Re: [OSM-talk] Your experience in reaching out to Maps.me users ?

[Andreas Vilén]

Also, what exactly is "to the right" in this context? North, East, South or
West?

/Andreas

On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 3:04 AM Mario Frasca  wrote:

> My experience is limited to one person in Panamá, who's used two user
> names: Kielito and Kielito1.
>
> He adds shops, one per changeset, he shortens names, and seldom uses
> capital letters.
>
> https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=8527833
>
> https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=8943003
>
> As you can see, he only replied to
> https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/61198755, where I asked him where
> some object really belonged, given I would not expect a shop to be in
> the middle of a road.  "put it to the right, thank you" was the answer.
> something I did not do.  I have no idea why he thinks he can't edit once
> he's contributed data.
>
> At a certain point I started systematically commenting to his changesets
> "who do you think is going to clean up your incomplete information?",
> before I alerted the DWG about it.  The reply I received from the DWG
> was that I should not scare away providers of valuable information.  I
> can't find the reply, to correctly quote text and attribute authorship
> of the reply.
>
> regards, MF
>
>
> On 04/12/2020 11:37, michael.montani95 at gmail.com (Michael Montani)
> wrote:
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I'm calling back a discussion on this mailing list on how Maps.Me edits
> > most of the times result to be very bad and close to vandalism.
> Furthermore
> > it seems the editor hasn't any notification system (as iD and JOSM) to
> tell
> > the user that at least someone sent an OSM message.
> >
> > We found out some users mapping very bad (and huge quantity) of POIs here
> > and there in:
> > - DRC: An user mapping over all the country, including sensible,
> temporary
> > data like an assault place in Irumu
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8018353585#map=19/1.45249/29.87712
> > (mapped as shop=butcher, with questionable dark sarcasm), plus many other
> > questionable ones
> >
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/format%20answer/history#map=10/1.2949/29.9117
> > - Mali: An user putting thousands of office=government in Bamako and
> other
> > cities, making impossible to produce decent urban maps out of OSM data
> > within a capital city...
> >
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/seydoukone/history#map=11/12.6172/-7.9153
> >
> > What worries me the most is that no one of these users are answering to
> > messages (and it's very common among Maps.Me users as I see...) and even
> if
> > they could be reverted, nothing is letting them know that they are
> actually
> > vandalising the map. It's difficult also to proceed with full reverts
> > because some tags from time to time seem reasonable, but can be
> challenging
> > to verify on the ground.
> >
> > I'm actually wondering about the causes of such bad tags, is Maps.Me
> using
> > preset names which are difficult to associate to actual tags? Should it
> be
> > mandatory for OSM editors to show OSM notifications? It seems also
> Maps.Me
> > itself is difficult to contact!!
> https://github.com/mapsme/omim/issues/13951
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Michael Montani
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Re: [OSM-talk] Your experience in reaching out to Maps.me users ?

[Mario Frasca]

My experience is limited to one person in Panamá, who's used two user 
names: Kielito and Kielito1.


He adds shops, one per changeset, he shortens names, and seldom uses 
capital letters.


https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=8527833

https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=8943003

As you can see, he only replied to 
https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/61198755, where I asked him where 
some object really belonged, given I would not expect a shop to be in 
the middle of a road.  "put it to the right, thank you" was the answer.  
something I did not do.  I have no idea why he thinks he can't edit once 
he's contributed data.


At a certain point I started systematically commenting to his changesets 
"who do you think is going to clean up your incomplete information?", 
before I alerted the DWG about it.  The reply I received from the DWG 
was that I should not scare away providers of valuable information.  I 
can't find the reply, to correctly quote text and attribute authorship 
of the reply.


regards, MF


On 04/12/2020 11:37, michael.montani95 at gmail.com (Michael Montani) wrote:

Dear all,

I'm calling back a discussion on this mailing list on how Maps.Me edits
most of the times result to be very bad and close to vandalism. Furthermore
it seems the editor hasn't any notification system (as iD and JOSM) to tell
the user that at least someone sent an OSM message.

We found out some users mapping very bad (and huge quantity) of POIs here
and there in:
- DRC: An user mapping over all the country, including sensible, temporary
data like an assault place in Irumu
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8018353585#map=19/1.45249/29.87712
(mapped as shop=butcher, with questionable dark sarcasm), plus many other
questionable ones
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/format%20answer/history#map=10/1.2949/29.9117
- Mali: An user putting thousands of office=government in Bamako and other
cities, making impossible to produce decent urban maps out of OSM data
within a capital city...
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/seydoukone/history#map=11/12.6172/-7.9153

What worries me the most is that no one of these users are answering to
messages (and it's very common among Maps.Me users as I see...) and even if
they could be reverted, nothing is letting them know that they are actually
vandalising the map. It's difficult also to proceed with full reverts
because some tags from time to time seem reasonable, but can be challenging
to verify on the ground.

I'm actually wondering about the causes of such bad tags, is Maps.Me using
preset names which are difficult to associate to actual tags? Should it be
mandatory for OSM editors to show OSM notifications? It seems also Maps.Me
itself is difficult to contact!! https://github.com/mapsme/omim/issues/13951

Thank you,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Your experience in reaching out to Maps.me users ?

[Mateusz Konieczny via talk]

Dec 4, 2020, 17:37 by michael.montan...@gmail.com:

> nothing is letting them know that they are actually vandalising the map.
>
If they continue to edit and ignore comments then contacting Data Working Group
would be the next step (they can use 0-time block that makes sure that someone
will read message before further editing).

>  It's difficult also to proceed with full reverts because some tags from time 
> to time seem reasonable, but can be challenging to verify on the ground.
>
If nonsense is mixed with potentially valid edits and user is not responding 
then
full scale reverts are perfectly fine.

> I'm actually wondering about the causes of such bad tags, is Maps.Me using 
> preset 
> names which are difficult to associate to actual tags?
>
maps.me is quite confusing/unclear in describing what is actually edited, how 
OSM
works and users can add only add points from a limited preset.

That is why so many things are added as tourism=attraction (it is also the first
on the list)

>  Should it be mandatory for OSM editors to show OSM notifications?
>
Maybe, at least strongly encouraged.

> It seems also Maps.Me itself is difficult to contact!! > 
> https://github.com/mapsme/omim/issues/13951
>
Their issue tracker is basically write only and they basically ignore bug 
reports,
especially in recent years.

See https://github.com/mapsme/omim/issues/created_by/matkoniecz

See also at https://github.com/mapsme/omim/issues how many issues of all 
reported
are open (2/3 ratio is typical for abandoned or completely dysfunctional 
projects).

In fact, real issue tracker used by developers is private (at least it was some 
time ago
when I still tried to report bugs and expected that there is a real chance of a 
fix).
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Re: [OSM-talk] Your experience in reaching out to Maps.me users ?

[Michael Montani]

Dear all,

I'm calling back a discussion on this mailing list on how Maps.Me edits
most of the times result to be very bad and close to vandalism. Furthermore
it seems the editor hasn't any notification system (as iD and JOSM) to tell
the user that at least someone sent an OSM message.

We found out some users mapping very bad (and huge quantity) of POIs here
and there in:
- DRC: An user mapping over all the country, including sensible, temporary
data like an assault place in Irumu
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8018353585#map=19/1.45249/29.87712
(mapped as shop=butcher, with questionable dark sarcasm), plus many other
questionable ones
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/format%20answer/history#map=10/1.2949/29.9117
- Mali: An user putting thousands of office=government in Bamako and other
cities, making impossible to produce decent urban maps out of OSM data
within a capital city...
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/seydoukone/history#map=11/12.6172/-7.9153

What worries me the most is that no one of these users are answering to
messages (and it's very common among Maps.Me users as I see...) and even if
they could be reverted, nothing is letting them know that they are actually
vandalising the map. It's difficult also to proceed with full reverts
because some tags from time to time seem reasonable, but can be challenging
to verify on the ground.

I'm actually wondering about the causes of such bad tags, is Maps.Me using
preset names which are difficult to associate to actual tags? Should it be
mandatory for OSM editors to show OSM notifications? It seems also Maps.Me
itself is difficult to contact!! https://github.com/mapsme/omim/issues/13951

Thank you,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Your experience in reaching out to Maps.me users ?

[Mateusz Konieczny via talk]

Nov 12, 2020, 14:50 by ajt1...@gmail.com:

> On 12/11/2020 13:20, Michał Brzozowski wrote:
>
>>
>> - the e-mail notifications about changeset comments do not have either a 
>> definitive "call to action" nor any explanation what to do (or a link to 
>> Wiki page with such)
>>
> They don't, unless the person writing the changeset comment puts that 
> information in there.
>
> With a DWG hat on I see quite a few complaints about people not replying to 
> changeset comments where the comment was just something like "this is wrong" 
> or "it is wrong to do X", rather than a message that looks like it was 
> intended to start a conversation.  
>
Thanks for pointing this out, I will try to remember in case of leaving of 
changeset comments.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Your experience in reaching out to Maps.me users ?

[Brian M. Sperlongano]

Huh. Yes, that's exactly what it did.  Certainly not the behavior I'd
expect.

On Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 11:58 AM Michał Brzozowski 
wrote:

> Hi Brian, the comment was probably made into an OSM Note. Check Notes on
> that OSM user page.
>
> Greetings
> Michał
>
> czw., 12 lis 2020, 17:56 użytkownik Brian M. Sperlongano <
> zelonew...@gmail.com> napisał:
>
>> I downloaded and made a test edit (adding an address to a local POI) with
>> maps.me just now to understand how it works.  It does at least make you
>> log in to OSM.  I entered in a comment on the change, however, I note that
>> maps.me overwrote my user-entered comment with a generic comment in the
>> changeset.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 10:27 AM Stephan Knauss 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> On 12.11.2020 10:55, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:
>>> > Is it just me or are Maps.me Openstreetmap contributors unaware of
>>> > Openstreetmap messages ? Does anyone here have seen Maps.me
>>> > Openstreetmap contributors answer to Openstreetmap messages ?
>>>
>>> I share your experience. Typical maps.me edits are of low quality and
>>> frequently show a misuse of tags, certainly not following to our
>>> community standards.
>>>
>>> I have a very low response rate on comments. Probaly one out of hundred
>>> responds. And I have not seen them going back to fix their edits ever.
>>>
>>> I think OSM API should block edits until email address is confirmed.
>>> And probably re-check the response to emails once a year or switch the
>>> account into read-only mode.
>>> Participating in changeset discussions or using osm messaging could
>>> reset that counter as well.
>>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Your experience in reaching out to Maps.me users ?

[Michał Brzozowski]

Hi Brian, the comment was probably made into an OSM Note. Check Notes on
that OSM user page.

Greetings
Michał

czw., 12 lis 2020, 17:56 użytkownik Brian M. Sperlongano <
zelonew...@gmail.com> napisał:

> I downloaded and made a test edit (adding an address to a local POI) with
> maps.me just now to understand how it works.  It does at least make you
> log in to OSM.  I entered in a comment on the change, however, I note that
> maps.me overwrote my user-entered comment with a generic comment in the
> changeset.
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 10:27 AM Stephan Knauss 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> On 12.11.2020 10:55, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:
>> > Is it just me or are Maps.me Openstreetmap contributors unaware of
>> > Openstreetmap messages ? Does anyone here have seen Maps.me
>> > Openstreetmap contributors answer to Openstreetmap messages ?
>>
>> I share your experience. Typical maps.me edits are of low quality and
>> frequently show a misuse of tags, certainly not following to our
>> community standards.
>>
>> I have a very low response rate on comments. Probaly one out of hundred
>> responds. And I have not seen them going back to fix their edits ever.
>>
>> I think OSM API should block edits until email address is confirmed.
>> And probably re-check the response to emails once a year or switch the
>> account into read-only mode.
>> Participating in changeset discussions or using osm messaging could
>> reset that counter as well.
>>
>> Stephan
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Re: [OSM-talk] Your experience in reaching out to Maps.me users ?

[Brian M. Sperlongano]

I downloaded and made a test edit (adding an address to a local POI) with
maps.me just now to understand how it works.  It does at least make you log
in to OSM.  I entered in a comment on the change, however, I note that
maps.me overwrote my user-entered comment with a generic comment in the
changeset.

On Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 10:27 AM Stephan Knauss 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> On 12.11.2020 10:55, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:
> > Is it just me or are Maps.me Openstreetmap contributors unaware of
> > Openstreetmap messages ? Does anyone here have seen Maps.me
> > Openstreetmap contributors answer to Openstreetmap messages ?
>
> I share your experience. Typical maps.me edits are of low quality and
> frequently show a misuse of tags, certainly not following to our
> community standards.
>
> I have a very low response rate on comments. Probaly one out of hundred
> responds. And I have not seen them going back to fix their edits ever.
>
> I think OSM API should block edits until email address is confirmed.
> And probably re-check the response to emails once a year or switch the
> account into read-only mode.
> Participating in changeset discussions or using osm messaging could
> reset that counter as well.
>
> Stephan
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Re: [OSM-talk] Your experience in reaching out to Maps.me users ?

[Mikel Maron]

Hi, I’m not actually a active moderator on this list, but I was asked to step 
in by several people, and I think it’s appropriate. I think this discussion can 
stay substantive without veering off topic into geopolitics (we have the whole 
rest of the internet for that), and using profanity and taunting nicknames 
(even if mild).

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Re: [OSM-talk] Your experience in reaching out to Maps.me users ?

[Stephan Knauss]

Hello,

On 12.11.2020 10:55, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:
Is it just me or are Maps.me Openstreetmap contributors unaware of 
Openstreetmap messages ? Does anyone here have seen Maps.me 
Openstreetmap contributors answer to Openstreetmap messages ?


I share your experience. Typical maps.me edits are of low quality and 
frequently show a misuse of tags, certainly not following to our 
community standards.


I have a very low response rate on comments. Probaly one out of hundred 
responds. And I have not seen them going back to fix their edits ever.


I think OSM API should block edits until email address is confirmed.
And probably re-check the response to emails once a year or switch the 
account into read-only mode.
Participating in changeset discussions or using osm messaging could 
reset that counter as well.


Stephan

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Re: [OSM-talk] Your experience in reaching out to Maps.me users ?

[Tomas Straupis]

>>   I see you do not manage to differentiate historical episodes and
>> CURRENT situation.
> Is May 2020 not recent enough?

  May 2020 is irrelevant: had no involvement of the US military, no
war with neighbours.

>>   If you are not familiar with how things work in Moscow or relations
>> of owners of maps.me to Kremlin then refrain from pointless
>> commenting.
> Would you like to share this information with me and the rest of the mailing 
> list, and demonstrate how it is relevant?

  mail.ru is owned by yandex.ru owner of which is a close henchman of Putin.
  I know, crap.me was sold, it will have to be seen where it ends up.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Your experience in reaching out to Maps.me users ?

[Clay Smalley]

On Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 9:51 AM Tomas Straupis 
wrote:

> 2020-11-12, kt, 16:41 Clay Smalley rašė:
> > Anyway, this is clearly off topic and has veered into your personal
> > bugaboos about governments you don't like.
>
>   I see you do not manage to differentiate historical episodes and
> CURRENT situation.
>

Is May 2020 not recent enough?

> Maps.me doesn't seem to have any involvement in Russian military
> > operations. Please keep your criticisms relevant to the subject at hand.
>
>   If you are not familiar with how things work in Moscow or relations
> of owners of maps.me to Kremlin then refrain from pointless
> commenting.
>

Would you like to share this information with me and the rest of the
mailing list, and demonstrate how it is relevant?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Your experience in reaching out to Maps.me users ?

[Tomas Straupis]

2020-11-12, kt, 16:41 Clay Smalley rašė:
> Anyway, this is clearly off topic and has veered into your personal
> bugaboos about governments you don't like.

  I see you do not manage to differentiate historical episodes and
CURRENT situation.

> Maps.me doesn't seem to have any involvement in Russian military
> operations. Please keep your criticisms relevant to the subject at hand.

  If you are not familiar with how things work in Moscow or relations
of owners of maps.me to Kremlin then refrain from pointless
commenting.
  It is fine if such a relationship is not important to you, but it is
ok for other people to know all information to make their OWN
decisions.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Your experience in reaching out to Maps.me users ?

[Clay Smalley]

On Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 9:25 AM Tomas Straupis 
wrote:

> > Besides, Mapbox is known to work with United States government
> > agencies as well as military weapons manufacturers (so-called
> > "defense contractors"). Does this bother you at all?
>
>   I have no information about the United States being involved in
> starting wars against neighbours and annexing their territories.
>

Here, let me help you out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gideon_%282020%29

Anyway, this is clearly off topic and has veered into your personal
bugaboos about governments you don't like. Regardless of your views on
Russia, Maps.me doesn't seem to have any involvement in Russian military
operations. Please keep your criticisms relevant to the subject at hand.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Your experience in reaching out to Maps.me users ?

[Tomas Straupis]

2020-11-12, kt, 15:54 Clay Smalley rašė:
>> Maps.me (or crap.me as it is known in some places) is a known bad actor:
>> * It disguises as made in Holland, when it is actually made in Moscow
>> by a company having close ties with the Kremlin.
> I don't think this is accurate or even relevant.

  Google play does not say anything about the actual origin of this
software. There is some other incorrect reference "MAPS.ME (CYPRUS)
LTD" - this time is Cyprus... once again nothing close to reality and
seems like they are changing "origin" very often. Why?
  People MUST know the origin of the software and make their OWN
decision if it is safe for them or not, if they want to support a
particular country or not.

> Besides, Mapbox is known to work with United States government
> agencies as well as military weapons manufacturers (so-called
> "defense contractors"). Does this bother you at all?

  I have no information about the United States being involved in
starting wars against neighbours and annexing their territories.
  Meanwhile in 2008 Moscow has started war and is occupying 20% of
Sarkatvelo (Georgia), in 2014 Moscow has started war against Ukraine
and is occupying Crimea formally and East Ukraine informally.
  So no, I'm not concerned about somebody being connected to the US military.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Your experience in reaching out to Maps.me users ?

[Clay Smalley]

On Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 5:36 AM Tomas Straupis 
wrote:

> Maps.me (or crap.me as it is known in some places) is a known bad actor:
> * It disguises as made in Holland, when it is actually made in Moscow
> by a company having close ties with the Kremlin.
>

I don't think this is accurate or even relevant. I took a quick look around
their website and found that they clearly display that they have five
offices in Russia and four elsewhere. Every interaction I've had with
Maps.me maintainers has been with someone who has a Russian surname. I
couldn't find any dishonest messaging about being primarily located in the
Netherlands.

Besides, Mapbox is known to work with United States government agencies as
well as military weapons manufacturers (so-called "defense contractors").
Does this bother you at all?

-Clay

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Re: [OSM-talk] Your experience in reaching out to Maps.me users ?

[Andy Townsend]

On 12/11/2020 13:20, Michał Brzozowski wrote:


- the e-mail notifications about changeset comments do not have either 
a definitive "call to action" nor any explanation what to do (or a 
link to Wiki page with such)


They don't, unless the person writing the changeset comment puts that 
information in there.


With a DWG hat on I see quite a few complaints about people not replying 
to changeset comments where the comment was just something like "this is 
wrong" or "it is wrong to do X", rather than a message that looks like 
it was intended to start a conversation.  OSM Messages are by their very 
definition being sent to people; it always helps to add the detail that 
you would to any other first message to a person.  I appreciate that 
this is frustrating given the low response rate from MAPS.ME users (for 
the reasons already discussed).


Incidentally, Mail.ru has apparently recently sold MAPS.ME:

https://corp.mail.ru/en/press/releases/10761/

Best Regards,

Andy




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Re: [OSM-talk] Your experience in reaching out to Maps.me users ?

[Michał Brzozowski]

Hi, good question.

Keep in mind that:
- OSM notifications go to Notifications in Gmail which does not normally
make a system notification sound on Android, you have to look there.
Although I may be wrong here,  some of emails in this folder (that Gmail
deems important) do notify the user loudly.
- it's hard to log in on mobile on osm.org if you don't know how, in fact
mobile interface is barely usable beyond browsing the map (lacks
affordances)
- the e-mail notifications about changeset comments do not have either a
definitive "call to action" nor any explanation what to do (or a link to
Wiki page with such)

Sometimes you can send a private message with a phone number, I had once
success with it, though this works only inside your country due to high
international calling/SMS rates - and if you are willing to give your
number.

Greetings

czw., 12 lis 2020, 11:00 użytkownik Jean-Marc Liotier 
napisał:

> A contributor blankets Bamako with office=government nodes named in all
> caps - a sad situation, especially considering how much effort he puts
> into wrongly tagging valid POI (details, in French:
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ml/2020-November/000254.html).
>
> Changeset comment and Openstreetmap messages do not elicit answers from
> him.
>
> Is it just me or are Maps.me Openstreetmap contributors unaware of
> Openstreetmap messages ? Does anyone here have seen Maps.me
> Openstreetmap contributors answer to Openstreetmap messages ?
>
> I opened a Maps.me wishlist issue requesting Maps.me to notify their
> contributing users of pending Openstreetmap mail - the way JOSM does it:
> https://github.com/mapsme/omim/issues/13951
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Re: [OSM-talk] Your experience in reaching out to Maps.me users ?

[Mateusz Konieczny via talk]

Nov 12, 2020, 10:55 by j...@liotier.org:

> Is it just me or are Maps.me Openstreetmap contributors unaware of 
> Openstreetmap messages ? Does anyone here have seen Maps.me Openstreetmap 
> contributors answer to Openstreetmap messages ?
>
Yes, but answer rate is ridiculously low, less than 1 in 100 contacted users 
answers.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Your experience in reaching out to Maps.me users ?

[Andy Townsend]

On 12/11/2020 09:55, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:
Is it just me or are Maps.me Openstreetmap contributors unaware of 
Openstreetmap messages ? Does anyone here have seen Maps.me 
Openstreetmap contributors answer to Openstreetmap messages ?


They'll get an email just like every other email user.  What might 
happen with MAPS.ME is that someone might sign up with a throwaway email 
address, and they also might not expect a "mapping application" to talk 
back to them.


I've certainly had responses from MAPS.ME users, but there have also 
been cases where no communication has occurred.


If people really aren't seeing messages then send an email to the DWG 
asking them to send a message that the user can't ignore.


However, looking back through the history of edits in Bamako, the last 
"all caps MAPS.ME node adder" has received no comments on changesets 
(this might be a different one to the one that you are talking about, of 
course).  I'd suggest a comment, in a language that they are likely to 
understand, that says something like:


   Hello and welcome to OpenStreetMap!

   Thanks for adding these government offices to OpenStreetMap so that
   everyone can see where they are.  Just to let you know - there's no
   need to put the name in all capital letters - names would usually
   added as you would write them normally, so for example "Total"
   rather than "TOTAL".  If you've got any other questions, please
   don't hesitate to ask.

   Best Regards,

   (your name)


Best Regards,

Andy

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Re: [OSM-talk] Your experience in reaching out to Maps.me users ?

[Tomas Straupis]

Maps.me (or crap.me as it is known in some places) is a known bad actor:
* It disguises as made in Holland, when it is actually made in Moscow
by a company having close ties with the Kremlin.
* It does not clearly tell their uses they are using OpenStreetMap
data (therefore their users have a WTH moment when they receive a
message about their edits)
* It does not clearly tell their users they are actually changing
OpenStreetMap data, not their local "favourites"
* It updates its maps rarely and does not handle later changes in the
OSM database
* It leaves tons of crap data, crap notes etc. in my experience > 95% is trash.
* There is a very low chance of crap.me user answering (in my experience ~1%)

Therefore at least in Lithuania, after one year of attempting to treat
crap.me users as users of any other OSM editors, suspicious crap.me
changes are now reverted without wasting time on trying to contact
them.

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[OSM-talk] Your experience in reaching out to Maps.me users ?

[Jean-Marc Liotier]

A contributor blankets Bamako with office=government nodes named in all 
caps - a sad situation, especially considering how much effort he puts 
into wrongly tagging valid POI (details, in French: 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ml/2020-November/000254.html). 
Changeset comment and Openstreetmap messages do not elicit answers from 
him.


Is it just me or are Maps.me Openstreetmap contributors unaware of 
Openstreetmap messages ? Does anyone here have seen Maps.me 
Openstreetmap contributors answer to Openstreetmap messages ?


I opened a Maps.me wishlist issue requesting Maps.me to notify their 
contributing users of pending Openstreetmap mail - the way JOSM does it: 
https://github.com/mapsme/omim/issues/13951



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