Re: [OSM-ja] FW: [OSM-talk] www.openaddresses.org BETA launched
2010/4/2 Daniel Kastl dan...@georepublic.de Hi Emilie, I followed a discussion about postal code attribution on the talk list and it made me think about how to represent a Japanese address. At first, mapping in Japan is quite convenient for lazy people like me, who don't write down street names while collecting GPS data, because most roads don't have a name anyway. But then, if you are looking for an address with a geocoder for example, what do you search for? If you have street names already the only thing you might be missing is the house number. But at least you know where the street is located. Street addresses work very well with OSM, because it's all about the streets, right? Now there is this Japanese address data I was talking about, but it doesn't break down to the house level, so it's missing the house numbers. It gives a point as a geo reference, but actually it should be a block or area. Well, these blocks don't exist in OSM, because we're mostly mapping roads ;-) This article describes the problem well: http://sivers.org/jadr I think there are already a couple of features in OSM, that are available as a point object, but should be a polygon object. For example city points. OK, for rendering it's nice to have a point with a label, but that's not really GIS. Japanese addresses (especially district and block level) should be polygons in my opinion as well as administrative boundaries and postal code areas are. I agree. I will answer more tomorrow just came back from holiday. Emilie Laffray ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja
Re: [OSM-ja] FW: [OSM-talk] www.openaddresses.org BETA launched
2010/3/31 Daniel Kastl dan...@georepublic.de Hi list, I tried to add an address to openaddresses.org, but the format doesn't really fit with Japanese addresses. So I discussed this with Cedric Moulet on their mailing list. They said they want to keep it simple. I'm not so happy with their approach, because it only works well for street addresses. Otherwise there is some available data that could be a good start for Japan: http://nlftp.mlit.go.jp/isj/ Does anyone know if it is allowed to import the data? It could be also imported to OSM instead and then used by openaddresses that way (they use OSM address data as well). Daniel Hello, there is no currently good way of implementing Japanese addressing in OSM. I am quite keen on getting it implemented as I really like it. For my company, I have worked to create OSM files from the MLIT site. I need to import all administrative areas one of those days. I am would be honored and pleased if I could help the Japanese community on those topics. Thank you, Emilie Laffray ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja
Re: [OSM-talk] www.openaddresses.org BETA launched
Hey, Nice idea, I have been working on something similar, http://github.com/h4ck3rm1k3/OAD-Open-Address-Database But with the goal of geocoding table data into osm. mike 2010/3/30 Cédric MOULLET cedric.moul...@gmail.com: Dear OSM community, After www.openaddresses.ch and www.openaddresses.at, www.openaddresses.org has been launched to collect worldwide localized addresses. This initiative of several people, universities and companies of central Europe aims to provide a web portail for the management of free and open geolocated addresses. One goal of www.openaddresses.org is to collaborate nicely with www.openstreetmap.org by exchanging data and providing additional services (http://code.google.com/p/openaddresses/wiki/RESTService). However, since localized addresses are very specific, we consider that it is appropriate to have a dedicated platform only for addresses. From the original projects, the data collected base on Google map has simply be removed in order to avoid any license issues. Don't hesitate to add your own address, the address of your friends and of the friends of your friends ;-) If you'd like to be part of this effort, you can also provide address listing, orthophoto or whatever data that can be useful. We are also looking for persons willing to participate to the development, the translation, the system administration, the testing, the communication and so on ... You'll find more information in the following documents: Frequently asked questions User guide Wiki Discussion group Thanks for your interest. For OpenAddresses, Cédric Moullet ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] www.openaddresses.org BETA launched
Why not use OAuth to enter the data straight back into OSM? Shaun On 30 Mar 2010, at 05:05, Cédric MOULLET wrote: Dear OSM community, After www.openaddresses.ch and www.openaddresses.at, www.openaddresses.org has been launched to collect worldwide localized addresses. This initiative of several people, universities and companies of central Europe aims to provide a web portail for the management of free and open geolocated addresses. One goal of www.openaddresses.org is to collaborate nicely with www.openstreetmap.org by exchanging data and providing additional services (http://code.google.com/p/openaddresses/wiki/RESTService). However, since localized addresses are very specific, we consider that it is appropriate to have a dedicated platform only for addresses. From the original projects, the data collected base on Google map has simply be removed in order to avoid any license issues. Don't hesitate to add your own address, the address of your friends and of the friends of your friends ;-) If you'd like to be part of this effort, you can also provide address listing, orthophoto or whatever data that can be useful. We are also looking for persons willing to participate to the development, the translation, the system administration, the testing, the communication and so on ... You'll find more information in the following documents: Frequently asked questions User guide Wiki Discussion group Thanks for your interest. For OpenAddresses, Cédric Moullet ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] www.openaddresses.org BETA launched
2010/3/30 Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk: Why not use OAuth to enter the data straight back into OSM? Dunno about Cédric's project, but the basis of Mike's project was a repository of street addresses we don't have lat/lon for, but we have street addresses for things like POIs... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] www.openaddresses.org BETA launched
Hi, It's not Cédric's project, but the project of a community (composed of individuals, companies and universities) initiated in 2007 ;-) (see press release: http://code.google.com/p/openaddresses/wiki/Release_BETA_PressRelease#EN:_OpenAddresses_.org,_a_community_web_site_for_the_management). But, I still can answer. First of all, the goal is to synchronize data with OSM, so at the end, we should find the same data in OA and OSM, but, OA also aims to provide services (http://code.google.com/p/openaddresses/wiki/RESTService). OA has also a geocoder in its roadmap, so It would be fantastic to collaborate with Mike's project. Hope this gives some valuable information, Thanks for your interest, Cédric On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 9:35 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/3/30 Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk: Why not use OAuth to enter the data straight back into OSM? Dunno about Cédric's project, but the basis of Mike's project was a repository of street addresses we don't have lat/lon for, but we have street addresses for things like POIs... -- Welcome to my world: http://www.cedricmoullet.com/ My Linked In profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/cedricmoullet Twitter: http://twitter.com/cedricmoullet ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] www.openaddresses.org BETA launched
2010/3/30 Cédric MOULLET cedric.moul...@gmail.com: Don't hesitate to add your own address, the address of your friends and of the friends of your friends ;-) I'm sure that everyone on this list has already done this in OSM... I hope you'll be using that data, my fingers are sore from typing so many postcodes into OSM, FreeThePostCode and PostcodeDB! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] www.openaddresses.org BETA launched
Do all addresses added here are also added in OSM? How often is it updated? 2010/3/30 Cédric MOULLET cedric.moul...@gmail.com: Hi, It's not Cédric's project, but the project of a community (composed of individuals, companies and universities) initiated in 2007 ;-) (see press release: http://code.google.com/p/openaddresses/wiki/Release_BETA_PressRelease#EN:_OpenAddresses_.org,_a_community_web_site_for_the_management). But, I still can answer. First of all, the goal is to synchronize data with OSM, so at the end, we should find the same data in OA and OSM, but, OA also aims to provide services (http://code.google.com/p/openaddresses/wiki/RESTService). OA has also a geocoder in its roadmap, so It would be fantastic to collaborate with Mike's project. Hope this gives some valuable information, Thanks for your interest, Cédric On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 9:35 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/3/30 Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk: Why not use OAuth to enter the data straight back into OSM? Dunno about Cédric's project, but the basis of Mike's project was a repository of street addresses we don't have lat/lon for, but we have street addresses for things like POIs... -- Welcome to my world: http://www.cedricmoullet.com/ My Linked In profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/cedricmoullet Twitter: http://twitter.com/cedricmoullet ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] www.openaddresses.org BETA launched
I found this mentioned on legal, the data that is added to openaddresses is with a different license than osm, http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ I guess that they are dropping the sharealike clause on the data they import, this is questionable. If the data I contribute to osm is sharealike, how can they just drop the clause of that? mike On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 9:57 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Do all addresses added here are also added in OSM? How often is it updated? 2010/3/30 Cédric MOULLET cedric.moul...@gmail.com: Hi, It's not Cédric's project, but the project of a community (composed of individuals, companies and universities) initiated in 2007 ;-) (see press release: http://code.google.com/p/openaddresses/wiki/Release_BETA_PressRelease#EN:_OpenAddresses_.org,_a_community_web_site_for_the_management). But, I still can answer. First of all, the goal is to synchronize data with OSM, so at the end, we should find the same data in OA and OSM, but, OA also aims to provide services (http://code.google.com/p/openaddresses/wiki/RESTService). OA has also a geocoder in its roadmap, so It would be fantastic to collaborate with Mike's project. Hope this gives some valuable information, Thanks for your interest, Cédric On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 9:35 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/3/30 Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk: Why not use OAuth to enter the data straight back into OSM? Dunno about Cédric's project, but the basis of Mike's project was a repository of street addresses we don't have lat/lon for, but we have street addresses for things like POIs... -- Welcome to my world: http://www.cedricmoullet.com/ My Linked In profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/cedricmoullet Twitter: http://twitter.com/cedricmoullet ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] www.openaddresses.org BETA launched
Cédric MOULLET cedric.moullet at gmail.com writes: Dear OSM community, After www.openaddresses.ch and www.openaddresses.at, www.openaddresses.org has been launched to collect worldwide localized addresses. The Mapfish application is a pleasure to use and the threshold to start adding data is low because of fixed schema for attributes and because there is no registration needed. There are for sure people who will find something negative from each of these aspects. -Jukka Rahkonen- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] www.openaddresses.org BETA launched
2010/3/30 Cédric MOULLET cedric.moul...@gmail.com: Hi, It's not Cédric's project, but the project of a community (composed of individuals, companies and universities) initiated in 2007 ;-) (see press release: http://code.google.com/p/openaddresses/wiki/Release_BETA_PressRelease#EN:_OpenAddresses_.org,_a_community_web_site_for_the_management). But, I still can answer. Dear Cédric, OpenAdresses is an interesting idea as a simpler interface for address data. The intent to synchronize the data with OSM makes sense. The current situation with OSM data cc-by-sa and OpenAddresses data cc-by seems broken. Shouldn't the licenses be synchronized so that the data can be synchronized? OpenAddresses is failing the share-alike obligation. Do you understand that some will see that as a serious problem. This issue will persist when OSM upgrades to the ODbL license. Can you bring this problem to the attention of the OpenAddresses community and resolve it? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] www.openaddresses.org BETA launched
On 30 March 2010 16:13, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: 2010/3/30 Cédric MOULLET cedric.moul...@gmail.com: Hi, It's not Cédric's project, but the project of a community (composed of individuals, companies and universities) initiated in 2007 ;-) (see press release: http://code.google.com/p/openaddresses/wiki/Release_BETA_PressRelease#EN:_OpenAddresses_.org,_a_community_web_site_for_the_management ). But, I still can answer. Dear Cédric, OpenAdresses is an interesting idea as a simpler interface for address data. The intent to synchronize the data with OSM makes sense. The current situation with OSM data cc-by-sa and OpenAddresses data cc-by seems broken. Shouldn't the licenses be synchronized so that the data can be synchronized? OpenAddresses is failing the share-alike obligation. Do you understand that some will see that as a serious problem. This issue will persist when OSM upgrades to the ODbL license. Can you bring this problem to the attention of the OpenAddresses community and resolve it? Hello, Cedric has replied on the French mailing list. He is aware of the licence issue and he is going to be changing the licence to be compatible with OSM. I am sure it will happen very soon as he is very responsive. Emilie Laffray ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] www.openaddresses.org BETA launched
Yes, we have adapted that. Cédric On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.comwrote: On 30 March 2010 16:13, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: 2010/3/30 Cédric MOULLET cedric.moul...@gmail.com: Hi, It's not Cédric's project, but the project of a community (composed of individuals, companies and universities) initiated in 2007 ;-) (see press release: http://code.google.com/p/openaddresses/wiki/Release_BETA_PressRelease#EN:_OpenAddresses_.org,_a_community_web_site_for_the_management ). But, I still can answer. Dear Cédric, OpenAdresses is an interesting idea as a simpler interface for address data. The intent to synchronize the data with OSM makes sense. The current situation with OSM data cc-by-sa and OpenAddresses data cc-by seems broken. Shouldn't the licenses be synchronized so that the data can be synchronized? OpenAddresses is failing the share-alike obligation. Do you understand that some will see that as a serious problem. This issue will persist when OSM upgrades to the ODbL license. Can you bring this problem to the attention of the OpenAddresses community and resolve it? Hello, Cedric has replied on the French mailing list. He is aware of the licence issue and he is going to be changing the licence to be compatible with OSM. I am sure it will happen very soon as he is very responsive. Emilie Laffray ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Welcome to my world: http://www.cedricmoullet.com/ My Linked In profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/cedricmoullet Twitter: http://twitter.com/cedricmoullet ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-ja] FW: [OSM-talk] www.openaddresses.org BETA launched
三浦です。 今度は、オープンアドレスいうのが、始まりました Hiroshi, Sent from my Nokia mobile phone -Original Message- From: Cédric MOULLET Sent: 30/03/2010 1:05:32 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] www.openaddresses.org BETA launched Dear OSM community, After www.openaddresses.ch and www.openaddresses.at, www.openaddresses.org has been launched to collect worldwide localized addresses. This initiative of several people, universities and companies of central Europe aims to provide a web portail for the management of free and open geolocated addresses. One goal of www.openaddresses.org is to collaborate nicely with www.openstreetmap.org by exchanging data and providing additional services ( http://code.google.com/p/openaddresses/wiki/RESTService). However, since localized addresses are very specific, we consider that it is appropriate to have a dedicated platform only for addresses. From the original projects, the data collected base on Google map has simply be removed in order to avoid any license issues. Don't hesitate to add your own address, the address of your friends and of the friends of your friends ;-) If you'd like to be part of this effort, you can also provide address listing, orthophoto or whatever data that can be useful. We are also looking for persons willing to participate to the development, the translation, the system administration, the testing, the communication and so on ... You'll find more information in the following documents: - Frequently asked questionshttp://code.google.com/p/openaddresses/wiki/FAQ - User guide http://code.google.com/p/openaddresses/wiki/UserGuideEn - Wiki http://code.google.com/p/openaddresses/ - Discussion group http://groups.google.com/group/OpenAddresses Thanks for your interest. For OpenAddresses, Cédric Moullet -- Ovi Mail: Making email access easy http://mail.ovi.com ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja
Re: [OSM-ja] FW: [OSM-talk] www.openaddresses.org BETA launched
Hi list, I tried to add an address to openaddresses.org, but the format doesn't really fit with Japanese addresses. So I discussed this with Cedric Moulet on their mailing list. They said they want to keep it simple. I'm not so happy with their approach, because it only works well for street addresses. Otherwise there is some available data that could be a good start for Japan: http://nlftp.mlit.go.jp/isj/ Does anyone know if it is allowed to import the data? It could be also imported to OSM instead and then used by openaddresses that way (they use OSM address data as well). Daniel 2010/3/31 Hiroshi Miura miur...@ovi.com 三浦です。 今度は、オープンアドレスいうのが、始まりました Hiroshi, Sent from my Nokia mobile phone -Original Message- From: Cédric MOULLET Sent: 30/03/2010 1:05:32 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] www.openaddresses.org BETA launched Dear OSM community, After www.openaddresses.ch and www.openaddresses.at, www.openaddresses.orghas been launched to collect worldwide localized addresses. This initiative of several people, universities and companies of central Europe aims to provide a web portail for the management of free and open geolocated addresses. One goal of www.openaddresses.org is to collaborate nicely with www.openstreetmap.org by exchanging data and providing additional services ( http://code.google.com/p/openaddresses/wiki/RESTService). However, since localized addresses are very specific, we consider that it is appropriate to have a dedicated platform only for addresses. From the original projects, the data collected base on Google map has simply be removed in order to avoid any license issues. Don't hesitate to add your own address, the address of your friends and of the friends of your friends ;-) If you'd like to be part of this effort, you can also provide address listing, orthophoto or whatever data that can be useful. We are also looking for persons willing to participate to the development, the translation, the system administration, the testing, the communication and so on ... You'll find more information in the following documents: - Frequently asked questionshttp://code.google.com/p/openaddresses/wiki/FAQ - User guide http://code.google.com/p/openaddresses/wiki/UserGuideEn - Wiki http://code.google.com/p/openaddresses/ - Discussion group http://groups.google.com/group/OpenAddresses Thanks for your interest. For OpenAddresses, Cédric Moullet -- Ovi Mail: Making email access easy http://mail.ovi.com ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja -- Georepublic UG (haftungsbeschränkt) Salzmannstraße 44, 81739 München, Germany eMail: daniel.ka...@georepublic.de Web: http://georepublic.de Tel: +49 (089) 4161 7698-1 Fax: +49 (089) 4161 7698-9 Commercial register: Amtsgericht München, HRB 181428 CEO: Daniel Kastl ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja
