza lavoro e di
competenze. Mentre pubblicare un'app su Play Store costa 25 dollari una
tantum (per creare il profilo sviluppatore, col quale si possono pubblicare
infinite app), per essere un Apple Developer bisogna iscriversi a 99 euro
l'anno; inoltre bisogna dichiarare quali dispositivi si useranno per lo
sviluppo e il test, il che si può fare solo con l'account developer (non
posso neanche iniziare a sviluppare se non pago). Infine, per poter
compilare devo usare un Mac - inoltre, ovviamente, devo avere almeno un
iPhone e/o un iPad per testare.

Per chi non vuole farsi carico di comprare un Mac solo per sviluppare e
testare, esistono anche i noleggi di dispositivi - ma non sono certo
economici. Insomma, per uno sviluppatore open source, lo sviluppo iOS è
piuttosto oneroso...

Ciao,

Simone
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Re: [Talk-it] Osmand tra Android ed Ios

[Alessandro Palmas]

Il 17/05/2018 19:17, riccardopastoc...@alice.it ha scritto:

Chiedo a tutti coloro che mi vogliono aiutare nel Progetto 118

di sollecitare i programmatori di Osmand ad equiparare le funzionalità 
di Osmand per Android a quelle per Ios.



Dopo aver fatto un gran bel lavoro sulla mappatura dei numeri civici 
sul mio territorio con Osm.


Mi ritrovo la metà degli autisti di ambulanza che hanno Android 
contentissimi ed entusiasti nel'usare l'app Osmand in emergenza sanitaria
e l'altra metà (Ios) disperati perchè l'app risulta obsoleta e 
complicata, tanto da rinunciare ad utilizzarla.


In questo caso, che parliamo di emergenza sanitaria, penso si possa 
andare oltre la diatriba tra Android ed Ios, che ne dite?


Grazie a tutti coloro che mi vogliono aiutare

Saluti
Riccardo Pastocchi



Ciao Riccardo,
come avrai letto lo sviluppo di app su iOS a volte è quasi un rifare la 
gran parte del lavoro.


Possibile soluzione A:
Ricordo tempo fa che OsmAnd, o su Github o sul Google group aveva una 
sezione dove si chiedevano nuove caratteristiche (o il miglioramento di 
quelle già presenti) e gli sviluppatori calcolavano ad occhio quante 
risorse sarebbero impiegate e poi partita il crowdsourcing; una volta 
raggiunta la somma richiesta ci si dedicavano prioritariamente. Se 
questo metodo fosse ancora attivo potrebbe partire un tam tam nel mondo 
118 e penso che nel giro di un paio di settimane si raggiungerebbe la 
somma necessaria per attrarre le risorse degli sviluppatori su ciò che 
richiedi.


Possibile soluzione B:
Non conosco le attuali dotazioni delle ambulanza, ma quasi mi stupisco 
che ogni mezzo non abbia il suo tablet fisso con installate solo poche 
app utili al soccorso. Con un tablet tra i 100 e i 150€ (non è 
necessaria una sim telefonica, basterebbe col wifi) potreste installare 
un tablet da 9" così da avere sempre OsmAnd e con la possibilità di 
aggiungere dei POI preferiti per caratteristiche non mappate o per gli 
indirizzi più ricercati.

Anche questo secondo metodo sarebbe interessante.

Alessandro Ale_Zena_IT

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[Talk-de] osmhydrant.org nicht erreichbar

[info]

Hallo zusammen,

ist vielleicht nicht die richtige Mailliste, aber trotzdem. Ich kann mich seit 
einigen Tagen nicht mehr auf die Seite osmhydrant.org einloggen. Die 
Authorisierung und der Abgleich der Daten mit meinem OSM-Konto schlägt fehl. 
Weis zufällig jemand was darüber?

Gruss und Danke
Ralph

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Re: [Talk-it] Osmand tra Android ed Ios

[Max1234Ita]

Simone Saviolo wrote
> Il giorno 17 maggio 2018 19:17, 

> riccardopastocchi@

>  <

> riccardopastocchi@

>> ha scritto:
> 
>> Chiedo a tutti coloro che mi vogliono aiutare nel Progetto 118
>>
>> di sollecitare i programmatori di Osmand ad equiparare le funzionalità di
>> Osmand per Android a quelle per Ios.
>>
> 
> 
> Si paga l'app su iOS?


Dal sito di iTunes: 
"
Information

Seller
OsmAND B.V. 
Size
218 MB
Category
Travel 
Compatibility
Requires iOS 8.2 or later. Compatible with iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch.
Languages
English, Belarusian, Burmese, Catalan, Czech, Danish, Dutch, French,
German, Greek, Hungarian, Icelandic, Indonesian, Italian, Japanese, Korean,
…

Age Rating
Rated 12+ for the following:
Infrequent/Mild Alcohol, Tobacco, or Drug Use or References
Location
This app may use your location even when it isn't open, which can
decrease battery life.
Copyright
© OsmAnd B.V.

Price
Free
*In-App Purchases
Wikipedia Free Contour lines $0.99 
North America $2.99 *
"



Ma la cosa più "simpatica" che ho letto è stata:
/"Rated 12+ for the following:
Infrequent/Mild Alcohol, Tobacco, or Drug Use or References"/

Cioè, siccome ti può dire dove trovare alcool, tabacco e farmaci, allora è
potenzialmente pericolosa per i minori di 12 anni...
A parte questo, che sembra l'estratto di una storiella sugli avvocati
americani :-) , temo che l'unica azione possibile sia far presente agli
sviluppatori per iOS che l'app è molto usata per fini di soccorso ed
operazioni in emergenza e sarebbe il caso di implementare al più presto (se
possibile) le feature mancanti (elencandole in ordine d'importanza).
"sollecitare", come si diceva sopra, mi sembra però una parola grossa,
perchè l'app è sviluppata da volontari (non so nemmeno se ricevano un minimo
compenso per ciò che fanno).

La via più veloce, invece, mi pare quella già suggerita da Martin: se non è
possibile acquistare dei terminali Android nuovi, possibile che non ci sia
nessun "benefattore" che ha appena cambiato cellulare  e sia disposto a
disfarsi (gratis) del terminale precedente, usato ma ancora integro e
funzionante?

Max





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Re: [talk-au] Correcting inland water features

[Phil (The Geek) Wyatt]

Hi folks,

 

Bay or river closing lines are defined here

 

http://www.ga.gov.au/scientific-topics/marine/jurisdiction/maritime-boundary-definitions

 

There is also the GA Coastline which may help

 

http://services.ga.gov.au/site_11/rest/services/Global_Map_Project_Australian_Base_Map/MapServer/6

 

 

Cheers - Phil

 

 

From: Andrew Wiseman [mailto:andrew_wise...@apple.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 10:07 AM
To: OSM Australian Talk List
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Correcting inland water features

 

Thanks for the feedback and suggestions everyone, that’s very helpful. We have 
also added AGRI to our list of sources.

 

Where the inland water meets the coastlines, we have seen a few different 
styles of modeling so I wanted to see if you had a local policy about it. 

 

In some cases we’ve seen things like this, where the coastline goes very far 
upstream: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/14763476#map=11/-12.4279/132.4683 

 

In other cases, the coastline is farther downstream, like where the Pine River 
stops here: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/159813122#map=14/-27.2842/153.0761

 

We were thinking the second example is better. If that’s the case for the 
Alligator River we would put the coastline here (which is also where the GA 
Surface Hydrology polygon has the river starting) 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=-12.2296501875 

 =132.402678198#map=15/-12.2293/132.4083 and change the existing coastline 
to riverbank.

 

Please let me know what you think.

 

Thanks,

 

Andrew


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On May 16, 2018, at 9:26 AM, Andrew Harvey  wrote:

 

Agreed with Warin and Ewen.

 

I'd like to point out the AGRI imagery [1], yes it's old (2006-2011), black and 
white, and missing parts of the imagery due to cloud and seams, but it may help 
as an extra source to compare. It's good enough to make out rivers and it 
should be accurate positionally since it was validated with ground surveys. CC 
BY 4.0 and usable in OSM from the blanket Geoscience Australia wavier[5].

 

GA also has a Surface Hydrology dataset [2] [3] [4] which could be used as well.

 

Some features are better tagged as a wetland 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dwetland. Local knowledge is 
always prefered, but so long as features mapped from local knowledge are not 
impacted, something mapped from other sources is better than nothing, which can 
be improved further by local knowledge.

 

I'm interested to know more about the alignment issues when they meet the 
coast, is there a specific example of where this needs work at the moment in 
OSM?

 

PS. Microsoft's Open Maps team has similar tasks at 
https://github.com/Microsoft/Open-Maps/issues/14 and 
https://github.com/Microsoft/Open-Maps/issues/11

 

[1] 
https://github.com/osmlab/editor-layer-index/blob/gh-pages/sources/australia/au/AGRIblack-and-white25m.geojson?short_path=4ca9ae8

[2] 
https://ecat.ga.gov.au/geonetwork/srv/eng/catalog.search?node=srv#/metadata/1186e898-14b5-812e-e053-10a3070a76f0

[3] 
https://ecat.ga.gov.au/geonetwork/srv/eng/catalog.search?node=srv#/metadata/12777e32-ec4f-055a-e053-10a3070a2ce2

[4] 
https://ecat.ga.gov.au/geonetwork/srv/eng/catalog.search?node=srv#/metadata/123f4803-04d7-32d1-e053-12a3070a99ac

[5] 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:GeoscienceAustralia_CCBY_Waiver_EmailAcceptance.pdf

 

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Re: [Talk-it] Osmand tra Android ed Ios

[Simone Saviolo]

Il giorno 17 maggio 2018 19:17, riccardopastoc...@alice.it <
riccardopastoc...@alice.it> ha scritto:

> Chiedo a tutti coloro che mi vogliono aiutare nel Progetto 118
>
> di sollecitare i programmatori di Osmand ad equiparare le funzionalità di
> Osmand per Android a quelle per Ios.
>

Posso garantirti che, tranne per le applicazioni Cordoba-based (e OsmAnd
direi decisamente che non lo è), lo sviluppo cross-platform è un sogno.
Anche nella migliore delle ipotesi, per ogni piattaforma è necessario
sviluppare la UI come un progetto indipendente dagli altri - e, soprattutto
in un'app come OsmAnd, la UI contribuisce all'esperienza utente per un
(iperbolico ma non troppo) 90%.

Dopo aver visto il repository su Github, posso anche dire che OsmAnd non è
nel caso che ipotizzavo prima. Quindi, non solo fare la versione per iOS
NON è "una build in più", ma NON è neanche "allineare la UI" - che pure
sarebbe già un lavoro importante. Considerando le risorse che hanno a
disposizione, fanno già molto.

Si paga l'app su iOS?

Ciao,

Simone
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[Talk-es] Reunión/Actividad/es comunidad OSM España en Geocamp ES (MAD

[Miguel Sevilla-Callejo]

Hola (copio a listas de OSM/Talk-es y a geoinquietos),

A la vista de algunos desencuentros y malentendidos uqe ha habido dentro de
la comunidad de OSM España y ante la necesidad acuciante de vernos las
caras de una vez para relanzar algunos aspectos organizativos de la propia
comunidad, se me ocurrió que podríamos aprovechar para vernos en la
"desconferencia" de la Geocamp-ES [1] que se celebrará en Madrid (MediaLab
Prado) los pŕoximos 20 y 21 de octubre, que organiza Geoinquietos Madrid y
en la que asistiremos personas doblemente implicados en este movimiento
"geo" y en la comunidad OSM.

Se ha creado un github para la organización del evento y he tenido la
osadía de abrir un "issue" sobre el tema de alguna actividad/reunión/lo que
se tercie de la comunidad OMS:

https://github.com/geocamp-es/2018/issues/2

Como veréis solo está la idea, pero la cosa es, seǵun las ganas, hacer una
pequeña reunión, algún taller o lo que se tercie, en la línea de la geocamp.

¿Cómo lo veis? ¿Nos vemos en octubre en Madrid? A buen seguro nos viene
bien vernos las caras, desvirtualizarnos y compartir más que conversaciones
de mensajería instantánea o correos electrónicos.

Un saludo

Miguel


[1] De la web http://2013.geocamp.es/ --> Un Geocamp es una
geo-desconferencia, un evento en el que todos los participantes toman un
papel más activo dentro de la creación del evento. Tiene su origen en el
concepto Barcamp. Es un día para el intercambio de experiencias,
conocimientos y valores en torno a todo aquello que tenga que ver con lo
GEO y no tan GEO

--
*Miguel Sevilla-Callejo*
Doctor en Geografía
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Re: [Talk-it] Osmand tra Android ed Ios

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Credo sia questo il codice:
https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-ios?files=1



mettete vi in rete con i 118 e chiedete al ministero di dirigere fondi da 
quelli per lo sviluppo tecnologico, per creare o estendere un’app, per esempio 
osmand.

Al livello di un singolo 118 la soluzione più economica sarebbe comprare degli 
smartphone android per l’altra metà oppure cercare se c’è un’altra app per ios 
che fa già quello che volete.

Anche maps.me è software libero.

Si può anche provare di chiedere agli sviluppatori, ma “sollecitare” mi sembra 
un termine difficile nei confronti di chi lavora gratis.

Ciao, Martin 

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Re: [Talk-it] Osmand tra Android ed Ios

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

scusate, intendevo chiudere con un punto interrogativo?


sent from a phone

> On 18. May 2018, at 10:10, Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:
> 
> Osmand non è un progetto di volontari che lavorono a tempo perso.

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Re: [Talk-it] Osmand tra Android ed Ios

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 17. May 2018, at 19:17, "riccardopastoc...@alice.it" 
>  wrote:
> 
> In questo caso, che parliamo di emergenza sanitaria, penso si possa andare 
> oltre la diatriba tra Android ed Ios, che ne dite?


direi che non è un caso di diatriba, sarà semplicemente una carenza di 
resource, Osmand non è un progetto di volontari che lavorono a tempo perso.


Ciao, Martin 
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