Re: [Talk-us] National Forest boundaries

[Kevin Kenny]

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 7:36 PM stevea  wrote:

> Adam Franco  writes:
> > Here's an example:
> >   - Parent relation:
> > - name=Xxxx National Forest
> > - operator=United States Department of Agriculture, Forest Service
> > - ownership=national
>
> Ah, OK, If you really DO mean "parent" relation and we move into using 
> super-relations, got it; that's OK if it is what you mean to express, please 
> use the word "super-relation" (a relation of relations).  In a 
> super-relation, the term "parent" can apply to "the" (root) of the 
> super-relation, and "a child relationship" happens between the "parent 
> super-relation" and each of the member relations (which are its "children").  
> Thank you for making that explicit.  I fully anticipated that a "more 
> correct" method to do this (complex NF data relationships in OSM) might 
> necessarily "move up" to super-relations, so here we go!

I've been dealing with this level of complexity with New York State
lands for a while. What I've done has worked fairly well for me. The
legalities are similar to those for National Forests and other Federal
protected lands; in many ways, the US system is based on New York's
because Theodore Roosevelt brought it to Washington with him.

(1) The outermost layers of the most complex cases are the Adirondack
and Catskill Parks.  These are labeled 'boundary=national_park' with a
gratuitous 'protect_class=2'.  They are massive areas: the Adirondack
Park is comparable in land area to the entire Commonwealth of
Massachusetts. They are 'public-private partnerships', with most of
the land remaining in private hands, but with land use and development
very closely regulated.  They are indeed mapped, because they are well
known and very well marked: all the highways that cross them have
prominent signage like
https://www.wamc.org/sites/wamc/files/styles/medium/public/201507/adirondack-park-sign-dscn4503.jpg
or https://tinyurl.com/y9otnrb5. Moreover, all the informational
highway signs (facilities, exits, street names, route number markers,
...) change from their ordinary color schemes (black-and-white,
white-and-green, white-and-blue, yellow-and-blue, ...) to a
distinctive brown-and-gold scheme:
https://mylonglake.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/IMG_7731-Raquette-Lake-Old-Forge-Long-Lake.jpg
https://www.adirondackalmanack.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Marcy-Field-Parking-Area-sign-by-John-Warren-300x241.png
http://www.aaroads.com/shields/img/NY/NY19690161i1.jpg.

(2) Within these areas, there are areas that the state owns in
allodium (I'd say 'in fee simple' but the state is sovereign and its
title is allodial; there is no higher authority other than The
People.)  All of the state-owned lands fall under Article 14 of the
state constitution, which begins: "The lands of the state, now owned
or hereafter acquired, constituting the forest preserve as now fixed
by law, shall be forever kept as wild forest lands. They shall not be
leased, sold or exchanged, or be taken by any corporation, public or
private, nor shall the timber thereon be sold, removed or destroyed."
They have no permanent habitation. The larger contiguous ones are
generally designated, "Wilderness", but then there is a whole zoo of
other classifications: "Wild Forest", "Canoe Area", "Primitive Area",
"Intensive Use Area", ... These are mapped as boundary=protected_area
and usually leisure=nature_reserve (but sometimes they're other
things, such as campgrounds, ski areas, fish hatcheries, recreation
grounds, ... and are mapped accordingly).

Many of these areas, particularly the Wild Forests, are
extraordinarily diffuse.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6360587 is typical. They are
full of exclaves and inholdings. They're all open to public
recreation, and signed and posted wherever they're near a habitation,
a highway, or an established trail. (They may be marked with just
survey blazes, cairns and witness trees in the back country - and some
of the lines have not actually ever been surveyed. The Adirondacks are
like that!)

Where the areas share a boundary, or where the outer boundary of one
of the areas is the same as the boundary of one of the great parks,
I've been trying to replace multiple, questionably-aligned boundaries
with shared ways.  I've not got very far.  For instance - and I've not
done this yet - there is a segment across Lake Desolation Road at
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/43.1581/-73.9705=N that
is simultaneously the outer boundary of the Adirondack Park, the
Wilcox Lake Wild Forest, and the Lake Desolation State Forest.  I'd
think that that segment should be drawn only once and present with the
'outer' role on each of those three multipolygons.

The topology of these multipolygons can be horribly complex.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/32023837 is: (1) an islet. (2) An
iner way of Middle Saranac Lake. (3) An outer way of the Saranac Lakes
Wild Forest, of which much of MIddle Saranac Lake is an inner way.
Norway Island's 

Re: [OSM-talk] Facebook acquires crowdsourced mapping company Mapillary

[Mishari Muqbil]

In addition, there are several pieces that can be used as building blocks:

1. Federated / self hosted systems such email, newsgroups, RSS etc. Can be
used, perhaps using something similar to DHT that can be used to locate
images.
2. Bittorrent, webtorrent or a similar system can be used to spread data
around and serve the data
3. Interplanetary file system - p2p network for storing and sharing data

Best regards
Mishari

On Sun, 28 Jun 2020, 03:03 Marc M.,  wrote:

> Le 26.06.20 à 14:09, Florian Lohoff a écrit :
> >> I don't care about SLA. Does OSM have SLA?
> > The point is when you distribute your storage to people at
> > home we will have at most 10% of images online all the time.
>
> what facts are you basing that number on ?
> The worst internet connection I have has 98% availability.
> of course, it's not mandatory to have a pay-per-use dialup :)
> not to mention local chapters or companies with servers in datacenters
> or with fiber connection (where 2 instances of the PoC are running
> right now).
>
> > Disregarding the case that upstream bandwidth internationally
> > is pretty bad so you tend to have access times
> > for images of about 4-5 seconds at best. (3MByte image at
> > a typical ADSL upstream with 1.5MBit/s and international latencys)
>
> your logic does not correspond to a distributed storage.
> it is not "one disk that sends one photo to one user"
> it is the pool that sends the pool of requests to all users.
> if you have 1000 adsl to serve 100 simultaneous requests,
> this is the equivalent of 15Mb/s par request (minus the management).
> I leave it up to you to imagine an order of magnitude for the conversion
> between simultaneous requests and users.
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Re: [Talk-it] Nuova licenza delle tiles standard

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 27. Jun 2020, at 23:46, Andrea Musuruane  wrote:
> 
>> > Da CC-BY-SA passa a ODbL1.0?
>> 
>> 
>> no, passa a cc-by
>> La ODbL è per i dati contenuti
> 
> 
> No. Sia dati che tile saranno sotto ODbL:
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licensing_Working_Group/Minutes/2020-04-09#Tile_licence


Grazie Andrea, hai ragione, ammetto che ero un po’ distratto stasera, i tiles 
saranno pubblicati come opera prodotta con dati in ODbL.

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Re: [Talk-GB] "secret" site

[David Woolley]

On 27/06/2020 23:37, Dave Love wrote:

I was going to map a covered reservoir round here that I've known from
my youth, but I happened to find an article about it from the local
paper suggesting the location is secret, though it's listed in
Historic England.  (It's not far from a "sensitive government
establishment" that no-one locally knew about before it ceased to be
secret :-/)
Should I not map it, or pretend I didn't see the article?



How would another mapper verify this?  I normally think that people 
interpret the map only what's on the ground rule too literally, but in 
this case, I'd suggest the moral thing to do is to ignore your local 
knowledge an only map what can be seen, without guessing its significance.


(There are some road signs entitled "secret bunker", e.g. for Kelvedon 
Hatch, but I don't think this is the case here.


On the other hand, there used to be part of the North Yorkshire moors 
that had "undefined" written over it on OS maps.)


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Data OSM

[Nelson Tayou]

Dans le but d'avoir une url communicable pour test et en attendant de
trouver le bon nom, on pourrait faire *demo.openstreemap.fr
.*

Cela permettrait de rendre explicite que ce n'est pas un service mais
plutôt un démonstrateur et en mode beta.
Ensuite on pourra faire un sondage sur Loomio.

Karl

Le dim. 21 juin 2020 à 16:04, Philippe Verdy  a écrit :

> J'aime bien aussi le nom "catalogue", pour son ouverture à des
> données diverses et de sources diverses. Et mieux que "data" qui fait trop
> propriétaire. "Catalogue" reste lisible aussi par les anglophones
> (britanniques au moins, les US abrégeant toutes les finales muettes pour
> simplifier l'orthographe au mépris parfois de la sémantique).
>
> Le dim. 21 juin 2020 à 15:47, LeTopographeFou 
> a écrit :
>
>> Génial comme site !
>>
>> Comme nous n'avons pas à rougir de notre belle langue je suis pour un nom
>> francophone et n'est pas pour autant imprononçable pour un anglophone.
>> 'themes' me parait remplir les deux critères en matière de sous-domaine et
>> en plus cela illustre bien l'usage. Osmose est génial pour cela.
>>
>> Par contre pour ce qui est du nom/logo du site l'appeler juste 'Thèmes'
>> me fait tout bizarre. Mais c'est peut-être une question d'habitude.
>>
>> LeTopographeFou
>>
>> Le 20/06/2020 à 23:02, Georges Dutreix via Talk-fr a écrit :
>>
>> +1
>>
>> 20 juin 2020 21:20:39 osm.sanspourr...@spamgourmet.com:
>>
>> J'aime la dernière proposition sur Loomio : themes.openstreetmap.fr
>>
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[Talk-GB] "secret" site

[Dave Love]

I was going to map a covered reservoir round here that I've known from
my youth, but I happened to find an article about it from the local
paper suggesting the location is secret, though it's listed in
Historic England.  (It's not far from a "sensitive government
establishment" that no-one locally knew about before it ceased to be
secret :-/)
Should I not map it, or pretend I didn't see the article?  


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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Carto not updating

[Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr)]

Where is #osm-dev?  I'd like to listen in as my updates are also 
stalling with osm2pgsql ramping up to 100% while processing relations.


Lynn (D) - Running a planet-wide tile server with updates...  (or trying 
to!)


On 6/27/2020 11:20 AM, Marc M. wrote:

Hello,

Le 27.06.20 à 17:04, ET Commands a écrit :

Is something wrong with the OSM Carto servers?

one diff freeze the update
sequenceNumber=4082799
timestamp=2020-06-26T19:17:02Z
ppl on #osm-dev are working on this.

Regards,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Old phone line or old power line?

[Mike Thompson]

Thanks François!

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 3:51 PM François Lacombe 
wrote:

> Le sam. 27 juin 2020 à 20:08, Mike Thompson  a
> écrit :
>
>> Any idea whether this is an old powerline or an old phone line?  Photo is
>> geotagged, so if you download it and drop it into JOSM you can see the
>> larger context.
>>
>
> IMHO it's an old low voltage power line
> I'd recommend:
> abandoned:power=minor_line
> cables=2
> operator=?
> voltage=?
>
> Pole can be described with this:
> power=pole
> material=wood
> operator=?
> line_attachment=pin
>
> All the best
>
> François
>
>
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Re: [Talk-it] Nuova licenza delle tiles standard

[Andrea Musuruane]

Ciao,

Il sab 27 giu 2020, 21:51 Martin Koppenhoefer  ha
scritto:

>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> > On 27. Jun 2020, at 17:57, liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu <
> liste.gira...@posteo.eu> wrote:
> >
> > Perdonate ma non o capito alla fine il passaggio della licenza.
> >
> > Da CC-BY-SA passa a ODbL1.0?
>
>
> no, passa a cc-by
> La ODbL è per i dati contenuti
>

No. Sia dati che tile saranno sotto ODbL:
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licensing_Working_Group/Minutes/2020-04-09#Tile_licence

Ciao,

Andrea
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[OSM-talk] Odp: Re: Old phone line or old power line?

[marekskleciak]

What can I do to stop information from you?  I removed it many times in spam 
but your address seems to be one exception: I get messages again. This is 
nothing against you as a person or against your content. I see you are from 
Russia and I really like russian people,have many friends there.I like Russia 
as well. The reason is: my engagement in OSM is recently less, so I try to read 
only messages written from less friends.    Best regards,  Marek





Dnia 27 czerwca 2020 21:32 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk 
talk@openstreetmap.org napisał(a):



 if you want more information, you have to give more information.     
Saturday, June 27, 2020 2:23 PM -05:00 from Mike Thompson 
miketh...@gmail.com:        On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 12:21 PM Bryan 
Housel   bhou...@gmail.com  wrote: I’d tag as 
`abandoned:power=minor_line` since you said it is down in places.   
It is impossible to tell from the picture what its original purpose was, but 
this doesn’t matter much if you just want to get it mapped. Thanks Brian, I 
will proceed along those lines. I would still be interested to hear from 
experts in the utility field as to what the original purpose of the lines were. 
 Since this is in the US, one case assume standard household voltage (given the 
size of the insulators and the fact that it terminiantes at an old house in 
ruins), which back in the day was 110.  In which case, there would be a 
considerably percentage voltage drop over the many km distnace this line spans. 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Facebook acquires crowdsourced mapping company Mapillary

[Marc M.]

Le 26.06.20 à 14:09, Florian Lohoff a écrit :
>> I don't care about SLA. Does OSM have SLA?
> The point is when you distribute your storage to people at
> home we will have at most 10% of images online all the time.

what facts are you basing that number on ?
The worst internet connection I have has 98% availability.
of course, it's not mandatory to have a pay-per-use dialup :)
not to mention local chapters or companies with servers in datacenters
or with fiber connection (where 2 instances of the PoC are running
right now).

> Disregarding the case that upstream bandwidth internationally
> is pretty bad so you tend to have access times
> for images of about 4-5 seconds at best. (3MByte image at
> a typical ADSL upstream with 1.5MBit/s and international latencys)

your logic does not correspond to a distributed storage.
it is not "one disk that sends one photo to one user"
it is the pool that sends the pool of requests to all users.
if you have 1000 adsl to serve 100 simultaneous requests,
this is the equivalent of 15Mb/s par request (minus the management).
I leave it up to you to imagine an order of magnitude for the conversion
between simultaneous requests and users.

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Re: [Talk-it] Nuova licenza delle tiles standard

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 27. Jun 2020, at 17:57, liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu 
>  wrote:
> 
> Perdonate ma non o capito alla fine il passaggio della licenza.
> 
> Da CC-BY-SA passa a ODbL1.0?


no, passa a cc-by
La ODbL è per i dati contenuti


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] maj base de rendu bloquée (osm.org, osm.fr, osm.ch et surement d'autres)

[Marc M.]

Le 27.06.20 à 20:35, Jacques Lavignotte a écrit :
> Le 27/06/2020 à 17:24, Marc M. a écrit :
>> pour info, un diff bloque le maj des bases de rendu utilisant osm2pgsql,
> 
> Merci de nous informer, Marc
> 
> De quelle machine s'agit-il ?
> 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Serveurs_OpenStreetMap_France

pour osm-fr c'est https://munin.openstreetmap.fr/osm-day.html
(osm25 a en plus un bug dans son graphe, osm105 était déjà ko
par arrêt des soins palliatifs avant ce bug ci).

pour osm.org c'est https://munin.openstreetmap.org/renderd-day.html
partie "Data import lag"

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Re: [OSM-talk] Old phone line or old power line?

[80hnhtv4agou--- via talk]

if you want more information, you have to give more information.

  
>Saturday, June 27, 2020 2:23 PM -05:00 from Mike Thompson 
>:
> 
>   
>On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 12:21 PM Bryan Housel < bhou...@gmail.com > wrote:
>>
>> I’d tag as `abandoned:power=minor_line` since you said it is down in places. 
>>  
>>
>> It is impossible to tell from the picture what its original purpose was, but 
>> this doesn’t matter much if you just want to get it mapped.
>Thanks Brian, I will proceed along those lines. I would still be interested to 
>hear from experts in the utility field as to what the original purpose of the 
>lines were.  Since this is in the US, one case assume standard household 
>voltage (given the size of the insulators and the fact that it terminiantes at 
>an old house in ruins), which back in the day was 110.  In which case, there 
>would be a considerably percentage voltage drop over the many km distnace this 
>line spans.
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Old phone line or old power line?

[Mike Thompson]

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 12:21 PM Bryan Housel  wrote:
>
> I’d tag as `abandoned:power=minor_line` since you said it is down in
places.
>
> It is impossible to tell from the picture what its original purpose was,
but this doesn’t matter much if you just want to get it mapped.
Thanks Brian, I will proceed along those lines. I would still be interested
to hear from experts in the utility field as to what the original purpose
of the lines were.  Since this is in the US, one case assume standard
household voltage (given the size of the insulators and the fact that it
terminiantes at an old house in ruins), which back in the day was 110.  In
which case, there would be a considerably percentage voltage drop over the
many km distnace this line spans.

Mike
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Re: [Talk-GB] M58 / A49 Link Road Wigan - Open - Needs Mapping

[Philip Barnes]

On Sat, 2020-06-27 at 18:25 +0100, Tony OSM wrote:
> Reported in Local Newspapers 
> https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/long-awaited-20m-road-linking-18495724
> 
> the road has opened.
> 
> Can anyone point me to a definitive line to allow me to map it, or
> does 
> anyone else want to map it correctly.
> 
> There is a way marked proposed  in OSM  but I don't know enough to 
> confirm that is the correct path.
> 
Hi Tony
Have just checked the latest OS Opendata (April) and it is not there
yet, although the section that has opened is visible on Maxar imagery.

With the Maxar imagery and if you are local enough to do a survey you
should be able to fit it together and also check if it has taken the
'magical' A49 designation and if so how the former/currently mapped
part is now designated.

We do seem to lack mappers in the North West and it would be good to
get some more coverage there. 

Phil (trigpoint)


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] maj base de rendu bloquée (osm.org, osm.fr, osm.ch et surement d'autres)

[Jacques Lavignotte]

Le 27/06/2020 à 17:24, Marc M. a écrit :

Bonjour,

pour info, un diff bloque le maj des bases de rendu utilisant osm2pgsql,


Merci de nous informer, Marc



De quelle machine s'agit-il ?

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Serveurs_OpenStreetMap_France


Regards,
Marc


J.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Old phone line or old power line?

[Bryan Housel]

I’d tag as `abandoned:power=minor_line` since you said it is down in places.  

It is impossible to tell from the picture what its original purpose was, but 
this doesn’t matter much if you just want to get it mapped.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lifecycle_prefix
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Apower%3Dminor_line


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 27, 2020, at 2:08 PM, Mike Thompson  wrote:
> 
> 
> Any idea whether this is an old powerline or an old phone line?  Photo is 
> geotagged, so if you download it and drop it into JOSM you can see the larger 
> context.
> 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/6cMueDbGJPdz8Es77
> 
> It is near the location of this node:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/51241693
> 
> It runs for many km more or less along the track that above node is part of.
> 
> Wire is bare uninsulated. Most, or perhaps all, poles are still standing.  
> Wire is down in places.
> 
> How would you recommend mapping/tagging?
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance for your help,
> 
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[OSM-talk] Old phone line or old power line?

[Mike Thompson]

Any idea whether this is an old powerline or an old phone line?  Photo is
geotagged, so if you download it and drop it into JOSM you can see the
larger context.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/6cMueDbGJPdz8Es77

It is near the location of this node:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/51241693

It runs for many km more or less along the track that above node is part of.

Wire is bare uninsulated. Most, or perhaps all, poles are still standing.
Wire is down in places.

How would you recommend mapping/tagging?


Thanks in advance for your help,

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[Talk-GB] M58 / A49 Link Road Wigan - Open - Needs Mapping

[Tony OSM]

Reported in Local Newspapers 
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/long-awaited-20m-road-linking-18495724


the road has opened.

Can anyone point me to a definitive line to allow me to map it, or does 
anyone else want to map it correctly.


There is a way marked proposed  in OSM  but I don't know enough to 
confirm that is the correct path.


Tony Shield

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Re: [Talk-it] Nuova licenza delle tiles standard

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Il 27/06/20 12:51, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto:
> 
> 
> sent from a phone
> 
>> On 27. Jun 2020, at 12:24, Manuel  wrote:
>>
>> Vi segnalo questa novità sulle standard tiles di OSM
>>
>> https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2020/06/27/new-licence-for-the-standard-style-tiles-from-openstreetmap-org/?lang=it
> 
> 
> grazie per la segnalazione, come dice il testo: “ L’assurdità della 
> situazione potrebbe essere più chiara se si considera che si può prendere lo 
> stile di mappa ”licenziato” sotto la CC0, i dati di OSM e produrre le stesse 
> immagini ristrette solamente dai termini dell’ODbL per i “lavori derivati”.
> 
> 
> in realtà quindi non è un cambiamento epocale...
> 
> Ciao Martin 
> 


Perdonate ma non o capito alla fine il passaggio della licenza.

Da CC-BY-SA passa a ODbL1.0?

Se sì mi pare un bel cambiamento soprattutto per opere derivate, forse
un pò meno per obbligare i soliti noti a citare nome e licenza, mi
riferisco ovviamente all'Italia.



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[OSM-talk-fr] maj base de rendu bloquée (osm.org, osm.fr, osm.ch et surement d'autres)

[Marc M.]

Bonjour,

pour info, un diff bloque le maj des bases de rendu utilisant osm2pgsql,
entre autre celle de osm.org, osm.fr, osm.ch
sequenceNumber=4082799
timestamp=2020-06-26T19:17:02Z

On attend le correctif :)

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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Carto not updating

[Marc M.]

Hello,

Le 27.06.20 à 17:04, ET Commands a écrit :
> Is something wrong with the OSM Carto servers?

one diff freeze the update
sequenceNumber=4082799
timestamp=2020-06-26T19:17:02Z
ppl on #osm-dev are working on this.

Regards,
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[OSM-talk] OSM Carto not updating

[ET Commands]

Is something wrong with the OSM Carto servers?  I have uploaded several 
changesets in the last few hours, and none of them are showing up in OSM 
Carto.


Mark


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] listing des cinémas sur data.gouv

[Florian LAINEZ]

Je ne sais pas si le jeu de données vous a été utile pour améliorer les
données mais moi oui : j'ai commencé à corriger les noms de cinéma en
enlevant le mot "cinéma" superflus lorsque nécessaire. Le jeu de données de
demain sera plus propre :)
Si vous voulez aider il y a encore du boulot pour rajouter les liens vers
les sites Internet, pages facebook, numéros de téléphone, email ... bref
les infos de contact des cinémas.

Le ven. 26 juin 2020 à 17:31, PanierAvide  a écrit :

> À minima, il y a la liste des jeux de données qui sont publiées sur le
> compte OSM sur data.gouv.fr :
>
> https://www.data.gouv.fr/fr/organizations/openstreetmap/datasets.csv
>
> Ça peut sans doute servir de base à une documentation sur une page wiki
> ? En sachant que je ne sais pas moi-même qui gère les jeux existants
> publiés de longue date.
>
> Cordialement,
>
> Adrien P.
>
> Le 26/06/2020 à 12:00, Marc M. a écrit :
> > Le 26.06.20 à 10:59, PanierAvide a écrit :
> >> qu'est-ce qui serait à documenter, et où ?
> > si un jour quelque chose se grippe et que les fichiers ne sont plus
> > à jour sur
> > https://www.data.gouv.fr/fr/datasets/cinemas-issus-dopenstreetmap/ il va
> > chercher pourquoi ou cliquer sur "contacter openstreetmap".
> > celui chez qui cela arrive (je sais même pas qui) serra content
> > d'avoir les 4 lignes que tu viens d'écrire :)
> >
> > je ne sais pas vraiment quel est le meilleur endroit pour cela.
> > faire une page wiki.openstreetmap.org listant les différents export
> > du compte osm sur data.gouv.fr ?
> >
> > genre
> > sujet / source / hébergement / code / url
> > ciné / download.osm-fr/... / OpenDataFrance /
> > https://framagit.org/PanierAvide/GeoDataMine /
> > https://www.data.gouv.fr/fr/datasets/cinemas-issus-dopenstreetmap/
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Re: [Talk-GB] Land Registry INSPIRE data - 1 July OGL release

[Jez Nicholson]

There is also a wiki pages about
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Property_extents_in_the_United_Kingdom
 and https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ordnance_Survey_OpenData that need
updating.

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 12:41 PM Rob Nickerson 
wrote:

> Sounds like a good idea. Do you (or anyone else) have time to arrange this?
>
> As for initial ideas these inspire polygons could be useful as a source to
> check alignment, split terraced buildings into the correct number of parts
> prior to surveying the house numbers, and look for potential missing urban
> paths/shortcuts. That's a few that came to me initially but I'm sure there
> are many more.
>
> Best regards
> Rob
>
> On Sat, 27 Jun 2020, 09:50 Andrew Hain, 
> wrote:
>
>> A lightning talk could get some attention, including mappers with
>> experience of datasets elsewhere in the world.
>>
>> --
>> Andrew
>> --
>> *From:* Rob Nickerson 
>> *Sent:* 26 June 2020 20:49
>> *To:* Talk-GB 
>> *Subject:* [Talk-GB] Land Registry INSPIRE data - 1 July OGL release
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Looks like 1 July will be a big open data release day. Not only do we get
>> the USRN and UPRN data, but the land registry data will also be released:
>>
>>
>> https://www.gov.uk/government/news/inspire-data-to-be-shared-under-open-terms
>>
>> Should we attempt to coordinate something to prevent a mixture of uses
>> across those OSMers who may want to do something with this date?
>>
>> Best regards
>> Rob
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Re: [Talk-GB] Land Registry INSPIRE data - 1 July OGL release

[Rob Nickerson]

Sounds like a good idea. Do you (or anyone else) have time to arrange this?

As for initial ideas these inspire polygons could be useful as a source to
check alignment, split terraced buildings into the correct number of parts
prior to surveying the house numbers, and look for potential missing urban
paths/shortcuts. That's a few that came to me initially but I'm sure there
are many more.

Best regards
Rob

On Sat, 27 Jun 2020, 09:50 Andrew Hain,  wrote:

> A lightning talk could get some attention, including mappers with
> experience of datasets elsewhere in the world.
>
> --
> Andrew
> --
> *From:* Rob Nickerson 
> *Sent:* 26 June 2020 20:49
> *To:* Talk-GB 
> *Subject:* [Talk-GB] Land Registry INSPIRE data - 1 July OGL release
>
> Hi all,
>
> Looks like 1 July will be a big open data release day. Not only do we get
> the USRN and UPRN data, but the land registry data will also be released:
>
>
> https://www.gov.uk/government/news/inspire-data-to-be-shared-under-open-terms
>
> Should we attempt to coordinate something to prevent a mixture of uses
> across those OSMers who may want to do something with this date?
>
> Best regards
> Rob
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Re: [Talk-GB] Land Registry INSPIRE data - 1 July OGL release

[Tony OSM]

Agree with -

My preference was for ref:GB:uprn and ref:GB:usrn,

Can we put onto the Wiki as placeholders and ask people to refrain from 
changes until agreement on how best to use them and apply a source 
reference.
I'm thinking that the data may be more accurate than our existing 
methods allow, so what will be policy of updating OSM data with new 
shapes from INSPIRE.

Tony Shield
TonyS999

On 27/06/2020 08:58, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote:

On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 20:50, Rob Nickerson  wrote:

Looks like 1 July will be a big open data release day. Not only do we get the 
USRN and UPRN data, but the land registry data will also be released:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/inspire-data-to-be-shared-under-open-terms

Should we attempt to coordinate something to prevent a mixture of uses across 
those OSMers who may want to do something with this date?

I'm not sure about the INSPIRE polygons, but for USRNs and UPRNs, I'd
imagine it will be useful to add these identifiers to the appropriate
OSM objects. (I can see doing this being very useful in terms or
measuring completeness in OSM, and finding missing streets/properties
to add.) To that end, we should agree on a tagging to use for these
references. I started a conversation at
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2020-April/024383.html
about this. My preference was for ref:GB:uprn and ref:GB:usrn, though
I think there were some people arguing for the simpler ref:uprn and
ref:usrn.

Does anyone have any details of the specifications of the UPRN, USRN
or INSPIRE releases? For example, I'm assuming we won't get the
addresses with the UPRNs, just the coordinates, but will they be
linked to streets (via USRNs) and will each include a type/class? Will
we get street names with the USRNs? For the INSPIRE polygons will we
just get the INSPIRE ID, or will it be linked to LAnd Registry title
numbers or UPRNs?

(Depending on exactly what we get, it could be very useful for adding
and checking postcodes. e.g. if we have all the UPRNs that are tied to
a single USRN, and we know there's only one postcode centroid on any
of them, it's a good bet those properties all have the same postcode.)

Robert.



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Re: [Talk-it] Nuova licenza delle tiles standard

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 27. Jun 2020, at 12:24, Manuel  wrote:
> 
> Vi segnalo questa novità sulle standard tiles di OSM
> 
> https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2020/06/27/new-licence-for-the-standard-style-tiles-from-openstreetmap-org/?lang=it


grazie per la segnalazione, come dice il testo: “ L’assurdità della situazione 
potrebbe essere più chiara se si considera che si può prendere lo stile di 
mappa ”licenziato” sotto la CC0, i dati di OSM e produrre le stesse immagini 
ristrette solamente dai termini dell’ODbL per i “lavori derivati”.


in realtà quindi non è un cambiamento epocale...

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[Talk-it] Nuova licenza delle tiles standard

[Manuel]

Vi segnalo questa novità sulle standard tiles di OSM

https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2020/06/27/new-licence-for-the-standard-style-tiles-from-openstreetmap-org/?lang=it

⁣Manuel Tassi

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[Talk-es] Porqué no figuran las aguas territoriales de Ceuta y Melilla y la frontera de Marruecos está sobre las costas de esas ciudades?

[José Sánchez]

Eso me preocupa también. Podrías arreglarlo o moverlo con otros para
corregir ese estropicio pro marroquí? Gracias

El jue., 25 jun. 2020 14:29, Jorge Sanz Sanfructuoso 
escribió:

> Buenas
>
> Se ha comentado por Telegram y la mayoría ya lo sabreis. Facebook ha
> comprado Mapillary.
> https://blog.mapillary.com/news/2020/06/18/Mapillary-joins-Facebook.html
>
> En Telegram algunos tuvimos conversación sobre el tema. No voy a pasar
> mensajes copiados directamente porque ya andan perdidos entre muchos
> mensajes. Intentaré hacer un pequeño resumen. Añadir lo que se me escape.
>
> Se ha tenido diferencia de opiniones sobre lo bueno o malo de esto. En su
> mayoría cuanto de malo es esta compra por parte de facebook. Facebook es el
> diablo, Facebook va a usar las fotos para otras cosas como reconocer las
> caras de la gente, localización de comercios, realidad aumentada,
> Se ha hablado de las prácticas que lleva facebook y las mentiras por
> ejemplo en la adquisición de whatsapp, que nunca iban a juntar esa
> información con la de facebook.
>
> Posibles medios para borrar todas las fotos de Mapillary y como
> descargarlas antes.
> Borrar todas las fotos:
> https://framagit.org/Midgard/exit-mapillary
> Descargar todas las fotos:
> https://github.com/gitouche-sur-osm/mapillary_takeout
>
> Por otra parte según indican en el blog van a dar acceso comercial a las
> fotos procesadas.
>
> Y se ha hablado sobre la alternativa más parecida que
> tenemos, OpenStreetCam. Se ha comentado que es lo mas parecido pero que no
> llega ni por asomo a Mapillary.
>
> Me gustaría que la gente opinara del tema y también que indicará si ha
> hecho o no contribuciones anteriormente a Mapillary o si ha usado los datos
> de Mapillary de alguna manera. Esto último no se ha comentado en telegram
> por la parte que ha opinado y creo que es importante.
>
> Mi opinión
>
> Por mi parte he subido bastantes fotos a Mapillary con diferentes cámaras,
> algunas que he ganado y me ha dado Mapillary. También he usado bastante los
> datos extraídos de las imágenes. Tanto directamente desde el plugin de
> JOSM, como cogiendo información que saca Osmose de las fotos, como
> usandolas en Pic4Review.
>
> La cantidad de información que sacados desde mapillary no es ni comparable
> a la que saca la alternativa más parecida, OSC. Me fastidia mucho que pueda
> tener facebook mayor acceso a las fotos, pero mas me fastidia que nos
> pongamos zancadillas a nosotros mismos. Mapillary nos da acceso fácil a
> muchísima información útil y difícil de conseguir para darla por perdida.
> La manera que voy a tener de sacar fotos y añadirlas a Mapillary tengo
> claro que va a cambiar, ya está cambiando, ya no es el único sitio donde he
> subido mis últimas fotos sacadas recientemente. Aunque por mi parte lo vea
> un error entiendo el punto de vista de la gente que no quiere darle
> absolutamente nada a facebook y lo respeto.
>
> El tema de borrar todas las fotos de Mapillary creo que no va a solucionar
> nada, si acaso nos quita acceso. Pero las imágenes, ya ha pasado en el
> propio facebook que no las borraba realmente, así que no creo que sirva de
> mucho. Pero cada uno es libre de hacer lo que considere mejor.
>
> OSC es un proyecto que nunca me ha terminado de gustar. Se ha comentado
> alguna vez por aquí. Va de libre pero yo no la veo tan libre como dice.
> Además el desarrollo está bastante parado. Veo que cogen fotos si pero ha
> cambio no dan mucho. Además ayer se comentó algo de un cambio de licencias
> perdido en los mensajes de telegram que tampoco me he puesto a mirar en que
> repercute. En su momento cuando probé OSC lo vi muy rudimentario. Y lo he
> vuelto a probar ahora y no ha cambiado nada. De cualquier manera ya ando
> viendo como subir las fotos tanto en Mapillary como en OSC por lo que pueda
> pasar. Y también creo que es el momento de que OSC se pusiera las pilas y
> demostrara que puede ser útil para OpenStreetMap.
>
> Es un tema que estaré muy expectante de cómo se va desarrollando, y
> pendiente de si facebook hace alguna de las suyas. Pero hoy por hoy, aunque
> la manera de funcionar de facebook no me guste, no veo alternativa, y en
> principio lo que es darnos información no va a cambiar la cosa. Viendo que
> está colaborando en otras partes de OpenStreetMap, esa parte no creo que
> cambie, por lo menos a corto plazo.
>
> Perdon por el tostonazo.
>
> Espero vuestras opiniones.
>
> Saludos.
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Land Registry INSPIRE data - 1 July OGL release

[Andrew Hain]

A lightning talk could get some attention, including mappers with experience of 
datasets elsewhere in the world.

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From: Rob Nickerson 
Sent: 26 June 2020 20:49
To: Talk-GB 
Subject: [Talk-GB] Land Registry INSPIRE data - 1 July OGL release

Hi all,

Looks like 1 July will be a big open data release day. Not only do we get the 
USRN and UPRN data, but the land registry data will also be released:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/inspire-data-to-be-shared-under-open-terms

Should we attempt to coordinate something to prevent a mixture of uses across 
those OSMers who may want to do something with this date?

Best regards
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Re: [Talk-GB] Land Registry INSPIRE data - 1 July OGL release

[Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)]

On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 20:50, Rob Nickerson  wrote:
> Looks like 1 July will be a big open data release day. Not only do we get the 
> USRN and UPRN data, but the land registry data will also be released:
>
> https://www.gov.uk/government/news/inspire-data-to-be-shared-under-open-terms
>
> Should we attempt to coordinate something to prevent a mixture of uses across 
> those OSMers who may want to do something with this date?

I'm not sure about the INSPIRE polygons, but for USRNs and UPRNs, I'd
imagine it will be useful to add these identifiers to the appropriate
OSM objects. (I can see doing this being very useful in terms or
measuring completeness in OSM, and finding missing streets/properties
to add.) To that end, we should agree on a tagging to use for these
references. I started a conversation at
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2020-April/024383.html
about this. My preference was for ref:GB:uprn and ref:GB:usrn, though
I think there were some people arguing for the simpler ref:uprn and
ref:usrn.

Does anyone have any details of the specifications of the UPRN, USRN
or INSPIRE releases? For example, I'm assuming we won't get the
addresses with the UPRNs, just the coordinates, but will they be
linked to streets (via USRNs) and will each include a type/class? Will
we get street names with the USRNs? For the INSPIRE polygons will we
just get the INSPIRE ID, or will it be linked to LAnd Registry title
numbers or UPRNs?

(Depending on exactly what we get, it could be very useful for adding
and checking postcodes. e.g. if we have all the UPRNs that are tied to
a single USRN, and we know there's only one postcode centroid on any
of them, it's a good bet those properties all have the same postcode.)

Robert.

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