Re: [OSM-talk] open space land

2008-11-20 Thread David Carmean

Open Space implies much less development than a park, usually.  It's usually 
rendered on maps as a lighter color than parks.  I've found some legal 
definitions 
here:

   http://www.sonomatrails.org/docs/cagenpln.htm

The next levels of protected land in the U.S. are Wilderness and Federal 
Wilderness.

US Federal Wilderness, for example, is designated by Congress, and is not 
permitted 
to have permanent roads, vehicular traffic, etc.

  http://wilderness.nps.gov/faqnew.cfm

I think that map users here generally expect that Open Space and Wilderness 
areas 
will be rendered differently than the more-developed parks. I would advocate 
the use 
of a couple of new landuse values, 'open_space' and 'wilderness'.  I don't 
know 
how this scales when you start considering these kinds of legal and cultural 
designations across the entire globe.



On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 12:26:05AM -0800, Nathan Mixter wrote:
 
 Thanks for the response. The area in question is land that usually is near a 
 county or state park in the U.S. Usually the area will be about the size of a 
 regular park or a little larger. Sometimes the borders of the land could be 
 touching the park borders. This land is general purpose land, i.e. hiking, 
 biking, horse riding etc. The area doesn't include dense trees, so there is 
 no logging or anything. It's pretty much set aside for its natural beauty. 
 The specific land I was looking at was in California listed under 
 openspaceauthority.org. Thanks.
 
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 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] open space land
 
 
 
 May I ask which country that's in? For example in the US (where I am) there 
 are several different types of open space land. National Forests, National 
 Parks, State Parks, State Forests to name a few. All of those have different 
 regulations when it comes to land use (whether you can cut wood, etc.) for 
 example. leisure = park may not automatically apply to all of them.
 
 
 
 Now this is in the US. I know that Germany has, for example, state and 
 national forests which are typically much more groomed than US national 
 forests. Back when I lived in one of them (I'm not even kidding) at the end 
 of the 90s, they appeared to be more like really large parks than forests, at 
 least to my North American eye. I would personally see it fit to tag those as 
 leisure = park, but don't take this for advice as I don't map stuff in 
 Germany and german mappers would obviously know better.
 
 
 
 So before giving more precise opinions, I would say we would have to know 
 which jurisdiction you are in, what those open space land actually look like 
 and how they're actually used.
 
 
 
 My two cents.
 
 
 
 Charles
 
 
 
  Original message 
 
 
 
The government sets aside land for open space land.
 
These usually have specific and boundaries. Are they
 
worth adding? Should they be treated as leisure=park
 
in OSM?
 
 
 
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Re: [OSM-talk] open space land

2008-11-19 Thread Nathan Mixter

Thanks for the response. The area in question is land that usually is near a 
county or state park in the U.S. Usually the area will be about the size of a 
regular park or a little larger. Sometimes the borders of the land could be 
touching the park borders. This land is general purpose land, i.e. hiking, 
biking, horse riding etc. The area doesn't include dense trees, so there is no 
logging or anything. It's pretty much set aside for its natural beauty. The 
specific land I was looking at was in California listed under 
openspaceauthority.org. Thanks.

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Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] open space land



May I ask which country that's in? For example in the US (where I am) there are 
several different types of open space land. National Forests, National Parks, 
State Parks, State Forests to name a few. All of those have different 
regulations when it comes to land use (whether you can cut wood, etc.) for 
example. leisure = park may not automatically apply to all of them.



Now this is in the US. I know that Germany has, for example, state and national 
forests which are typically much more groomed than US national forests. Back 
when I lived in one of them (I'm not even kidding) at the end of the 90s, they 
appeared to be more like really large parks than forests, at least to my North 
American eye. I would personally see it fit to tag those as leisure = park, but 
don't take this for advice as I don't map stuff in Germany and german mappers 
would obviously know better.



So before giving more precise opinions, I would say we would have to know which 
jurisdiction you are in, what those open space land actually look like and how 
they're actually used.



My two cents.



Charles



 Original message 



   The government sets aside land for open space land.

   These usually have specific and boundaries. Are they

   worth adding? Should they be treated as leisure=park

   in OSM?



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