Re: [OSM-talk] mapboox improve the (proprietary database used as en overlay) map

2023-04-12 Thread Marc_marc

[1] is the community buy-in for "Organised Editing" in France,
it'sn't really about this thread

[2] is the thread about the issue "improve the now-proprietary database"
but as you can see, not any mapbox reply anymore

Le 12.04.23 à 17:29, Rafael Avila Coya a écrit :
I would say the discussion is this thread [1] and, specially, this other 
one [2].


Cheers,

Rafael.

[1] 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-fr/2023-March/106121.html


[2] 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-fr/2023-March/106123.html


On 12/04/23 17:02, Simon Poole wrote:

Am 12.04.2023 um 16:20 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via talk:
From legal point of view it depends on specifics, but yes it can be 
legal to

render using odbl+proprietary data.

See 
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Community_Guidelines/Horizontal_Map_Layers_-_Guideline


It should be noted that this guideline follows from the concept of 
Collective Databases in the ODbL and in general of the idea of works 
that can have multiple independent constituent parts. If what Mapbox 
is doing is consistent with the licence naturally depends on the 
specifics as Mateusz write, Marc, do you have a link to the discussion 
in question?


Simon



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Apr 7, 2023, 14:21 by marc_m...@mailo.com:

    Hello,

    following a discussion on the mailing list talk-fr,
    mapbox "improve the map" now feeds their proprietary database,
    the one that is displayed on top of the osm

    is it acceptable in terms of licensing to render using
    odbl+proprietary data?

    ethically it's obviously very bad to appropriate user contributions
    in this way, does anyone have a contact at their end to try and get
    them to return to more ethical behaviour?
    on talk-fr, no one from mapbox has replied since this behaviour
    was pointed out

    Regards,
    Marc



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Re: [OSM-talk] mapboox improve the (proprietary database used as en overlay) map

2023-04-12 Thread Rafael Avila Coya
I would say the discussion is this thread [1] and, specially, this other 
one [2].


Cheers,

Rafael.

[1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-fr/2023-March/106121.html

[2] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-fr/2023-March/106123.html

On 12/04/23 17:02, Simon Poole wrote:

Am 12.04.2023 um 16:20 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via talk:
From legal point of view it depends on specifics, but yes it can be 
legal to

render using odbl+proprietary data.

See 
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Community_Guidelines/Horizontal_Map_Layers_-_Guideline


It should be noted that this guideline follows from the concept of 
Collective Databases in the ODbL and in general of the idea of works 
that can have multiple independent constituent parts. If what Mapbox is 
doing is consistent with the licence naturally depends on the specifics 
as Mateusz write, Marc, do you have a link to the discussion in question?


Simon



Warning: I am not a lawyer.


Apr 7, 2023, 14:21 by marc_m...@mailo.com:

Hello,

following a discussion on the mailing list talk-fr,
mapbox "improve the map" now feeds their proprietary database,
the one that is displayed on top of the osm

is it acceptable in terms of licensing to render using
odbl+proprietary data?

ethically it's obviously very bad to appropriate user contributions
in this way, does anyone have a contact at their end to try and get
them to return to more ethical behaviour?
on talk-fr, no one from mapbox has replied since this behaviour
was pointed out

Regards,
Marc



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Re: [OSM-talk] mapboox improve the (proprietary database used as en overlay) map

2023-04-12 Thread Simon Poole

Am 12.04.2023 um 16:20 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via talk:
From legal point of view it depends on specifics, but yes it can be 
legal to

render using odbl+proprietary data.

See 
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Community_Guidelines/Horizontal_Map_Layers_-_Guideline


It should be noted that this guideline follows from the concept of 
Collective Databases in the ODbL and in general of the idea of works 
that can have multiple independent constituent parts. If what Mapbox is 
doing is consistent with the licence naturally depends on the specifics 
as Mateusz write, Marc, do you have a link to the discussion in question?


Simon



Warning: I am not a lawyer.


Apr 7, 2023, 14:21 by marc_m...@mailo.com:

Hello,

following a discussion on the mailing list talk-fr,
mapbox "improve the map" now feeds their proprietary database,
the one that is displayed on top of the osm

is it acceptable in terms of licensing to render using
odbl+proprietary data?

ethically it's obviously very bad to appropriate user contributions
in this way, does anyone have a contact at their end to try and get
them to return to more ethical behaviour?
on talk-fr, no one from mapbox has replied since this behaviour
was pointed out

Regards,
Marc



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Re: [OSM-talk] mapboox improve the (proprietary database used as en overlay) map

2023-04-12 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via talk
>From legal point of view it depends on specifics, but yes it can be legal to
render using odbl+proprietary data.

See 
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Community_Guidelines/Horizontal_Map_Layers_-_Guideline
Warning: I am not a lawyer.


Apr 7, 2023, 14:21 by marc_m...@mailo.com:

> Hello,
>
> following a discussion on the mailing list talk-fr,
> mapbox "improve the map" now feeds their proprietary database,
> the one that is displayed on top of the osm
>
> is it acceptable in terms of licensing to render using odbl+proprietary data?
>
> ethically it's obviously very bad to appropriate user contributions
> in this way, does anyone have a contact at their end to try and get
> them to return to more ethical behaviour?
> on talk-fr, no one from mapbox has replied since this behaviour
> was pointed out
>
> Regards,
> Marc
>
>
>
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