Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF silently sides with Russia?

[Simon Poole]

I've not been involved in this discussion at all, so it wasn't my
decision. But as we've repeated time and time again on many occasions,
the default borders in OSM are those of de facto control and recording
the fact of which country has control has nothing to do if we think that
is legit, appropriate or anything similar, it is simply recording the fact.

More on the policy can be found here
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/w/images/d/d8/DisputedTerritoriesInformation.pdf

If the Ukraine regains control of the Crimea, or there was some other
solution, we would duly record that.  In any case none of this stops you
from producing maps with other borders, however imaginary they might be.

Simon

Am 20.11.2018 um 07:15 schrieb Tomas Straupis:
> Hello
>
>   I think this needs more attention and should not be silently buried
> in archives.
>
>   OSMF/DWG has sided with Moscow to recognise illegal annexation of
> Ukraine's territory - Crimea.
>   
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Group_Minutes/DWG_2018-11-14_Crimea
>
>   Note that there was a vote in UN on this:
>   
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_68/262
>   only few countries on the level of North Korea, Zimbabwe, Russia,
> Venezuela have recognised this international crime. Does OSMF/DWG want
> to be in this group? Does OpenStreetMap has to be in this group?
>
>   PRACTICAL1: this will make it impossible to create a correct
> political map using OSM data.
>
>   PRACTICAL2: It is also EXTREMELY damaging to OpenStreetMap
> reputation. Now all opponents of OSM will be able to point fingers at
> this decision - "OSM recognises Crimeas annexation". And it now makes
> us all participate in Russian (ruled) project.
>
>   PRACTICAL3: While there are some talks about using OSM instead or
> alongside of commercial GIS solutions in the context of EU INSPIRE
> directive, such intentions will be seriously damaged by OSMF/DWG
> actions, because Europe has a very clear position of not recognising
> Crimeas annexation.
>
>   It would also be nice to know how members of DWG voted, to have more
> information on their attitudes towards Russian aggression. This would
> be important for those having a vote. But I do not know how to do that
> correctly, so that not to cause personal damage and avoid bullying.
>
>   I personally do not know how/if I can proceed with pushing
> OpenStreetMap to government or educational use...
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[OSM-talk] OSMF silently sides with Russia?

[Tomas Straupis]

Hello

  I think this needs more attention and should not be silently buried
in archives.

  OSMF/DWG has sided with Moscow to recognise illegal annexation of
Ukraine's territory - Crimea.
  
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Group_Minutes/DWG_2018-11-14_Crimea

  Note that there was a vote in UN on this:
  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_68/262
  only few countries on the level of North Korea, Zimbabwe, Russia,
Venezuela have recognised this international crime. Does OSMF/DWG want
to be in this group? Does OpenStreetMap has to be in this group?

  PRACTICAL1: this will make it impossible to create a correct
political map using OSM data.

  PRACTICAL2: It is also EXTREMELY damaging to OpenStreetMap
reputation. Now all opponents of OSM will be able to point fingers at
this decision - "OSM recognises Crimeas annexation". And it now makes
us all participate in Russian (ruled) project.

  PRACTICAL3: While there are some talks about using OSM instead or
alongside of commercial GIS solutions in the context of EU INSPIRE
directive, such intentions will be seriously damaged by OSMF/DWG
actions, because Europe has a very clear position of not recognising
Crimeas annexation.

  It would also be nice to know how members of DWG voted, to have more
information on their attitudes towards Russian aggression. This would
be important for those having a vote. But I do not know how to do that
correctly, so that not to cause personal damage and avoid bullying.

  I personally do not know how/if I can proceed with pushing
OpenStreetMap to government or educational use...

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Re: [OSM-talk] Missing country labels on default OSM.org layer

[Pierre Béland]

Sorry, you are right, right mouse (since I did inverse buttons, left mouse for 
me) to show contextual menu. 
The third option in the popup is OSM Tile Dirty.  I sent to the server the last 
local version I have to assure this fix your problem.

I generally display with Firefox and it works well. The web console shows 
instructions sent to the web for dirty.
 ex. GET https://tile.openstreetmap.org/4/2/4.png/dirty

I tried with Chrome. It also works but I have problems if I try to show the 
Development tools.
 
Pierre 
 

Le lundi 19 novembre 2018 19 h 36 min 22 s HNE, Daniel Koć 
 a écrit :  
 
  W dniu 20.11.2018 o 01:12, Pierre Béland pisze:
  
 
  This map I created let's dirty individual tiles when we click an area with 
the left mouse button. 
https://pierzen.dev.openstreetmap.org/osm-pixels/#4/65.333176/-93.885778   

 
 
Did you mean _right_ mouse button? Well, I get only:
 
 
"erreur > "
 
 
with every action, even on z19.

  

 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Missing country labels on default OSM.org layer

[Daniel Koć]

W dniu 20.11.2018 o 01:12, Pierre Béland pisze:
> This map I created let's dirty individual tiles when we click an area
> with the left mouse button.
> https://pierzen.dev.openstreetmap.org/osm-pixels/#4/65.333176/-93.885778


Did you mean _right_ mouse button? Well, I get only:

"erreur > "

with every action, even on z19.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Missing country labels on default OSM.org layer

[Pierre Béland]

Should we say «False News» : ), the name tag is in both relations and was not 
removed recently. I see the labels at levels 3 and 4.  I dont know if it has 
still an impact when we dirty at low zoom levels, but labels reappeared after I 
have dirty the tiles around the area where we see each tag. But no success at 
zooms 5 and 6. 

This map I created let's dirty individual tiles when we click an area with the 
left mouse 
button.https://pierzen.dev.openstreetmap.org/osm-pixels/#4/65.333176/-93.885778 
Pierre 
 

Le lundi 19 novembre 2018 17 h 36 min 27 s HNE, Daniel Koć 
 a écrit :  
 
 Hi,

Does anyone know what happened to the labels of USA and Canada on
standard OSM.org map? I hope we will release new OSM Carto version this
Friday and soon the low zoom levels (z0-z12) could be re-rendered, but
I'd like to be sure if something was not broken till then.

Some time ago I have proposed to render fresh low zoom tiles every
weekend (instead of 2 weeks), so such problems could be found and
repaired faster, but there's still no response from OSMF admins:

https://github.com/openstreetmap/chef/issues/184


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[OSM-talk] Missing country labels on default OSM.org layer

[Daniel Koć]

Hi,

Does anyone know what happened to the labels of USA and Canada on
standard OSM.org map? I hope we will release new OSM Carto version this
Friday and soon the low zoom levels (z0-z12) could be re-rendered, but
I'd like to be sure if something was not broken till then.

Some time ago I have proposed to render fresh low zoom tiles every
weekend (instead of 2 weeks), so such problems could be found and
repaired faster, but there's still no response from OSMF admins:

https://github.com/openstreetmap/chef/issues/184


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[OSM-talk] MapRoulette news

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi all, 

MapRoulette recently introduced Mapillary support, enhanced support for 
updating existing challenges, support for more map base layers (from the editor 
layer index), more ways to sort the Challenge list, and much more. 

Oh and I heard from a reliable source that Vespucci will support MapRoulette 
tasks soon too :)

The latest release notes are here:
3.1.0 https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mvexel/diary/46906 
 
3.1.1 https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mvexel/diary/46961 
  

Let me know if you want to create your own challenge and need help. 
Use this thread to advertise your own challenge if you have one and would like 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Plus code grid service

[Oleksiy Muzalyev]

Please, ignore my question about grid color. I solved it myself. The 
grid works fine on the OSM map with Leaflet. Colors change all right.

Brgds,
O.

On 11/19/2018 6:36 PM, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote:

Thank you for the information!

I implemented the grid on my OLC (Plus) code Generator & Search 
web-application: http://ausleuchtung.ch/olc/


It works fine. The grid appears almost immediately.

I read that it is possible to change the color of the grid, and that 
it is done via col=white or col=red. Could you, please, specify where 
I can add this option? When I add it after "tms: true," it does not work.


Best regards,
Oleksiy



On 19.11.18 16:43, Doug Rinckes wrote:
We're really excited to launch a free plus code grid service at 
https://grid.plus.codes 


(Plus codes is an open source algorithm to combine location with 
locality names, so that you can have address-like references in 
places where street addresses don't exist, like this school in 
Ghana: 8MF9+5C Sunyani. Plus codes are displayed and supported in 
Google Maps as well as some other apps.)


One of the strengths of plus codes is that they are based on a grid. 
Up to now, the only way to visualise the plus code grid was with the 
JavaScript grid overlay library, and that only worked with Google Maps.


The grid service means you can fetch the grid and overlay it on top 
of your map using any library or application that supports TMS 
requests, using either GeoJSON or image tiles. This could be a GIS 
application, or a map that uses the Google Maps, Leaflet or Open 
Layers libraries, etc.


The service also produces KML, making it possible to view the grid 
using Google Earth. Just download the file at 
https://grid.plus.codes/pluscode.kml and open it with Google Earth 
(desktop, app or web), and it will draw the grid whenever you move 
the map.


Whatever format you choose, the level of detail of the grid depends 
on the zoom level. If you zoom in, it will show more precise grid 
levels. The image tiles display the plus code for each grid square, 
the KML format displays an info bubble when you click on a grid cell, 
and the GeoJSON output includes it so you can display it any way you 
want.


For more information, see the website https://plus.codes 
 or our GitHub 
https://github.com/google/open-location-code


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Re: [OSM-talk] Plus code grid service

[Lester Caine]

On 19/11/2018 17:16, Rasťo Šrámek wrote:
A plus code is not intended to have the same function as latitude and 
longitude. It is intended as a replacement for "street name, house number"
address parts where those don't exist and cannot be reasonably created.  
If you write

Firstname Lastname
WF8R+H6 Praia
Cabo Verde

on an envelope and drop it off at your local post office, wherever you 
live, it will be delivered.


As long as they know just which code system you are using. This is just 
another in a long list of 'postcode for no postcode' areas. Have any of 
them actually gained traction on the ground?


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Re: [OSM-talk] Plus code grid service

[Oleksiy Muzalyev]

Thank you for the information!

I implemented the grid on my OLC (Plus) code Generator & Search 
web-application: http://ausleuchtung.ch/olc/


It works fine. The grid appears almost immediately.

I read that it is possible to change the color of the grid, and that it 
is done via col=white or col=red. Could you, please, specify where I can 
add this option? When I add it after "tms: true," it does not work.


Best regards,
Oleksiy



On 19.11.18 16:43, Doug Rinckes wrote:
We're really excited to launch a free plus code grid service at 
https://grid.plus.codes 


(Plus codes is an open source algorithm to combine location with 
locality names, so that you can have address-like references in places 
where street addresses don't exist, like this school in Ghana: 8MF9+5C 
Sunyani. Plus codes are displayed and supported in Google Maps as well 
as some other apps.)


One of the strengths of plus codes is that they are based on a grid. 
Up to now, the only way to visualise the plus code grid was with the 
JavaScript grid overlay library, and that only worked with Google Maps.


The grid service means you can fetch the grid and overlay it on top of 
your map using any library or application that supports TMS requests, 
using either GeoJSON or image tiles. This could be a GIS application, 
or a map that uses the Google Maps, Leaflet or Open Layers libraries, etc.


The service also produces KML, making it possible to view the grid 
using Google Earth. Just download the file at 
https://grid.plus.codes/pluscode.kml and open it with Google Earth 
(desktop, app or web), and it will draw the grid whenever you move the 
map.


Whatever format you choose, the level of detail of the grid depends on 
the zoom level. If you zoom in, it will show more precise grid levels. 
The image tiles display the plus code for each grid square, the KML 
format displays an info bubble when you click on a grid cell, and the 
GeoJSON output includes it so you can display it any way you want.


For more information, see the website https://plus.codes 
 or our GitHub 
https://github.com/google/open-location-code


Ngā mihi,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Plus code grid service

[Rasťo Šrámek]

A plus code is not intended to have the same function as latitude and
longitude. It is intended as a replacement for "street name, house number"
address parts where those don't exist and cannot be reasonably created.  If
you write
Firstname Lastname
WF8R+H6 Praia
Cabo Verde

on an envelope and drop it off at your local post office, wherever you
live, it will be delivered. If you instead wrote 14°54'59.3"N 23°30'33.8"W,
it would not even be mailed out.
You can think of a plus code as just the relevant bit of latitude and
longitude for addressing within a locality.

On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 5:38 PM, Daniel Koć  wrote:

> W dniu 19.11.2018 o 17:20, Mateusz Konieczny pisze:
> > It is still not clear to me why new way of writing latitude and
> > longitude is supposed to be interesting.
>
>
> One of the reasons might be that it's about areas (covering some
> interesting places), not points.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Plus code grid service

[Daniel Koć]

W dniu 19.11.2018 o 17:20, Mateusz Konieczny pisze:
> It is still not clear to me why new way of writing latitude and
> longitude is supposed to be interesting.


One of the reasons might be that it's about areas (covering some
interesting places), not points.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Plus code grid service

[James]

it's like saying:
 HEY GUYS! INSTEAD OF WRITING BINARY, YOU CAN NOW WRITE IT IN HEX!

not very exciting at all, just another way to represent the same thing

On Mon., Nov. 19, 2018, 11:28 a.m. djakk djakk  Well, it is possible for a human to memorize it :)
>
> Julien « djakk »
>
>
> Le lun. 19 nov. 2018 à 17:22, Mateusz Konieczny 
> a écrit :
>
>> It is still not clear to me why new way of writing latitude and longitude
>> is supposed to be interesting.
>>
>> 19. Nov 2018 16:43 by drinc...@google.com:
>>
>> We're really excited to launch a free plus code grid service at
>> https://grid.plus.codes
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Re: [OSM-talk] Plus code grid service

[djakk djakk]

Well, it is possible for a human to memorize it :)

Julien « djakk »


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écrit :

> It is still not clear to me why new way of writing latitude and longitude
> is supposed to be interesting.
>
> 19. Nov 2018 16:43 by drinc...@google.com:
>
> We're really excited to launch a free plus code grid service at
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Re: [OSM-talk] Plus code grid service

[Mateusz Konieczny]

It is still not clear to me why new way of writing latitude and longitude is 
supposed to be interesting. 

19. Nov 2018 16:43 by drinc...@google.com :

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[OSM-talk] Plus code grid service

[Doug Rinckes]

We're really excited to launch a free plus code grid service at
https://grid.plus.codes

(Plus codes is an open source algorithm to combine location with locality
names, so that you can have address-like references in places where street
addresses don't exist, like this school in Ghana: 8MF9+5C Sunyani. Plus
codes are displayed and supported in Google Maps as well as some other
apps.)

One of the strengths of plus codes is that they are based on a grid. Up to
now, the only way to visualise the plus code grid was with the JavaScript
grid overlay library, and that only worked with Google Maps.

The grid service means you can fetch the grid and overlay it on top of your
map using any library or application that supports TMS requests, using
either GeoJSON or image tiles. This could be a GIS application, or a map
that uses the Google Maps, Leaflet or Open Layers libraries, etc.

The service also produces KML, making it possible to view the grid using
Google Earth. Just download the file at
https://grid.plus.codes/pluscode.kml and
open it with Google Earth (desktop, app or web), and it will draw the grid
whenever you move the map.

Whatever format you choose, the level of detail of the grid depends on the
zoom level. If you zoom in, it will show more precise grid levels. The
image tiles display the plus code for each grid square, the KML format
displays an info bubble when you click on a grid cell, and the GeoJSON
output includes it so you can display it any way you want.

For more information, see the website https://plus.codes or our GitHub
https://github.com/google/open-location-code

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[OSM-talk] FOSDEM 2019: Geospatial Devroom - Call for Participation

[Ilya Zverev]

Hi folks,

Let me remind you that there is an annual open-source conference in Brussels, 
FOSDEM, which is the largest and most fun of all. Thousands of OS enthusiasts 
road around a dozen buildings in ULB, share their passion and enjoy waffles and 
coffee. People come from many countries, mostly Europe though.

As always, there will be a Geospatial devroom. I have made talks there since 
2016, and plan to submit one for the next year. I invite you to come to 
Brussels and join me in celebrating open source, drinking various liquids and 
discussing all things geospatial. Submit a presentation and book a ticket!

Conference website: https://fosdem.org/2019/
Geospatial devroom announcement: 
https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2018q4/002793.html

Below is a copy of the most of the announcement:

FOSDEM is a free and non-commercial event bringing together about 8000 
developers in Brussels, Belgium.

The goal is to provide open source software developers and communities a place 
to meet and share thoughts. The participation is free of charge, although 
donations are welcome.

The next edition will take place on 2 - 3 February 2019. For the fifth time 
there will be a Geospatial devroom and it will be happening on Sunday 
*3/2/2019* from 9.00-17.00!

Geospatial technologies and mapping used to be specialist work, but nowadays 
location (awareness) and maps are becoming part of many 
products/projects/applications, which usually use only a small subset of the 
possibilities the data and software offer.

The geospatial devroom is the place to talk about open, geo-/spatial related 
data and software and their community and ecosystem. This includes standards 
and tools, e.g. for spatial databases, and online mapping, geospatial services, 
used for collecting, storing, delivering, analysing, and visualizing purposes.


We welcome submissions about:

* Web and desktop GIS applications;

* Collaborative editing / versioning of geodata and metadata;

* Interoperable geospatial web services and specifications;

* Collection of data using sensors / UAVs / satellites;

* Geo-analytic algorithms / libraries;

* Geospatial extensions for classical databases (indexes, operations) and 
dedicated databases;

* Big geospatial data processing, distributed and scalable GIS applications in 
the Cloud;

* Geospatial information and Smart Cities, IoT and 
Automotive/Autonomous-connected vehicles

* Volunteered Geographic information - Crowdsourced geodata - OpenStreetMap



HOW TO SUBMIT YOUR PROPOSAL FOR A TALK

Are you thrilled to present your work to other open source developers? Would 
you like to run a discussion? Any other ideas? Please submit your proposal at: 
https://penta.fosdem.org/submission/FOSDEM19 


Make sure to select the 'Geospatial devroom' as 'Track'. If you have an account 
from previous years, you should be using the same. Please specify in the notes 
if you prefer for your presentation either a short timeslot (lightning talks 
~10 minutes) or a long timeslot (20 minutes presentation + discussion). 
However, note that time slots are indicative and will be assigned according to 
the timing of the session. The DEADLINE for submissions is Saturday **1st 
December 2018**. Notification of acceptance will be sent to the Authors by 
8/12/2017 at the latest.

Should you have any questions, please do not hesitate to get in touch with the 
organisers of the devroom via marcvloemans1 at gmail dot com! Want to know what 
FOSDEM geospatial is like? Check out the videos and the presentations of our 
previous editions.

The organizers: Jody Garnett, Anne Ghisla, Martin Hammitzsch, Marc Vloemans

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Re: [OSM-talk] cycle.travel's OSM bike routing now covers Scandinavia and Eastern Europe

[Oleksiy Muzalyev]

It is a good news.

Still it is only a part of Eastern Europe. Here is an article with the 
map of Eastern Europe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Europe


I was recently in the town of Izmail, Ukraine. Thee are quite a few 
cycling venues there. For example this new park on the shore of the 
Danube river:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/Park-Museum-aerial-1.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/Park-Museum-aerial-8.jpg

Cycling is allowed in the parks there. Local population is using 
bicycles quite a lot; in fact I was surprised by it. There are bicycle 
parking amenities even near the temples; it is possible to see a bicycle 
parking near the Izmail cathedral and a bicycle on it on this image 
after zooming in:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Intercession-Cathedral-2.jpg

I mapped some bicycle parkings, but come to think of it next time I will 
map them all.


Best regards,
Oleksiy

On 19.11.18 13:41, Richard Fairhurst wrote:

Hi all,

I've just added coverage of Scandinavia and Eastern Europe to the 
OSM-powered bike routing at https://cycle.travel/map .


New countries are Norway, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, 
Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Serbia, Kosovo, 
(North) Macedonia, Albania, Greece. Added to the existing countries, 
that makes full coverage of Europe and North America.


cycle.travel's route-planning loves quiet roads and cycleways; takes 
account of elevation, signposted cycle routes, and surfaces; and 
parses lots of OSM tags in order to get good results.


cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] cycle.travel's OSM bike routing now covers Scandinavia and Eastern Europe

[Mateusz Konieczny]

Great news! I remember checking it some time ago and now it is available!

>From quick checks it seems to give really good results in my town.
Thanks for making it available!


19. Nov 2018 13:41 by rich...@systemed.net :


> Hi all,
>
> I've just added coverage of Scandinavia and Eastern Europe to the OSM-powered 
> bike routing at > https://cycle.travel/map >  .
>
> New countries are Norway, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, 
> Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Serbia, Kosovo, (North) 
> Macedonia, Albania, Greece. Added to the existing countries, that makes full 
> coverage of Europe and North America.
>
> cycle.travel's route-planning loves quiet roads and cycleways; takes account 
> of elevation, signposted cycle routes, and surfaces; and parses lots of OSM 
> tags in order to get good results.
>
> cheers
> Richard
>
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[OSM-talk] cycle.travel's OSM bike routing now covers Scandinavia and Eastern Europe

[Richard Fairhurst]

Hi all,

I've just added coverage of Scandinavia and Eastern Europe to the 
OSM-powered bike routing at https://cycle.travel/map .


New countries are Norway, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, 
Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Serbia, Kosovo, (North) 
Macedonia, Albania, Greece. Added to the existing countries, that makes 
full coverage of Europe and North America.


cycle.travel's route-planning loves quiet roads and cycleways; takes 
account of elevation, signposted cycle routes, and surfaces; and parses 
lots of OSM tags in order to get good results.


cheers
Richard

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