Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Your opinion about SOTM US
Alex, Our friends on the other side of the pond like to point out that we have many poorly and unmapped areas. I'm sure we all agree that their assessment is correct. Solving this problem should be one of our highest priorities. Two solutions come to mind, increase the number of imports and growing the community of mappers. While I feel that imports have their place, i.e. addresses and building outlines, my preferred solution is to increase the number of mappers. It would be great to see a session to brainstorm how to set target growth rates and then how to achieve them. My sense is that having the US Chapter Board involved is needed to help overcome some obstacles, ie. funding, software tools, communications, etc. I'd be happy to create a proposal for such a session, but it would need a facilitator to help us work with a large group of interested parties. (I haven't facilitated a large group in many years.) My other obstacle is I'm currently visiting Costa Rica and I'm often in places with limited internet access which makes it hard to communicate. I'd like to get some feedback what others think. Do we have a problem of being under and poorly mapped lands? Is it worthwhile to hold a session to build a roadmap to fix it? If so how would you do it? Clifford On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: Casting the net a little wider: What do you think are the big topics and challenges for OpenStreetMap as we're about to go into the second decade? What does this mean for State of the Map? On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Hey all, I put together a 3 minute survey about the upcoming State of the Map US conference. The main thing I would like to know more about is the types of talks you would be interested in, or even specifically which people or organizations you would want to see a talk from. You can find the survey here: http://goo.gl/forms/YZpm2aPk2O If you don't want to fill out the survey, you can also send your opinion my way in an email. In any case, thanks in advance for taking the time. Remember, the Call for Papers will be open for another 3 weeks: http://stateofthemap.us/talk/ Thanks again, -- Martijn van Exel skype: mvexel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-us mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Your opinion about SOTM US
I'm still kicking up chunks of stuff GNIS and TIGER pulled in that are woefully inaccurate. Just did some cursory Lincoln County, NV work after my father got lost out there while motorcycling with his wife (fortunately for him, he carries survival basics and knows how to survive in the Great Basin and how to recover when lost out there, so having bad information was just super annoying, not necessarily life-threatening in this case). Seems GNIS and/or TIGER pulled in some POIs for hamlets that either never existed in the first place, or were abandoned 50+ years ago and are long gone now. Whenever I'm out there or I have a reason to edit out there, I do try to make sure it's at least minimally connected and tagged more or less correctly (though the geometry might not be super-accurate since we're talking about having to fix dozens of miles at a time in open-nothing) so it can at least be used to route back to civilization. This is definitely a recurring problem for almost every map in the Mojave and Great Basin deserts and pretty much a matter of life and death for those visiting a pretty decent chunk of northern Arizona, New Mexico, parts of southern California, western Utah, southeastern Oregon and just Nevada in general. Given that the US Department of the Interior's been trying to get mapmakers to fix it since the USGS is horribly out of date in the region, we could probably garner a lot of goodwill by fixing the map so it doesn't kill people... On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:01 AM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Alex Barth writes: What do you think are the big topics and challenges for OpenStreetMap as we're about to go into the second decade? What does this mean for State of the Map? For OSM in the US? Finding and fixing the badly-digitized TIGER data. I've got it mostly under control in NY, but I still find bits and pieces of it left. And when I go looking in neighboring states, I shudder. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ Talk-us mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Your opinion about SOTM US
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: 2) Given the audience at DC, I'd say you'll need a beginners track. So many people I met there had no understanding of how to do a foot survey, and no understanding of why that is the most valuable and interesting data in the OpenStreetMap database. So, yeah. Some really fundamental basics. Why and how to survey. And a real hands on session... flashmob micromap something nearby. Flashmob audit some other area nearby for errors/updates. Send people on a race with different mobile tools performing similar mapping tasks. Step away from the air photo and map the world from the ground! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Your opinion about SOTM US
Hey Richard - thanks for your feedback, let me see.. As for 1) we are planning a Workshop / Deep Dive track parallel to the hack day on Monday, very similar to what was going on at SotM EU last June. I really enjoyed being able to go back and forth from the hack room to the workshops, and judging from the audience a lot of people did, so that is something I would really like to copy :) By the way, I am looking for someone who can take the lead in organizing that track, perhaps that would be up your alley? (Or anyone else reading this?) Other than that, I would VERY MUCH like to have a track set aside for advanced mapping topics - which can be survey techniques (I really liked zverik's talk on car mapping for example), tagging, or advanced editor use, plugin development perhaps? It all depends on who actually submits talks on these topics, so please submit! On the other hand, your point 2) about people with no OSM background - we did a mapping 101 in DC led by Mele, http://openstreetmap.us/2014/04/intro-osm-workshop/ but I think you're thinking more about getting out and about. I don't know how good the immediate surroundings of the UN building are for that, but perhaps we can do an excursion on Monday in parallel with the hack day? Again, I would need for someone to step up and lead this, but perhaps someone from the local NYC community can do this. Or if you're thinking a talk, I think you would probably the perfect person to give it :) Martijn On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Hey all, [ ... ] The main thing I would like to know more about is the types of talks you would be interested in, or even specifically which people or organizations you would want to see a talk from. Easy! Same as I always ask / hope for. :-) 1) I want to see deeply technical / specialized presentations specific to OpenStreetMap. Talks that wouldn't be suitable at non-OpenStreetMap conferences. So, talks on optimizing a rendering stack, a la SotM-EU. Or on tagging scheme alternatives, such as SotM-Girona. 2) Given the audience at DC, I'd say you'll need a beginners track. So many people I met there had no understanding of how to do a foot survey, and no understanding of why that is the most valuable and interesting data in the OpenStreetMap database. So, yeah. Some really fundamental basics. Why and how to survey. -- Martijn van Exel skype: mvexel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Your opinion about SOTM US
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Hey all, [ ... ] The main thing I would like to know more about is the types of talks you would be interested in, or even specifically which people or organizations you would want to see a talk from. Easy! Same as I always ask / hope for. :-) 1) I want to see deeply technical / specialized presentations specific to OpenStreetMap. Talks that wouldn't be suitable at non-OpenStreetMap conferences. So, talks on optimizing a rendering stack, a la SotM-EU. Or on tagging scheme alternatives, such as SotM-Girona. 2) Given the audience at DC, I'd say you'll need a beginners track. So many people I met there had no understanding of how to do a foot survey, and no understanding of why that is the most valuable and interesting data in the OpenStreetMap database. So, yeah. Some really fundamental basics. Why and how to survey. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
