Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website
You will find links to wiki and help.osm.org via the Link help on the top. But in my opinion it is too complicated to click twice. The other way arround why do we need an Export button at such a prominent position? If we really need this it should be moved to the export/share sidebar. The Link to the welcome page could be moved to the welcome window, too. André 2013/11/13 Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr: No more links to: - the wiki - the copyright/licence stuff - help.osm.org What about translations ? 2013/11/13 Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com Forwarding to mailing list. -- Forwarded message -- From: christian.pietzsch Date: Tuesday, 12 November 2013 Subject: Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website To: RobJN Hi Thanks everyone for their great work. I like the new design. Lot of space for the map itself, clearly structured overall very modern. There is just one thing I always wanted to have at OSM.org. If you search for a town the boundary should be highlighted (like in Wikipedia [maybe without filling]) One thing I noticed is that on wider screens (24) at the sub pages (like about/...) the text and information is only displayed in the middle (huge gray areas to the left and right) Especially the user diaries could be stretched over the whole screen. One more thing...is there going to be a zoom to my location feature? (Maybe this has been discussed before and abandoned because of privacy concerns...sry if I missed it) The test page is only available in English isn't it? Do you still need people to translate it? Regards Christian (Hedaja) Ps.: I had to smile when I saw the sign up page xD ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France Un nouveau serveur pour OSM... http://donate.osm.org/server2013/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website
Christian Quest wrote: No more links to: - the wiki - the copyright/licence stuff - help.osm.org André has already mentioned two of these, and the copyright/licence page is linked both from the attribution on the map and from the About page. Ed ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website
Exporting capabilities is that makes OSM stand out. this is what we do: we provide data for anyone for every use. It is important to keep the export tab prominent. Me too, I dont like the fact documentation links did disappear from the home page. cant we have a drop down menu with links to the wiki? On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:09 AM, André Riedel riedel.an...@gmail.com wrote: You will find links to wiki and help.osm.org via the Link help on the top. But in my opinion it is too complicated to click twice. The other way arround why do we need an Export button at such a prominent position? If we really need this it should be moved to the export/share sidebar. The Link to the welcome page could be moved to the welcome window, too. André 2013/11/13 Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr: No more links to: - the wiki - the copyright/licence stuff - help.osm.org What about translations ? 2013/11/13 Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com Forwarding to mailing list. -- Forwarded message -- From: christian.pietzsch Date: Tuesday, 12 November 2013 Subject: Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website To: RobJN Hi Thanks everyone for their great work. I like the new design. Lot of space for the map itself, clearly structured overall very modern. There is just one thing I always wanted to have at OSM.org. If you search for a town the boundary should be highlighted (like in Wikipedia [maybe without filling]) One thing I noticed is that on wider screens (24) at the sub pages (like about/...) the text and information is only displayed in the middle (huge gray areas to the left and right) Especially the user diaries could be stretched over the whole screen. One more thing...is there going to be a zoom to my location feature? (Maybe this has been discussed before and abandoned because of privacy concerns...sry if I missed it) The test page is only available in English isn't it? Do you still need people to translate it? Regards Christian (Hedaja) Ps.: I had to smile when I saw the sign up page xD ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France Un nouveau serveur pour OSM... http://donate.osm.org/server2013/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- -S ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website
How often is it used? In my opinion newbies think you could export a vector image. Then they find out it is only a xml file with (for the first moment) useless content. I would calll me a long time contributor and never had the need of an xml-export at the front page. If we want to promote this, we need a description page with links to the planet file, country excerpts, small exports (from the osm-server) and to larger exports via the overpass API or overpass turbo page. André 2013/11/13 Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com: Exporting capabilities is that makes OSM stand out. this is what we do: we provide data for anyone for every use. It is important to keep the export tab prominent. Me too, I dont like the fact documentation links did disappear from the home page. cant we have a drop down menu with links to the wiki? On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:09 AM, André Riedel riedel.an...@gmail.com wrote: You will find links to wiki and help.osm.org via the Link help on the top. But in my opinion it is too complicated to click twice. The other way arround why do we need an Export button at such a prominent position? If we really need this it should be moved to the export/share sidebar. The Link to the welcome page could be moved to the welcome window, too. André 2013/11/13 Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr: No more links to: - the wiki - the copyright/licence stuff - help.osm.org What about translations ? 2013/11/13 Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com Forwarding to mailing list. -- Forwarded message -- From: christian.pietzsch Date: Tuesday, 12 November 2013 Subject: Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website To: RobJN Hi Thanks everyone for their great work. I like the new design. Lot of space for the map itself, clearly structured overall very modern. There is just one thing I always wanted to have at OSM.org. If you search for a town the boundary should be highlighted (like in Wikipedia [maybe without filling]) One thing I noticed is that on wider screens (24) at the sub pages (like about/...) the text and information is only displayed in the middle (huge gray areas to the left and right) Especially the user diaries could be stretched over the whole screen. One more thing...is there going to be a zoom to my location feature? (Maybe this has been discussed before and abandoned because of privacy concerns...sry if I missed it) The test page is only available in English isn't it? Do you still need people to translate it? Regards Christian (Hedaja) Ps.: I had to smile when I saw the sign up page xD ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France Un nouveau serveur pour OSM... http://donate.osm.org/server2013/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- -S ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:52 AM, André Riedel riedel.an...@gmail.com wrote: If we want to promote this, we need a description page with links to the planet file, country excerpts, small exports (from the osm-server) and to larger exports via the overpass API or overpass turbo page. good idea. instead of the export, a page that tells people that they can export the data, and not just have the tiles images. -- -S ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website
Pros: - the layers tab is smaller vertically. It could be even better by taking off the other maps samples which are unnecessarily overloading the other tiles servers each time someone opens this tab. - looks more modern Cons: - text attributs for the top menus. Fonts are very thin and colours very light, almost transparent. This will be a problem when the site is used in bad conditions (outdoor, sun, small devices) or by visual impaired. - you have two links (About and Learn More) jumping to the same page. In general: - I fully agree that the link to the documentation and licence are essential to the main page. It is not just yet another slippy map with different styles. We have to figure out that the licence terms are explained in the small map link © OpenStreetMap contributors or through the About page. How can we explain that the major difference between OSM and Google Maps is its licence (e.g. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google_Map_Maker) ? - in the past, one part of the community said that the slippy map and its default style should be less prominent or even hidden somewhere behind the front page because OSM is mainly a database, not a slippy map project and what is shown is just partial or may lead to tag for the renderers. I did not agree on that. I found the previous situation where the map was on the main page but no so prominent was a good compromise, especially when we see this page as a call for new contributors. But now this trend to put the default slippy map (which is far from perfect) as the major feature of the project is imho a mistake. Improve a bit the default rendered style, add a routing feature and the home page will be the open version of Google Maps services. Is it the final goal of the website ? - the About first sentence is very urban-centric : OSM is built by a community of local mappers that keeps data about roads, cafés, subway stations, and much more up to date every day. . First, many areas in OSM are just empty. It's even not the question to keep data up-to-date like it is in most of the urban cities in OSM but just create data. Second, I'm happy to see that our first example for maintaining data up-to-date are for roads, cafés and ... subway stations. - the community driven section is talking about engineers and HOT team but the average contributor, you know the one who is not an engineer neither a remote armchair mapper in Africa or Asia, is not mentionned even though it is the main part of the community. Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website
What is the goal of the redesign ? Get new active contributors ? Get new users ? Moving the wiki/help/license link away makes me feel we're moving slowly to the second choice which does not look to me as a good idea. I'm expecting the OSM front page to clearly explain that anybody can contribute to the map by improving the data yourself and that all the project is a open project (I dont like the free map, it looks too much as free beer). On the positive side, the new graphical design is really a great improvement, except the not enough contrasted texts (+1 with Pieren about visually impaired people or outdoor situations). 2013/11/13 Ed Loach edlo...@gmail.com Christian Quest wrote: No more links to: - the wiki - the copyright/licence stuff - help.osm.org André has already mentioned two of these, and the copyright/licence page is linked both from the attribution on the map and from the About page. Ed -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France Un nouveau serveur pour OSM... http://donate.osm.org/server2013/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Fwd: Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website
Forwarding to mailing list. -- Forwarded message -- From: christian.pietzsch Date: Tuesday, 12 November 2013 Subject: Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website To: RobJN Hi Thanks everyone for their great work. I like the new design. Lot of space for the map itself, clearly structured overall very modern. There is just one thing I always wanted to have at OSM.org. If you search for a town the boundary should be highlighted (like in Wikipedia [maybe without filling]) One thing I noticed is that on wider screens (24) at the sub pages (like about/...) the text and information is only displayed in the middle (huge gray areas to the left and right) Especially the user diaries could be stretched over the whole screen. One more thing...is there going to be a zoom to my location feature? (Maybe this has been discussed before and abandoned because of privacy concerns...sry if I missed it) The test page is only available in English isn't it? Do you still need people to translate it? Regards Christian (Hedaja) Ps.: I had to smile when I saw the sign up page xD ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website
No more links to: - the wiki - the copyright/licence stuff - help.osm.org What about translations ? 2013/11/13 Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com Forwarding to mailing list. -- Forwarded message -- From: christian.pietzsch Date: Tuesday, 12 November 2013 Subject: Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website To: RobJN Hi Thanks everyone for their great work. I like the new design. Lot of space for the map itself, clearly structured overall very modern. There is just one thing I always wanted to have at OSM.org. If you search for a town the boundary should be highlighted (like in Wikipedia [maybe without filling]) One thing I noticed is that on wider screens (24) at the sub pages (like about/...) the text and information is only displayed in the middle (huge gray areas to the left and right) Especially the user diaries could be stretched over the whole screen. One more thing...is there going to be a zoom to my location feature? (Maybe this has been discussed before and abandoned because of privacy concerns...sry if I missed it) The test page is only available in English isn't it? Do you still need people to translate it? Regards Christian (Hedaja) Ps.: I had to smile when I saw the sign up page xD ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France Un nouveau serveur pour OSM... http://donate.osm.org/server2013/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
