Re: [OSM-talk] [Mapcss] Web browser mapping test
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 15:57:42 +0300, Komяpa m...@komzpa.net wrote: and point it to URL http://kothic.org/js/ Hey, just wanted to say that it looks awsome! Great work there! Sebastian pgpXZFSjB963I.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Collecting public transportation time tables
Peter Miller wrote: I wound be very interested to see the first time that a transport authority took a person to court for promoting their services but there may be a first time! I do suggest that this is a different project from OSM though. Like this? Berlin Metro Bans Free iPhone Timetable Application http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/11/berlin-metro-ba.html Admittedly not a court case, but they do claim copyright and what'snot on their timetable data. spaetz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Yahoo WMS server?
Nic Roets wrote: On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Till Harbaum / Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been told that the yahoo license permits derivative works which also is the reason why potlatch and josm are making use of this. Wouldn't a server distrubuting slightly converted/scales/cropped images not also provide just derivative work? Perhaps. Or do they just allow derivation of vector data by hand ? I have not been involved in that, but this is what I believe. Yahoo checked our usage and said (from memory, no guarantee): As long as you use the web API (ie access the tiles from within a browser, deriving vector data is ok from those tiles. I would be *very surprised* if converting,scaling and cropping were tolerable by Yahoo. Indeed, I am pretty much sure it would not be OK. spaetz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Edit war on the wiki map features
Per wrote: Now we can see a big discussion, but no one did anything constructive! One thing is clear, we need a tag to describe the usability of ways. If you don't like smoothness invent a better scheme! Smoothness is better than nothing. surface=cobblestones/paved/gravel/sand/dirt/grass width=1m/2m ele=100m vs ele=150m ? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Where have all the contributors gone?
80n wrote: In my case I've run out of stuff to map. Can someone build some more roads please? ;) Same here. Or at the very least rename some roads please :-) spaetz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Legal-general] Ordnance Survey tries to reinforce its stranglehold over derived geographic data in the UK
Frederik Ramm wrote: All OS are doing is clarifying that a normal OS customer will probably *not* have the right to grant others (Google) a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free license. This is true for OSM as well; my reading is that we must not display OSM data (say, a KML file we have generated from our data) on top of a Google map, because the above clause would then give Google rights to our data which are incompatible with CC-BY-SA. In conclusion, if someone says the OS is reinforcing its stranglehold, then the CC-BY-SA license forces us to do the same... Interesting, I had never thought about this, but it does make sense. So google effectively claims gratis usage right to all collective works displayed using the Gmaps api?! spaetz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] natural=peak, ele vs. elevation
David Carmean wrote: I want to place some hilltop/mountaintop peak nodes, and I see that there's a discrepancy between the instructions on the Features page and what, for example, Osmarender wants. Osmarender seems to want elevation while the wiki recommendation is for ele. What does Mapnik want? Which is correct? I don't see any osmarender rule for elevation but some for ele, eg. osm-map-features-z16.xml: rule e=node k=ele v=* ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Markers on the slippy map
Gervase Markham wrote: Ulf Lamping wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=51.64685mlon=-0.14641zoom=15 But then how would you get a marker on the Osmarender layer? Cutting the stuff out of the export tab thing, I get: http://www.openstreetmap.org/export/embed.html?bbox=8.60015,47.38736,8.6241,47.4041layer=osmarendermarker=47.39622,8.61168 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] UK Industrial Estate Roads
David Earl wrote: On 07/11/2008 06:48, Joshua Scotton wrote: Hi, I added some streets recently on an industrial estate and tagged them highway=road as I'm not sure what other tag to use. They are roads on a uk industrial estate with the normal white lines in the middle of the road. Should I use something like highway=industrial, or something else? Usually highway=service Personally, I'd use highway=unclassified (which is like residential but without residents :-)) But hey, as long as it renders and makes sense to you... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering of paths + place=locality in general
Ulf Lamping wrote: Come on. There is no the renderer, you can set up your own if you like. Anyone can. Of course, I could climb on the top of the mount everest - in theory. In practise I would need a lot of time to learn how to do that. Yes so what? I learned how osmarender styles worked without knowing a thing about XSLT. And everyone who has ever looked at CSS would be able to copy'n paste his way to a new style in osma. BTW: By saying anyone can someone can easily understand this as ... and if you can't, you're a lazy idiot. No he isn't. He is saying that some people were bothered so much by their perceived lack of rendering that they invested the efforts to learn how to do styles while others aren't. Others don't seem to be bothered enough to trigger any action. Nothing to do with lazyness. When I started to work on the map display, I was asking on the list how to improve the POI display in general - My idea was that putting the POIs on the map will encourage mappers to actually add this stuff to the database. You know, stuff that you see is actually a lot more interesting than stuff that you don't see :-) The answers I got from the list for both mapnik/osmarender can be summarized as: We don't want to have those icons on our map, this will look ugly. Whoever told you this told bullshit :). I as current th server operator was/am imaging a POI layer on [EMAIL PROTECTED] for quite some time. All it takes is a person that is annoyed enough by the lack of POIs to do the osma stylesheets for such a POI layer. I have been communicating that for a while and nobody has stepped forward to create them. This is the only reason why [EMAIL PROTECTED] has no POI layer. I invite you or whoever wants such a layer to commit the necessary stylesheets to SVN. So yes, the list (if this is what you meant with we?) actually prevented me to work on the mapnik/osmarender maps ... We, is whoever is *actually* doing things. You are apparently investing lots of effort in JOSM rendering and it has therefore improved tremendously. In this case we is you. :-) spaetz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?
Matthias Julius wrote: IMHO, if someone has the authority to put something on Map Features someone also has the authority to change or remove something or mark it as deprecated. Let me disagree. You are implying that just because I can add stuff to map features, I can also decide to mark all highway=* as deprecated? I think we should supercede highway=* with path=* because that makes so much more sense. ;-) Well, whole Map Features is about how people should tag things (not how they must tag things). The first paragraph says that you can tag how you want but this is the core recommended feature set. If something is not recommended anymore it needs to be marked as such and eventually removed. Let me disagree here too. It's not about people *should* tag things. It is a collection of tags that many people use to tag specific things often together with a list of applications that can make use of the tags listed. It's not normative, it's a help for me if I want to tag a gate and let's me quickly discover how others have tagged gates and it (hopefully ) also let's me discover which renderers make use of that tag. spaetz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data
Joseph Gentle wrote: Can we get a vague show of hands about what people think of this? I don't think its worth discussing for more than a day or so. If this issue is too contentious, we can let contributors decide with an option on their user page or something. +1 wikipedia version If you want to retain hooks and catches (do whatever you want but never draw obscene figures in my road network) this license will not be any better than the existing one. This PD thing is about simplicity. spaetz ___ legal-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Process for agreeing the new licence
Peter Miller wrote: Richard: Can I assume that you are in agreement with the 'brief brief' or do you want to suggest any changes? We really don't want people to stay silent now and then raise issues if we produce a licence that delivers on exactly that description. I like the way CC (used to?) present their license. they basically had three tabs that said machine readable form legal mumbalese and human understandable with the last being what the brief brief is. At least this is how I remember their website from a view years ago. spaetz ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of conduct for automated (mass-) edits
Nick Barnes wrote: Frederik Ramm wrote: One example to which I took exception is ... changing Strasse in the name to Straße, which is the correct spelling (but nonetheless Strasse is often found on signs). Straße may well be the correct spelling in German speaking countries, but it certainly isn't in the UK. (e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.7998lon=-1.75262zoom=17layers=B000FTF). Slightly OT, but it's not even valid for German speaking countries. Switzerland doesn't even have the ß letter, so it uses Strasse as correct and proper spelling. spaetz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of conduct for automated (mass-) edits
Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Frederik Ramm wrote: I am in favour of setting up a code of conduct for automated edits. Hi Frederik, while i have full understanding and sympathize with your approach, I am doubtful about its outcome. Those who will read and follow the code of conduct are not those who will blindly break stuff. Those who don't think through their actions and do a 30 line script in python/PHP/... that breaks stuff will break things, and they won't read through the code of conduct anyway. Same with a type of robots.txt tag on nodes. Those adhering to those conventions are not the ones who would break things. Still, can't hurt so why not explicitly document stuff... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] pronunciation tag
Lauri Hahne wrote: I think some standard form should be used if we ever want to do something like this. Although IPA is the official standard, it isn't very computer or user friendly. Therefore I think something like SAMPA, MRPA or X-SAMPA should be used. These are used to some extend among linguistics and are all based on ASCII. These would also relieve the pain of trying to figure out what something would be in phonetic pseudo-english. pronounce=deevisadeero or something similar readable by humans and flying computers that talk. Yes, I am also for something more standard like SAMPA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAMPA_chart_for_English ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands
elvin ibbotson wrote: As I understand it the numbers are not the problem, it arises from people not knowing which is the right number to use (eg. England/Scotland border admin_level 2 or 4?). This is why I think numbers are useful in the data but users should not have to know what numbers to use. Rather they should be presented with choices using words they understand which then put the right numbers in the database. The problem is not at all about whether you let user choose a number or from a list of wordings. The issue at hand here is whether Wales country border is of the same type as Austria's is. This is what wars are fought over and you cannot solve the issue by either numbers or by having people select from a list municipal or country border. Yes, I'm sure they would rather pick from such a menu. Mapping to the relevant boundary and admin_level tags should be trivial as the wiki page manages it. I'm sure implementations are welcome. The issue is not at all whether there's a nice drop down list or not. People work already using descriptions on the wiki. However what constitutes a country border is open to interpretation, apparently. spaetz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Blue tiles tagged Unknown Type in Osmarender
Neil Penman wrote: I've found a few of the blue unknown type tiles in Europe shown by Osmarender. There is one in the UK just west of Exeter and several in France south of Bourges. Anyone know what is causing the problem? The lowzoom stitcher downloads from the new captionless layer. and these tiles have not been generated for a large part of the world. The only solution so far is to request a rerender of the corresponding z12 tiles. spaetz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] precompiled navit bin-files
Florian Lohoff wrote: BTW: Are navit map binarys files endianess clean? I mean do i386 generated binfiles work on PPC or mips(big endian)? Or does it work to generate 32bit i386 files run with an x86_64 navit? The precompiled binary maps will run on a PPC just as well as on i386. However, the osm2navit tool to produce these maps will not work on a Big Endian platform. spaetz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM support in KDE's Marble
Inge Wallin wrote: 3. Marble is not only an application, it's also an embeddable widget that you can use in other applications. So if you want to show some OSM in any application, use the marble widget and you're done. Phantastic work, Inge and others, thanks. Just as a piece of information: there is also an embeddable GTK widget that acts as a mapviewer. See: http://www.johnstowers.co.nz/blog/index.php/2008/05/21/frantic/ which looks like it has some potential. spaetz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] area topology
On Tue, 13 May 2008 23:25:39 +0200 Raphaël Jacquot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the boundary of the forrest run in parallel to the road is actually the correct way to do it. this is what you say. I say sharing nodes of the forest and the road is actually the correct way to do it. Why can't people accept that sometimes there is simply no agreed correct way of doing things. spaetz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] area topology
Shaun McDonald wrote: If you have a road and stream running parallel they would be entered as 2 ways that are parallel. The same happens for the carriageways of a motorway that are separated by a barrier. Well, let's say that this is also controversial and we had that discussion before. Personally I use sharing nodes when I have a forest that borders on a motorway, for example. So, there might not be the one solution for all. Either parallel ways that are next to each other or share nodes... spaetz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools
Frederik Ramm wrote: Once we have a few applications in place that get viewed by *many* people, we could just have a button somewhere along the margin of the page that says: I know the area and what I see here looks correct. Given that this will be the default very soon ( :-) ), I'd rather have the notes API where people can click and say: there are streets missing here, I know that. No warm fuzzy feeling, but more helpful in identifying weak spots. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Online/offline slippy map finished.
Frustrated by the lack of a nice map viewing tool for my eee pc, I have written my own hack. It's a local OpenLayers installation that is served by a python script (stock python, no additional libs). If the tile does not exist yet, it will be downloaded from the OSM tile server and be stored locally, so those tiles will be available for offline viewing. Tiles will be downloaded and stored in a directory called 'tiles' in the pyweb directory. If anybody finds it useful that is cool, otherwise I have just scratched my itch. It's a total of 56 lines of code including the license... so go figure how elaborate my error checking is. It works for me though... Including a stock OpenLayers 2.6, the tar.bz2 is 128kb How to install: 1) wget http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~spaetz/pymap.tar.bz2 2) tar xvjf pymap.tar.bz2 How to run: 1) cd pymap 2) python pyweb (or ./pyweb) 3) visit http://localhost:8000 and have fun. How to uninstall: 1) delete pyweb directory spaetz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Online/offline slippy map finished.
Sebastian Spaeth wrote: Frustrated by the lack of a nice map viewing tool for my eee pc, I have written my own hack. It's a local OpenLayers installation that is served by a python script (stock python, no additional libs). If the tile does not exist yet, it will be downloaded from the OSM tile server and be stored locally, so those tiles will be available for offline viewing. Tiles will be downloaded and stored in a directory called 'tiles' in the pyweb directory. If anybody finds it useful that is cool, otherwise I have just scratched my itch. P.S. This will only work on Unix'y systems as it assumes the path separator '/'. P.P.S. Ctrl-C will kill the pyweb server. Sorry, forgot to note that in the first place spaetz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Online/offline slippy map finished.
Nick Black wrote: Great idea - this could be really useful. I get lots of errors running on OS X 10.5.2 though: File ./pymap, line 47, in do_GET if e.errno == os.errno.ENOENT: AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'errno' I guess this should work on all (unixy) OS then: -import urllib,re,os,sys,stat +import urllib,re,os,sys,stat,errno - if e.errno != os.errno.EEXIST + if e.errno != errno.EEXIST - if e.errno == os.errno.ENOENT + if e.errno == errno.ENOENT I updated the tar ball on dev.openstreetmap.org as well. spaetz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Online/offline slippy map finished.
Andy Allan wrote: I'll need to check this out - I've found it frustrating trying to demo the map even if I'm carrying my laptop around. On the vague chance that there's wireless available, all I get is ooh, that's really slow when it's the crappy wireless that's the problem :-) Simple local caching sounds good. Last public post on this toy, I promise. Some people thought it might be useful so it's here now: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/viewer/pymap I haven't tested how well it performs (Simplicity was the first goal), but it will certainly be better than a crappy wlan. It would also be trivial to make it update old local tiles on demand. I agree that this would be ideal to showcase OSM maps e.g. at conferences where WLAN is existent but horrible. spaetz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Online/offline slippy map finished.
Nick Black wrote:
Cool - its all working now.
Is there any cache expiry for tiles or is it a case of deleting the
tile directory?
No expiry so far, but it would be easy to make it so. All the pieces are
ready, basically.
Until then, just deleting old tiles must do.
find tiles -mtime 30 -exec rm {} \;
will delete all tiles that are older than 30 days, for example. Use that
command with great care.
Sebastian
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Re: [OSM-talk] contours on main map
Robin Paulson wrote: is there any intention to include contours on the main map at any point? would it be possible to have them as a static layer (i.e. they not be re-rendered every week like the mapnik images, to save processing time), with a transparent background? alternatively, are there any world wide maps out there with contours and osm data, that update regularly? You might want to look at http://www.maps-for-free.com/ which offers colored relief tiles which can be included as an OpenLayers layer. You would need transparent tiles with OSM data as an overlay then. Sebastian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Please enable commercial use
Frederik Ramm wrote: I think the biggest problem for commercial users is probably the fact that they can't get legal info from us - if they ask can we do X then our response will always be read the license and ask a lawyer. I agree, that is very unsatifactory. It is even inconvenient to me as a private person, and it is a killer argument for commercial firms. If they say but I would really like to do X, if you give me in writing that I can do X I'll give you $10.000 and print OSM adverts on every GPS I sell, then we still cannot say it because we're not the owners of the data. In Linux that problem is solved by companies bying their product from Redhat, including some kind of insurance that RedHat provides. If there are legal hassles, then Redhat would be sued and RedHat would have to deal with the 2 copyright holders and not the end-user (if you are not SCO and live in a parallel universe). spaetz ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Please enable commercial use
Nick Black wrote: Seriously, you can't actually expect OSM to change its license because of what a well-intentioned small company might do. No, but as long as we can't even tell a company that might use maps in their books on whether those books will be under the CC_BY_SA or just the images etc., the viral nature hurts more then it helps. We can't even tell them whether it's sufficient to print (c) by OSM and contributors or whether they have to add an appendix with 1 names to each book. It causes unneccessary hassle and make the usage of that data more difficult if not impossible. spaetz ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Please enable commercial use
Gervase Markham wrote: The notion of derivative works is a fairly well defined one under copyright law. Many, many companies deal with this concept every day. -Right, so having an overlay with proprietary data on an OSM map is derived? As a separate layer? If it's merged in one image instead, is it then derived? -If I print a book with pretty OSM maps which are used to describe bicycle routes. Is the map figure derived, the route description or the book? -If I print an OSM map in my book, do I derive work from OSM and attribute them? Or do I derive from the works of 10,000 contributors and have to print a 200 page appendix to my 10page leaflet, naming all contributors? -If I am a company in Togo, does copyright law from the US or Togo apply? As a foreign company, would I dare to get myself into possible trouble as some OSM contributor in Utah sues me there? I am not so sure that copyright is very well defined and clear cut for all of these uses. In some countries you can transfer your copyright to others, in some countries that is not possible at all. I am not saying these issues are not solvable, but they make things very complicated and ambiguous. spaetz ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] SVG of length of Thames
Christian Nold wrote: Any chance someone could implement an SVG export from Osmarender from the website or look at some of the issues of the Mapnik one? You might want to talk to Mario, our Google Summer of code student who is working on customized osmarender output. Sebastian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Users whose contributions are in the public domain
Vincent MEURISSE wrote: I don't understand why some users want their work in PD. The goal of osm is to have a map of the world freely available for anyone. But with PD someone (eg google) can take all the work of osm, correct and complete it, and copyright it in a way that osm cannot reuse the modification. So the copyrighted map will be better than the free one. I know this debate. It is carried out by BSD'lers versus GPL'ers constantly and depending on what your respective definition of freedom is, each side can be right. There is just no universal answer what constitutes free use. As a PD'ler I can tell you that I just want to avoid that we have to display a 1000 names of contributors in a corner of our map, that I would like to be able to overlay data on an OSM map without having to worry whether I am allowed to do that, etc. The license cc by-sa is a good protection against that as it will always allow osm to use derivate work of the original map. If you have ever looked at our legal list, you will have noticed that it is basically impossible to follow that license, that we don't even get it right ourselves. Nobody can tell you what will constitute a derivative work and what not. If you ask for permissive uses and the only answer you will get from the organization that produces the data ask a lawyer, we can't/won't tell you, then that license is clearly not right. spaetz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Relaunch openstreetmap.de
Richard Fairhurst wrote: I really like http://www.openstreetmap.de/123/ you like it just because step 4 out of the 123 is start potlatch. admit it! ;-) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Beyond Zoom 18 - (Some scratchspacing ideas concerning siteplans)
Tom Hughes wrote:
[snip]
if ($email=~/should/ and $email !~ /I will make it so/) then
{print work harder unpaid slaves!}
Well the dev server is over that way if somebody wants to volunteer to
setup and run such a service. I'm sure Spaetz will oblige with an
account on dev if required.
Yes, I will happily hand out accounts for anybody willing to implement
that. :-)
Spaetz
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] GSoC applications are in! MENTORS wanted
Hakan Tandogan wrote: I am an self-employed Computer Scientist with lots of experience in databases and web applications. I live and work in Germany. Hi Hakan (I can probably talk in German with you :-)) thanks for volunteering, I have accepted you as a mentor. You can now click on any proposal you like and say that you are willing to mentor a proposal (such as the geonames one). I can't enter info like this myself. Google seems rather strict with this. Honestly, I was wondering about the Geonames project application. I am not sure (from a license point of view) that we can import Geonames data, as they also require attribution. spaetz CC dev list to get some feedback on the license issues involved. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] GSoC applications are in! MENTORS wanted
Nick Black wrote: And because they derive from Google Maps, more importantly. I think we should be a bit more careful with such statements. Nowhere on the geonames page do they say that data is, or should be, derived from Google Maps. What? Geonames allows you to move and edit data which is overlaid onto a Google Map. Go to http://www.geonames.org/maps/cities.html and click on a city. It is true that http://www.geonames.org/manual.html uses google maps to tell people how to add and edit place names etc. Which is IMHO as close to being derived from Google Maps as it gets. At the least it is being much less cautious than we are in respect of data cleanness. spaetz ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-talk] GSoC applications are in! MENTORS wanted
Hi all, Google summer of code application deadline has passed. We have received 27 applications. I have stripped out sensitive information such as e-mail addresses and other contact information (and also a full CV) and put the on this wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/GSoC_Applications_2008 I did this for 2 reasons: 2) We need mentors for the students, and depending on how many slots Google will assign us, that could be a few. So, if you find an application that sounds great to you and you would love to mentor it, then step forward and tell me (AND sign up also). I think chances of wanted applications should be better, as a motivated mentor is a good thing to have! So far these 5 people have signed up as mentors: Artem Dudarev, Avinash Dubey David Christopher Anderson Frederik Ramm, MALLA RAVINDRA ADITYA I only know Frederik of this list, perhaps the others could step forward and tell me who they are and what areas they would like to mentor. These people have volunteered in the wiki, it would be great if really they could sign up as mentors: Mikel, RalfZ, Milovanderlinden, Texamus, Geonick, Ramack, Fjbehr. There is a mentors guide to the GSoC thingie which you would need to follow: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/guide-to-the-gsoc-web-app-for-mentors-and-organization-administrators It basically boils down to: 1) login into google somewhere. 2) visit http://code.google.com/soc/mentor_step1.html 3) Sign up, check OpenStreetMap 4) Browse the applications and click on I am willing to mentor wherever you think you would like to mentor someone. Thanks Sebastian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] GSoC applications are in! Feedback wanted
Hi all, Google summer of code application deadline has passed. We have received 27 applications. I have stripped out sensitive information such as e-mail addresses and other contact information (and also a full CV) and put the on this wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/GSoC_Applications_2008 I did this for 2 reasons: 1) Please look at the proposals and, if you want, add some feedback to the discussion part of that page. I will browse through and take the comments into account when rating the proposals together with SteveC. This needs to happen quick, as the rating is likely to happen soon. Reason 2 follows soon in a separate mail :-) Thanks Sebastian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Relations not always brilliant
Sven Grüner wrote: I've recently created a sandbox going the whole way from Planet Earth to Some Road all in nested relations. You can browse it here: http://osm.schunterscouts.de/relation-browser.php (the URL accepts other relations as well, comments welcome) You do know that sometimes people need to download all entities of a relation when they download an area with a single node in it? I wouldn't want to download all elements of earth when I download my neighbourhood block. :-) How do you handle this problem? spaetz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] Birmingham mapping party - Radio Interview today
Steve Chilton wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/wm.shtml to listen live Or follow RichardF's live transcripts in IRC interspersed with commentary. Thanks Richard :-). spaetz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] linz dataset for nz - attribution methods summary
Robert Vollmert wrote: I may be missing something, but why would we need to introduce a read- only attribution tag if we already have it? It's the source tag of the first version of an object, in http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/objtype/id/history +1 Sebastian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Participating in TAH
Kyle Gordon wrote: I know this has already been answered, but it would be awesome if [EMAIL PROTECTED] could be accessed through the BOINC framework (especially as deployment to multiple computers would just involve an MSI and MST file). Anyone reckon if it's at all possible to get all the required magic working? :-p Feel free to submit the patch necessary to achive this :-). ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Name finder and home page search working again
David Earl wrote: It's a hard call. I did do a kind of weighting in the where am I feature to give a reasonable spread of places of different kinds - though again Tom hasn't implemented this in quite the same way on the home page. I agree that it's a hard call (and trade-off). Also, I don't want to appear as complaining. I think the implementation as-is, is pretty fantastic. I wonder whether some context can be drawn in from whether there is a administrative city boundary or residential landuse area surrounding a street. But this would of course increase the parsing complexity a lot, I guess. Anyway, thanks for the namefinder! Sebastian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cycle lanes
Lars Aronsson wrote: J.D. Schmidt wrote: It doesn't matter if the busstop is on the right or left side of the road... Neither OSM wise, nor in the real world. In the real world you use your eyes and see the busstop. Of course it matters which side the bus stop is on. You don't want to enter a bus that goes the wrong way, so you have to go to the right stop. This is as fundamental as which bus lines the stop is for. I agree with LA here. Sometimes a bus stop would be on both sides of the road. Sometimes it would only be on one side while the one for the other direction is around the corner. Not having this kind of data is (in my personal data model view) not acceptable :-). Al left/right is a bit ambigious, so far I tend to draw little service roads and have a bus stop there. As for data, I tend to favor bus_line=123;direction=southampton or something similar. (or direction=north would also be a good way). ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tag proposal/approval system is too heavyweight
Ulf Lamping wrote: Frederik Ramm schrieb: The way we usually do things around here is those who do the work get to decide how it's done. Interestingly, your vineyard example is exactly working that way. YOU have decided that you want to have vineyards in the way you like it. YOU have implemented it into osmarender to be shown on the map. So in effect YOU control how others do theirs - by setting the reference how it's displayed on the map. Maybe the reason you're one of the people raising the voice against voting is that it will reduce YOUR level of control over others?!? Ulf, that is a crap argument. I know Fredrik well enough to say that control is the least of his motives. What he is trying to convey is that in most cases it just needs somebody to implement it the way we thinks is right. And in doing so effectively provides a kind-of standard that can be used. Our SVN is public, anybody can apply for access. In order to add features you don't have to be able to program. Really anybody who was bothered enough and wants a feature shown on the map can add that. And you are arguing that somebody is trying to decrease other peoples power? What can Frederik do if you you add amenity=molehill to the renderers stylesheet. He is neither maintainer nor judge on these issues either. Lots of good arguments on both sides here in this thread. But this was not one of them. Sebastian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Contours server (was: Re: ski pistes)
Steve Hill wrote: Contours layer presented by openpistemap is simply great. Does it exist a server publishing only this layer? There is still the relief layer available, using addresses like http://srtm.in-ulm.de/layer/relief/z8/row89/8_134-89.jpg The tutorial on how to use these is here: http://www.maps-for-free.com/ Sebastian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] we are a google summer of code project
Mikel Maron wrote: http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=284 Cool. Would many students please apply now between March 24 and March 31st for a project on our Wiki? A link to our wiki page and idea pool is here: http://code.google.com/soc/2008/streetmap/about.html Sebastian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] mapping with nokia 9500
mariner wrote: As a result of the OpenExpo in Bern I started to contribute to the project. Thank you guys, for attending at the fair. Hey, cool to see that our stall actually helped. In the wiki I saw, that there are people wich are using a Nokia 9500 (Communicator) while doing some work for the project. Never used one of these. Don't know how you would use them. I also have such a brick at home and would like to use it. But I have no idea how to do this. As a receiver I have a Wintec WBT-201. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/GPS_Reviews/Wintec_and_Woxter#Wintec_WBT-201_.28G-Rays_2.29 That one looks like a really nice device for mapping. I want it :-). Sebastian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OpenExpo, Bern and OpenStreetMap
OpenExpo, Bern, Switzerland is over (1000 visitors) and I wrote an post on my experiences there: http://sspaeth.de/index.php?/archives/507-OpenExpo-and-OpenStreetMap-2008.html Thanks to all involved and helping, I enjoyed it a lot. Sebastian Spaeth ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Next steps (was: Applied for Google Summer of Code)
OK, here are the next steps for GSoC. - We need students who are willing to take up one of the projects listed on our wiki page (they can propose their own thing to us too, of course). Students who are interested should show their interest now. @all: If you know a promising student, let them know about OSM GSOC. - We need mentors who are willing to coach students during coding phase is May 26 - August 11. All you need is some familiarity with OSM, the people involved, a Google account, and some time. Please add your name to the wiki page if you are willing to coach somebody - We need to choose projects we'd like to have implemented and match students with tutors. How do we do that? Should we set up a poll page? Should students choose freely? Does the OSMF have specific pet projects they'd like to see implemented? SteveC, TomH, Jon, 80n,... any favorites? Mail me if yes. Sebastian Below a timeline of when and how things start: -- - March 13-17: Google program administrators review organization applications. - March 17: List of accepted mentoring organizations published on code.google.com/soc/ (~12 noon PDT/19:00 UTC). - Interim Period: Would-be student participants discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations. - March 24: Student application period opens (~12 noon PDT/19:00 UTC). - March 31: Student application deadline 5:00 PM PDT/00:00 UTC April 1, 2008. - Interim Period: Mentoring organizations review and rank student proposals; where necessary, mentoring organizations may request further proposal detail from the student applicant. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Applied for Google Summer of Code
OK, I have just submitted our application to Google SoC. We are in the pool. bobkare volunteered to act as backup admin in case I drop dread. Thanks for that. Let's see if this works out this year. I will probably be (nearly) non-reachable on WEdnesday and Thursday BTW, as I represent an OpenStreetMap stall at OpenExpo.ch in Bern, Switzerland. Sebastian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Daily Planet-Files
Sven Anders wrote: Hi, the Daily planet Files are broken (again): See: http://planet.openstreetmap.org/daily/ [ ] daily-20080303-20080304.osc.bz2 04-Mar-2008 00:2014 [ ] daily-20080304-20080305.osc.bz2 05-Mar-2008 00:20 14 [ ] daily-20080305-20080306.osc.bz2 06-Mar-2008 00:20 14 [ ] daily-latest.osc.bz206-Mar-2008 00:20 14 Can someone fix it, please? Why is this broken so often? Because brett who volunteered to produce these is travelling (I think he should be back this week). Feel free to provide a more reliable service if you think you can. Sebastian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Raw GPS layer
80n wrote: This would be an interesting thing to try. AFAIK its relatively easy to add a new layer to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] infrastructure and Osmarender could easily be adapted to render points from GPX files (perhaps using a pre-processor to convert GPX elements to OSM format nodes and ways). I do wonder, however, whether the [EMAIL PROTECTED] infrastrcuture is overkill, just for rendering tracklogs on a map. OpenLayers can render KML files as lines. (http://www.openlayers.org/dev/examples/kml-layer.html) I'd rather have something client-side like this rather than adding yet another layer to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] server (alternatively we could use a different [EMAIL PROTECTED] server for stuff like this). ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Move tagging RfCs/voting to extra list?
Robin Paulson wrote: On 14/01/2008, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: would it make sense to create a new mailing list - say [EMAIL PROTECTED] or so - to which all tag proposals and requests for comments/votes could be directed, and reclaim talk@ for informal community chat? I am all for it. And I am still of the opinion that more people would vote if there was an easier voting mechanism. I had already implemented a prototype of an e-mail voting system, where proposals would be send in mail (in addition to be put on the wiki) and people would just have to hit reply and add a +1, -1, or 0 (abstain) to the text in order to vote, but got distracted later on. The results would then be displayed in a web interface. This would get us more than the usual 3-6 votes per proposal, I know that I would vote more if it were that easy. What do people think of this? Spaetz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] attributing cc by attribution data
Robin Paulson wrote: one possible problem i can see: it is a legal requirement of OSM to display that attribution and if the tag is editable by anyone, then it can be changed, either through malice, clumsiness or otherwise. this could lead to troublesome legal wrangles it's been talked about regarding a couple of other issues that have cropped up (the naming dispute over cyprus for instance) - maybe we need to lock some information, and allow it only to be edited by certain privileged administrators, who are held responsible for what happens to it? That you cannot prevent anyway. People can always download the data remove the data locally. Delete the data on the server and re-upload it. (or parts of it). Spaetz ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-talk] A0 or A1 OSM map poster and other conference stuff
Hi guys, I will be manning an OSM stand at the next OpenExpo(.ch) in Bern, Switzerland in March. I need a poster for that. Unfortunately, I have forgotten how people have been creating these so far. There was a postscript renderer somewhere in CVS right? Or have people been using Mapnik directly? I have no mapnik installed so that would pose some more hassle. I will be needing both a low-zoom variant (Switzerland + Surroundings) as well as some high-zoom, show-off thingie (downtown Zurich or so). I will also be looking into SVN whether I can reuse some of the OSM lecture slides. Any recommendations? What else should I showcase there? OpenLayer with OSM. JOSM. N800 with Maemo-mapper. Some routing software perhaps? What can run on a Mac easily? I never got OJW's pyroute to run on my Mac yet, but that would certainly be cool. spaetz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
