Facebook probably shouldn't import all of their POIs directly into OSM. I understand that this could cause problems.
But they could make available all sorts of useful data, including a separate overlay or service that allowed us to see where facebook POIs are located, and manually import them into OSM if they are correct. I believe that also record your GPS coordinates while using the app in many cases, such as when taking photos. They could make these GPS traces available, like Strava does - quite helpful for finding missing path connections, and also helps show when a street a closed. They could allow their users to choose to automatically upload photos of businesses and street scenes under a suitable license to a Mapillary-like site that could be used for mapping. They could share data that suggest that POIs no longer exist; such as a facebook user clicking a note that says "this place is permanently closed" or "doesn't exist" and we could use that like a note or fixme. I believe these sort of prompts are already automatically suggested when the app sees you are at a POI, as are things questions about additional features (free parking? free wifi, etc?) which could be useful information for us. None of these options for share-alike would be clearly good for short-term shareholder value, but they would be quite helpful for mappers in OSM, and wouldn't require a massive import. Joseph On 8/2/19, Marc Gemis <[email protected]> wrote: > This "self appointed police of OSM" will probably question > > - how did those companies receive the data, under which copyright? > - how did they geocode the POIs, using Google's geocoder ? (a big no-no) > - how up-to-date is this data ? Will you reimport POIs that have been > rightfully removed in OSM ? > - how will you avoid duplicates ? > > all legitimate question imho. > > p.s. people that keep blaming the mailing lists for bad behaviour, > really make me wonder why I keep contributing to OSM (mailing list). > Did you ever wonder that this type of constant nagging might turn off > well-meaning people as much as the people you point at turn off you? > > On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 9:00 AM Blake Girardot <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 8:00 AM Rory McCann <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Oh yes, there's nothing wrong with Facebook (and Yelp, and TripAdvisor >>> and and) having their own PoI database. But, they _could_ help us, >>> massively, by sharing it. They way they talk about OSM, you'd swear they >>> were already doing all they could to help us. >>> >>> But it's naive to think they ever will. Nothing wrong with that, >>> shareholder value and all that. >>> >> >> Hi Rory, >> >> Respectfully, it is naive to think that even if they did offer their POI >> databases, the self appointed police of OSM would allow the POIs to be >> added to OSM. >> >> Truthfully, it is naive to think that any mapping or data that is not >> contributed just the way the few vocal folks who monopolize these OSM >> lists like, will be accepted. >> >> There really is no way to win with these folks, offer a lot and they >> accuse the contributor of trying to take over and/or destroying OSM, offer >> too little and they accuse the users of taking advantage of OSM. >> >> Best to just do like most folks who are interested in using and >> contributing to OSM do - unsubscribe from these lists and carry on. >> >> cheers, >> Blake >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> talk mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> >> >> >> -- >> ---------------------------------------------------- >> Blake Girardot >> OSM Wiki - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot >> HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot >> skype: jblakegirardot >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > _______________________________________________ talk mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
