Re: [OSM-talk] Connecting ferry routes to roads?
Good point. I would suggest that the cars are carried on public transport along a 'route' defined using the route relation of type=railway. I would suggest that the road network is connected to the railway station at each end and possibly also to one or more railway platforms (but that is not yet an approved feature). A route then needs to be created linking the stations with motorcar=yes. In time we can then define timetables for trains on this route between these stations. We can also define bicycle=yes for routes where bicycles can be carried etc. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Relation:route A similar approach could be implemented for Dover ferry terminal. We would need roads leading to the various quays, each being the start of a route to Calais. The routes would have motorcar=yes and type=ferry. Does that make sense? Peter (Ito) _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Oliver Lewis Sent: 02 September 2008 18:32 To: osm Subject: [Spam] Re: [OSM-talk] Connecting ferry routes to roads? This had me straight off to look at the channel tunnel, which is tagged as a railway. Fair enough but no router is going to send cars that way. Should I add highway=service to the same way and connect it to the road network, or add a separate way or find another way to convey that the trains carry cars? I'd welcome your suggestions. Thanks Oliver On 8/31/08, Mark Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rory McCann wrote: Dan Karran wrote: I fixed up the Isle of Man Steam Packet ferry route so that it goes all the way into Douglas harbour in the Isle of Man again. While I was at it, I connected it up with the road network so that routing programmes could route traffic through it as well. Is this common practice, and is there a standard way of linking them in? I've just linked the route to a service road which is connected to the rest of the road network. Cheers, Dan I've been taking this approach aswell, eg: http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=-4.07891 http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=-4.07891lon=39.66457zoom=15layers=B00FTF lon=39.66457zoom=15layers=B00FTF I've added nodes where the coastline and the road meet and tagging them with amenity=ferry_terminal Rory Similarly, I put the terminal where it is, and join the route=ferry to the highway=service through the carpark (if that's how it is) then to the main roads in the usual fashion, on the basis that that's what's there. Obviously foot ferries need a footway instead, and train stations have a similar arrangement (or ought to..) Mark -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIuv0dJfMmcSPNh94RAq9RAJ41iNnCWy1x1A/1vabXyoYvHJkhFQCePmAr aMl4fbXi/f8URWcjIeLHaSA= =nXgD -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Connecting ferry routes to roads?
- Original Message - From: Dan Karran [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: osm talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 3:29 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] Connecting ferry routes to roads? I fixed up the Isle of Man Steam Packet ferry route so that it goes all the way into Douglas harbour in the Isle of Man again. While I was at it, I connected it up with the road network so that routing programmes could route traffic through it as well. Is this common practice, and is there a standard way of linking them in? I've just linked the route to a service road which is connected to the rest of the road network. That seems to make sense and is how I have been mapping vehicle ferry routes. However I'm not quite sure what to do with ferry routes which are for foot passengers and available for cyclists, but not for motorcars.. Following the logic above I would connect the ferry route to the nearest highway with a footway tag. Although this would allow routing for cyclists and pedestrians this seems wrong to me. For instnace the high speed poassenger service from Southamption to East Cowes http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.89469lon=-1.40605zoom=17layers=B00FTF I have not conncted to the highway down the pier, as it would produce short stubs of footway rendered on the maps which really are just corridors through buildings, but this means at the moment the ferry route is unconnected to anything. David Cheers, Dan -- Dan Karran [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dankarran.com ___ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Connecting ferry routes to roads?
On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Dan Karran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I fixed up the Isle of Man Steam Packet ferry route so that it goes all the way into Douglas harbour in the Isle of Man again. While I was at it, I connected it up with the road network so that routing programmes could route traffic through it as well. Is this common practice, and is there a standard way of linking them in? I've just linked the route to a service road which is connected to the rest of the road network. The imported AND data had this also, we mapped it to highway=virtual, for lack of a better tag at the time... Have a nice day, -- Martijn van Oosterhout [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://svana.org/kleptog/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Connecting ferry routes to roads?
I fixed up the Isle of Man Steam Packet ferry route so that it goes all the way into Douglas harbour in the Isle of Man again. While I was at it, I connected it up with the road network so that routing programmes could route traffic through it as well. Is this common practice, and is there a standard way of linking them in? I've just linked the route to a service road which is connected to the rest of the road network. Cheers, Dan -- Dan Karran [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dankarran.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Connecting ferry routes to roads?
Dan Karran wrote: I fixed up the Isle of Man Steam Packet ferry route so that it goes all the way into Douglas harbour in the Isle of Man again. While I was at it, I connected it up with the road network so that routing programmes could route traffic through it as well. Is this common practice, and is there a standard way of linking them in? I've just linked the route to a service road which is connected to the rest of the road network. Cheers, Dan I've been taking this approach aswell, eg: http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=-4.07891lon=39.66457zoom=15layers=B00FTF I've added nodes where the coastline and the road meet and tagging them with amenity=ferry_terminal Rory ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
