Re: [OSM-talk] I've removed historic=icon from map features
I have now created two proposals: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/wayside_shrine http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/wayside_cross Regards, Marc pgpsOSfzzrypD.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] I've removed historic=icon from map features
Marc Schütz schrieb: I have now created two proposals: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/wayside_shrine http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/wayside_cross Hi Marc! First of all, I'm not against putting these things into OSM as they often can be used as a good landmark in rural areas. Actually I'm a bit unsure about these two proposals because: - maybe they are too detailed - so we will end up with a lot of very detailed but highly related tags (which are then hard to learn) - maybe put both proposals under religion? Won't these often still be used for local pilgrimage so their not so historic? Or course this is a border case, as most of these are often rather old. - there's already historic=memorial http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tag:historic%3Dmemorial which interferes with your proposals I think. Maybe simply use it and extend it, add a subtag for these special memorials? AFAIK, often these wayside things were raised to thank god and virgin Mary that I've survived this thunderstorm in 1857 or such - so in fact they are a sort of memorial anyway ;-) However, as these are often weathered, today it might be hard to find out what actually is being memorized upon. Again, I'm just unsure how to find a good tagging solution for this, but I'm not convinced of the current proposals ... Regards, ULFL P.S: While I tend to put comments into the proposal page, I didn't want to have two discussions about the same thing - so I'll use the ML for this one. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] I've removed historic=icon from map features
On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 07:58:20PM +1300, Robin Paulson wrote: i'll second that, but unless bildstock is an english word, we shouldn't use it - current protocol is british english words only. Marc, does this have a direct english equivalent? is icon correct, or does that relate to something subtlety different? Possibly Shrine unless I've missed some subtlety of what Bildstock is. s ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] I've removed historic=icon from map features
Thanks for all the comments! To clarify: the objects in question are usually made of stone, between 1 and 2 meters high, and show scenes from the bible or from the life of saints and martyrs. They are frequently found in southern Germany and the alps. Some of them have been built as votive offerings, others are found alongside procession and pilgrim routes. As this seems not to be found in English-speaking countries, there probably isn't a widely used English term for it. dict.cc translates it as wayside shrine (http://www.dict.cc/deutsch-englisch/Bildstock.html). As to the crosses Rob mentioned, they are found in my area too. They can probably called wayside cross in analogy. So, unless someone comes up with better names, I will start a feature proposal in the wiki for: historic=wayside_shrine historic=wayside_cross Removing historic=icon was probably a good idea anyway, as it is still unclear what it meant. Querying the XAPI http://osmxapi.hypercube.telascience.org/api/0.5/node%5bhistoric=icon%5d shows that it is in use for a wide variety of things (judging by the names): - border stones - a clock tower - various memorials - Gravhøj (probably meaning a prehistoric grave hill) - at least one Bildstock Regards, Marc pgpvOAptKSBKV.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] I've removed historic=icon from map features
On 13/01/2008, Tony Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robin Paulson wrote: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bildstock of course, i remember seeing these in austria now. yes, they are quite prominent aren't they and maybe map-worthy after all - would you be willing to put a proposal up on the wiki? unfortunately, i can't speak german or i'd do it Why does it need a proposal? It was already on Map Features until a unilateral decision to remove it. Now that it's been explained what it is, why not just put it back and document it? well, trilateral. but still your point stands, it was rather naughty of us, circumventing the process like that. yes, it can be put back up, i was hoping Marc could add some detail first, maybe for other tags we could include? date, name, that sort of thing, other stuff that's important? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] I've removed historic=icon from map features
Robin Paulson wrote: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bildstock of course, i remember seeing these in austria now. yes, they are quite prominent aren't they and maybe map-worthy after all - would you be willing to put a proposal up on the wiki? unfortunately, i can't speak german or i'd do it Why does it need a proposal? It was already on Map Features until a unilateral decision to remove it. Now that it's been explained what it is, why not just put it back and document it? Tony ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
