Re: [OSM-talk] Isn't it nice to share?  | Re: Facebook mapping highways using AI in collaboration with OpenStreetMap
Facebook probably shouldn't import all of their POIs directly into OSM. I understand that this could cause problems. But they could make available all sorts of useful data, including a separate overlay or service that allowed us to see where facebook POIs are located, and manually import them into OSM if they are correct. I believe that also record your GPS coordinates while using the app in many cases, such as when taking photos. They could make these GPS traces available, like Strava does - quite helpful for finding missing path connections, and also helps show when a street a closed. They could allow their users to choose to automatically upload photos of businesses and street scenes under a suitable license to a Mapillary-like site that could be used for mapping. They could share data that suggest that POIs no longer exist; such as a facebook user clicking a note that says "this place is permanently closed" or "doesn't exist" and we could use that like a note or fixme. I believe these sort of prompts are already automatically suggested when the app sees you are at a POI, as are things questions about additional features (free parking? free wifi, etc?) which could be useful information for us. None of these options for share-alike would be clearly good for short-term shareholder value, but they would be quite helpful for mappers in OSM, and wouldn't require a massive import. Joseph On 8/2/19, Marc Gemis wrote: > This "self appointed police of OSM" will probably question > > - how did those companies receive the data, under which copyright? > - how did they geocode the POIs, using Google's geocoder ? (a big no-no) > - how up-to-date is this data ? Will you reimport POIs that have been > rightfully removed in OSM ? > - how will you avoid duplicates ? > > all legitimate question imho. > > p.s. people that keep blaming the mailing lists for bad behaviour, > really make me wonder why I keep contributing to OSM (mailing list). > Did you ever wonder that this type of constant nagging might turn off > well-meaning people as much as the people you point at turn off you? > > On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 9:00 AM Blake Girardot wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 8:00 AM Rory McCann wrote: >>> >>> >>> Oh yes, there's nothing wrong with Facebook (and Yelp, and TripAdvisor >>> and and) having their own PoI database. But, they _could_ help us, >>> massively, by sharing it. They way they talk about OSM, you'd swear they >>> were already doing all they could to help us. >>> >>> But it's naive to think they ever will. Nothing wrong with that, >>> shareholder value and all that. >>> >> >> Hi Rory, >> >> Respectfully, it is naive to think that even if they did offer their POI >> databases, the self appointed police of OSM would allow the POIs to be >> added to OSM. >> >> Truthfully, it is naive to think that any mapping or data that is not >> contributed just the way the few vocal folks who monopolize these OSM >> lists like, will be accepted. >> >> There really is no way to win with these folks, offer a lot and they >> accuse the contributor of trying to take over and/or destroying OSM, offer >> too little and they accuse the users of taking advantage of OSM. >> >> Best to just do like most folks who are interested in using and >> contributing to OSM do - unsubscribe from these lists and carry on. >> >> cheers, >> Blake >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> ___ >>> talk mailing list >>> talk@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Blake Girardot >> OSM Wiki - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot >> HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot >> skype: jblakegirardot >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Isn't it nice to share?  | Re: Facebook mapping highways using AI in collaboration with OpenStreetMap
This "self appointed police of OSM" will probably question - how did those companies receive the data, under which copyright? - how did they geocode the POIs, using Google's geocoder ? (a big no-no) - how up-to-date is this data ? Will you reimport POIs that have been rightfully removed in OSM ? - how will you avoid duplicates ? all legitimate question imho. p.s. people that keep blaming the mailing lists for bad behaviour, really make me wonder why I keep contributing to OSM (mailing list). Did you ever wonder that this type of constant nagging might turn off well-meaning people as much as the people you point at turn off you? On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 9:00 AM Blake Girardot wrote: > > > > On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 8:00 AM Rory McCann wrote: >> >> >> Oh yes, there's nothing wrong with Facebook (and Yelp, and TripAdvisor >> and and) having their own PoI database. But, they _could_ help us, >> massively, by sharing it. They way they talk about OSM, you'd swear they >> were already doing all they could to help us. >> >> But it's naive to think they ever will. Nothing wrong with that, >> shareholder value and all that. >> > > Hi Rory, > > Respectfully, it is naive to think that even if they did offer their POI > databases, the self appointed police of OSM would allow the POIs to be added > to OSM. > > Truthfully, it is naive to think that any mapping or data that is not > contributed just the way the few vocal folks who monopolize these OSM lists > like, will be accepted. > > There really is no way to win with these folks, offer a lot and they accuse > the contributor of trying to take over and/or destroying OSM, offer too > little and they accuse the users of taking advantage of OSM. > > Best to just do like most folks who are interested in using and contributing > to OSM do - unsubscribe from these lists and carry on. > > cheers, > Blake > > > > > > > > >> >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > > -- > > Blake Girardot > OSM Wiki - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot > HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot > skype: jblakegirardot > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Isn't it nice to share?  | Re: Facebook mapping highways using AI in collaboration with OpenStreetMap
On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 8:00 AM Rory McCann wrote: > > Oh yes, there's nothing wrong with Facebook (and Yelp, and TripAdvisor > and and) having their own PoI database. But, they _could_ help us, > massively, by sharing it. They way they talk about OSM, you'd swear they > were already doing all they could to help us.  > > But it's naive to think they ever will. Nothing wrong with that, > shareholder value and all that. > > Hi Rory, Respectfully, it is naive to think that even if they did offer their POI databases, the self appointed police of OSM would allow the POIs to be added to OSM. Truthfully, it is naive to think that any mapping or data that is not contributed just the way the few vocal folks who monopolize these OSM lists like, will be accepted. There really is no way to win with these folks, offer a lot and they accuse the contributor of trying to take over and/or destroying OSM, offer too little and they accuse the users of taking advantage of OSM. Best to just do like most folks who are interested in using and contributing to OSM do - unsubscribe from these lists and carry on. cheers, Blake > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Blake Girardot OSM Wiki - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot skype: jblakegirardot ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Isn't it nice to share?  | Re: Facebook mapping highways using AI in collaboration with OpenStreetMap
On 01/08/2019 18:35, Kathleen Lu via talk wrote: I don't think it's disingenuous at all for Facebook to use their own POIs instead of OSM's. Wasn't the whole point of the Collective Databases principle and the Collective Databases Guideline specifically to enable this type of usage, so that those interested in OSM did not have to make an "all or nothing" choice? Oh yes, there's nothing wrong with Facebook (and Yelp, and TripAdvisor and and) having their own PoI database. But, they _could_ help us, massively, by sharing it. They way they talk about OSM, you'd swear they were already doing all they could to help us.  But it's naive to think they ever will. Nothing wrong with that, shareholder value and all that. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
