Re: [OSM-talk] How do you tag a traffic signal that's also a motorway junction?

2010-06-10 Thread Ian Dees
On Jun 10, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:

 On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Nathan Edgars II  
 nerou...@gmail.com wrote:
 highway=motorway_junction with ref=[number] is used whenever there's
 an exit/junction number, whether or not it's actually on a motorway.
 But there are some numbered exits that are right at traffic  
 signals,
 which should be tagged highway=traffic_signals. Examples include
 http://alpsroads.net/roads/nj/gsp/n10.jpg in south New Jersey (this
 one has a small separated ramp but another one doesn't),
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:NY_9A_north_exit_5.jpg in New
 York City, and http://gailmommers.50megs.com/pictmission/ny-17-exit-98.htm
 in upstate New York. How should these be tagged?
 highway=motorway_junction;traffic_signals?

 Well it can't be highway=motorway_junction because motorways don't
 have level crossings, right?

 This image illustrates your question perfectly.
 http://alpsroads.net/roads/nj/gsp/n10.jpg  Thank you for including it.

 If this were a motorway_junction (it isn't) the exit number would be
 in the ref tag on the exit node, so go with that.

 I would tag the ways as usual, highway=secondary or whatever is
 appropriate here.

 highway=traffic_signals
 ref=10B

 If that is indeed a flare for the right turn to 657 Eastbound, I might
 mark the first node of the flare with the ref=10B

The ref doesn't mean anything without an associated tag though.  
motorway_junction is the accepted way to show a numbered exit, even  
if it isn't attached to a motorway.

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Re: [OSM-talk] How do you tag a traffic signal that's also a motorway junction?

2010-06-10 Thread Richard Weait
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote:
 highway=motorway_junction with ref=[number] is used whenever there's
 an exit/junction number, whether or not it's actually on a motorway.
 But there are some numbered exits that are right at traffic signals,
 which should be tagged highway=traffic_signals. Examples include
 http://alpsroads.net/roads/nj/gsp/n10.jpg in south New Jersey (this
 one has a small separated ramp but another one doesn't),
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:NY_9A_north_exit_5.jpg in New
 York City, and http://gailmommers.50megs.com/pictmission/ny-17-exit-98.htm
 in upstate New York. How should these be tagged?
 highway=motorway_junction;traffic_signals?

Well it can't be highway=motorway_junction because motorways don't
have level crossings, right?

This image illustrates your question perfectly.
http://alpsroads.net/roads/nj/gsp/n10.jpg  Thank you for including it.

If this were a motorway_junction (it isn't) the exit number would be
in the ref tag on the exit node, so go with that.

I would tag the ways as usual, highway=secondary or whatever is
appropriate here.

highway=traffic_signals
ref=10B

If that is indeed a flare for the right turn to 657 Eastbound, I might
mark the first node of the flare with the ref=10B

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[OSM-talk] How do you tag a traffic signal that's also a motorway junction?

2010-06-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
highway=motorway_junction with ref=[number] is used whenever there's
an exit/junction number, whether or not it's actually on a motorway.
But there are some numbered exits that are right at traffic signals,
which should be tagged highway=traffic_signals. Examples include
http://alpsroads.net/roads/nj/gsp/n10.jpg in south New Jersey (this
one has a small separated ramp but another one doesn't),
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:NY_9A_north_exit_5.jpg in New
York City, and http://gailmommers.50megs.com/pictmission/ny-17-exit-98.htm
in upstate New York. How should these be tagged?
highway=motorway_junction;traffic_signals?

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Re: [OSM-talk] How do you tag a traffic signal that's also a motorway junction?

2010-06-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:
 Well it can't be highway=motorway_junction because motorways don't
 have level crossings, right?

 If this were a motorway_junction (it isn't) the exit number would be
 in the ref tag on the exit node, so go with that.

In the US, no; highway=motorways can't have level crossings. But,
despite the name,
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_junction is
not only for use on motorways. (And renaming it wouldn't help; it
would then be a question of how to tag the same node as both
traffic_signals and trunk_junction.)

 I would tag the ways as usual, highway=secondary or whatever is
 appropriate here.

 highway=traffic_signals
 ref=10B

To expand on Ian's reply, the ref for an exit number only makes sense
when coupled with highway=motorway_junction; some cities number their
traffic lights and post these numbers:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jstephenconn/2961191591/ This is what I'd
expect from highway=traffic_signals ref=3.

 This image illustrates your question perfectly.
 http://alpsroads.net/roads/nj/gsp/n10.jpg  Thank you for including it.

 If that is indeed a flare for the right turn to 657 Eastbound, I might
 mark the first node of the flare with the ref=10B

Yes, it's a flare, making it an imperfect example:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.085008lon=-74.815164zoom=18layers=B000FTF

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