Re: [OSM-talk] Proposal - automate rendering examples on OSM wiki
2015-04-04 19:08 GMT+02:00 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: By the way, I'm in favour of allowing all OSM-based renderings to be featured, not just the default style. People already obsess too much about what is or isn't rendered by the default style imo. +1 having a nice comparison of which rendering shows which selection of tags also would enable users to easier find the rendering that most suits their needs. Cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposal - automate rendering examples on OSM wiki
On 20.03.2015 22:19, Jochen Topf wrote: I think the important part is doing the rendering, deciding on zoom levels and all this. This is going to be some work and will need some time. Wouldn't it make sense to leave that responsibility to the projects, similar to the decentralized generation of files consumed by Taginfo for the projects feature? If a project team wants the added exposure via the wiki, they will put in the effort to do some automation. By the way, I'm in favour of allowing all OSM-based renderings to be featured, not just the default style. People already obsess too much about what is or isn't rendered by the default style imo. As a first step I suggest you look at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Taginfo/Projects and see whether your rendering can be brought into taginfo that way. Taginfo already allows including an url for an icon-sized image with each tag. What do you think about allowing another optional url for a larger image? That wouldn't be limited to node features and could be used in the wiki for rendering examples. Tobias ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposal - automate rendering examples on OSM wiki
On 2015-03-24 04:09, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Is there any kind of API enabled for OSM wiki allowing automated uploads of files? The OSM wiki can transclude images from Wikimedia Commons, which has a process for batch uploading images: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Guide_to_batch_uploading -- m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposal - automate rendering examples on OSM wiki
On Mi, Mär 25, 2015 at 02:06:06 -0700, Minh Nguyen wrote: On 2015-03-24 04:09, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Is there any kind of API enabled for OSM wiki allowing automated uploads of files? The OSM wiki can transclude images from Wikimedia Commons, which has a process for batch uploading images: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Guide_to_batch_uploading I don't think it is a good idea to upload rendering examples to Wikimedia Commons... Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.jochentopf.com/ +49-173-7019282 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposal - automate rendering examples on OSM wiki
You misunderstand me. Wikimedia Commons is fine for nice photos that can be used in the OSM project. It has been used for that for a long time. But autogenerated images of rendering examples? That need to be updated every time the rendering changes? Thats doesn't make sense to me. Wikis are good for unstructured data, but your use case is structured data along at least two axis (tag rendered and zoom level), probably more if you want to extend it to different styles. I suggest you keep that data in structured form somewhere and only link to it from the wiki, no need for automated uploads, no need for re-uploading if something changes. As I mentioned it is taginfos job to provide metadata around tags, so that might be a good place. But really anything that can host files on the web is better than trying to upload this to the wiki. Jochen On Mi, Mär 25, 2015 at 11:46:31 +0100, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: It may fit, OSM wiki qualifies as project that provide knowledge, instruction or information. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Project_scope/Summary#Must_be_realistically_useful_for_an_educational_purpose 2015-03-25 10:54 GMT+01:00 Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org: On Mi, Mär 25, 2015 at 02:06:06 -0700, Minh Nguyen wrote: On 2015-03-24 04:09, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Is there any kind of API enabled for OSM wiki allowing automated uploads of files? The OSM wiki can transclude images from Wikimedia Commons, which has a process for batch uploading images: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Guide_to_batch_uploading I don't think it is a good idea to upload rendering examples to Wikimedia Commons... -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.jochentopf.com/ +49-173-7019282 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposal - automate rendering examples on OSM wiki
It may fit, OSM wiki qualifies as project that provide knowledge, instruction or information. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Project_scope/Summary#Must_be_realistically_useful_for_an_educational_purpose 2015-03-25 10:54 GMT+01:00 Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org: On Mi, Mär 25, 2015 at 02:06:06 -0700, Minh Nguyen wrote: On 2015-03-24 04:09, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Is there any kind of API enabled for OSM wiki allowing automated uploads of files? The OSM wiki can transclude images from Wikimedia Commons, which has a process for batch uploading images: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Guide_to_batch_uploading I don't think it is a good idea to upload rendering examples to Wikimedia Commons... Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.jochentopf.com/ +49-173-7019282 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposal - automate rendering examples on OSM wiki
Is there any kind of API enabled for OSM wiki allowing automated uploads of files? 2015-03-20 16:26 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com: Some articles about tags have section rendering. Such entries are frequently incomplete or outdated. It simple for me to generate example of rendering for every single tag used in default map style. It is probably possible to automate upload for wiki. Is somebody interested in using such files on wiki? Probably via some clever template that would be added to rendering section or by manual updating all tag pages. What I may do: generate example of rendering for every single tag used in default map style (around 550 files - see list on https://github.com/matkoniecz/CartoCSSHelper/blob/master/style_specific/default_osm_style.rb ) What is necessary to make it useful: script that would upload files to wiki, somebody interested in using such files Note - generation of these images requires some time, it also would be necessary to decide on zoom level of rendering and secondary tag (what should be value of name/ele/ref tag?) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Proposal - automate rendering examples on OSM wiki
Some articles about tags have section rendering. Such entries are frequently incomplete or outdated. It simple for me to generate example of rendering for every single tag used in default map style. It is probably possible to automate upload for wiki. Is somebody interested in using such files on wiki? Probably via some clever template that would be added to rendering section or by manual updating all tag pages. What I may do: generate example of rendering for every single tag used in default map style (around 550 files - see list on https://github.com/matkoniecz/CartoCSSHelper/blob/master/style_specific/default_osm_style.rb ) What is necessary to make it useful: script that would upload files to wiki, somebody interested in using such files Note - generation of these images requires some time, it also would be necessary to decide on zoom level of rendering and secondary tag (what should be value of name/ele/ref tag?) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposal - automate rendering examples on OSM wiki
W dniu 20.03.2015 16:26, Mateusz Konieczny napisał(a): Is somebody interested in using such files on wiki? Probably via some clever template that would be added to rendering section or by manual updating all tag pages. I would be happy to help with it. Of course, (semi-)automated way would be bettr than updating every single page. -- Piaseczno Miasto Wąskotorowe ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposal - automate rendering examples on OSM wiki
On Fr, Mär 20, 2015 at 04:26:54 +0100, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Some articles about tags have section rendering. Such entries are frequently incomplete or outdated. It simple for me to generate example of rendering for every single tag used in default map style. It is probably possible to automate upload for wiki. Is somebody interested in using such files on wiki? Probably via some clever template that would be added to rendering section or by manual updating all tag pages. What I may do: generate example of rendering for every single tag used in default map style (around 550 files - see list on https://github.com/matkoniecz/CartoCSSHelper/blob/master/style_specific/default_osm_style.rb ) What is necessary to make it useful: script that would upload files to wiki, somebody interested in using such files Note - generation of these images requires some time, it also would be necessary to decide on zoom level of rendering and secondary tag (what should be value of name/ele/ref tag?) I think the important part is doing the rendering, deciding on zoom levels and all this. This is going to be some work and will need some time. Once that works we can decide what to do with the rendering. Bringing it into taginfo would be quite easy I presume. We could even extend the already existing taginfo feature for embedding taginfo results in the wiki to bring those renderings into the wiki if we want to. That would be much easier to do than to try to edit the wiki automatically with all the problems it brings. As a first step I suggest you look at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Taginfo/Projects and see whether your rendering can be brought into taginfo that way. Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.jochentopf.com/ +49-173-7019282 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
