Re: [OSM-talk] Crudely-drawn pint glasses
On Jan 30, 2008 1:47 PM, Artem Pavlenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good p(o)int! This thread is going for quite a while and still no new pint icon :D This one I created myself a year ago : http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/ osm/?zoom=15lat=6715066.22314lon=-7023.28957layers=B00 Is it better ? or not? It's better, in my opinion, hence it being on the cycle map! And it's a trivial change to make, since the icon is in the same folder in svn, so it's dead easy to change the osm.xml file. Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crudely-drawn pint glasses
Dave Stubbs wrote: Because it's nice to have some output? All I was saying was that if we want more it needs paying for. Be that OSMF, someone else, user pays, advertising pays whatever. It was a serious question btw, how much would they be willing to pay for it? I haven't spoken to them; my message was prompted merely by seeing their leaflet. So I have no idea. It depends on how much people care about the law, and the risk of getting sued. Although it's illegal to photocopy/screenshot commercial maps, for many uses it's not worth the copyright holder pursuing it. And so the only restraint is the morality of the map user. So perhaps some people might be willing to pay. How much, I have no idea. Gerv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crudely-drawn pint glasses
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Asking them to install and configure their own copy of Mapnik seems somewhat unreasonable... You could try osmps, and then convert the PostScript to the required format. Mapnik was just an example; it seems to me that asking people who want to make and use a custom map (although I'm not sure that no crudely-drawn pint glasses really counts as custom) to install _any_ rendering software seems sub-optimal. Gerv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crudely-drawn pint glasses
On Jan 29, 2008 10:21 PM, Gervase Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.45561lon=-0.96828zoom=16layers=B0FT I find that the area they would screenshot is covered with crudely-drawn pint glasses.[0] They can use the osmarender flavor instead. In this case, the feature of drawing most icons only at zoom 17 comes out as an advantage. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.45561lon=-0.96828zoom=16layers=0BFT Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crudely-drawn pint glasses
On Jan 30, 2008 8:42 AM, Gervase Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Asking them to install and configure their own copy of Mapnik seems somewhat unreasonable... You could try osmps, and then convert the PostScript to the required format. Mapnik was just an example; it seems to me that asking people who want to make and use a custom map (although I'm not sure that no crudely-drawn pint glasses really counts as custom) to install _any_ rendering software seems sub-optimal. So how much do you suppose they'd be willing to pay for this service? If enough people want it, and enough people are willing to pay enough for it, it may at some point in the future appear. The problem is that you need hardware/network resources to offer this kind of service, and those resources aren't usually free. TBH I'm not sure what your problem is with having to install some software, as you're going to have to spend time defining your custom map anyway. In which case you get to choose, osmps, osmarender, Kosmos... Otherwise you'll have to make do with what other people are producing. Incidentally, I agree the pint glasses look a little rubbish, but I doubt I could do better, so I'll quit complaining. Dave ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crudely-drawn pint glasses
On 30/01/2008 08:56, Tom Hughes wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gervase Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Asking them to install and configure their own copy of Mapnik seems somewhat unreasonable... You could try osmps, and then convert the PostScript to the required format. Mapnik was just an example; it seems to me that asking people who want to make and use a custom map (although I'm not sure that no crudely-drawn pint glasses really counts as custom) to install _any_ rendering software seems sub-optimal. So it is reasonable or optimal for us to maintain an infinite number of custom maps for third parties that want custom maps but don't want the hassle of rendering them? How about a bit of positive thinking here! (And the thrust of the message wasn't about the quality of the icon either) I think Gervase is quite right - installing anything is vast overkill and our kinds of install are beyond the capabilities of the majority of people who when I say start your browser don't understand what I mean(*). And the web offers opportunities for customizable presentation that paper maps don't have. We just don't have the means to do it right now. Doing this doesn't mean necessarily generating every combination of tiles possible. Overlays with switches to turn on and off categories and particular POIs would make it possible, and there are several ways of doing that. (I outlined one some time ago, which would involve implementing HTML tiles to openlayers and using style sheet changes to turn on and off features in the overlay). Anther solution would be on-demand mapping: the renderers, in whatever falvour, are online somewhere and you go through a dialogue to decide on an area, choose your features and then get a custom map back a short while later - either on screen or as a PDF or whatever. I'm sure there's plenty of other ways of approaching the problem as well. If you want a 'clean' map, you might as well just use Google at the moment; our advantage is that we have much more information, if only we could selectively present it easily in a fast, non-technically-demanding way. David (*) remember we are a highly technologically oriented bunch. My experience is that most people know what Internet Explorer is but don't know it is a browser or that other browsers exist - that's just an example of course. (two more from our home page that confuse people - lack of a search button to press when you've finished entering your search term, and the word permalink). ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crudely-drawn pint glasses
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about a bit of positive thinking here! I'm all for positive thinking. I'm also for realistic thinking, and as the person that will be expected to make this work that tends to come to the top of my list. We don't have an infinite stash of supercomputers and petabytes of disk. Doing this doesn't mean necessarily generating every combination of tiles possible. Overlays with switches to turn on and off categories and particular POIs would make it possible, and there are several ways of doing that. (I outlined one some time ago, which would involve implementing HTML tiles to openlayers and using style sheet changes to turn on and off features in the overlay). I'm not really sure I understand this - what form would an HTML tile take exactly? I think I understand the basic form of what you're suggesting I just don't know how you plan to overlay lots of little squares of HTML over the map? It's a plausible approach, though it obviously requires some significant work in OpenLayers from somebody, and I can see some issues with regard to collision avoidance. It means having an overlay on the map, which will slow it down quite a bit, but at least it would only be on overlay. Anther solution would be on-demand mapping: the renderers, in whatever falvour, are online somewhere and you go through a dialogue to decide on an area, choose your features and then get a custom map back a short while later - either on screen or as a PDF or whatever. This is horribly resource intensive though. The ability to export data in various formats is certainly something we've been talking about, but it isn't going to scale to huge amounts of use without a lot of resources, so it's only really suitable for one off use by individuals. I have to admit to being a bit confused by the original request here - it starts off by talking about a leaflet, which implies that they are looking to create a one-off map to go in a printed leaflet, but that starts talking about customising the slippy map, which is not the obvious place to start if you want a custom map of an area for printing? (*) remember we are a highly technologically oriented bunch. My experience is that most people know what Internet Explorer is but don't know it is a browser or that other browsers exist - that's just an example of course. (two more from our home page that confuse people - lack of a search button to press when you've finished entering your search term, and the word permalink). Remember that the primary focus of this project, as I understand it at any rate, is to produce data for other people to use. Making our own maps from our data is more of a convenience for us and a way to promote the project than our primary product. Tom -- Tom Hughes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crudely-drawn pint glasses
On 29 Jan 2008, at 21:21, Gervase Markham wrote: Chaps, As always, forgive me if this is an old issue, but: I noticed that an organisation I have contact with has a map in their how to get here leaflet, which they may well have just copied from somewhere. I'd like to recommend they use an OSM map instead, but looking at the area: http://www.openstreetmap.org/? lat=51.45561lon=-0.96828zoom=16layers=B0FT I find that the area they would screenshot is covered with crudely- drawn pint glasses.[0] Are there any plans to either: a) put layers into the Slippy Map so people can remove unwanted data such as this; or: b) set up a web service so that people can have custom maps (of reasonably small areas) rendered according to their specified criteria? Asking them to install and configure their own copy of Mapnik seems somewhat unreasonable... Gerv [0] Note: the purpose of this message is _not_ to have a dig at the icon designer. But you must admit they are fairly simple icons. Gervase, Get your organisation to contact me (http://mapnik.org). I am able to render whatever flavor, with or without pub icons, any size map. Kind Regards Artem ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crudely-drawn pint glasses
On 30 Jan 2008, at 10:25, bvh wrote: On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 08:56:13AM +, Tom Hughes wrote: So it is reasonable or optimal for us to maintain an infinite number of custom maps for third parties that want custom maps but don't want the hassle of rendering them? No, we should provide tools that make it very easy to create a custom map. Mapnik is not (yet?) that tool. Mapnik is that tool and it's also free and easy to use ;) . It is used in many exciting projects to generate custom maps e.g http://www.everyblock.com/ http://www.placebase.com/ http://www.mysociety.org/2007/more-travel-maps/ I believe Kosmos wants to fill that gap. Kosmos is win32 only and it also relies on inferior GDI+ rendering. Merkaartor is also getting some of it : I just added an integrated gui to edit the map style to subversion, effectively with the aim to make merkaartor a full wysiwyg map editor/renderer combination. If you're serious about rendering high-quality maps and I believe you're using qt4 in your project, why don't you join forces and work on Mapnik GUI ? Artem ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crudely-drawn pint glasses
Anther solution would be on-demand mapping: the renderers, in whatever falvour, are online somewhere and you go through a dialogue to decide on an area, choose your features and then get a custom map back a short while later - either on screen or as a PDF or whatever. Sounds a good idea. An OSMcustommaps.org or similar could be created, a user could sign up and specify their preferences, write a Mapnik XML file specific to that user and issue them with an ID, then a user could have their custom rendered style simply by requesting tiles off that server. Since most people probably want the standard OSM maps, it would have relatively low levels of use, so I can't see bandwidth being a major issue - particularly if caching occurs. Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crudely-drawn pint glasses
On 30/01/2008 11:47, Artem Pavlenko wrote: On 30 Jan 2008, at 10:25, bvh wrote: On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 08:56:13AM +, Tom Hughes wrote: So it is reasonable or optimal for us to maintain an infinite number of custom maps for third parties that want custom maps but don't want the hassle of rendering them? No, we should provide tools that make it very easy to create a custom map. Mapnik is not (yet?) that tool. Mapnik is that tool and it's also free and easy to use ;) . It is used in many exciting projects to generate custom maps e.g http://www.everyblock.com/ http://www.placebase.com/ http://www.mysociety.org/2007/more-travel-maps/ but installing it and keeping it up to date is a nightmare for ordinary mortals. If an instance of it were already installed in an accessible place (on the internet for example, with a web interface) so that you could just use the very nice GUI I saw you demonstrate at SOTM last year, or some variation of it, it would be that tool. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crudely-drawn pint glasses
On 30/01/2008 11:07, Tom Hughes wrote: Remember that the primary focus of this project, as I understand it at any rate, is to produce data for other people to use. Making our own maps from our data is more of a convenience for us and a way to promote the project than our primary product. Someone has to produce the tools or service though, whether it is under our banner or someone else's. If you're a restaurant in Chertsey who wants to print a map of your location on your flier, it is no use whatsoever to start with instructions which say 'install a database and fetch a 100Gb file off the internet'. To be practical, we (in the widest sense) have to offer pre-packaged tools and have reasonable expectations of what file sizes can be managed, how long it takes, and so on. What this means in practice, I think, is either a readily useable web application, or an modest install (which may fetch data off the internet once installed, sure, and might only be a thin front end to a remote application or fetches data from a remote database in the form, say, Mapnik needs) and which has Windows as its main target because that's what 95% of the potential user base is using. (That may mean InstallShield of something equivalent; Java is problematic because that would mean installing the Java runtime, which your restaurateur probably won't have a clue about; dependencies are anathema). Or it means offering a map production service, so that the provider, who is technologically capable, would mediate between the complex software and the user. But that probably means paying money, which rather defeats the object - you'd just be in commodity competition with other map providers there. Chances are your restaurateur will take the line of least resistance and (illegally, though they don't realise it) start with a screen shot from a 'free' Google map. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crudely-drawn pint glasses
Tom Hughes skrev: So it is reasonable or optimal for us to maintain an infinite number of custom maps for third parties that want custom maps but don't want the hassle of rendering them? And especially maps without an indication of where to bring a brit, yourself, and your extra liver to sample the local flavours of beer. Completely useless map IMHO. Dutch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crudely-drawn pint glasses
Nick Whitelegg skrev: Anther solution would be on-demand mapping: the renderers, in whatever falvour, are online somewhere and you go through a dialogue to decide on an area, choose your features and then get a custom map back a short while later - either on screen or as a PDF or whatever. Sounds a good idea. An OSMcustommaps.org or similar could be created, a user could sign up and specify their preferences, write a Mapnik XML file specific to that user and issue them with an ID, then a user could have their custom rendered style simply by requesting tiles off that server. Since most people probably want the standard OSM maps, it would have relatively low levels of use, so I can't see bandwidth being a major issue - particularly if caching occurs. Nick And how and from where will they be invoiced, and in what way will the income be put to use in OSM ? Or do you suggest that it should be a freebie service, provided to Joe Public Esq. and Jim Company Ltd in the manner of free as in both speech AND beer ? I mean, if they need a leaflet with a costumized map showing all their store location, then ofcourse they should be able to use any and all of OSM-ressources(*) free of charge to make that map for their leaflet, right ? Dutch (*) OSM-ressources in this regard means : CPU-time, making specific mapnik XML stylesheets for people, getting pestered with requests for changes in the XML stylesheet when they find out that their company logo really looks bad, on the colourschema they specified for the map, and that their customers normally navigate through town by directions to the various pubs anyway, so could they have the pint-glasses brought back as well... Because if they are too lazy to read the instructions on getting Mapnik or one of the other rendering engines up and running to generate tiles and maps locally, you can bet they are also too lazy to write their stylesheets on their own, or even read the instructions on a potential OSMcustommaps.org site. I might be a cynical S.O.B, but based on multiple years dealing with people wanting some task done, but to lazy to do it themselves, I'm pretty sure that the above scenario is what will happen... ;) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crudely-drawn pint glasses
On 30 Jan 2008, at 13:12, J.D. Schmidt wrote: Tom Hughes skrev: So it is reasonable or optimal for us to maintain an infinite number of custom maps for third parties that want custom maps but don't want the hassle of rendering them? And especially maps without an indication of where to bring a brit, yourself, and your extra liver to sample the local flavours of beer. Completely useless map IMHO. Dutch Good p(o)int! This thread is going for quite a while and still no new pint icon :D This one I created myself a year ago : http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/ osm/?zoom=15lat=6715066.22314lon=-7023.28957layers=B00 Is it better ? or not? Cheers Artem ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crudely-drawn pint glasses
On 30 Jan 2008, at 12:11, bvh wrote: On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 12:51:34PM +, Artem Pavlenko wrote: This is why I'm making win32 binaries ( and planning os x pkg) - for ordinary mortals. For more advanced folk : sudo apt-get install mapnik or rpm -ivh etc. All is needed is a bit of extra help (hint hint hint) , I'm personally quite happy with building from source - worksforme :) ... I'm not sure I understand what you mean by instance. Postgresql ? Mapnik is c++ library that can be used with any modern GUI toolkit to render maps. There are different ways to setup it up, of course and web based service is one of them. As you said : mapnik is c++ library hence useless for ordinary mortals. To unlock the power of mapnik they need a setup that feeds mapnik map data, a front to easily edit their mapstyle and a backend that let's them chop and save tiles/maps/jpegs whatever. And that is not (yet) within reach of ordinary mortals, is it? This is why I started: http://trac.mapnik.org/browser/trunk/demo/viewer But the more I think of it, merkaartor has quite a bit of that already : it has the data and the tools to easily download them from OSM api. It recently acquired a mapstyle editor (albeit quite basic for now). It has a user interface for finding your area of interest. What we are missing is the interface towards mapnik but given both are c++ projects I don't see huge problems... You should have no problems at all. I'll investigate some more this weekend. cu bart Artem ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crudely-drawn pint glasses
Tom Hughes wrote: So it is reasonable or optimal for us to maintain an infinite number of custom maps for third parties that want custom maps but don't want the hassle of rendering them? I'm not asking for that, either. What I was sort of envisaging was a web service where you scrolled to an area on a slippy map, clicked a few checkboxes Yes, this area, with contours, without amenities... and clicked render and it took you to a new page with the map you were after. I realise this is work; I have no expectation on any particular person to make this happen. I just thought it would be a good idea that would serve the map-using public better, and may prevent people photocopying the A-Z or illegally screenshotting Google Maps. Gerv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crudely-drawn pint glasses
Martin Vidner wrote: They can use the osmarender flavor instead. In this case, the feature of drawing most icons only at zoom 17 comes out as an advantage. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.45561lon=-0.96828zoom=16layers=0BFT The trouble with that is that the particular area in question has rather an overabundance of one of Osmarender's (few, admittedly) ugly quirks - that is, repeating the same label when you have two associated ways making up a road. You feel like you're looking at the map with double vision. Gerv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crudely-drawn pint glasses
On 30 Jan 2008, at 22:02, Gervase Markham wrote: Tom Hughes wrote: So it is reasonable or optimal for us to maintain an infinite number of custom maps for third parties that want custom maps but don't want the hassle of rendering them? I'm not asking for that, either. What I was sort of envisaging was a web service where you scrolled to an area on a slippy map, clicked a few checkboxes Yes, this area, with contours, without amenities... and clicked render and it took you to a new page with the map you were after. I realise this is work; I have no expectation on any particular person to make this happen. I just thought it would be a good idea that would serve the map-using public better, and may prevent people photocopying the A-Z or illegally screenshotting Google Maps. Funnily enough I'd been thinking of doing just this if I ever got more time. I was thinking that perhaps something based on potlatch could be used for basic very interactive playing with the styles, then once you were happy you click render and it goes away, generates an image and emails you when it's done. I think this could be great for someone who wants to make some money from OSM. Perhaps give up to 1000x1000 pixels for free and charge for poster-size renderings... John ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crudely-drawn pint glasses
Dave Stubbs wrote: So how much do you suppose they'd be willing to pay for this service? If enough people want it, and enough people are willing to pay enough for it, it may at some point in the future appear. The problem is that you need hardware/network resources to offer this kind of service, and those resources aren't usually free. But doesn't this point apply to the slippy map also? Why are we making that free, if it consumes hardware and network resources? Gerv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Crudely-drawn pint glasses
Chaps, As always, forgive me if this is an old issue, but: I noticed that an organisation I have contact with has a map in their how to get here leaflet, which they may well have just copied from somewhere. I'd like to recommend they use an OSM map instead, but looking at the area: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.45561lon=-0.96828zoom=16layers=B0FT I find that the area they would screenshot is covered with crudely-drawn pint glasses.[0] Are there any plans to either: a) put layers into the Slippy Map so people can remove unwanted data such as this; or: b) set up a web service so that people can have custom maps (of reasonably small areas) rendered according to their specified criteria? Asking them to install and configure their own copy of Mapnik seems somewhat unreasonable... Gerv [0] Note: the purpose of this message is _not_ to have a dig at the icon designer. But you must admit they are fairly simple icons. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crudely-drawn pint glasses
Gervase Markham wrote: Chaps, As always, forgive me if this is an old issue, but: I noticed that an organisation I have contact with has a map in their how to get here leaflet, which they may well have just copied from somewhere. I'd like to recommend they use an OSM map instead, but looking at the area: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.45561lon=-0.96828zoom=16layers=B0FT I find that the area they would screenshot is covered with crudely-drawn pint glasses.[0] Are there any plans to either: a) put layers into the Slippy Map so people can remove unwanted data such as this; or: b) set up a web service so that people can have custom maps (of reasonably small areas) rendered according to their specified criteria? Asking them to install and configure their own copy of Mapnik seems somewhat unreasonable... Gerv [0] Note: the purpose of this message is _not_ to have a dig at the icon designer. But you must admit they are fairly simple icons. Is there somewhere a repository of totally free general-purpose icons such as this? I'm asking because I would like to extend Kosmos rendering rules with some nice icons. I agree with you about the pint glass. But I guess any contribution has to be appreciated if nothing better comes along :) Something like this, but without license problems: http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/?id=3489343refnum=439363 Cheers, Igor -- http://igorbrejc.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crudely-drawn pint glasses
On Jan 29, 2008 4:43 PM, Igor Brejc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there somewhere a repository of totally free general-purpose icons such as this? I'm asking because I would like to extend Kosmos rendering rules with some nice icons. Try openclipart.org. There's lots of clip art there that might be useful, it's all public domain. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crudely-drawn pint glasses
Hey ho, On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 09:21:08PM +, Gervase Markham wrote: As always, forgive me if this is an old issue, but: I noticed that an organisation I have contact with has a map in their how to get here leaflet, which they may well have just copied from somewhere. I'd like to recommend they use an OSM map instead, but looking at the area: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.45561lon=-0.96828zoom=16layers=B0FT I find that the area they would screenshot is covered with crudely-drawn pint glasses.[0] Asking them to install and configure their own copy of Mapnik seems somewhat unreasonable... You could try osmps, and then convert the PostScript to the required format. It has the added advantage, IMHO, that the pint glass is much nicer ;-). It's not as polished as Mapnik though, but easier to print. The styles need more work. http://dl.newtoncomputing.co.uk/readingex.pdf http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/rendering/osmps The latest osmps (still on my computer) does better things with bounding boxes so the output from the SVN one needs a bit of cropping to get right. -- Matthew ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
